Mooji ॐ Invitation at London East

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At London, july 2018
A shortened version of the invitation from the satsang with Mooji and to help to digest this pointings the song "Beloved One" played to close the satsang

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@Ludifant 5 жыл бұрын

´Could this isness be captured in some way?´ And everybody answers ¨No¨. Automatically it seems. This is amazing.. That is a very profound question. How could we even presume to know the answer with our limited apparatus? It seems, when we focus on our inner most functioning, this functioning cannot be captured, just like it seems our inner most functioning must be infinite, because the attention can travel here and there in this vast empty space, but everywhere is allready formed, allready has space. It MUST be formed, because our awarenss necessarily encompasses all we can perceive. There cannot be any real surprises, or they just wouldn´t register. Mooji uses very imprecise words, which seem to work for the majority of people, but if you are like me, you will return to it again and again and think about, what this experience means and the danger is, it will nag you so much, you will dismiss it. Like I did a couple of times. Because of the apparent simpleness of the communication, the apparant lack of nuance and self-critique and rumours about what goes on in satsangs. It all seems to good to be true. It does lead to feeling great, I must admit, but so does hypnosis or drugs. And my mind cannot cope with it and that does not fly. If we can experience it, we are able to think about it. Some meaning must be given to it, before I can accept it as a truth, because else, it´s just magical thinking. But that´s hard, because having the experience means that thinking is temporarily not an option. Hard, but not impossible. There is a lot of research and scientific thinking out there lately about consciousness. PCI can now be measured, which is considered a proof of IIT, Integrated Information Theory, which is quite a good model of what consciousness is as a phenomenon. This theory tells us something about what awareness and consciousness could be, basically the feeling (or self-registration) that somewhere information is being processed. (Interconnectedness of information) Kind of like the sense called prioperception that tells you where your arms are and if your muscles are tensed, even when you don´t look at your arms and aren´t touching anything. The information about information activity. Which as a computer-nerd, I´d say is meta-computation. The sense that the model that we have of the universe, which includes ourselves and our place in it, is there AND being adapted ever so slightly, millions of times a second by autonomous processes, even if at that time we choose not to engage with that model consciously. This is what we perceive and all we can perceive, but not the perceived. Therefore it must be, what awareness most fundamentally is. Some people are disappointed, that there isn´t a magical bit to it, like a soul. But in a way there is. It´s just a soul described as a scientific phenomenon. Like a wave on water. We can describe the water, it´s molecules, model it´s behaviour with fluid dynamics, but if we measure the wave itself, we use different strategies, we talk about the wave-length, the amplitude, the speed at which the wavefront travels, dampening etc. Describing and measuring a wave like that doesn´t take away from the wave. So don´t be dissapointed, this is a very profound discovery. Even though PCI can be measured and can demonstrably indicate consciousness and distinguish between dreaming and unconsciousness or a locked-in patient, which is very usefull, Φ or awareness cannot yet be measured, but we are close.. It must be the sum of all the parts of conciousness, that have an emergent behaviour, of being aware of it´s own activity. In Mooji´s words, it is not the second bird, which whatches the activity, but it is the tree branch, which feels the weight of the second bird. Thinking about myself at this level, this puts me on a vastly different scale mentally, it also completely destroys ego. The realisation that the thing that you call you is nothing but emergent behaviour, really invites you to sit back and look at yourself with an attitude of detachement, thinking: ¨I wonder what this ego is going to do next?¨ The only appropriate reaction seems to be a gentle curiosity about what is happening right now, without worrying about what´s next or what it all means. This mental shift means, you can do this, whilst being you. Just letting being you happen, without judgement. Awareness functions at the most fundamentally small and most fundamentally large scales at the same time. Integrates those scales. Focussing on this can make us aware of vast processes like the eternal decay of order in the universe (entropy increasing) and the eternal struggle of all life to exploit and consolidate whatever order exists to create patterns, so complex, they include models (plural) of itself as well as the fact that I need to go to the bathroom, or feel a little angry or sad, which is not important, it´s just there.. And I don´t need to act on it automatically. I can watch the tendency to act and decide. This is what I think awareness is, an emergent pattern of life, very complex patterns at every scale, changing constantly to describe themselves. This means awareness is not limited to humans. If this is true, computers will be able to become aware. But so will any sufficiently complex system. But before we go screaming to the hills, we are nowhere near awareness in computers. Neural nets and biological neural nets are vastly different, so much so, we cannot even begin to compare them in terms of size. But it seems safe to say the level of interconnectedness in the human brain is several (hundreds? of) orders of magnitude greater than the most complex neural net we have created today.. It just points to the possibilty, that we only need to make them faster and more complex, to get the emergent behaviour known as self-awareness. The fact remains, that thinking about the self at this scale is peaceful for me as long as I can believe it. And it is really hard for me to believe something without evidence. But it´s self evident: there cannot be judgement or comparison without thinking, there cannot be a problem, without thinking. So temporarily all problems are solved, which is a welcome break and can even function as a reminder, that all problems are only perceived problems. This is worth something and the fact that most people fear going there, because they fear there will be nothing left, just goes to show how wrong we have been thinking about consciousness and awareness all the time and how badly we focus on thinking ALL THE TIME in our society. It is very comforting to understand, that even when you do not think, even when you do not judge, the awareness keeps going, seems to get stronger even, because the noise dies away. And this is a way more complex process than any mere thinking you could do. And some people, like me, have gone so far in only trusting thinking, they need some science to really accept this fact and trust in it. I do not want to need to believe in some magical soul, made by some magical power. It´s just octaves of information. It´s natural, no magical thinking required. All this means, is that I´m an atheist. Which is a standpoint of fear. I´ve seen magical thinking being used as justification for terrible behaviour too much, to allow myself to go that way. If you can accept a concept of ultimate one-ness or a God or some kind of will or meaning to the universe, without proof, walking the Dharma path, like Mooji calls it: More power to you and I´m more than a bit jealous, although I understand it has it´s own challenges. But I, personally, am way to wary of the traps of magical thinking, I get scared when people abandon logic, it feels threatening, so much, that I fell into the trap of deterministic thinking, which is basically thinking that science must be able to explain everything sooner or later.. This keeps distracting me.. But even I can get there, given enough time and quiet cogitation. So please don´t hate,dislike or distrust people for not being able to grasp, what you can grasp without proof. I think we are ultimately all talking about the same thing: bathing and cleansing ourselves, caring about mental and emotional hygiene by focussing on pure consciousness, giving ourself a way to be which isn´t egoic or personal.. And joining these two types of thinking is what wholism should be all about. It´s not the whole if you dismiss people who disagree. That´s wrong from whatever side you are coming. So if this is too wordy for you, I get it and thank you for taking the time to read this far.

@CallmeSJK 4 жыл бұрын

Making Games ...who is saying all this? Right from beginning you are saying limited apparatus? Who is saying this? The limited apparatus itself? If it is limited, does your pointings matter at all? On the contrary, if it is the unlimited consciousness which knows the limited apparatus, then maybe your analysis makes sense...Is nt it?