Know before you buy upper control arms

Know before you buy upper control arms. (THIS IS A LONG ONE)
In this video we are going over our experience with upper control arms. I'm going to cover everything I went through during my quest for UCA's. Hopefully this video will help others who are in the market for aftermarket upper control arms. The alignment issues we had gave us a headache. Camburg eventually had to diagnose the truck top to bottom. Heim joint UCA's made our truck feel brand new. Why Camburg? Well that was simple. Camburg provided great customer service and went above and beyond in all areas. If you are having upper control arm problems, I encourage you to reach out to camburg. I hope this video helps someone along the way. Don't forget to follow us on Instagram @Tundra4x4.Club
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[@anthonyperez_pm]

Camburg refunded his money so he can buy the more adjustable/expensive Camburg UCA. Problem fixed.....I saved you all 28 minutes of rambling.

[@jimenagulla9081]

Yep, only made it 6 minutes in, I'm out.....

[@markcreamer4649]

Thank you for saving me my time

[@NilesHarrison]

I wish I had read this about 20 minutes ago!

[@TheJ5412]

Not all hero’s wears a cape

[@MrChristianbowman82]

The hero we need

[@stevenlee7907]

Dude get to the point.....

[@fouUili684]

Steven Lee dude, I was thinking the same thing, too much talking sounded like teenagers gossiping

[@switchman956]

Brah........get to the point you starting to sound like tundradude. WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER TUNDRA DUDE!

[@Marco-fi6gv]

No shit,damn!

[@jimenagulla9081]

Amen!

[@vizcarraawd]

I gave you 10min because I was eating..

[@dougkreutzer8440]

Thanks for all the great information. If I find myself in need of an upgrade, I will definitely use this company.

[@dowers44]

Thank you for doing this video. You are helping people that actually buy and build their kits

[@DirtShy]

Wow, I just bought camburg uca's for my Tacoma before this video. Now I'm confident of my purchase.

[@mikemiller1502]

Great video. Thanks for sharing your experience ! I have a 2018 Tundra and will be lifting my Tundra 3”.

[@trentmanzanares3472]

I can vouch for them I called just to see how easy it was to do a uniball swamp in my truck and a guy answered and walked me through every step of how easy it was. I have never done one so was just curious the difficulty and the tech in the other end was amazing. They are awesome

[@jaypon4321]

Great information, I have been considering the Camburg UCA's on my 19', Thanks !!!!

[@travishess8790]

Jay Pon great choice in company and product.

[@dkhinson577]

I'm crying for some reason, but I love it when a company is like that

[@AdventureWithDanan]

Good to hear this about Camburg! I'll also be a customer for life now that I've seen this video!

[@AdventureWithDanan]

Oh, and thanks so much for the detailed experience. You have saved me a truck-load of time on research, trial and error!

[@dowers44]

Same as well. Ive had them on 2 trucks now as well as an icon stage 8. I will always run camburg uca on my toyotas.

[@rodneymorris449]

Really respect the Honesty

[@KurNorock]

I was just at an off-road shop a few weeks ago talking about a lift for my Tundra. It just so happened there was a Tundra in the shop finishing up a lift install using Camburg UCAs. They did the alignment, pulled the Tundra out of the shop, and I watched as they turned the wheels, the front tires flopped over at 20+ degrees of camber. It literally looked like something was broken. I went back into the shop and asked the tech why that was happening. According to him, the Camburg UCAs have something like 8 degrees of caster, which is MUCH more than any other UCAs on the market. And when you have a lot of caster, your tires gain lots of camber when turning.

[@jwatson923]

Thanks for this video! Im looking to put in the same bilstein suspension in my tundra trd sport. Just wondering if you would do anything different if you could do it over, or if you would have bothered with replacing your UCAs?

[@andrewlamb8219]

Dude. Great video. I know it was long but very helpful to me as I am in the process of lifting my 4Runner. I want to know these kinds of things

[@Tundra4x4Club]

+Andrew Lamb I’m glad this helped. Thanks for watching. Good luck on the build. 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@stephenruether8216]

I really appreciate the honest comments. I found this interesting. Video could have been shorter. Also, what tires are you running?; they are so loud!!!

[@Goride52]

Awesome video and great explanation of the Camburg arms. Build quality is amazing on my tubular Camburg UCA but i also am having trouble with my alignment. I would really love to upgrade to the Kinetik hiem joint arms one day! Keep up the good videos Ryan!

[@marinedutia]

I have a question ? How much of a lift are you running, the reason I ask is because their site says 1-3 inches of lift?

[@jaycasman1754]

So how much caster did you get with the uni ball camburg's? I need high caster to fit 37s on 3inch lift. What were your alignment #s

[@tumbleweed728]

Yeah, Camburg rocks. I've had nothing but great success with their products, and their customer service is the gold standard.

[@scottgiem9475]

So, I have a 2018 and I have the same tubular arms you "had" I have the same shimmy in the front end, I've heard the same limitations from my alignment people.. I don't what day of week my truck was made? I'm curious, this couldn't be just our problem? And as much as it's great that they have you credit for your initial 650 plus dollars purchase. I have an issue with having to spend another 650.00 to fix a problem with part that's made for my truck that doesn't work.. I'm I wrong or are we the only two guys with tundras tgat the tubular arms don't work? I live a closer to Camburg than you do and it wouldn't be an issue to drive up there, however it is interesting listening to you story and feeling like you just laid out my whole issue as well. Coinsidence?

[@Tundra4x4Club]

+Scott Giem thanks for the comment. Yeah man, I’m feeling your pain as I was in your shoes. So, keep in mind, Camburg sells these by the thousands. Not everyone has an issue. As I mentioned, they diagnosed the full truck, furthermore, they made sure the control arm was built to spec. The arm wasn’t the issue in my case, my truck was. I hope you get your problem worked out. It was seriously the most frustrating thing for me to go through.

[@dafiapoko638]

Tubular control arms are a lot stiffer then stamped control arms more solid in corners and they are available with bearing bushing so the load is not sitting on rubber bushings when flexed and can easily change bushings so yea not just looks

[@roj3369]

Did the first camburg you bought was it a defect? Did camburg explained that to you when they switched it out?

[@chrisochoa1222]

So are the regular UCA they sell not worth a crap? Only the billet? I feel better about the company backing their stuff but they did the minimum IMO. I was going to order their leveling kit for my 2005 now I am concerned...

[@re9473]

Yeah I brought control arms that have tester and camber adjustments expensive but well worth it

[@jamesstratton9994]

Nice intro it's so true

[@Offroadmavericks]

This was a great video

[@almor820]

Can you please give an advice!!?? I have a 2005 tundra and I bough 35” tires and a 3 inches lift and now the ball join it’s rubbing with the coil spring. Can I use a SPC ?? I’m afraid that it will rub on my tires. What can I do??

[@tundrawhisperer4821]

So Camburg tubular style UCA’s use a different designed ball joint than what’s on their Kinetik arm? And now your using their Kinetik billet style arm? The ones that are around $1,395?

[@travishess8790]

Do research. Camburg uses superior materials through and through. I have tubular with Heim joints from camburg. Running a full LT kit with bed cage from them. A simple call to them will help you make your decision.

[@camburgracing]

We use the same large uniballs in both. We also have a ball joint version.

[@Michael-in6jh]

How’s the noise on those kinetic arms ? I’d like to keep my daily driver on the quiet side, that’s why I have steered away from polyurethane bushing uca

[@jcabi142]

Did you have tierod rubbing on coilover springs while turning

[@reynino7476]

I too purchased camburg upper control arms fro my 2015 tundra, took it to get an alignment and could not get it to align , I immediately thought of you're video, even though I double checked and made sure I chose the right year model for my truck it still did not align , so after hours of thinking about it I looked at the instructions again and holy crap it stated for year model 2007 through 2013!! I have a 2015 !! But still said it would fit my 2015 , now I wonder if that's the issue

[@bryanmartinez6600]

It all started with one part. Then I had to replace everything around it. Also I'm going with Dirt King upper.

[@KeithBickford]

Thanks. Did they ever tell you what was wrong? Is everyone that purchases the Camburg steel UCAs going to have this issue?

[@bubblebutt4201]

They came up with the fram was tweeked little bit and the first uca didn't have enough adjustability to fix that

[@Gab1794]

nice video,is the camburg kinetic upper control arms fit on my 2019 toyota tundra on 7” lift kit?

[@jahyoda]

I Found Camburg In '98 ... Us San Clemente boys tore up Camp Pendleton in our Rangers built by Camburg !! Customer for life...just used them again on GMC 2500 4×4 w/kings

[@skaterzero21]

Brendan Barthi how’s that ride set up with the Duramax off-road?? Because I’m thinking of going that route.

[@jahyoda]

@@skaterzero21 I'll tell you straight up king is designed to be off road at high speeds paired with UCA's...Phenomenally compliant...on road its stiffer and hard at low speeds....but I dont drive slow...DO IT

[@skaterzero21]

Brendan Barthi well the way you describe it sounds pretty damn good, I just need something on my Duramax that can give me a nice ride off road and in the sand !

[@jahyoda]

@@skaterzero21 it'll do that for sure...on the highway @80 mph it handles dream like

[@skaterzero21]

Brendan Barthi sounds good I just hope it’s super nice off-road thanks man!

[@Libertarian_Neighbor]

I’m saving up $500 for the Camburg UCA’s, $2000 for a half dozen alignments, 6 months of headaches and taking half a week off work to drive 1000 miles to LA so they’ll work. Or I’ll buy something that works.

[@billpeirce7127]

Lol Right!!! I won't ever buy them. Screw that!!!!👎👎👎👎👎👎

[@onenation7784]

This UCLA correct Caster ? Should it be Camber setting instead ? Can u post ur alignment Reading.Thanks

[@camburgracing]

Our upper arms correct camber and add caster. If you lift your truck with a coilover shock more than 1.5-2" you will need to run upper arms to correct the alignment and add more caster for better performance.

[@Gettinbentoffroad]

Only thing I want to know is how much flex did you actually gain aka droop

[@snowhiterover]

Man.... this guy can talk.

[@bigmandad2974]

34 seconds in and I've never heard a more true statement

[@trdrockwarrior_sport4432]

i have a 2014 tacoma4wd what upper controll i ask for wat them billet ones called????

[@scubbarookie]

Hey man! What happened to your 6112 & 5160 video? I tried to check it out, but instead It directed me to Amazon. Can you please fix this problem? I hope your as responsive as Camburb! Lol. No, but seriously! 🐺

[@Tundra4x4Club]

+scubbarookie it seems to be working ok. Not sure what could make it do that. I just clicked on the kzbin.info/www/bejne/lX6tXp19mJiHiLs

[@KevinHuff23]

Why did he have so much trouble with a Bilstein 6112/5160 kit? There are a half dozen UCA that work amazingly well with that kit! ICON, BDS, JBA Offroad, Total Chaos, MCM Fab, SPC, etc all are more than adjustable enough!

[@dowers44]

Have you ever bought an icon stage 8 or a camburg kit or even a king kit?

[@dowers44]

He is helping people that buy these kits.

[@KevinHuff23]

@@dowers44 I have installed or owned virtually every kit made for the Tundra, from Icon, Camburg, Bilstein, ADS, Elka, Toytec, BDS, Fox, etc.

[@joshgonzalez2112]

Been thinking about getting the UCA with the 1.5 uniball or delta joint.

[@Tundra4x4Club]

+Josh Gonzalez that’s a great choice. What kind of lift and other suspension work are you running?

[@joshgonzalez2112]

Just mild upgrade, Fox 2.0 w/res rear and 2.5 fox coils w/o. CB shackles. I was able to fit 34.5 tires 285/65/20.

[@FlipRyder21]

what's the name of the alignment shop?

[@derangd3339]

I do all my KZbin watching in the 91 lol

[@flavrdPnut]

So from all this talk what I understand is either buy standard camburgs and take a chance on alignment or buy the super expensive camburgs to confirm all will be well ooooooor buy SPC’s for half the price and also confirm the alignment will be fine...🤔

[@bikerevolutiontv]

Great story

[@sscott5340]

Brother- shorten your vids up, people want info, small back story- NOT your day to day life story 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@davidlastname1315]

Can you make a 3-4min version of this without all of the stories and logistics? thx

[@caseyjoe4827]

Hey can I find out what size lift you have??

[@hannahssong]

great video! Thanks for the great info. Did you upgrade your tie rod?

[@jreca]

How do they compare to Total Chaos?

[@tbgtbg6311]

Would be nice to know what the solutions were. That is really the crux.

[@kirkdunn1379]

Why not have Camburg set it up?

[@Ethan-um7cp]

I think he lost his tampon at 3 min. Good luck finding info after that.

[@NYskyHI]

What was the underlying issue?

[@atombomb6719]

Tie rods??? 🙈

[@robertmedrano1224]

I dont have camburg UCA but I do have pro comp uniball UCA with an icon coilover 6" lift. But for some reason my alignment is worst with the after market arms than what I Did with stock? my camber is off about -2, -2.5 and it seems like no one is able to help... any ideas??? This situation bugs me a lot because I feel like my tundra hurting...

[@Tundra4x4Club]

+Robert Medrano hey Robert, I’ve been there and have felt your pain. I think half the reason I made this video was to show the difference of the Heim joint kenetik arms. What are your other alignment numbers? I can probably point you in the right direction as I feel I’ve been through it all.

[@camburgracing]

The Procomp kit uses a drop down bracket set up for the geometry of the stock arm. When you lift or Level a Toyota with a coilover only the camber goes positive so we make the upper arms slightly shorter than the stock arms. This corrects the camber. If you run an aftermarket arm with a dropdown style lift kit you will be having negative camber in the range you mentioned. This is where our heim pivot billet arms will work and correct this.

[@Amayi1]

@@camburgracing 2010 Tundra here, doing Fox coilovers and Fox rears, with Kinetik Billet UCA. Why? Because Camburg is the best.

[@niko6743]

Imagine riding along with him on a road trip....

[@Tundra4x4Club]

I know right?, I would talk your ear off. At the same time, you did watch the video without having to. So maybe a road trip wouldn’t be so bad.

[@montemurray4513]

People tell me I drag out a story too long LOL I feel better now

[@dirttales]

So no other control arm companies will correct their mistake? Got it! You could have at least compared them to one other brand... I'm sure the JBA's I just ordered will be fine..

[@viixiconik]

BDS upper control arm? help.

[@Nitro91]

When i put my 8 in superlift on my seirra i had to cut the tire rods also and they gave me a tool to recthread it. its pretty common with bigger lift kits.

[@victorrobinson7850]

What year is your truck?

[@Tundra4x4Club]

+Victor Robinson 2015.

[@Da808Boii]

Camburgs were cool, the SPC are much better imo.

[@danalove6868]

I had a question I'm looking for control arm for my car it's the lower right I don't know which brand is good do you know which brands are good

[@MaucTopa]

What vehicle? Stock performance or for off roading?

[@rcz2023]

👍

[@scionid]

Challenge accepted. 6-7 calls, zero answer..

[@puppetmaster8106]

SPC UCA

[@calripson]

A one minute conversation in 28:11.

[@billpeirce7127]

I would never by Camburg upper control arm based on this vedio. If you have to hv camburg install their upper control arm and no one else can,,,, why the hell would you ever want to buy them ever!!!!! Thanks. Never will buy them ever!!!! 😁👍👍👍👍👍

[@Tommy602Tran]

Camburgs always have too much caster, the tubular arms they have are all that way. Kinetics can be adjusted but if you dont want to spend $1300 on arms get icon tubular UCA's always on the money for alignment... SPC and JBA are weak compared to the others, maybe fine on a lighter truck but not trusting my 6000lb truck to one of those 2 for real off-road.

[@KevinHuff23]

JBA is weak? What?

[@Tommy602Tran]

Yeah 2 flanges and 4 small bolts in single shear... I prefer pressed in joints like a uniball or delta joint

[@KevinHuff23]

@@Tommy602Tran Way too noisy for me!

[@Tommy602Tran]

@@KevinHuff23 noisy? Mine aren't noisy at all... Incorrect install or lack of service/ neglect will allow anything to get noisy

[@johnnybrock4901]

I think you mean camber is off not caster.

[@tylercurtis265]

Damn I fell asleep half way through this. Next vid

[@saddletramp6245]

This video could have been done in less than 5:00 minutes, & covered all relevant info.

[@KevinHuff23]

You STRAIGHT UP got suckered into buying $1200 billet UCAs to fix a problem you could have fixed with $550 SPC UCAs!

[@scottballin3798]

Camburg looks cool but SPC kicks their ass !!!

[@blackwaterlotus8124]

Actually SPC doesn't kick Camburg's ass. Oh and SPC...made in China.

[@proofofpurchase747]

Camburg stayed on the phone with you because you probably wouldn't let them get off the call... You know you talk too much when you admit that you're boring yourself.

[@Tundra4x4Club]

And yet, you watched!!! Lol. Troll.

[@sbustamante2]

Looks like imperial county

[@dowers44]

They will pick up the phone... I know

[@Tyler.flynn.16]

Don't buy a truck on Friday.... haha wtf

[@Samophlan]

Built on a Friday.

[@thecoffee9478]

I couldn't finish watching this endless rambling, 28 minutes of babbling for 5 minutes worth of actual content. I'm sure there is some good information in there somewhere but it got lost in the clutter.

[@scottballin3798]

I did my homework to the extreme.... I went with SPC upper control arms... flawless engineering...eccellent components ...eccellent choice.... SPC also has excellent customer service tech ... and the components were so excellent that my mechanic did not even need to call the tech ....SPC RULEZ ---- TO HELL WITH THE REST !!! .

[@Tundra4x4Club]

And...your caster number is...????

[@donjuan1212]

Or just buy BDS uca's

[@cherishctz]

This video makes me turn away from this company ! Quality control! If their product was made in spc , he would not go through all these experience 🙄

[@MaucTopa]

Should have asked your wife's boyfriend about uca advice

[@drainmonkeys385]

I’d rather push my Raptor than drive a Toyota

[@Elkski84]

You lost me at bilstein

[@DavidRamirez-fe5dd]

So basically camburg standard arms suck. Buy the dirt king adjustable uca's. When upgrading always go with adjustable skip the cheap crap.

[@knightryderbelow]

Worst case scenario!

[@salifuharuna6849]

You talk too much. All for what?