Rings of Power SEASON 2 will be a DISASTER!

[@01Seraph]

Lets not forget: she searches sauron all over the world for hundreds of years but never once for her Husband?!

[@Prototype-357]

Hey revenge is more important than love... Makes me wonder why she got married in the first place.

[@ethanhandel1001]

This was something I never understood since it would have been so easy to have her missing husband be part of her motivation for finding Sauron, along with her brother's death. Literally add one sentence in the intro monologue.

[@rcrawford42]

They absolutely could not reference Celeborn except in passing mention that he had been written out because she's a strong independent wahmin who don't need no man.

[@ministryofwrongthink6962]

It doesn’t matter what they do, they can’t “fix” season 1 - not because of the writing, but because they don’t deserve to succeed. they tried to gaslight everyone and defame fans, literally calling us “patently Evil” racisssit. They can’t just come back from that. They deserve this.

[@winterwolfsden]

Exactly this.

[@TaoScribble]

Yeah, Hollywood DESPERATELY needs to give its people public relations training, and to reel in/reprimand the people making those comments.

[@TheOriginalCFA1979]

They don’t deserve this. They’re pedophile child pornographers. They put a 10 year old girl in a transparent dress in the first 10 minutes of the first episode. They don’t deserve *this*. They deserve a prison sentence and sex offender registry.

[@Macheako]

This is the definition of a “Toxic Relationship” 🤢🦠🦠☢️ Daddy hits mommy Daddy says sorry Daddy won’t hurt mommy again 🍭🌈👫

[@zirkalda9502]

To answer about the Three Rings and their Bearers… Originally all three are in Celebrimbor’s possession. When Sauron marches on Eregion, he sends them away to the people he can trust most. (Celebrimbor is killed by Sauron under torture and his body is mounted on several pikes to be used as a banner.) One goes to Galadriel, and two go to Gil-Galad. Both keep the three secret and do not wield them while Sauron wears the One. Gil-Galad, before his battle with Sauron during the Last Alliance, bequeathed his rings to his advisors, Elrond and Cirdan. (Gil-Galad gets burnt to death by Sauron’s hand.) Cirdan will hold onto his until Gandalf arrives in Middle Earth by boat, and Gandalf carries it until the Three Rings go into the West at the end of the Third Age.

[@Man_Emperor_of_Mankind]

Cirdan is one of the original elves predating the crossing of the sea into the west, at the start of the elven race. He lead one of the original tribes of the elves, established the Grey Havens, raised Gil-Galid, and welcomed Gandalf into Middle Earth upon his canon arrival on a ship from Valinor and upon recognizing Gandalfs true nature and intent gifted him with one of the 3 elven rings. He also was one of the very last to leave for Valinor at the end of the 3rd age, accompanying Frodo, Bilbo, and the other remaining ring bearers on the last ship to leave Middle Earth for the Undying Lands He is a MASSIVE deal in Tolkien canon, though not directly addressed much in Tolkien's writings.

[@abyssprimus]

Was he Thingol's cousin? Or am I misremembering it?

[@Man_Emperor_of_Mankind]

@Abyss That appears correct My original post should say that Cirdan predates the Elves originally going to Valinor, looking up his relation to Thingol I found that he is not credited as being one of the original "awoken" elves, but appears to be the son of two of the original elves awoken by Eru

[@abyssprimus]

@@Man_Emperor_of_Mankind Being born in Cuivinen is insane enough we don't know anything about the original elves anyway Perhaps Melkor yeeted them into Utumno or something

[@Man_Emperor_of_Mankind]

@@abyssprimus Definitely, he is ANCIENT. It would have been cool to have had even some short stories about him. Elrond is credited as one of the most knowledgeable lore masters, but he was still relatively young compared to Cirdan.

[@abyssprimus]

@@Man_Emperor_of_Mankind He has a long beard you don't get older than that I think several thousand years

[@josephjackson4312]

I am fully expecting Celeborn to be a damsel in distress, needing to be rescued by the strong brave warrior Guyladriel.

[@ComradeCommissarYuri]

I wouldn’t be surprised if he faked his death an joined the orcs due to how Galadriel treated him 😂

[@josephjackson4312]

@@ComradeCommissarYuri Kinda similar, ive heard some people talking of the possibility that they might have a reveal of Adar actually being Celeborn corrupted into being unrecognizable.

[@ComradeCommissarYuri]

@@josephjackson4312 the show runners aren’t that smart

[@kamion53]

@@ComradeCommissarYuri I think he sought asylum in the Halls of Mandos as a refuge from tyranny.

[@kamion53]

@@josephjackson4312 too young: Adar ( following the serie lore) claims he was the first elf to be corrupted into an orc. Silmarilion states that already happened as soon as the Elves awoke at the shores of the Lake of Awakening. That is before the Ambassedors went to Valinor and the Elves started traveling to Valinor. Celeborn was either born in Valinor or in Doriath at the court of king Thingol.

[@catfinity8799]

Sauron was not always evil. At heart, he is a craftsman. He wanted to perfect the world, forge it to be perfect, but perfection required control, and control required dominion. The means for his goal most lined up with Morgoth, who wanted complete annihilation. It was in this way that Sauron became evil.

[@AnnaMarianne]

Perfectly summed up and explained. His canon character is so much better - more interesting and more relevant - than the incel they turned him into. I wondered about it, why they did that to him; gave him an inferior characterization. But perhaps it's because they don't really see it as an evil goal to want to usurp for yourself the absolute power over the whole world in order to remake it after your ideal image of what it *should* be like. After all, that is more or less what their own ideology wants to do. So perhaps they felt that Sauron's evil must be in something else than simply the wish for (unauthorized and illegitimate) control. Nah, who am I kidding. They just want to insert white cishet MAGA incels into everything. (Oh my Eru, Sauron wants to make Middle-earth great again!) By the way, I wouldn't say that Morgoth knowingly wanted complete annihilation. He too wanted absolute control, so that nothing would ever happen without him not only allowing but also initiating it - he wanted there to be no other will but his own will. But I recall Tolkien wrote that this was a hopeless desire, one that stemmed from his pathological narcissism - a case of narcissism so severe, that he just couldn't stand that there even existed anything other than himself and what he had made. So, if I remember it right, Tolkien wrote that had Morgoth managed to take over the universe, in his narcissism he would have in the end just simply destroyed the whole universe, reducing it into atoms. And even then he would have been denied his lunatic wish, because he would not have been able to make the very matter itself vanish from existence. He could have reduced it into bits, but it would still have been there, endlessly driving him crazy.

[@taddad2641]

honeslty that would explain why he would even be making plans while his master was still around too. he needed morgoth to redner middle earth into raw materail so he could regbuild it in his own image.

[@Alex_Fahey]

Morgoth did not want complete annihilation. His goal was similar to that of Sauron's but more prideful. He wished the recognition deserving of the greatest of the Ainur and the ability to create the great things that only his father could create - sentient beings like his fellow Ainur or the children of Eru Iluvatar. When Eru rejected Melkor for his aggressive and prideful nature and put him back in his place, Melkor rebelled and sought to rule Arda. He would rule out of jealousy if he could not create his own. Morgoth is not some abyssal creation of Lovecraft seeking destruction for destruction's sake. He is the devil incarnate, if by different sins. A would be rival to the ultimate power seeking domination of that power's creations - not destruction of them.

[@kamion53]

Morgoth wanted to corrupt what Iluvatar had created and rule by corruption and is this way become the equal of Iluvatar. Sauron was already in Morgoth's pocket before Morgoth destroyed the Two Trees. Reason: AMBITION! Aulë would not give him the skills and powers he wanted quick enough and Melkor was a better bet. Ambition to rise above your given status was a Cardinal Sin in the eyes of old fashion Catholic JRR Tolkien. In this way Aragorn is the ultimate hero, he never had the ambition to become the Returned King, but accepted the burden fate had in stock for him.

[@catfinity8799]

@@Alex_Fahey He did not always want annihilation, but had he been successful, that would've been the end.

[@ornu01]

Sauron is an easy character to explain. He is a smith, a master craftsman bar two, and all you have to do is show him worrying over his craft, everything he makes is just slightly off, beautiful beyond words but flawed. When he tries to fix it, he fails, when he tries harder his master Aule stops him. He keeps trying with what he can do, fails, over and over, until Melkor comes to him. With a single word, the flawed piece is made perfect, and Sauron is damned.

[@walkir2662]

...I wonder how much being a father of five prepared Shad for being this bunch's boss.

[@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115]

Add his years as Dungeon Master.

[@tylerskiss]

It certainly hasn’t taught him manners.

[@cmanningdeal6228]

I'm betting a ton..

[@Chesemiser]

I think that just dealing with Oz would help a ton

[@Luna303]

@@tylerskiss He has manners.

[@jacksonperez5615]

Having the whole crew is awesome

[@MatthewLoom]

*sad Oz noises*

[@whyukraine]

Except for the smell.

[@marcoalimandi6013]

That's not Galadriel, that's Failadriel...

[@marcoalimandi6013]

@@agingerbeard 😁

[@JeffSneedstein]

Failadriel the buttless

[@ChallengeIdeas]

No no no, you're confused. It's pronounced "Mahgurl'gladrayell."

[@marcoalimandi6013]

@@ChallengeIdeas was?! 😅

[@ChallengeIdeas]

@@marcoalimandi6013 Didn't you hear them in all the lead-up promotional interviews? Everyone involved called her "Mah GURL Gladrayell!"

[@luthasunspell8365]

14:58 “And the show was run by one called Payne, the name of which had (by design or chance) a twofold meaning; for in the Middle English speech payne signifies *heathen*, but in the language of the Modern Man, the suffering of one dying in agony as a beloved story was ruined.” - The Two Showrunners, by J. J. Abrams

[@ryanwood6754]

Or max Payne one of the greatest gsme characters of all time

[@Prototype-357]

Now that's poetry! Tolkien would be so proud

[@dragon_slayer2026]

In the LotR lore, the making of the Rings of Power was a long, complex process involving complex enchantments. There are a LOT of lesser rings out there that the elves made for practice before starting on the real Rings of Power (in fact, Gandalf long thought the ring Bilbo found in the depths of the goblin caves was one of these lesser rings). Then Sauron was directly involved in the process of creating the rings for the man and the dwarves. It was only after that when Galadriel and the others figured out Annatar was Sauron. Sauron's ability to influence all the Rings of Power was hard-baked into the creation process that he taught the elves, so even with the elves trying to make the three rings after cutting Sauron off and trying to keep any of his influence out of it, that backdoor was still there. The elves didn't dare use their rings until Sauron was defeated by the Last Alliance. In Rings of Power, the rings are literally just mithril alloy. We saw no tampering from Sauron or anything (nor any sort of complex enchantment process that even could be tampered with). Literally all he did was suggest alloys and one new alloy-making trick to the best and most experienced blacksmith in the world. The rings themselves are so botched in the Rings of Power. How the hell are they going to salvage any other canon? I don't see it being possible.

[@junkyardemperor7030]

20:10 I think that what actually started the "sympathetic villain" trend was the Maleficent movie back in 2014. If anything, Joker is one of the few movies made chasing that trend that actually work

[@Will_Parker]

The casting is horrible because the immortal Celebrimbor is a frail old man and the "Amazon" Galadriel, described as being as tall as Celeborn and probably about 6 feet tall, is played by a 5' actress.

[@magister343]

I don't recall there being a big battle between Sauron and the forces of Numenor. They raise a huge army and have some skirmishes on the way to Mordor, but when they approach his fortress Sauron himself comes out and immediately surrenders without a fight. He is taken to Numenor in chains but is very polite and cooperative, enough that he soon rises to the position of the king's chief advisor.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

Altariel has the right if it. There are 3 numenorian invasions of middle earth to counter sauron. The first is to save the elves in eregion where there is big battles. The 2nd they land and sauron surrenders without a real fight and the 3rd is the last alliance.

[@rcrawford42]

What do they think the Three were used for?! Elrond and Galadriel hid them and MAYBE drew on them to preserve their realms. Cirdan doesn't appear to have used his, and once Gandalf has it he uses it EXTREMELY subtly. The Three are tools of preservation, not weapons.

[@TheEldritchGod]

I continue my quest to collect the best of the "I Loved The Part Where..." Memes. If you have any additions, know that your contribution may be added to the unfolding saga. I loved the part where Galadriel Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way Targaryen (GEDDRWT) faced off against the german-orcs, "We have the mightiest armies in all of middle earth! What do you have that could defeat us?" Incelron just cracked his neck and said, "Magic, Mutherf*cker." Then Frodo said, "Crap. we're gonna need a bigger ring." so Gandalf told the Ents "run forrest run!" Then Don Lemonlas said, "We Haz RANGS!" while wearing T-shirt that read, "Ask Me About My Translucent Agenda." Then all the N*zis got blown up when the Gay Engola dropped two nukes: Body-Positive Man and Little Transboy. All Game of Thrones scholars agree that the scene where Rhaenyra whispers in Celeborn's ear “I hate pee on the toilet seat when I go to use it.” and then disconnects the machine that keeps him alive, perfectly delivered George JRR Martin's message of hope and healing for all wahmankind. Then Galadriel jumped into the ocean with Dory and started singing, "Just keep swimming." I have to admit, I did not like the part where the authot race swapped the ents. Ents are clearly White Birch, but those ents were OAK. Remember, Arboreal Pollen is Tree ejaculation, so the Ent orgy counts as interracial and should have the appropriate tags. Although they redeemed themselves when Scott Bakula quantum leaped into T(reebeard)'Challa. I was taken off guard when GEDDRWT and Rey Palpatine arrived in Wakanda to fookin scissor, and a white man said "we don't do that in here" and Rey replied, "are you Shuri about that?" My favorate part would have to be when Gandalf said, "Did you ever hear the tragedy of Morgoth? I thought not. It's not a story the Valar would tell you. It's a Maiar legend. Melkor was a Dark Lord, so powerful and so wise he could use the Silmarils to influence the Great Music to create life... He had such a knowledge of the unseen world that he could even keep the ones he cared about from losing their Facebook accounts if they posted the N-word. The dark side of the unseen world is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice became the Dark Lord Incelron. Ironic, he could save others from living in their parent's basement, but not himself." I loved the ending where Ursula said “Ahh, so you think darkness is your ally? But you merely adopted the dark; I was born in it, molded by it. I didn’t see the light until I was already an octopus, by then it was nothing to me but blinding!” Then She-Hulk said, "You either die a Hero or live long enough to see yourself become the Crustacean." And then Halbrand said, "YEW TUKE ARR JERBS!" and Kicked a Harfoot into a well while shouting, "THIS. IS. NUMENOR." But Then Ursula Replied, "I am INEVITABLE!!!" only for Ariel to impale her with the boat while saying, "And I am all the Jedi! ... On a Boat." As Ursula died she croaked, "The Sea... Is always... Right..." Then perked up, "And the sea shops exclusively at Amazon. Use The 'IAmAllTheJedi' code to get a ten percent discount on all your Amazon purchased items for one order." THEN she finally died. I laughed, I cried, I kissed 18 bucks goodbye. 10/10 Would edge to it again. Much Stunning. Much Bravery.

[@hankstankthetoilet7859]

Beautiful, just beautiful

[@Norbert_Sattler]

"Why does the boat guy need the ring of fire?" Maybe Cirdan asked himself the same question and that's exactly why he decided to give his ring to Gandalf, rather than keep it around all those nicely flammable ships. :P

[@rcrawford42]

Controlling fire would be useful on a wooden ship, though I doubt elvish ships had that many problems with it.

[@ChallengeIdeas]

'Cause it burns burns burns, the ring of fire.

[@michaeltheodorou2490]

I believe it’s explained as each rings has a look and an element but they are each called something else and help with the wearers ability, so galadriels ring helped her preserve lothlorien, elronds gave him wisdom and far sight and the ring Gandalf gets gives strength or something like that

[@anneselby2293]

Someone described Celebrimbor as a lounge lizard wearing a velvet smoking jacket 😁 also compared him to an Elven Hugh Hefner! Heferbrimbor? Hughbrimbor? He does look like a seedy old man who never showers or washes his clothes.

[@dragonpaladin5584]

I once decided to give thought to make a better analogy with why a boat floats, and a rock sinks. It took me about a minute to come up with this. "Why does a boat float, and a rock sinks? Because the boat's buoyancy allows it to carry its burdens, while a rock is dragged down by its own weight."

[@bodhyplees]

You guys could actually do podcasts. I love listening to your videos while working and it being podcast form actually fits quite well.

[@RaydeusMX]

By the gods, I think Shad is right. What if their original idea is for Guyladriel to be the one to defeat Sauron and then give the ring to Isildur to destroy, at which point he fails. That would fit the feminist MO and give Guyladriel all the glory while passing all the blame unto Isildur and Elrond for the ring not being destroyed.

[@sukamadik5983]

At least this mess up pales in comparison to rings of power.

[@Xenophon1]

Amazon's plot twist: Sauron is the sane one.

[@mikesemus9773]

At this point he's the sympathetic protagonist, yup, lol

[@g.t.werber4476]

53:25 you called it Shad!!

[@albertocruzado2899]

I am quite invested in the adventures of Amazondriel. Which civilizations she would destroy next? I can not wait anymore.

[@DShayShaidarol]

I dream of them remaking this show using Tolkien Untangled's (youtube) ideas. If you have time check out his play list on making Rings of Power. Awesome stuff and he confines his script ideas to the IP the show writers have access to.

[@johnhughes2124]

yeah the annoying part for all of the cluster screw ups these days is just how they had really good premises which were written and acted really badly

[@sebotto5149]

I would love to see that

[@hiarhu746]

@@johnhughes2124 Because new writers with zero life experience straight out of school are much less costly than established writers with developed talent. Spectacle over story became the norm and now we're seeing the end result. The modern versions of great stories are just themed sets of jangly keys fit only to entertain infants.

[@jaceyking5015]

Oh man. I was listening to his break down of how he would have done a Second Age show, and that beginning part where he talked about Elrond And Elros nearly got me to tears. So much emotion from a tv show we never got. Rings of Power could never do that.

[@ChallengeIdeas]

I concur. Everything I've listened to on his channel is good stuff!

[@EinfachLiam]

25:00 JESSE! JESSE WE NEED TO COOK THE RINGS! GUS NEEDS THE RINGS JESSE!

[@Ower8x]

About Cirdan ... is a very interesting character ... he is mentioned primary in the Appendices of LotR ... keeping one of the rings safe and then giving it to Gandalf on his arrival It also mentions from the perspective of the hobbits writing about Sam going to the Havens that they believe he is still there as he will only Leave with the final boat. In the movies he leaves together with the ring Bearers but in the books he does not as not all Elves have yet left ... there are a few high elves that stayed in Rivendel ... including for a time Celeborn who remains in middle earth for some time into the 4th age and in the prologue of the fellowship it is implied that Celeborn and Cirdan leave together on that last boat. Cirdan is also the oldest named elf around he was part of the original migration to Valinor ... but stayed at the shore when Thingol got lost in the woods with Melian, and so never crossed to Valinor. He learned to build ships from one of the Maiar ... and was the leader of a sub group of Sindarin who considered Thingol their High King basically but were their own thing basically ... Gil-Galad was sent to Cirdan as a child for protection primarily and Cirdan was basically his forester parent ... and his chief advisor and also one of his top commanders ... being one of Gil-Galads generals during the Last Alliance together with Elrond and was present when Elending and Gil-Galad fought Sauron ... Hi fought in many wars and conflicts the elves were involved in Middle Earth .. Including the very first war for Belariand after Morgoth returned from Valinor. Multiple of the campaigns, and fought at Gil-Galads side during Saurons siege of Lindon ... He is also the only known Elf to have a beard ... as he is in what Tolkien described as an elven Old Age ... basically he has been through so much stuff his spirit feels old and worn but because he feels he has a purpose he refuses to leave his body yet as most elves do if they get to that point ... the result of this is his body reacting by growing a beard ... I dread what they will do to his character

[@haleyschreiter9746]

Nope, there is no way to make season 2 "more canonical" unless they publicly scrap season 1, fire everyone, and start totally fresh. Season 2 should open with Galadriel waking up in bed next to Celeborn and looking mildly puzzled/concerned. Then she'll laugh off the bizarre dream and attribute it to pregnancy-induced hormones 😊

[@JosephFrostsGhost]

You guys need to start your own radio station.

[@carbondragon]

Slight rewrite. Galadriel rejects Sauron. Sauron kills Galadriel. Goes back to Undying land where he is acclaimed as a hero. Dwarves open up a resort in Mordor. Shire goes on forever. Gandalf retires at Hogwarts ... for a while.

[@MageGrayWolf]

"Anything they build off of from the continuity of season one is going to be awful. I will hate it even if season two is good if it validates the continuity of season one, I will hate it." I feel the exact same way about Star Trek Picard season three.

[@Dracoo123789]

Dont insult cows, they are docile lovable creatures, Guy-lad-dril is not!

[@DavidM_10]

Indeed. Cows are adorable. 🐄

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

What no one thought they wanted but everyone needed for season 2 : LOVE TRIANGLE betweet Galadriel, Sauron and Celeborn !!! (that will probably end with Sauron going with Celeborn)

[@trashfire9641]

Why let a Gay romance get in the way of a good Crusade?!

[@MrRodrigomarcola]

Cows are the most udder-rated animals, they're lovely, they're like dogs, they give us meat, milk, bones, hide, hooves, horns, and love. Cows are the best.

[@kamion53]

@ 32:09 Thank you Nathan for reminding me why there are eyes painted on boats ( although in the real world not in the show) but as far as I rember the pictures those eyes are always lower the the rim of the hull, so they can only look down. Why than does a boats with eyes painted on the hull don't sink like a rock?

[@BMO_Creative]

I can't believe they made a S2! Also, can someone show the drawing I did of Shad in Japanese armor to him? Hope he likes it!

[@Kale13000]

I kinda figured this was a given. Season 2 is just gonna be more bad dialogue, more horrible “commentary” that tries to tell you what to think, and more total disrespect of Tolkien

[@filiadei5560]

I'm sure that's how the 4 next seasons are going to be.

[@kongilian]

Celebrimbor should look like Conan the Barbarian smashing metal on anvils.

[@RaydeusMX]

The Knights Watch podcast let's go!

[@danieldeclue1466]

All that rings of power does is slap you in the face with missed opportunities. Think about it, we could have seen a canonical and amazing origin for the Nazgul. It's known that most of the Nazgul started off as Heroes of men, and great kings. If they wanted to cast a diverse actor for a role, how about Kamul the easterling?? If you really wanted to sell your Halbrand character, then debut him as the witch King God damn it. Stop altering Sauron to try and ship him and Galadriel for fucksake. Sauron is supposed to be an incomprehensible pit of evil that we cannot understand or fathom the depths of because of his original Angelic nature. He is one of the best pure evil villains ever. But no JD and Patrick just wanted to pull him down to their level I guess

[@draydensmith9043]

Absolutely agree! Especially since they actually think they can write!🤣🤣🤣

[@firenze6478]

Good will be called evil and evil will be called good. ^^^^^^^^^ Rings of Power literally made Satan’s(Morgoth) pawn the most likable character in the show and made us hate numenor and Galadriel.

[@goyasolidar]

The casting of Edwards as Celebrimbor just shows a total lack of attention to the most fundamental elements of Tolkien's lore. Elves aren't supposed to change physically past the point of maturity.

[@derrickcrowe3888]

I like the newer new guy. Shad and Marcus are very impassioned and excitable, so having a much calmer, thoughtful voice adds a good contrast.

[@BigCowProductions]

Agreed

[@johnprime1147]

I'm going to be writing a book. And I need help with this. Could you help me with this? Or anyone? The Book is about a teen boy who runs into a Curse Armor that becomes the bane of his existence but keeps him alive

[@candypower9988]

"i think those are called ----- websites boss" "perhaps"

[@PatriceBoivin]

I wouldn't listen to anything the two show runners said, it's all a pack of lies. They don't seem capable of telling the truth, for them it seems to be an abstract concept. They lied so many times already, analyzing what they say is like listening attentively to a con man.

[@JohnM34404]

the sympathetic villan thing started with the Grendel book that some crazy person wrote about Grendel's perspective in Beowolf being taught in school, and then the Malifacent movie.

[@Prototype-357]

Before Maleficent there was Wicked, I don't think Disney would have pushed the sleeping beauty story in that direction if it wasn't for the success of Wicked.

[@elessarsgirl4883]

Half the fun is watching you guys. Watching.

[@nathanscarlett4772]

😏

[@HerraTohtori]

52:30 "'The alien mothership is in orbit here. If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate." -Captain Zapp Brannigan, ca. 3000 CE

[@vjbd2757]

From the moment it was reported that they failed to get Peter Jackson on board by refusing to give him the script this whole Rings of Power series will be a disaster.

[@winterwolfsden]

Toss up between that and when Amazon canned Tom Shippe.

[@andrewarmstrong3868]

The “boat guy” needs an elven ring of power because he uses it to protect the Grey Havens, the point the elves sail west from when they return to Valinor - in essence, if Middle-Earth falls, the Havens must be the last place to fall so the elves can escape

[@oldmangreywolf6892]

It was a thousand years from when Sauron lost his body in Numinors destruction and the battle in Mordor where he gets defeated.

[@ChildOfTheFlower]

@21:24 This has been a trend going on since Wicked. Everytime you go into subversion, there will be a villian who has a sympathetic backstory or make them so attractive that you will have the "I can change him" mindset (see how that went for Star Wars regarding Kylo Ren).

[@ComradeCommissarYuri]

I mean I remember when they released the first posters a load of people tagged halbrand as Sauron cause of the description

[@Prototype-357]

I'm a level 0 on Tolkien lore but more savvy watchers started suspecting him of being Sauron the moment he appeared, apparently most of the clues were in stuff he said and the fact he was a blacksmith and the show put so many signs of his true identity that people started thinking it was too obvious and it had to be a red herring. So now I'm conflicted, I don't know if this was a genius way of throwing people off his scent or if the writers are superbly bad at handling foreshadowing.

[@ComradeCommissarYuri]

@@Prototype-357 the description was “random human with Galadriel on a raft” so people said yeah clearly that’s Sauron 😂

[@calumdeighton]

The Codex Astartes does not approve of Tyrin's ignorance. He must be subjected to the Trail of the Rings and walk the gauntlet. Once he has completed his trail. He may speak with the illumination of knowledge.

[@kamion53]

@33:38 "Headmaster, Patty and Johnny failed every test this year, but when you let them pass to the next grade I am convinched they will do better." @ 33:18 why did the boatguy need a Ring of Fire. maybe because he is the oldest Elf in the book, setting out for Valinor during the Sundering of the Elves, but was more or less lured by one of the sea Maia Ossë to stay on the coast.

[@gothicpando]

They dared to go forward with a season 2? How do they think they deserve a season 2?

[@Kernwadi]

"Who am I? I forgot..." -Somebody with dementia

[@Norbert_Sattler]

I don't think the writers did anything intentionally. They are just as incompetent as we all assumed, but when someone confronts them with their mistakes they can't admit they were wrong and instead go with "Oh, of course this is exactly what we meant to do all along", not even realizing that they are only digging their holes ever deeper. Of course they can't take Galadriel's husband off the board and say he's dead, because HE IS IN THE FIRST MOVIE! The guy who greets the fellowship when they enter Lothlorien saying "Tell me where is Gandalf, for I much desire to speak with him." That is Celeborn. Oh the intriguing and thrilling mystery of whether the guy that's in the movie died in the prequel to the movie...

[@verpine]

Regarding sympathic villians, I was working at a video store when The Dark Knight was released and tons of custmers sympathized with Heath Ledgers Joker and thought he had the right idea. I made a point of moving all pens and pencils away from them upon hearing this.

[@calumdeighton]

Give it long enough. And she will become the Dark Queen of Middle Earth. Remember. She's not a Horse.

[@weirdchick257]

45:00 I bet they'll say she was trying to use the rings against him. 🤦‍♀️

[@baldbookgeek]

I don't think they show can be saved

[@rcrawford42]

So Elrond knows Galadriel was hiding something, and she's acted the way she did through the series, yet they go ahead and give her one of the Three?

[@slimbombur7922]

yes. that is how you reward people who goes off rail, disobeys orders and only thinks about themselves.

[@ctsperformance1755]

When are we getting the message that this show gets rebooted and all these talentless people fired?

[@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623]

Probably never. That would imply that Lex Luthor and his underling Jennifer Salke made a mistake. And Amazon is nowhere near in Warner Brothers levels of debt to force their egos to make that admission. It's not even in debt to begin with.

[@Acrosurge]

Why would they make any changes? Amazon gets all the money they need through the sheer number of Amazon Prime subscribers. The "success" or "failure" of creative teams is irrelevant in a business model where people keep using Amazon to buy and ship their products. If the public wants to stop Amazon from making schlock, then they must stop ordering products through Amazon. Period.

[@ctsperformance1755]

@@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 unfortunately ure right, mate...

[@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623]

@@Acrosurge Amazon is not 1 business with 1 giant pot where all the money comes in and gets paid for. Separate departments need to earn their own money and either swim or sink. Amazon studios does not get funded indefinitely by the rest of Amazon, it needs to make its own money. Rings of Power can sink Amazon studios. Prime would still exist, they'd still invest money in shows like Reacher. But it could spell the end for original Amazon produced content. Take that win, if it happens, as the win that it would be.

[@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623]

@@ctsperformance1755 We might not get the true Tolkien show that we want, but RoP might end up costing Amazon Studios so much money it ends up tanking it. It's not called too big too fail for nothing.

[@Veldrane]

In season 2 of Rings of Power, things will go in a much better direction. Galadriel will make Sauron into a better person, so much so they get married. They have 2 kids and live in a nice quiet house. Galadreil gets a full time job being an inquisitor of managers, and Sauron is a teacher who teaches Harfoots about bathing and hygiene. Sadly peace can not last forever and Sauron is informed he will die if he doesn't commit any acts of evil. Behind Galadreil's back Sauron makes the most purest of pure Methral that he sells to the local elves.If have watched Breaking Bad you know how this ends.

[@Zephyr503]

38:00 Cirdan is the one of the oldest Elves in Middle-Earth, he was born even before the Elves first went to Valinor. The three rings originally belonged to Cirdan, Gil-galad, and Galadriel. Elrond received his from Gil-galad before the defeat of Sauron and Gandalf received Cirdan's in the Third Age.

[@darktenor4967]

Regarding Círdan, he's one of the oldest elves in middle earth. He's not seen in Lotr because basically he's the one that hangs out at the grey havens west of the shire, building the ships that carry elves back to Valinor, something he's been doing for a good few millennia.. He actually possessed the ring of fire, NAria, before handing it over to Gandalf after Gandalf appeared in middle earth. As to the question "why does a ship builder need a ring of fire", because the ring of fire was intended to set a fire in hearts and minds and inspire people, not just make things blow up. this is why Círdan had it, since the elves who approached him leaving middle earth tended to be weary and grieving and need a bit of fire in their souls, and this is also why he gave it to Gandalf, so that Gandalf could use it to become a leader in the war against Sauron. the other two rings were held by Elrdon and galadriel. Círdan does appear in Lotr, but only in the very last chapter, after sending one of his councillors to take part in the council of Elrond. In the second age he was certainly present, and again, like Gilgalad did not trust Anatar, aka the newly reformed Sauron the way celebrimbor did, so should be around at the time, but what's the betting they turn a stoical male character, who literally holds the last position and keeps watch over the waves so others can leave into a useless twittery weed, just like they did with Elrond!

[@ardendragoon]

This has the same chances of being good as, season 2 of WoT. There is no saving them. Bezoes should have fired that woman running amazon studio. She has messed up alot. Not going to happen.

[@NovRen19]

We called this in Exsurge Tolkien, since 25 March, now its a full apostasy of power, The evidence is clear, and none can deny that "ROP" is not of Tolkien. Our EXSURGE TOLKIEN that makes robustly clear the heresy of the showrunner's mouths and hearts. They probably know nothing of Tolkien's masterpiece, as evident from their interview in the Vanity Fair Article. For "they who proclaim to loveth Tolkien, yet understandeth, not his world view can neither hope to create a new film, show, or series of his secondary world." "Auta i lóme!" and" Aurë entuluva!"

[@darktenor4967]

Given the level of competence of the writers for season 1, I wouldn't trust them to write a train time table! There are gorillas walking around the jungles of the Kongo who have had no contact with humanity, and no understanding of coherent speech who would make a better job writing the series than these twonks!

[@twinklingjoiner]

9:10 I have told my dad that I didn't like the show and he called me racist bc I didn't like the black people. He put words in my mouth that I had never said. I told him it an argument but not mine, I don't like it bc it doesn't follow canon. He tells me that I'm full of it and there's nothing written on the second age. He has been a fan for a long time and he's 40 something and hasn't read the books for over 20 something years. I had read 3/4 of the Hobbit 2ish years ago it I do remember it telling a little on the second age and my dad also has the book that covers the second age. It's really frustrating when someone that you love teaches you to see see through lies falling for one.

[@grbdevnull5611]

52:16 A line from the show "Frasier" comes to mind: "are you done mixing metaphors like a Cuisinart?"

[@CharlesZane_]

The blue wizards were not in the second age.

[@Beregond1861]

" 'Indeed in nothing is the power of the Dark Lord more clearly shown than in the estrangement that divides all those who still oppose him.' " -Haldir.

[@Prototype-357]

I want them to confirm that Sauron wasn't in love with Galadriel, he was just trying to manipulate her. Please don't reduce one of the most iconic villains ever to a guy that got his feelings hurt by a girl and decided to take it out on the world.

[@rcrawford42]

Remember that the total life experience of the writers is decades of middle-school mentality. Add in their desire to slander male characters -- they will reduce Sauron to an angry incel.

[@Prototype-357]

@@rcrawford42 I mean, I've seen Incel villains done well, only one time but still, it was in the movie Megamind. But Sauron as a villain is already perfect the way he is, you can go into his back story if you want but don't ruin his character by changing his motivation like this.

[@dragonpaladin5584]

About the Sonic movie design conspiracy, there is a moment in the movie that was clearly written with the old design in mind. The time when Sonic is trying to get the bomb off his hand; with the redesign he has gloves that he could take off, but the old design didn't have gloves.

[@jle2500]

"I don't want to talk about Star Wars" Me either. I don't have the energy to even argue about it anymore.

[@wildcardproductions6010]

Is Oz just not with the team anymore? He's never here these days... I miss Oz! #bringbackoz

[@jobearesto9746]

Thanks for the video... I think you could do these voice conversations. Sort of pod cast format works for me while I am in work listening to it in the background.

[@kanrakucheese]

52:00 “Once we’ve hit the bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate!”

[@Asin24]

Sauron could work as a sympathetic villain where he was maybe rethinking things after Morgoth fell and it could of worked. Having him realize he has a second chance and can just blend into the world, but then his evil nature spurned on seeing what all the people of Middle Earth do that while his Master failed, he sees a chance for him to take up his crown and to accomplish what Morgoth failed to do.

[@swordsmanfabian18]

@2:50 The term you're looking for is an Archkaren.

[@drigerprg]

Please do a review of "the last ring bearer" written by Kiryl Yeskov, for me it's kinda good fanfic over the end of The War of The Ring.

[@Mad-Cat_Dan]

Rings of Power: a LOTR Soap Opera

[@darktenor4967]

Sorry to disagree on a lore point, but Morgoth gets Sauron beat in the corruption steaks there. Sauron corrupted the building of the rings and caused the kingdom of numenor to fall, Morgoth; even after his first defeat convinced! the! Gods! that he was sincere, then got Faeanor and his sons to turn on the rest of the Noldor elves, before going and making a pact with ungoliant (shelob's mother), sneak attacking valinor, distroying the two trees, murdering faeanor and nicking all the silmarils, thereby kicking off a massive elf civil war, complete with a slaughter of the innocent sea elves. Sauron is pretty good at corruption, but he learned from the best, literally middle earth's version of Satan himself!

[@michelecastellotti9172]

Can i ask you guys where you found those fine ass drippy clothes? I may or may not be interested to buy one for myself

[@Madison-iw8ix]

About how Morgoth is a mace and Sauron is a dagger, well, Morgoth was very sneaky about sowing the seeds of the Fall of the Noldor.

[@Baybren]

An example of a studio going back and changing a show they already made might be Arrested Development. After Netflix got the rights to continue it they made a 4th season that was a different style but still good. But apparently they thought their new nonlinear storytelling didn't work, so they went back and re-edited the season to be more linear. Personally I thought the original was much better (though still not nearly as good as the original 3 seasons), which also seemed to be the general consensus from what I could find online.

[@RPTownsend]

So they uploaded a podcast episode? Neat!

[@backonlazer791]

5:50 Looking young is much much better for an elf than whatever they did with grandma Celebrimbor. In fact, I think Elrond already looked too old in the Peter Jackson's movies. I don't remember if the elves have even been described as middle aged (appearance wise) in the books. They look unnaturally perfect and live forever.

[@missAlice1990]

Personally, I think Elrond was okay, especially that he was a half-elf so the creators might've wanted to allude to that. Plus, he had an adult daughter. It might've been weird for the audience to see no age difference between father and daughter on the screen. But above all, he simply looked good and "elvish" enough. Celebrimbor's actor looks much older, ha has no "elvish vibe", his acting is worse and the costume and hairstyle really do give him that "grandma" look.

[@backonlazer791]

@@missAlice1990 Oh yea, Jackson's Elrond was miles better. I do also think that him looking older could allude to his half-elven nature. It's just my personal taste saying he looked too old since he's described as looking "neither old nor young". In the end, I have come to like Elrond's portrayal by Hugo Weaving. It's just that when I first saw it it was somewhat jarring.

[@missAlice1990]

@@backonlazer791 Sure, nothing wrong with disliking some of Jackson's casting choices. I just wanted to express my own views, not trying to make you change your mind. But yeah, you just have to gain at least some appreciation for Jackson's Elrond after seeing Celebrimbor, Galadriel and co. in RoP, haha.

[@Ower8x]

About the wars in the second age there are 3 conflicts against Sauron canonically: The War of the Elves and Sauron - is after the forging of the rings Sauron invades Eriador to take possession of the 16 - Eregion is destroyed and the Gates of Khazadum are closed ... Rivendel is founded when the Army under Erlond arrives to late to save Eregion and is cut of from the path back west Lindon is besieged ... The war is won when the Numenorians appear for the first time en force in Middle Earth ... and together with Gil Galad and his forces and the now releved forces of Elrond they annihilate Saurons Armies ... Second was Ar Pharazons expedition where he captures Sauron - this is after over a thousand years rebuilding his strength Sauron proclaims himself Lord of Middle Earth, which offends the usurper ... the might of Numenors armies is said to be such that all of Saurons underlings fled at the sight rather than battle. and the the battle of the Last Alliance

[@ALavaPenguin]

Unless it is Galadriel waking up realizing all this was a bad dream, and saying "wow that all sucked!" and then it going on with a completely different story and better show.... yeah it is gonna be so bad hahahaha.

[@leipzigergnom]

The sympathetic villain trope has been going on since that "Wicked" musical came out and maybe even before that

[@Norbert_Sattler]

Unless the villain is a straight white male of course. No sympathy for those monsters!

[@fenrirblaze9350]

Sympathetic villain trend started with Wicked and making the origin of the Wicked Witch of the West sympathetic and only continued from there.

[@mooocowcowcowmooo]

Shad has taken the Dadism of Sargon and is employing it in his business ethic. Love you Shad!

[@DavidM_10]

Just imagine if they actually scrapped the show and started fresh with the intention of respecting the lore (including leaving white characters white). There'd be a Left-wing media meltdown. It'd be amazing. But they'll never do it. They'd rather fail a thousand times and waste a billion dollars than admit defeat in the eyes of the so-called toxic trolls (i.e. real fans).