Knowing the limits of your Focus ST | Edge Autosport

[@richhanewald]

For someone that just picked up a 2018 ST, and wanted answers before modding, this is exactly what I needed. I'll be purchasing from you guys soon. thanks much

[@EdgeAutosport]

You got it! Thanks for the comment and we're happy to help.

[@andresrodriguez1280]

Get everything from them they have the best prices 🙌

[@lochlannelson1901]

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[@darielhayes5547]

@Lochlan Nelson definitely, been using InstaFlixxer for since december myself =)

[@xXDONSHOXx]

I’ve been looking into to buying an ST for the last few months. Watching this channel and getting to hear from the tuner himself really makes me feel 1,000,000 more comfortable with the tuning and modding process. Thank you guys. Will be coming to you with everything

[@EdgeAutosport]

Love that, Welcome aboard!

[@daniellewis4283]

That intro was money.

[@buffalosoldier7686]

Am I trying to make my st faster? No. Am I going to watch this video to learn more about my platform and the limitations of it's drivetrain? Oh yeah 👍 great video brother

[@EdgeAutosport]

Either way, happy to have you here - thanks for the watch!

[@darrendelgado9819]

What about a video of supporting mods you are going to need at different power levels? Like clutches, axels, internal, and so on?

[@subparsurfer2860]

Yes plz

[@Paper.Power.Politics]

STs platform is well known to be reliable at 600-680whp! With supporting mods, and the only thing that is limiting going past 680whp is the factory sleeves, if it wasn’t for the factory sleeves could go 700whp+ specially with a 2.3head. And port injection .

[@ernestocantu3419]

Greatest video ever, you got me to sub

[@GreyFocus]

Yeaaaaaah, the first limit is 100% real for me 😂😂😂😂

[@ItchesIt]

At what point do you need forged/better internals for the engine? Never mind, you answered it!

[@Andy-Andeee]

Indispensable information. Can you do more videos on the Focus RS 💪🏻

[@randellgribben9772]

Any idea about the 14 ford fusion,2.0 vep engine?

[@gilserna4481]

Xdi injector installation video please 🙏....

[@richardlapoint1845]

Look it up on youtube, i just saw one the other day.

[@christiaaanmr-7978]

I go to the dyno and my st hit 275hp and 337tq it is fbo and stock turbo but i hit that with 93oct and a cobbaccesport stage 2 with 20psi

[@crosstolerance]

93 octane is hard to find in my area.

[@jakespeakman6991]

So happy I found you guy !

[@EdgeAutosport]

Happy to have you here, make sure to subscribe so you get all new video notifications!

[@jakespeakman6991]

@@EdgeAutosport just did

[@MWR-lg9qp]

Great information and breakdown.

[@ronnieronnie8549]

Be nice to see one done for my mk6 golf R.

[@NickelBackSimp]

Damn.. coming from the 124 spider community... i fucking love it here.

[@OoheavysackoO]

Al, are we talking at the crank or at the wheels as far as HP goes.

[@joshwilson5671]

WHP

[@mixedup859]

What is the limit for factory pistons and rods

[@TMTMS3]

That would fall in the 375 tq to 400tq range. You can push a bit further safely though it does depend a bit on the tune. As you go over 400, reliability starts to decrease.

[@dcboy75]

I know plenty of st’s that have over 300hp on the stock turbo

[@huntergray2351]

I have a 14 st with a Garrett g30 770 w a full atp kit and I’m making 515whp

[@samtheman1652]

How long did your stock block last ?

[@UGFluffyTurtle]

Tbh, I love my ST and I do get compliments from women. Its a different kind of compliment like its a "cute car" since its so compact and not exactly the most aggressive. But that's what makes it so nice. Unless others know its a hot hatch, its almost a sleeper. Except when it comes to the exhaust. I'm ready to shell out money for a Mountune engine and transmission in the future. Its fun to drive and not as bulky as the more popular sports cars in the US. It's also got fuel efficiency if its not modded to all hell. The biggest plus is that its suuuper easy to work on.

[@mr.campsalot6465]

Are the stock axles on the ST good for the low 300s?

[@joshwilson5671]

Stock axles will hold over 600whp. We Don’t see many axle failures

[@Meaty_taco]

Ok cool.... Can we pls get a video like this for project fc3!!!!

[@reedstemmons775]

Can you feel the difference in 50hp in the ST platform? 250 -> 300. Trying to figure out if it’s worth it. Or if I shouldn’t do anything and keep is stock for reliability. Thanks!!!

[@EdgeAutosport]

Without a doubt. It'll feel like more than that too because you're actually increasing the torque even more

[@jonward9254]

In the beginning you mentioned nitrous to get past 300 hp with stock turbo. Where can I find information in regards to doing that? I have looked but I can’t find much information.

[@Whiteshoe5]

How much power do you think I can make with the bnr 2867 with the xdi pump and injectors? Is it possibly to make over 400 on full e85?

[@AMAR-ym7sz]

My ST is basically an alternative to driving a Civic or Corolla. That being said, because it's not a GT3 RS, I am only as serious about it as what can be done with the stock turbo. I am fine with the 270 hp on a cheap FWD daily driver. What exactly are the mods used to arrive at that max 270 HP figure?

[@THEAVERAGEGAMER13]

Filter intercooler and downpipe I believe

[@mrben522]

Most important is FMIC and a tune. Intake is nice to have for whooshy sounds but not necessary on stock turbo. hi flow cat/no cat downpipe is the last step there (no cat will smell like burnt gas when you're driving) but I would say 75% of your gains will just be from the tune

[@micahbarnette5778]

Have you looked into the possibility of installing a 17+3.5 hpfp or a 18+ 5.0 hpfp vs going with the $1600 xdi extreme pumps?

[@RickyRicky1290]

Can u do this for a focus RS possibly 🤔

[@philipcoleman3381]

How many of these parts can also be used on a 2018 Ford Edge SEL with the same engine?

[@joshwilson5671]

Heads are different twin scroll(it’s a second gen 2.0) 13-18 ST’s are single scroll

[@Boostedlos]

So I have a fusion with the 2.0, garret 3071 r on 2 port stock block what would be the very max i can push do you think ?

[@kvnndvn]

Do you guys have an actual shop? If so where are you all located?

[@EdgeAutosport]

Yes we do! We are just outside of Denver in Colorado. We don't work on customer cars here, just our projects for product testing, but we do love to offer discounts on used parts for our local friends

[@COYOTE_N8]

So is xdi the only option out there for hpfp on the st. I have a ms3 with 427whp but I'm buying an St so just curious

[@bhearts77]

how about the clutch or transmission.

[@Takudragon]

Will the stock fuel pump handle the E30 mix without issues?

[@pawdre5151]

I’ve ran it off and on for a year with no issues.

[@wayneholderbee1734]

Will these upgrades work on my 19 escape with 2.0 twin scroll turbo?

[@stupidkid6581]

Don't even waste your money

[@Darkstar18773]

Yes

[@no_filter_truth5542]

Great informative content....

[@Fordfocusstmk3250]

Ino an engine can go bang at any point but what would you say would be safe without a rebuild?

[@captainhellhound7451]

400+ hp is considered the danger zone where you WILL need a rebuild. The stock internals can take it for a tiny bit, some people run 450 on stock internals for a long time, most don’t. I sent him an email to ask and 350whp at 150k is still safe as long as your engine is healthy. Plus since it moves the boost threshold and power up, your less likely to get LSPI.

[@Fordfocusstmk3250]

@@captainhellhound7451 Thankyou mate

[@victorlopes9960]

Great videos... you've never mentioned intercooler upgrades. Can you please let us know what hp limit we could expect from a stock turbo with upgraded intercooler set-up.

[@chriswild8585]

Fbo fmic intake and exhaust and tune ive heard someone pushing 305 bhp your not gona get much more than that with stock turbo m8 thats crank hp

[@ToxicMinecraftV2]

ive been trying to decide between a 2015+ wrx or an ST, I like the awd of the WRX but im kinda of worried about the reliablity of the fa20. But ive known fwd all my life and am used to it so im kinda of leaning towards the STmore. Its hard because if I go one over the other i know ill have regrets but i just dont know which one to go with honestly.

[@EdgeAutosport]

The FA20 is more reliable than the EJ series engines. I wouldn't worry about that being a huge factor compared to the ST. Both are great platforms for modding and making solid power with the stock engine.

[@clowns76]

What if you add a second bigger turbo to the system

[@EdgeAutosport]

That doesn't really make sense for the ecoboost, but sequential turbos have worked well for I-6 motors etc. If you have questions regarding your goals, feel free to give us a call, we can offer you some guidance!

[@realforlife4255]

What should I do first if I want to be at 300hp? This is my first turbo car I was thinking maybe a air in take, different spark plugs, a down pipe and a tune with 91 or 93

[@EdgeAutosport]

If you want 300hp, you should check out our more recent video with the Garrett Powermax turbo. The stock turbo doesn't safely/reliably/practically go that far.

[@mtyway148]

Alright Stock Turbo max 300 HP but WHP or Engine HP ? what about limits HP of stock engine st mk3 , how much is it ? Heard about something 330 Engine HP before blowing something ?

[@chrisdunn6376]

Great vid. if u upgrade you fuel system (pump and injectors) on the stock turbo can u go past 300 on pump fuel. Thanks

[@victorbuzatu2459]

Hello man, what about internals like pistons and rods ? I just break my piston nr 2 .... car mods are: 100k km, wagner competition fmic, injen cold air intake kit, decat downpipe magnaflow, gfb blow off valve, denso one step cold spark plugs itv22 gap 0.3mm and Revo stage 2 soft. What could be the problem....

[@interceptingfist5682]

Terrible tune

[@BigTurboTrucker]

Just bought a BNR ST3071R from y'all earlier today, as it sits my ST has the Mountune MR300 package plus a couple other things, so all in all it has Intake, catless dp, catback, boomba BoV, 1 step colder spark plugs, & big FMIC, what do y'all think my limit would be as of now? I know 3071R is more turbo than I need, but I figured better to be low boost on big turbo than high boost on small turbo for reliability sake

[@wickedwonderingdream]

Where u guys located

[@pauljamieson803]

Can you do the same thing with the Focus RS?

[@EdgeAutosport]

I'll talk to Alan

[@brandonbaird1407]

I hope to be tuned by you soon I have 3076 atmosphere kit with 4 port aux I’m hoping for 400+ whp

[@EdgeAutosport]

Well as long as the car is healthy, that's going to be a piece of cake! Looking forward to it!

[@kennethelliott5985]

That's why you use borgwarner efr turbos

[@MikeDixonFilms]

Awesome video! You guys have fantastic production quality and deserve tons more views/subs. I wanted to ask: If I run just Water Meth Injection on the stock turbo with no ethanol blended, can I expect to creep up to that 300hp limit (as an ethanol blend tune might)? Thank you!

[@EdgeAutosport]

I honestly don't know. Alan would know better. But I assume you can get pretty close probably. If you used both, it's more likely.

[@caperformance_motorsports]

No need to run meth with Ethanol.. we (the high performance industry) moved to ethanol fuels from methanol injection due to common issues with unequal distribution, it’s extremely corrosive to aluminum parts ect . From a professional tuner , builder stand point is use one or the other . You shouldn’t need both nor would you gain anything using both with the right tune/tuner on e50/e85 .

[@caperformance_motorsports]

To answer your question simply methanol and pump 93 has gotten me over 500hp in my dsm’s time and time again . So it’s possible you could near the 300 mark but it depends on the tune , air /humidity ect

[@steezy_fc1]

Awesome video, maybe one can be done for the Civic Si.

[@DrFumesta]

lol

[@L3GACYxiNsTiiNcT]

So back to the stock block limitations at 375whp-450whp What are the recommended Modifications That Should Be Done At This Point? Considering it's a Daily Driver As in Keyed Crank Pistons, Rods, Head studs , What should be done at this point If you want to proceed from 375 into the 550 range

[@chrispridgen2008]

Might be a stupid question but, at what point should you introduce E85? Can the stock fuel system handle it?

[@TMTMS3]

The stock fuel system can handle low ethanol blends, up to 30%. Anymore than that taxes the fuel system too much and you'll have to sacrifice airflow/power to run higher blends. You can see gains on the stock fuel system ST with E30 completely stock and with upgraded turbos though so it is definitely worth it.

[@bobbydouglas16]

500whp on a 2 port?

[@EdgeAutosport]

You can get there.

[@bobbydouglas16]

@@EdgeAutosport on e50? What size injectors ?

[@samtheman1652]

Whats the engines limit mechanical wise ? Lol is 380hp and torque pushing the reliability?

[@EdgeAutosport]

Mechanically, it seems not to like 450whp+. Not many engines can make run after run at this level. The end comes fairly quickly.

[@onlineplatforms6422]

Are U.S. cars a different spec. Plenty of people here run remapped cars on the standard turbo and super plus petrol that will take you over 300bhp on a daily driver 🤔

[@gabrielreyes6393]

Whats your opinion on Nitrous for this platform?

[@TMTMS3]

I am pro Nitrous as long as you have the budget to build the motor should something go wrong. I've tuned a couple ST's on Nitrous with decent results. You just have to be careful and know what you are doing. I highly recommend nitrous controllers over the good old button too. This will make it safer from a tuning perspective.

[@oceanhome2023]

I want some more power out my 2018 Focus ST , so far I improved the air box and the suggested air filter I have an OBX cated down pipe and I am running a Nice FlowMaster exhaust, I have a Quaif LSD (because I can NEVER live without one ) and it is the only way I can launch my Zodiac on slippery boat ramps ! I can’t recommend enough a LSD ! I enjoy the extra performance but I want more performance that I can feel will I get that with a bigger and better intercooler, cooler plugs and a Cobb tune ? I definitely want to go with your products and especially your advice ! Would these last upgrades be worth while ? I am also considering a water/alcohol intercooler sprayer is that worth considering ?

[@pawdre5151]

A intercooler is a must the heat soak on the stock intercooler is horrendous, the step colder plugs are definitely better then stock preventing less knock, and for WMI it can definitely gain some power at the same time maintaining those dirty valves. I would not personally run Cobb OTS tunes for long term, Alan at edgeautosports will provide a much more safe but effective tune for your build.

[@pawdre5151]

You can also look into some E85 to see if it’s in your area, if so you’ll be able to run E30 in your tank which is pretty fun.

[@___Blessing]

From my African experience I think the intercooler is the first limit.

[@airking2392]

Now do this for the FC3

[@focusforlife]

What's your take on putting a big turbo on a 100k mile motor? Rolling grenade or still reliable enough for a daily depend on driver habits?

[@richardlapoint1845]

I wouldnt push it hard if you do

[@JohnnyWhytetrash]

Miles don't matter. Compression does.

[@TMTMS3]

I’ve tuned plenty of 100k plus mile BT ST’s. As long as you take care of it maintenance wise, you’ll be fine.

[@bacchusthompson5834]

@@TMTMS3 that was my concern... I have about 130k on mine and still on stock factory clutch. What is a healthy compression reading for the ST engines? I want to have that done before I decide to upgrade the Turbo... Stage 3 FBO right now.

[@TMTMS3]

@@bacchusthompson5834 healthy compression at sea level should be around 160 to 170. At higher altitudes like where we are, 130 to 140 is more normal. The clutch is iffy when upgrading the turbo. Usually though, if you are not launching, it should be okay.

[@KevDao]

Where is the blow off valve limitation?

[@samintrepid]

Can you make a video Alan with the 2867r Gen2 and Deatwreak 1700cc fuel injector and OEM fuel pump ?

[@TMTMS3]

I’m not a fan of the DW 1700’s. I have only tuned a couple cars with them and they don’t seem to run very well. I’ve heard this from other tuners also. I don’t think they give much in terms of gains on stock fuel pump either. You would be better off just upgrading the HPFP for starters. The DW 1700’s may work better with the upgraded hpfp, but I have not come across that combo yet.

[@scottpearce7466]

No such thing as cheating when in the hunt for reliable H.P. 😊

[@euan7260]

Unless this is wheel horse power then maybe this is correct

[@johnlefever3220]

With shit 91 pump and say a gtx2867r gen 2 turbo max hp with stock fuel limitations would be around 350-375? I don’t plan on doing anything with fueling and only have 91 garbage here in democratic ran California, what turbo would be best for me your opinion.. Thanks! Love your content keep it up

[@EdgeAutosport]

I would check out a recent video we did about the GTX2860 Gen2. Sweet turbo for anyone that isn't going past the stock fuel limitations. But a 2867 would be great too and leave some headroom.

[@johnlefever3220]

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[@johnlefever3220]

This is the sku for the 2860r, is this the gen 2?

[@johnlefever3220]

@@EdgeAutosport what’s the difference between a gtx2860rsvsGen2

[@euan7260]

The 300bhp limit is bullshit, I have a mk3 running 296bhp and 555nm and the only bolt ons I have are a turbo smart recirc, air filter, de res, cold step 1 spark plugs and that’s IT!

[@marcelchenevert7251]

Do this for 10th gen civic si. Hahaha women was a limit 😂🤣

[@steedax473]

Lmfao EFF that bicycle

[@VAspeed3]

First limitation is WOMEN. Hilarious, yet sadly true. I'm married, so that doesn't matter any more.

[@wxvyocean300]

I'm the first :)

[@andresv8856]

No engine work for all that horsepower