know your worth as a creator | never take jobs that do not benefit you

[@wilteduk007]

You need to be straight to the point. If someone contacts me, I say what do you want? I ask the questions to get to the point within 5 minutes, I can then make my mind up there and then. I'm not one for getting my time wasted on someone else's dreams. You were way too polite.

[@chrishilton6378]

"But here's the thing, I don't care about this... " That was gold! 😅

[@RyanTroy]

😂😂

[@stkuj]

I totally hear ya! I constantly get hit up by "models" (or any non-photog) to shoot them. I ask myself "what's in it for me"? As a photographer, the "model" is getting all the benefit if there's nothing for you to gain.

[@RyanTroy]

Thank you!!!

[@visionz_n_media]

I can definitely relate to this story. I've had rappers contact me to shoot their lifestyles and branding content for exposure. I've even had OF ppl contact me to shoot their videos for exposure. They always get upset when you turn it down and try to show you how bad of a decision you're making 🤦🏽‍♂️.

[@RyanTroy]

they really be thinking we need them

[@LMoProVisualComm]

I call her CLIENT TYPE #12 "the you should be so lucky to know me client" They simply want the status quo to switch to them knowing you have the leverage.

[@RyanTroy]

Exactly

[@RALCommunications]

Long story short: had a pastor hit me up Saturday about doing a shoot at the airport for his church guest at 2pm but also wanted me to come to church that night from 6pm to 11pm to cover that event. When I hit him with the 2 event price, he said "I'll call you back tomorrow ".... ......i guess tomorrow ain't coming 🤷🏾‍♂️. I'm not one of his members and your title carries no weight here. When people don't respect what you do, they want you respect what they do to do it for a discount/free. .........Standard Rates Apply to all

[@RyanTroy]

I agree! I went through the same thing with a church event. and i gave a discount because he made it seem like they didnt have much money and i felt i was doing the right thing.. so my plan was.. I made these quick business cards at Office Depot with a QR Code of the gallery and i would sell the downloaded images on it to recoup some of the money back. but when i got there they didnt want me to hand out cards because they were charging people to take photos in front of this wall with the event name on it. 5 dollars a photo which they would bring to the church in two weeks.. they made sooooo much money.. these church folks don't be playing!

[@RALCommunications]

@@RyanTroy moral of the story: if you don't make money off them, they will make money off you🤷🏾‍♂️🤣😂

[@bryanthomas007]

Good for you!!!! Those types of collaboration very rarely benefits the photographer!!! Know your worth.

[@RyanTroy]

facts bro!

[@IMDABROWN]

Dang. you might have inspired me to start telling all my hostage situations. thanks man

[@RyanTroy]

lol tell them all!!!

[@paigeofstylez]

Ryan's Sunday photography lessons is in full effect 🙏🏿💪🏿🙏🏿💪🏿

[@nda42831]

7:07 the way my bank account/ bills works, they only accept currency like cash, credit cards, mobile pay, etc.🤣

[@RyanTroy]

Righttttt.

[@felm.974]

I feel you man. Same here, I couple of months ago a lady wanted me to do portraits twice a month for freakin $80 each, oh, and I would have had to take like 3 trains to get to her... smh.. people out here are diabolical, just trying to take advantage of people.... I declined, and with all of this, I learned a few lessons, #1 stop being Mr. Nice Guy, #2 don't lower your price for almost anyone, and #3 charge a commuting fee. It is tough out here but like you said, stick to your guns, and only do jobs that benefit you, if they don't like your conditions or your prices, let them go.

[@RyanTroy]

Yes sirrrr i have that travel fee for anywhere outside of my county.

[@waynerm002]

LOL! I'm sure she felt she was doing you a favor. Sometimes it's hard for people to get that while they are excited about a thing, it doesn't mean everybody they tell will feel the same.

[@RyanTroy]

exactly! everybody seems to feel like every idea they have is this million dollar idea that no one has thought of before

[@dalontekeemer6665]

your stories are wild Ryan! how do you keep having encounters with these type of people??? LOL

[@RyanTroy]

Honestly i think i am too accessible to too many people that i shouldn't

[@MonteWeaverofficial]

Bro .. "I don't care about this ..." I've said that so many times for those "barter" deals ... if we're going to exchange services, it has to be mutually beneficial

[@RyanTroy]

exactly! and thats the only point i was trying to make to her

[@veephotography0610]

Bruh you should have wrapped that conversation up in 5-10 mins tops. 😂😂

[@AKMDUB]

Audacity is at an all time high!

[@RyanTroy]

all time!

[@photographybydash]

Good afternoon! I know the feeling, I think you overcompensated your time with her lol. That could have been a consultation call lol. Great video and message. Hope all is well on your end!

[@RyanTroy]

Exactly!! everything is great! hopefully you are doing great as well!

[@creative.lights]

Your first mistake: and I mean your ABSOLUTE FIRST mistake was not asking her to send a comprehensive EMAIL about what she wants and what are the benefits gained by both her and you. NEVER pick up the phone unless you’ve gone past that stage. You’ll weed out a lot by getting people to write out everything upfront. She was trying to scam you so she needed you on that line to finesse you into doing something that doesn’t benefit you.

[@RyanTroy]

This!!!! this is what i need to be doing to be honest.

[@creative.lights]

@@RyanTroy It saves you a lot of wasted time that you'll never get back. Professionals will always have a clear goal that they can email over to you. It also serves as a record should there be any miscommunications later on down the pipeline. If someone reaches out to you in the future to collaborate, just as them to send a short email with the top-level details of the proposed relationship. You can always call after the fact to tweak the finer points once you agree with what you've read.

[@csc-photo]

"Well then what do you want?" "Money in exchange for my services." 😆

[@RyanTroy]

lmaoo!

[@Pantheragem]

I'll do anything for free toothpaste.

[@RyanTroy]

Lmaoool 😂😂😂

[@Pantheragem]

@@RyanTroy 😆

[@uhoh7541]

Free beer here!!!! Maybe the trainer if i ever start getting a beer gut, but good as of now😂

[@marcusbeasley3212]

You basically should've just told this person. "I can't pay my rent with this" and quickly squashed it 🤣

[@RyanTroy]

lol i honestly just dont like to crush people dreams but i know the feeling about being excited about something. I wouldnt have even mind helping with somethings as well but it was just the way she was so offended that i didnt look at what she was offering as something of value for me that made it all go left

[@germancreatives88]

This!

[@paigeofstylez]

Let's goooooo

[@lonbecks]

Your prescription of her page and her attitude shows she can't sell. She needs to get some training. Her business will fail otherwise. The amount of "herbalists".🙄

[@RyanTroy]

that is true!