Seven Deadly TCG Sins FOLLOWUP - ACCRETION and More!

[@Galaxyeyez]

Yugioh and not crediting their artists is a tale as old as time. Funny enough the OCG released an art book last year with the concepts and artist notes for the card art. But no artist credits anywhere it's honestly baffling

[@Ramsey276one]

Like Yomi from Sirlin Games? I want to find them!

[@lol0237]

@@Ramsey276one I'm pretty sure the artist for Yomi is the same person who did Codex, Puzzle Strike, and even portraits for the Fantasy Strike fighting game. You could probably ping Sirlin in his discord if you really wanna find out

[@gh0rochi363]

Which is crazy because the art is honestly amazing

[@Galaxyeyez]

@@gh0rochi363 Its really is. Btw realesed a second art book some months back. still no credits smh

[@thestealthplatypus5861]

I wish, I WISH Yu-Gi-Oh would credit their artists!

[@Acidonia150reborn]

Yet they gave Charmers their own Structure Deck that was all by same artist who also did the hand trap Ghost Girl cards and Kozmo was clearly by Genzoman.

[@Realsheepsoft]

I had never even realized how messed up that was until it was brought up in this video! Like, I have pokemon cards! I have seen the artist credit! What the heck konami!!! I don't even think Takahashi drew cards from the original run, since most of the cards that feature his art have been printed as special promos with that as a selling point!

[@agusdwiriyanto1854]

Especially for those who illustrate them loli cards in Yu-Gi-Oh...

[@nsolomons8361]

On card or a sepererate item? in packet

[@ZenoDLC]

@@nsolomons8361 Like a booster list with the artists' names on it? Sounds inefficient

[@ktvx.94]

Crediting artists is huge. As a kid I memorized the styles of the Pokemon illustrators that were featured regularly. Even nowadays I see one of their cards and recognize them nowadays. For a VERY long time, Mitsuhiro Arita has been my main reference as an artist, and I used to illustrate pokemon like in cards

[@ZoranTheSiegeTower]

I am okay with the script for the next seven deadly sins video being 8+ pages. I love this series!

[@Yinyanyeow]

If it is 20 plus...it will be awhile.

[@k.hibiki2175]

But the question is, will it be a single long video, or broken into parts?

[@Ramsey276one]

Same

[@irrespondible]

The next sin is the 6th, right? "Using something other than cards and some dice to play the game", if I'm not mistaken.

[@QuartzIsAnOxide]

I think, analitically, it wouldn't be very good for Kohdok. Longer videos means more people will split them into digestible chunks. Since the algorithm only counts number of views, not unique users, this tells KZbin "Hey, not many people are watching the entire video, so don't recommend it." This is why content creators talk about "the 10/20 minute rule."

[@Veylon]

I was hoping you'd talk about my favorite CCG! "Lays Mines" is a whole rabbit hole of it's own. There are different mine cards that can be laid. Non-mine cards can be put down as bluffs. There are other cards that disarm mines. There's spaceships that lay mines and have their own different set of mines associated with them. It's not that laying mines is even some particularly complicated thing within the game. You might have picked up a Sabacc card or a podracer or training card or any of the many locations that say "X Rules in Effect here". It's really the poster child for accretion.

[@brianhall4182]

Oh my gosh, the Star Wars CCG is RIFE with cards like this. They say a thing, and you have NO IDEA what that thing means without going to look it up in the rulebook. They also have this weird habit of using 'flavor rules' that do much the same thing. There's a card whose text reads "Once per battle, may use 1 Force to “eat the soup” of (place out of play) one opposing non-droid character just lost or forfeited at same site. a passenger. present, may reduce Han's forfeit to zero here. When in battle, adds 1 to each of your battle destiny draws." Why was the "eat the soup" bit necessary? Is this some sort of set mechanic? Does it appear on other cards? No and no. It's there for weird confusing flavor that has to do with a character from an expanded universe book. And then there's also Brainiac. www.swccgstore.com/Star-Wars-CCG-Brainiac-p/10091.htm For those interested. No, this was not from a joke set. Yes, it was a rare. Was it ever played? No.

[@imjodokast]

Additionally each expansion was practically a whole new game. The Darkside player could be following one set of specific rules to attack Echo base while the Lightside player has Luke doing Jedi training on Degobah, and the hell with you if you didn't have those specific cards that only counter those specific expansion events.

[@cyril957]

@@brianhall4182 Fun fact: Brainiac was also one of the first cards to get a 'virtual card' version which also includes a(n albeit slightly simpler) equation for his (her? their?) power and lets you change destinies to pi. G o o d s t u f f.

[@undeadburg4803]

Kohdok, recently found your channel and I really enjoy your content. I like how you delve into so many different games and you seem very passionate about it. Keep it up!

[@ygomango9263]

ay 17 seconds late

[@bennettmoseley2622]

I genuinely cannot wait for Kohdok to go off about "Require more than a deck and some dice" for 8 pages and counting.

[@konstantinzarkovic7567]

Damn, now I wanna make a trading card game

[@c.d.dailey8013]

Good for you. :)

[@goggledpringles]

im actually doing one, but its in spanish xd

[@magpie1353]

I am kinda working on one at the moment

[@Karanthaneos]

@@goggledpringles Necesito saber más de esto

[@OnEiNsAnEmOtHeRfUcKa]

I've been working on mine since 2012.

[@christianvisperas7438]

THANK YOU Kohdok! THANK YOU! Konami has been suppressing these artists' identity long enough and man do I hate not having to know who drew fantastic artwork for cards and playmats that they print out. It might be a Japanese thing where changes to the design takes quite a while. So we might not have the artist credit until newer Konami employees become the leaders. It still annoys me that all cards have Kazuki Takahashi written on them (currently Studio Dice/SHUEISHA is written but still) while we do appreciate that Kazuki created the game, most of the artworks that players use and admire isn't done by him.

[@christianvisperas7438]

They do indeed. But still, if an artist has created something they at least deserve to get some recognition. Being in that contract that forbids them from promoting their artwork and Konami owning rights the cards artwork is a little archaic system knowing how well it works for the other big two of TCGs; Pokemon and MTG.

[@rewrose2838]

Oi oi 8 pages long scripts are preferred 😂 This has been a very fun series to watch, great work!

[@Nocturne989]

Seb McKinnon is the absolute GOAT. Adore his art.

[@airsir9559]

Even that seems like an understatement. His art is godly. You could hang that stuff up on a wall.

[@Karanthaneos]

Ah, I see you're a person of culture as well

[@redundancycheck]

I missed the second KS! I got the Nils Hamm collab playmat in his first campaign and I think it's the prettiest hobby related thing I own

[@mindustrial]

Therese Nielsen is the real GOAT. Too bad she got shunt by Hasbro/WotC for having a personal opinion that is not in line with WotC's Tumblr and Twitter followers. And WotC just to afraid of losing their SJW/PC clientele for having an artist under contract.

[@thomaswhite3059]

@@mindustrial get over yourself.

[@a.d.kuhlmann7299]

I remember that the MLP: FiM card game mostly used screenshots but occasionally had show-style art made for some cards.

[@emeraldchiptune]

and it's also a game that ended up getting fanmade expansion sets!

[@DioBrandonZeta]

Can you put all these videos in a proper playlist? Love these videos and want to show them to people, but it's a little difficult tracking them all down individually.

[@theoneandonly6112]

Mtg also has eternal formats like commander that don’t ever rotate so your cards aren’t necessarily useless.

[@solidkingcobra]

I wish there are more CORN related card games.... The Adventure Time Card Wars has some CORN characters... but I think card games need more CORN related content.

[@grantflippin7808]

Yu-Gi-Oh has black corn. Black ship of corn used to be really good when it was released

[@GermanBugsy]

Kohdok! Great video, I love this series, very informative. What you said there at the end about the Star Wars Pocketmodel TCG - no worries, you didn't really cheat calling it a TCG. The models that come in the packs could easily be replaced by cards and the gameplay wouldn't change one bit. It's one of the big criticisms that get thrown at the game. All the info you need from the models are its stats (Attack, Defense, Damage, Shields, Icons, Build Stars and Name). All that info could fit onto a card, but you do have to admit the models make it look at least ten times cooler. The game itself heavily relies on both its models and cards, and I'd go as far as to say the cards play a more important role than the models. Most models are just their stats and nothing more, except for some models with the silver icons (those come with special abilities of their own). The cards are where the game really shines, allowing you to alter the course of fights in many ways. Once you really get a bit deeper into the game and think about the different strategies you could employ to win the game, it becomes quite intricate. Droids, for example, are extremely difficult to kill due to their damage prevention, healing and defense increase cards. Leaders, when combined with Troopers, can sacrifice their small guys for massive stat boosts or direct damage. And Transport units have lots of cards to cheat in your reserve units for surprise attacks.

[@crypticabyss1013]

just found this channel the day before yesterday, i play magic but didnt really pay that much attention to card games in general, but now im realizing how interesting card game mechanics and design really is, and i cant wait for the last few 7 deadly sins tcg

[@cadenwatters2891]

Pokémon and Magic also have alternate formats where the cards from standard can be played to great effect.

[@goncaloferreira6429]

really?

[@FiboSai]

@@goncaloferreira6429 Pokemon does have an expanded format, but that one doesn't go back all the way. It is roughly equivalent to Magic's modern format, which allows all cards printed after 2003. The first 4 generations of Pokemon are unfortunately not playable in any sanctioned format, though I admit it would be pretty much impossible to have a format where the cards from the Wizards of the Coast era of the PTCG are allowed, as they used very differnent rules back then. Magic has 4 official formats that allow all cards ever printed, provided they are not on the banlist. Those formats are Legacy, Vintage, Commander and Pauper (which is a formats where only commons are allowed, but any common ever printed that is not banned is fair game there).

[@goncaloferreira6429]

@@FiboSai pokemon: i usually only play extended online. but on the real world expanded is, as far as i know, seen with disdain and there are never tournaments. Also, as far as i know the format is not sipported by the company and the community only very, very rarely talks about iy, for example when a new set comes out.

[@jdude1225]

@@goncaloferreira6429 When Expanded got released TPCi supported the format in the dumbest way making events Standard during Day 1 and Expanded during Day 2. Afterwards it went to 90% of events being Standard and 10% being Expanded and both kinds of events earned you points to go to Worlds but Worlds is only Standard. They really need to have a separate circuit for each format to make Expanded viable to invest in financially and emotionally/mentally.

[@Lyth13]

The power creep in Pokémon is so bad that you’d have to play the current set in the eternal format anyway, so it may as well not even exist

[@ReissTube]

FOW credits its artists now in English. Snowman is from the first set and the game was still printed in Japanese at the time.

[@Savapine]

this series are just so good man! keep doing a good job! and thanks for all these valuable information

[@zanforian]

I got maybe 3 minutes in before it was taken down and I’m happy to watch the rest now.

[@exe_]

The thing about crediting artwork is that most of the time the company that doesn't credit them is paying more to the artist for not crediting them. So it's a bad thing for the player but ends up meaning a little bit more money for the artist. Not always tho.

[@Invinciproductions]

Usually not. As somebody in the film industry, the way we do it is offer a flat rate for an asset. No matter who does it they get the same pay. They have to accept those terms including not getting credited. We do now credit the asset creators and we pay the same as before.

[@exe_]

Invinciproductions interesting, I guess then it shows how much the companies crediting the artists are backing them up.

[@irrespondible]

4:00 a game is too complicated when the size of its manual's table of contents is larger than the table of contents of the official DnD player manual... which in this case is the truth. Huh... there's an 8th Deadly Sin in TCG design...

[@Ramsey276one]

The original list has NINE (haven't found it yet...) THEN it becomes the 8 Impure Thoughts FINALLY, 7 Capital Sins

[@irrespondible]

@@Ramsey276one I guess it makes sense, though the 9 devils of TCG design must include this. Like 9 circles of TCG hell.

[@kiruppert]

“Chotal Tad” is going to be the name of my next Star Wars OC

[@gh0rochi363]

😂 it really does sound like a Star Wars name.

[@Luna_Everywhere]

Sentinels isnt an LCG because it's fixed-deck, an LCG is a constructed-deck game with non-randomized expansions

[@redundancycheck]

LCG is an interesting concept because it's trademarked by FFG So yes, while games like SOTM aren't exactly the same, for similar products like Doomtown (fixed set expansions, deck building, etc.) they have to pick up terms like Expandable Card Game, Non-Collectible Customizable Card Game, etc. to workaround the trademark

[@PondoSinatra680]

This guy doesn’t know what an lcg is because he doesn’t do any research.

[@StarkeRealm]

@@redundancycheck Trademark, not copyright. Trademark is, "this is my brand." Copyright is, "I created this work." So, you can't use Living Card Game, because FFG has the trademark. You can't start printing your own copies of the Star Wars novels because Disney (I assume) holds the copyrights.

[@redundancycheck]

@@StarkeRealm ah yeah I caught the typo

[@StarkeRealm]

@@redundancycheck Yeah, after I posted I noticed you used it correctly at first, and I just sat there thinking, "well, now I've become 'that asshole.'"

[@IamMullet]

If Genzoman didn't come out and say he did the work on the Kozmo cards I wouldnt have known he existed because no one would have been able to find him.

[@GanicoGSx]

Or even the Noble Knight cards.

[@StannisBaratheonOTK]

Decipher definitely struggled with starter decks in the early days. Those mining droids in the Premiere starters are purely coincidental - Premiere starters were just a dump of 60 cards, 30 for each side, only two rares. Nothing fixed and little point of buying them over boosters. They improved in later sets - the Death Star II starters were full size decks, fixed and had a few "main" rares (including on exclusive to make you buy them), and they were meant to play against each other. Those Young Jedi decks were really awful - the cards were junk commons, they purposely created unplayable bad versions of Obi-Wan and Maul just for starters, but you needed to buy them for each set to get the location cards which were required for all decks.

[@kingvire]

Yugioh and Pokémon does allow the artists to post the art on their socials. But I get it I enjoy following artist in the games I play and I enjoy seeing people come back to redo a character or art they did previously. So I agree please credit artist.

[@smonkk8556]

it sucks that to find out who drew a yugioh card you have to already know who they are. pokemon, hearthstone, MTG and so on are definitely so much better in that regard. i found one of my favourite artists, matt dixon, because every artist in hearthstone is credited and i loved his style

[@Ramsey276one]

Thanks for the reference!

[@ShinobiPhoenix-YT0]

11:58 this I agree with specifically with Yu-Gi-Oh. GENZOMAN (GENZOMAN on DeviantArt, @MrGenzoman on Twitter) did a few of their card arts in recent years for promos and TCG Exclusive cards (which got released later in OCG) and unless you know his work or keep up with the "outside the game" parts of Yu-Gi-Oh, you would never know and just think they got someone with a similar style to GENZOMAN. GENZOMAN is fantastic btw, he's worked for UDON, Capcom, Blizzard, and obviously Konami.

[@Frozirra]

Dude I really enjoy your content. Just watched the 7 deadly sins. I play Mtg, but this honestly interests me more as a dude with an Economics degree

[@ERenato]

Now that you mention Pokemon TCG w/o support or stadium trainer cards. THAT was a thing during the first generation of the game. And honestly it was way more bonkers. Lots of draw with Bill, Prof. Oak, getting access to Energy removal to the point that one player got stuck. :) *ohhh those times.*

[@aaronwishard7093]

Stadiums came out halfway through the 1st gen? But yeah it's an insanely consistent format.

[@nkosanaroy4993]

Bruh I need a Kohdok video every dayyyy

[@SasakiKiyotaka]

The fact we'll probably never know who drew archetypes like Melffy, dragonmaid, madolches, tindangle, krawler, invoked or mekk-knightsis utterly criminal

[@Ramsey276one]

There has to be a way! With the newer ones at least!

[@imjodokast]

Star Wars by Decipher, breaks 5 sins then decides to create 5 more.

[@jonathantillian6528]

The original Star Wars CCG actually uses custom made artwork. The expansions that dealt with the expanded universe (novel series) had actors/models in costume making original artwork. Another unique aspect of the fan-made SWCCG is the use of existing cards with new text. Before the license was lost, several really awful cards were "enhanced" by giving them new text. It was a nice way to freshen up the game while giving value to old cards most people had. A small but stable game that uses its own assets and has, far as I can tell, no rotation is Exodus. It's even kid friendly.

[@ShadowReaver573]

Exodus does not have rotation but Accretion is most definitely going to be a problem for them as no rotation and no ban list promises mean that some kind of drive to sell new cards will need to be made

[@ShadowReaver573]

And don't take me as hating on the game. I personally love what the game is right now, just taking into context the current discussion brought up by the video.

[@jonathantillian6528]

@@ShadowReaver573 Very true. Given a long enough timeline, accretion is inevitable no matter what the game is. Magic's rule book is over 200 pages, not including ban/restricted lists. SWCCG suffered because the game was so verbose you could do almost _anything_ that could be done in the movies. The only way to combat that is focusing on certain aspects of the game for tournament purposes (which they did, "prequel format").

[@tonnoka]

Was hoping some one would mention the new screenshots done for starwar cards

[@StarkeRealm]

​@@jonathantillian6528 The problem with Decipher's first CCGs wasn't just that the games were verbose (the same thing happened with Star Trek), it's that the early designer chased the idea of, "simulating," those worlds with cards. The games had a ton of rules designed to emulate specific behaviors from their respective universes. It's really more in line with what you'd expect from an RPG, particularly a rule heavy RPG like D&D, but an attempt was made to pack that into a card game. The irony is, Decipher's a large part of why we know that's a bad idea today. These were games that entered publication in '94 and '95 respectively, so there wasn't a lot on the market at that point, and not a lot of prior experience that could say, "this is a terrible idea."

[@Lcngopher]

The entire set of throne of eldraine is king arthur meets grimm fairytales (the dark real versions, not the disney versions)

[@darthnixilis304]

The difference as I understand it, is C/TCG you buy randomly created packs. Where LCGs you buy an entire set like a board game.

[@ksprice45]

Redemption is actually really fun. I bought it just to show my mom who didn’t believe it existed, and it’s super fun

[@samandclarisfanpagee2418]

I love your videos so much man. I'm developing my own cardgame (well, just to play with my friends ahaha) and your information and tone is both entertaining and educational!!

[@alexmuhich3200]

I love Bleach and have been working on collecting 1 of each card from the tcg. Finding Bankai set cards has been crazy difficult. Also, I have been loving your sins videos.

[@StellaEFZ]

Digimon does that and it's fucking great, I recognize a card made by koki or sasasi and especially Naochika Morishita almost instantly. They're just iconic and super ultra cool

[@IFGchannel931]

*Plot twist:* Some Yu-Gi-Oh arts are so bad the artists don't even want to be credited

[@thiccupcake]

I can ensure you the artworks are all gorgeous

[@IFGchannel931]

@@thiccupcake As in "you're beautiful on the inside"?

[@thiccupcake]

@@IFGchannel931 What?

[@IFGchannel931]

@@thiccupcake who?

[@thiccupcake]

@@IFGchannel931 When?

[@DavidGuitarIbanez]

14:29 that tcg is from my country, Chile. Glad to see it here

[@Mecha82]

FoW TCG is pretty much based around public domain properties while also giving those they own spin like having twisted versions of fairy tales, having Lovecraftian Elder Gods involved and having Alice from Alice in Wonderland having both light side and dark side while fighting big bad who destroyed Earth and turned it onto source of power.

[@Shippo89]

That was their initial plan. Give people familiar characters with your own twist on the story (why are they all in the same world?), then try to introduce your own characters later rather than "HEY, we built this world and you have to memorize these 20 characters as all their stories intertwine."

[@tienkieu4806]

This Accretion is also kinda true with online card games as well. I just got back with Shadowverse after around 2 years. And the game is so different with so many stacking effect to keep track off.

[@aaronwishard7093]

Oh my. He talked about Thicke Wicke.

[@garabartero]

Oh, man, is Myths and Legends (Mitos y Leyendas) still being published? I remember for some time it was kinda huge here in Mexico. I think you could buy them even in newspaper stands.

[@camilovarela478]

Lo relanzaron los creadores bajo un nuevo publicador, ya que salo, el publicador original había quebrado, peeero, salo volvió y están reimprimiendo las cartas antiguas, mientras los creadores están tratando de sacar el juego nuevamente, es un poco extraño, la nueva edición es keltoi, mitos celtas, que ya se había hecho en hijos de daana

[@JorgePalmaINACAP]

Last time i know it was rebooted in chile. It has african, arthurian legend and nordic sets, and even a set based on classic literary characters and authors

[@Karanthaneos]

Todavía tengo mi mazo de Acrópolis y uno de la época de Héroes

[@Ramsey276one]

I bought a few.... Did they SURVIVE the moving trip?!

[@STEMpunk28]

Yeah it's pretty steady, a lot of players in Chile and some in Mexico

[@tripled2096]

I noticed a ton of the artists for the Digimon Card game tweeting about their cards from the upcoming Double Diamond set and i think thats pretty sick

[@brathering8644]

I really hate that you cannot find out who draws the yugioh cards. I think there are like 20 cards where you can actually find out who made them, being the Kazuki Takahashi originals and the Familiars

[@nextlevelgamestudios]

They do this so that other companies don’t poach the people they work with

[@brathering8644]

@@nextlevelgamestudios Really? Thats kinda dumb

[@nextlevelgamestudios]

Brathering how so? I’m an indie developer and I do the same thing. I’ve spent about 45 grand making my game so far. Hiring artists is very expensive and also very competitive. My artists are under NDA as well. However to balance this out. When the game gets rolling (on top of their highly competitive per illustration price ) my artists get royalty percentage off their work. I get to protect my investment of finding the artist ( through all the scammers who take money and run) get work done assume the risk of the game and ensure that I have steady reliable artists another big company doesn’t come in and steal by paying double

[@brathering8644]

@@nextlevelgamestudios Mmh. I didnt knew that that is such a big deal, because Yugioh is the only TCG I know where that's the case. Than again it is weird that Akina Fujiwara, the artist of the Charmers, ghost rabbit etc. is known.

[@nextlevelgamestudios]

Brathering it’s more common with card games originating from Asia. The artists are often terrified to do other work because the main gig will cut them off it’s very cut throat. They often will be polite by just quoting insane prices. Some as much as 5000 a card 😅😅

[@motxmod]

The whole bureaucracy thing really is a pain. For an example outside card games, look at Superman 64. Titus had to fight WB every step of the way to made the game from it being an action game, Supes fighting NPCs, even to him going underwater. Matt McMuscles covers this in greater detail: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKaoaJl8gt2DmZY

[@theunwelcome]

one of the biggest problems in the old Decipher Star Wars CCG was that as time went on and more sets were released you had more and more locations that people wanted to go to, and if you were playing a Dagobah-based deck but your opponent was all Endor stuff there was very little interesting interaction between the two

[@StannisBaratheonOTK]

It was unfortunate as well that their way of checking power creep of new main characters was deployment restrictions. It made cards like Commander Luke and Princess Leia quickly obsolete since you'd have to commit to playing on a specific planet and also shut off possible interaction if the other person played elsewhere. They learned from this in later sets, by jacking up the deploy cost but giving a reduction if deploying to the "matching" planet.

[@Kahadi]

MTG also gets away with set rotation through the fact that they fully support alternative game styles. Sets and ban lists for Modern, Legacy, and even EDH/Commander, which all allow cards from older sets. They also do a lot of reprints, printing an older card in a newer set so that it becomes legal in Standard and, until it rotates out again, effectively just makes both versions alternate arts. This can even be seen with the obvious lands, in every set because they are required in a deck, letting players pick from their older ones to find the best looking ones. Not saying it's perfect, but all of the support they give formats that keep in old cards just turns Standard into a way of helping new players with a more simple environment until they get used to things and a way to keep competitive play more interesting instead of having players using the same old cards over and over, cards that aren't powerful enough to be banned but are too good for players to just skip all together. It also helps newer players get into competitive play without having to break the bank on those older cards, keeping the players on a somewhat more level playing field in terms of card selection. Also, I love how MTG has shown love to their artists. Articles that show love to them, but also in their joke sets, a whole mechanic focused on the artists

[@Brony2onDA]

I lost my shit laughing laughing when you pulled out a random can of corn for a porn reference

[@TheHobgoblyn]

The difference between a CCG and LCG-- in a CCG you buy a pack and get totally random cards with wildly different rareties and you functionally have to collect hundreds of the common cards before having any realistic chance of getting a playset of the cards you actually want. In an LCG, you buy a set of cards and get exactly the cards in that set and there really aren't different rareties-- there is rarely any situation where you will ever have more than a single playset of any card. It is a pretty dramatic difference whether you are a seller, collector or player. Its much worse for sales and for collectors who expect their collection to acrue value while being much better for actually playing the game as the pay-to-win aspect is gone.

[@Ramsey276one]

That's what I like about deckbuilder games, the main LCG I know!

[@TiroDvD]

May you please make a list of your videos when you just go into a single TCG? Everyone knows about MtG, YGO, and Pokemon, but not the others. It's hard to look or find if you don't even know their names.

[@drakke1489]

Also hey! Thats a MyL box! Nice. Sadly recently they have had problems paying their artists (both underpaid and some not being paid).

[@JorgePalmaINACAP]

Ah yes, the chilean sinner of life decking. Would have liked that SALO or klu made something about Humankind TCG

[@shumanbeans]

@@JorgePalmaINACAP Humankind was such a weird idea but it was a good chance to fix some of MyL problems. It's a shame they didn't continue with the game, I imagine part of the problem was the scummy "Virtue" system that prompted kids to buy even more stuff just to play properly.

[@JorgePalmaINACAP]

Yeah, they could have come out with some dice instead of cardboard for virtue at least

[@alexross9806]

Magic has very supported formats where rotated cards are playable.they also make sets and products that are never standard legal 1.modern 2.commander 3.legacy 4.pioneer And then people also play formats like cedh,pauper people might play oath breaker idk.theres more tho I dont think pokemon actually supports eternal formats but the cards retain value because alot of people just collect them

[@Ookamisieshin]

Really enjoy your Seven Sins series. My roommate recommended it to me as he plays a lot of YuGiOh.

[@harrisonlynch4701]

MTG uses a paint brush instead of illustrated so that way they don't have to translate the artists credit

[@ccgprime]

Decipher had Accretion, but the many games were cause they knew the rights were being lost and wanted to cash in before they lost it.

[@antondovydaitis2261]

My favorite failed TCG was the EVE CCG not quite 20 years ago. The Base Set was fun to play, but the very first Expansion broke the game. I wish it could be fixed. Also, I'd like to see what you think of Zenonzard.

[@BlickWinkel]

Artists being credited in Japanese is partially a result of the kanji in Japanese names having multiple pronunciations and not always being obvious which is correct. 田中 could be "Tanaka" or it could be "Denchu". Even if you know the pronunciation, people with the same name may prefer different romanizations, like Sato, Satou, Satoh, or Satō. A company might not have, or may not want to use the resources to verify name readings. Leaving the names in Japanese is one (lazy) way to ensure you're not wrong.

[@Ramsey276one]

Moon's Roll call kills thousands DEATH NOTE

[@BenDiaz]

Would love to see you discuss the Star Trek CCG. The fan base has continued releasing expansions after Decipher went bankrupt, like the other examples you mentioned

[@EJsGameplay]

You have Myths and Legends cards?! I remember reading about the game coming out a long time ago in gaming magazines, and was super excited for it but thought it was cancelled! I've never seen it anyware.

[@ramirogomezgonzalez]

ohhh men i played myths and legends for a goood chunk of my childhood.... yea it got his issues but it was FUN

[@Retruyomyl5]

Steam alfa phase is about to end for MyL, so you may play again. Most likely in spanish since the game is chilean

[@STEMpunk28]

@@Retruyomyl5 If I remember correctly ther is an option for english

[@Retruyomyl5]

@@STEMpunk28 that would be nothing but good news! I love that game so it being available for a wider audience is just great ^^

[@pablomadrid6962]

It did actually come out in the states iirc, but it had a fairly limited run and lasted like 2 sets, which released years after the Chilean equivalent.

[@atlasrises4]

I see reupload I click! Gotta support the reupload counts!

[@timmirkes7178]

Decipher's Star Wars got a hard reset when they lost the license and republished the system as WARS. The game is essentially the same system, but with a lot of the glut of rules jettisoned or streamlined and expanded with a few new things that all the legacy formatting and rules baggage wouldn't have allowed in the SW system. Might be a good case study to talk about the rare opportunities CCGs have had to "reboot" into a new form. See also Decipher's Star Trek Customizable Card Game (1st vs 2nd Edition).

[@Acidonia150reborn]

11:30 Recently they changed the Text on bottom of the cards to not have his name on them. Though his Initials are on some card artworks he drew. Yet the XYZ version of Dark Magician Girl he drew will never leave japan because he will not allow Konami to remove the Pentagram off it.

[@Mysticfox4]

I found your youtube channel recently and was super interested in the 7 deadly card game sins. Love this series! Would love to see a video where you talk about "manna costs for cards" ie resource. I have been making my game taking concepts from things I like but realized that many games use different cards as a "benchmark" unit in order to establish a "meta" or rather "what value of a card is acceptable for its stats" would love to hear your thoughts.

[@nextlevelgamestudios]

I'm about 45k into making my card game. I don't credit my artists... HOWEVER we provide them a revenue sharing model on top of their competitive pay for their drawings. It costs a lot of time and money to find artists that can work on games. Bigger companies can come in and completely poach artists away. Our standpoint is : You may have noticed that the artists names are not on the cards. We love our artists and decided that the best way to support our artists was not by placing their name on cards, but by sharing with them the success of our game. For every pack sold, every single artist who worked on that pack shares in its success in the form of royalties in addition to their normal pay!

[@Serjohn]

The yugioh art is slightly more complicated because you are drawing assets owned by yugioh, rather than shopping around art, similar to spiderman etc, but they do credit the creators rather than the individual artists, but thats japanese culture. Concept artist is what we call it in english i think, there are 8 of them that get 90% of the credit. The reason you don't see it in the card it's because they are lumped with the anime people, that do the anime characters, its technically anime art if you did the art of the card on the show, my head hurts.

[@RockMongler]

The mine laying stuff was pretty much only used in some of the earliest sets. The SWCCG also has some (OK, actually a lot of) stuff that's a bit janky by virtue of being a fairly early game.

[@Ramsey276one]

ATTRITION

[@GroundThing]

On the topic of set rotation that you got into towards the end, I don't know about pokemon, but with Magic, before the current model of Standard, Modern, Legacy, ect, it had Type 1 (basically Vintage), type 1.5 (basically Legacy), and type 2 (basically standard), and the order of that essentially was what allowed it to develop a rotating format. Because Standard wasn't really the premier format, but rather the format that allowed you to play whatever cards you had, maybe with some number restrictions, but it basically needed type 1 to be at the forefront to be able to even have something like standard come into existence, and then only once type 1 and then eventually type 1.5 became degenerate, could they transition their premier format into a rotating format.

[@aaronwishard7093]

Pokemon has a standard format. That being give or take 3-4 years of packs being used for that format. There's Expanded format. Which is every card since Black and White which came out in like 2010. Unfortunately for how it ACTUALLY plays. It's Standard with the most broken old cards. Finally out of formats that are actually defined we have "Legacy" which is just an old standard format that existed in the past that TPCI supports on their TCG Online application. This also applies to when anyone plays an older standard that's just the particular one that gets supported officially. Finally we have "Unlimited". Which says "If this is a card that's ever been printed. You can put it in your deck". There's been no official support for this format EVER. It's practically a fan made format except it's on the official rule document. The only upside to this format is that they have at least given official erratas to cards that weren't meant to interact together. For example: There's 4 different cards that say "Discard your hand, draw 7 cards". So there's a deck building rule that for broken effects like that you can only have 1 name per deck. This also applies to cards that have the same name but a different effect. Super Rod being the best example. It has like 2-3 effects. So the official rule/errata for unlimited is that you only use the most recent names text.

[@poesero]

I was really expecting to have accreation to be more center to the video but no it was me LICENSING

[@renzallen8251]

Around your 8:10 ish mark that somewhat answers my question as to why many card games that feature intellectual properties from various media default to screen shots. I was looking at random card openings that showcased anime related card games. Thought it was just being lazy. I still think screenshots are meh. I'd still prefer to have more variety and dynamic artwork printed in cards.

[@Ramsey276one]

Kinda surprised they don't do photo shoots if the thing is recent and the Character are available...

[@dustyfox6511]

Why ... Why does he have a can of corn on standby?

[@Kohdok]

One never knows when one might need to deploy a Dad Joke.

[@ThoNguyen-zr1rk]

Kohdok looks like daddy with goatee:)

[@Liiiillo]

I can't believe that you have a Myth and Legends deck! It's a very popular card game in Chile!!!

[@baconsky_akako]

I still don’t understand pendulum cards and hope I never need to

[@Stinkoman87]

Luckily the mechanical stuff for Pendulums are all optional; if you don't play Pendulums, your Pendulum Zones will never be filled but the rest of your board is unaffected. Which is more than can be said for what happened when Links came out (man I'm glad they mostly reversed that).

[@justinmadrid8712]

@@Stinkoman87 well its not optional because you have to understand the mechanic for when you fight against it.

[@thefuntimenerds4814]

Thank you for these I'm actually just starting to create a TCG and this I'm sure will be helpful. ❤ I've played board games, and d and d, and card games since I was a child and went to college for graphic design and always did art. It just seems like the right move. 😊 would love to have you betta test it when it's done. ❤

[@chaosof99]

I don't think a Living Card Game is just a marketing gimmick, considering that the production, distribution and sales methods are wholly different in comparison to Trading Card Games.

[@goggledpringles]

love to seeing Mitos y leyendas, im trying to make a commander like format with the new cards

[@camilovarela478]

El problema de myl es que se juega las cartas con más value, todo mazo competitivo tenía, flechero, inti, Valkiria, oráculo de Delfos, totem de guanaco etc

[@goggledpringles]

Ahora como son arquetipos hay pocas cartas que se repiten, como atavismo y los clásicos removal, hay mucha más variedad aún teniendo power creep por edición, un formato de singles 99 más uno podría ser lo que mitos necesita para que la gente combine más esas dos épocas omitiendo la horrible era oscura y él génesis myl

[@GioNecromancer]

Hace 2 años más o menos creé una especie de comander ocupando aliados ur y mr como comandantes, la regla de colores acá la adopté a las razas de aliado e hize una lista de cartas muy poderosas de las cuales sólo podías elegir un numero limitado de ellas. Lo testié un poco y no terminó cuajando, mi sueño siempre fue poder mezclar toda la historia de 20 años de juego en ese formato. Nunca pude ni encontré a alguien más que quisiera probar algo así jaja.

[@davidv2002]

11:51 funny the Japanese Pokemon cards do the opposite of this. The Japanese cards credit them in English. Even Japanese names like Yuka Morii are written in English (Romanji)

[@notfinch6671]

I have some of almost all the star wars card games and didnt even realise it before. Thanks for the enlightenment XD

[@josephjames9090]

The follow ups are my favorite part

[@im24karatgold59]

Why are there so little sci-fi card games? I have never really seen them and I was wondering why this is.

[@weckar]

Ah, yu-gi-oh... where feature creep is a feature.

[@GRtogetaBIC]

At around 5.00 i expected a joke like "with so little explanation what should the player do? Place landmines around the opponent? If the word instead of mine was something more "normal"maybe the player would actually do that, there are in old Magic strange mechanics and people did play them." Besides who wouldn't want nowadays such text in yu gi oh tournaments so you can blow up those fucking "1st turn board of 9 negations" that is everwhere.

[@tudoroltean3183]

Khodok, the entirey of the set Throne of Eldraine is based on Arthurian myth and fairy tales.

[@aaronwishard7093]

I'm shocked he didn't mention the blatant 1:1 that YuGiOh did as well

[@themintstuff]

Woooo You mentioned Myth and Legends!!!!

[@juanchetumare]

Funny you mention myths and legends (mitos y leyendas) here and not in the lifedecking episode. And well, I think M&L probably committed all of the sins lmao

[@mechspiral]

Would love to see you cover the Naruto CCG and maybe how it compares to the newer game.

[@downsjmmyjones101]

Doesn't "Living Card Game" just mean that there are no randomized packs?

[@Zaxophone32]

I can actually picture Mark Rosewater saying the next Magic set will be "super-de-duper awesome"

[@linkmaxwell]

Living Card Game is to differentiate from Trading Card Game where the former includes all cards of each expansion in a more-expensive single package while the latter breaks up cards into cheaper randomized packs. Honestly, I view Sentinels as kind of a bridge between card games and board games. There's no element of deckbuilding outside of choosing which version of the hero you use, which seems to go against one of the core mechanics of card games (even Keyforge had randomized decks).

[@Ramsey276one]

I am writing up a deckbuilder with OPTIONAL expansions. Changing the game or upgrading it? Your choice! Character with starter cards and a Side Deck of cards only they can acquire? (BEWARE EXCEPTIONS!) Game Start Event with player-specific side goals? An AI player you can try to make a deal with to help or even JOIN YOU?!

[@SGFreund]

Hey Kohdok, have you tried Keyforge at all? It's fantastic!

[@wakkaseta8351]

This video's a bit misleading. While yes,Yu-Gi-oh is chock full of feature creep, it still is indeed the poster child for Power Creep.

[@aaronwishard7093]

It's both. Every era there's a new mechanic. Every era there's closer to 2-3 new mechanics piggy backing off the larger idea. Duel Monsters. Ritual, Fusion, broken cards. GX, Fusion is the main gimmick, but talking from the actual TCG perspective. We have Contact Fusion, we have all new ways to cheat out fusions. We have all types of niche fusion gimmicks. 5ds. Synchro. Tuner. Synchro-Tuner. Accel-Synchro. Over-Accel-Synchro Zexal. XYZ, XYZ with XYZ. Arc V. Pendulums. Pendulums of every extra deck mechanic previously used. Vrains. So far I don't remember there being any type of feature creep beyond Links.

[@sirspookybones1118]

@@aaronwishard7093 theres rush duel cards but they're a separate format and might not even function differently to the regular card

[@aaronwishard7093]

@@sirspookybones1118 What? Duel Rush is the exact same format as YuGiOh, in terms of the cards do the same thing, they're just in their own shielded bubble if you want to use them inside of their imaginary format that not even Konami supports. But more importantly how does that continue the conversation I was having with OP how YuGiOh as about as much Feature Creep as Pokemon or Magic does?

[@sirspookybones1118]

@@aaronwishard7093 didnt think they functioned differently, but they look different and are intended for a different type of play; a sort of feature one would say. Not quite the same thing since it's not a core game mechanic

[@JamesNintendoTurd]

@@aaronwishard7093 There is one fundamental difference in terms of functionality with Rush Duel cards: Monsters are always once per turn. Also, the layout of the cards is way different, for example, the effect activation condition is always placed on a separate line. I think you are confusing them with Speed Duel cards, which are virtually identical to regular cards with the exception of having "Speed Duel" printed on them.

[@Ramsey276one]

2:20 Yu-Gi-Oh intensifies...

[@rodrigocisnerosgarcia6066]

awesome video, i know i say this very often, can you talk about weiss schwards? i would love you hear your opinion about that game, i been playing it for 4 months and im in love with it

[@XCATX25]

I actually like your new beard, it's clean and it works better, makes you look more professional and less like... a nerd.

[@sethgardner1536]

Thanks for mentioning the Star Wars games!