Knulli vs muOS: The REAL Comparison!

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It's time we talk about the Batocera fork Knulli on the Anbernic RG35XXSP, and while we're at it we're going to take a look at the latest update to muOS which just got an SP-specific build! We're going to pit muOS vs Knulli in a head to head, after covering how to install Knulli on the SP, and update to the latest muOS build on your SP.
Boot times
Knulli: 00:29.69
muOS: 00:15.50
*Update 1: A member of the Knulli Discord informed me that Stardew should work on Knulli as well, so if you have issues reach out there to find out more :)
*Update 2: I've been informed that new muOS documentation is in development: mustardos.github.io/docs/
Knulli website: knulli.org/
muOS website: muos.dev/start
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0:00 CFW on the SP rocks
0:14 Let's talk about Knulli and the recent muOS update
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01:36 How to install Knulli
02:22 How to load our games into Knulli
03:04 Pros and cons of Knulli
05:14 muOS recent update improvements
05:27 How to update muOS to the new build
06:11 Knulli vs muOS prize fight
06:41 Round 1: Emulation power, smoothness, and configurability
08:06 Round 2: "Console Mode" - HDMI out and Bluetooth controllers
09:33 Round 3: Hinge support
09:41 Round 4: Network accessibility
10:20 Round 5: Theming and design
11:05 Round 6: Ports
11:20 Round 7: Documentation
12:23 Final score and thoughts
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[@TechDweeb]

Amazing viddy! Being able to bring my curated rom sets and game lists with all my personal metadata and favourites list is what keeps me on Knulli, even though I'd much prefer the portmaster compatibility on MuOS.

[@jwill7998]

I came here right after watching your C64 video. You should do a video on a modded 3DS. There's a lot you can do with one.

[@jeffreypeters5578]

Came after his new GBA hidden gems vid lol.TechDweeb you got some many dang handhelds it don't matter to you lol

[@KingKalos5th]

Great video! Informative and backed up with just enough data. Thanks!

[@JohnathanGG]

Thanks for the info. Just got my RG35XXsp and this was helpful, so I subbed.

[@CoulterPeterson]

Much appreciated :)

[@HandheldHorizon]

I have tried both and have to say while knulli is very aesthetically pleasing, it still has many bugs that need squashing. For now I’m running with MuOS on both the XXH and SP

[@BornIntoThis20]

What are the bugs on Knulli on the 35xxh? Did you compare it with muOs performance wise in games?

[@HandheldHorizon]

@@BornIntoThis20 I ran into a couple issues with the front end not launching games/libraries for seemingly no reason, Knulli overwriting RetroArch settings even after updating override files, and generally speaking MuOS does seem to be more light weight so games run slightly better in most cases

[@CP-to5nx]

Love your video BUT have to disagree with your assessment. MuOS is far beyond more developed than Knulli. Too many bugs, more than half of the PSP library does not play or crashes at title screen for example GOW:COO. N64 is terrible on Knulli even with the remapping of controls. The public release version of Knulli needs alot of work and if you do not know how to tinker with settings, then this would not be for you. I personally love MuOS and will be sticking with it until I see the improvements on Knulli. I do love what the devs are doing with Knulli but it's not there yet unless you want to donate and get the the alpha releases of this front which I hear run much better than the public release.

[@morid0]

Was very hyped with knulli, but will wait a bit, even the batocera beta version is much more stable, with knulli some Naomi/Dreamcast games crashed, also but worst performance on some games, not to mention had to use a second SD card since it's a pain to copy roms :/ I know it is because of postmaster but it really annoyed the hell out of me, even using network the damn thing doesn't correctly sets the share partition or at least didnt for me so trying to copy roms i was only able to store them on the small partition..

[@shaneshanekavanagh]

That hinge support is a deal breaker for me. Thank you for all your hardwork! Will be mad to play stardew with this form factor.

[@Rexmarek]

@@shaneshanekavanagh they just added hinge support in the latest update!

[@DereIict]

7:28 This little few seconds of information was huge for me, thank you. N64 runs great on Knulli w/ Mupen64 Rice core on the SP, but I didn't understand the control layout .. now I know what file to edit, spent a few minutes changing it in notepad to your layout (triggers for C L+R, X A for C U+D), and now comfortably know all the controls when playing. Played DK64 for a few hours w this and now I really enjoy N64 on the SP

[@chronictron]

Any help in remapping the controller for N64 from the rg35xxsp itself? Been loving the system but getting anything working w/a thumb stick I'm having issues :(

[@corsinivideos]

Is Nintendo DS performance improved on any of these? Can it run in 3D mode with out poor performance?

[@livehard1865]

Thank you! This is very helpful.

[@sjab5987]

I love Knulli. I hope they're able to fix the portmaster issues, that's the only thing enticing me towards muOS

[@MasterDuelCentral]

So far it seems to me like the anbernic os is still the most seemless experience on the sp. The community projects are getting close though.

[@imneveruploadinghere7180]

The only advantage of Stock over MuOS right now is Retroachievements on stock has images. Every other feature between the two is in a state of parity imo.

[@AP101083]

Anbernic official OS is the better one of the 3x you can now even update it with 64 bit version and you can play many PORT games like CELESTE, Turtles SHredder Revenve, GTA 3 etc. Automatic Save when you close it, Power Buttong Switch from Dpad to Analogue Stick, easy switch to choose to many cores to play games and super many extra emultors compatible... sorry but in this case I would never update the XX series with CFW

[@nunits]

the important question. Dreamcast performs the same as stock?

[@Rexmarek]

FYI, Knulli has just released hinge support for the RG35XXSP!

[@alinepiroutek8932]

Wow

[@spencerpeterson3796]

Ya know, those hinges are kind of cool. I was in my strong 2ds position for the longest time, but maybe hinges are helpful. Something to chew on. Good video!

[@CoulterPeterson]

😂

[@walled_city_98]

great video! still don't know which one to go with, but great video nonetheless :') which do you run primarily? (I'd be using the RG35XX H)

[@CoulterPeterson]

Haha I'm still on the fence but I'll probably keep rocking muOS since I've got more experience with that OS, but I very well may jump around since both are great!

[@RGGeek]

The 2 things I was most curious about weren't covered in this video: Bluetooth audio support and native PICO-8 Splore support. Anyone know?

[@RGGeek]

So, I got too curious and researched it myself and from what I can tell by documentation on both systems, they both support both, yay!

[@RGGeek]

So, seems my research was wrong. Apparently muOS doesn't support Bluetooth yet and while I was able to connect my AirPods to Knulli, I couldn't get any sound out of them. :-/

[@joaoluisparreira]

hinge support for knulli has now been released as well as many other improvements, including improved boot time

[@djh1455]

Knulli should get hinge support shortly, acmeplus mentioned on 6/29 he had a POC working. But a huge other one here, OTA updates and NOT REFLASHING YOUR SDCARD EACH TIME.

[@djh1455]

Given dedicated cores, is there any other advantage to MUOS? Mostly similar otherwise?

[@FS-zt6tm]

@@djh1455 not sure if it was mentioned in the video but boot times are significantly faster in MuOS

[@CoulterPeterson]

Mm good point on updates

[@leonboy9388]

Is there still the audio popping sounds when exiting? I think muOS had that.

[@CoulterPeterson]

Yea I've still noticed that a bit

[@mastigoz]

I have the H model and I love muos, it boots way faster and the new sleep mode is amazing. But the lack of bluetooth audio makes me go back to bato40 and knulli

[@NerdyByExample]

Do you have a discord or frequent any as a creator?

[@Agumon5]

What about for those of us who just have a regular 35XX plus or the H? I'm thinking Knulli huh?

[@mrgjames4065]

Does the knulli has the battery draining bug of batocera?

[@Snake_Pliskin]

Yes, it has

[@exodous02]

As soon as Knulli has hinge support I'll use it. I use Linux to interact with my retro handhelds anyway so EXT4 isn't a problem for me.

[@segagirladventurespico]

Your very good at hacking and modding Consoles and handhelds I have never done it because I don’t own a computer and also dont know how to do it lol I will subscribe maybe I will learn someday 😊

[@Nick-hz9no]

Great video, thanks for this. I'm curious though, did you test game performance? I've heard that MuOS uses 'something something' 64 bit, IDK... and so N64 and Dreamcast performance is much better on both MuOS and the stock firmware. This would be worth 2 points in my opinion! ;)

[@BillsOldandNewGaming]

I was going to use knulli on my sp as I enjoy batocera on my steam deck but I went for muOS just to keep things simpler for the sp.

[@ArtistCameron]

Just try Dreamcast with knulli against stock or muos...

[@davebirch2543]

Damn, I'd be keen for Knulli if it had the hinge support as it looks a lot more polished. ext4 formatting isn't a con for me as my daily driver pc is a linux machine running Pop! OS. I'll be keeping an eye out for future versions though.

[@joaoluisparreira]

hey, props fellow pop user excited for cosmic? also, hinge support has been added in the latest update cheers!

[@augosyx]

I’m a new owner to XX Plus with Knulli. I know they don’t play PSP and DC natively well but while I was doing some testing, L and R is non-existent on the PSP even with remapping, it didn’t say anything about that in their page either.

[@morid0]

Have you tried remaping directly on knulli and then also remaping on emulator? There are some cores that have some wonky keybinds not sure if knulli uses PPSSPP stand alone as default or the retroarch core. Anyhow personally I skip using PSP games on that device since no matter what aspect ratio you use it looks terrible, also N64 I've given up on emulation lol, just such a pain to configure the controls.

[@KonixEpyx]

I got Stardew Valley to work on Knulli, but I understand why you couldn't. I had to find the solution on the Knulli Discord server. You will have to replace libGL.so.1 and libEGL.so.1 with different versions of the files that were provided there. I get giving MuOS the point on that one, though!

[@CoulterPeterson]

Ahhh that's good to know thanks. I'm sure others in the comments will appreciate this

[@GolfTechie79]

Had to use 0.75 playback speed for Coulter, great comparison vid though will stick with Knulli.

[@siraxification]

I don't know how he talks so fast! Haha

[@mbrumm86]

Any firmware without emulation station themes is a deal breaker for me.

[@Snake_Pliskin]

I used both for some time and I have to say muOS is my choice. It's fast, I can name my roms folders whatever I want and I can config Retroarch the way I need. The only thing keeping muOS from beeing perfect is the lack of bluetooth. But soon...

[@CHICKENmcNUGGIESMydude]

tried both stuck with stock os lol

[@ekardt]

With Knulli (maybe this is Emulationstation's problem) I just had so many issues with default configurations. Especially the cores and latency settings. Games running very poorly, having poorly mapped controls, weird default hot keys and shortcuts, and had a lot of issues getting bezels and overlays to look good and work properly. The frontend is nice and the built in scraper (With videos) is amazing! But the actual core and game performance out of the box was just too poor and required too much configuring and tweaking. There were some GBA games I could not get running well no matter how much i tweaked it. Games that run flawlessly with no configuration changes on muOS. muOS lacks some creature comforts in the OS UI but default setting and performance for every game was amazing, and the default built in bezels and overlays reflecting the console you are playing were flawless too. I am still a little new to all this, so forgive me if I am off base. muOS required a little more effort to get things set up and started, but required almost 0 configuration for cores/latency/audio and controls. Actual gameplay was amazing compared to knulli. Maybe I am dumb and missed something.

[@nbonillarivera]

I just found MuOs to be more...stable and faster than Knulli.

[@zachbaudoin09]

How about boot time? Boot time is super important to me

[@CoulterPeterson]

Just added those numbers to the description, but tldr is muOS boots twice as fast ⚡

[@Fillentr]

MuOS boots up in 6.78 seconds from when the led light turns on for me, super neat.

[@STR82DVD]

I'm definitely Team muOS. Knulli just had way too many barriers to entry.

[@MrTomemac]

MuOS still has wonky hdmi support and the Bluetooth is laughable. Knulli wins.

[@nalaseap]

It’s a portable device. HDMI is not important. You’re not buying this as a home console. Bluetooth for what? The controls are integrated. If you’re using an external controller for this device, you really don’t have your priorities straight.

[@MrTomemac]

@@nalaseap We all use these differently. I have my use cases and I do dock it and play with my kids which is why BT support is necessary for my use case scenario. I am glad you don't seem to need it. But for those of us that do any CFW that can support it is appreciated.

[@FS-zt6tm]

@@MrTomemac BT support is coming to MuOS soon. HDMI support is probably going to be fixed soon too. Can't wait until knulli finally gets hinge support which should make for a more even ground to compare the two OS's

[@MrTomemac]

@@FS-zt6tm good to go for any cfw. Got 8 dedicated cards. 2 for stock, 2 for bato, 2 for MuOS and 2 for knulli. So far cause I play at home with the kids knulli is my go to. Stock has a serious power control error with the June update so not touching it atm. And Mu doesn’t let me play with the family. Bato became knulli so not using that one much either as knulli just works better.

[@FS-zt6tm]

should've made this video after knulli implements hinge support because it'll be an obvious deal breaker for many

[@nickmiller913]

My assumption is that it’s pronounced “Em-You”OS like emulation operating system.

[@FS-zt6tm]

it's actually short for mustard OS

[@nickmiller913]

@@FS-zt6tmwell, that makes sense… 🤔 I guess it goes with the Beans and refried beans theme.

[@todor_todorov]

knulli for genZ, muos for millennials

[@CoulterPeterson]

Lol I don't know why this makes sense but it does