Kohler Class 5 vs Toto Drake

I thing the Drake won. Let me know what you think in the comments!
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2016 Toto Drake Rating: (B-)
2012 Kohler Highline Rating: (E)
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A Ratings (Best of the Best):
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💎: Best Toilet/Urinal Ever
A+: EPIC
A: Amazing
A-: Awesome
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B Ratings:
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B+: Great
B: Good
B-: Decent
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C Ratings:
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C+: Tolerable
C: Mediocre
C-: Junky
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E Ratings:
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E+ Bad
E: Horrible
E-: Intolerable
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F Ratings:
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F+: Worthless
F: Appalling
F-: Absolute Trash
🖕: Worst Toilet/Urinal Ever

[@Xoletta]

This was really impressive. It showed everything! The best video on toilets I've ever seen! And totally changed my mind about which one to buy. Thanks!

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

You're welcome!

[@user-sn1qx1tm4l]

@@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations the kohler is scary it looks like a exlcamation mark

[@Mikeynuts21]

Sitting on the shitter, watching this, realizing I am officially an old man. Sad day, but interesting video.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Thanks

[@WillLeingang]

You sir are the hero we don’t deserve.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Thanks!

[@fp5495]

What an odd thing to say.

[@lukegray3169]

@@fp5495 Eh, hes just being nice

[@Willowbrook-wf2pk]

that was mean

[@forever_3624]

@@Willowbrook-wf2pk how

[@micah_ferguson.1904]

I like these comparison videos!

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I have more coming!

[@lynnrose7562]

This was very helpful. Thank you.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

You're welcome!

[@avpr1c]

This test emulates every public toliet scenario i've seen

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Lol

[@paulcalder2792]

I have a Toto Drake 2 with dual cyclone flush. It flushes very quickly and with real life testing, it has never clogged in almost 3 years of everyday use.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Very nice!

[@jbsimmons54]

Thanks for using the dye. I know I made a recommendation not too long ago that you should add a few drops into the TANK for the 'initial flush' you do so we can see the placement and volume of water in the rim holes.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

You're welcome

[@ASF.Plumbing]

The Toto Drake is underrated imo

[@inhaleexhale]

Thank you for these tests. I am curious if it is always necessary to artificially inflate the water level inside the bowl in order for these tests to do well?

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

They do work much better that way

[@AskLovelyIgniteTheChange]

Great video👍🏾

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Thanks!

[@johnthompson1691]

Both are excellent toilets under normal usage. Personally I would increase the water in both tanks for optimum flushing. Kohler a classier looking toilet IMO but Toto Drake does better flushing on low water flushing. Can't go wrong with either one.

[@jstsumguy29]

Nothing beats my poop knife!

[@elevatortoiletandtransitfa9258]

They are both great in my opinion. I actually have a Kohler Highline in my 3rd floor bathroom which replaced a Porcher toilet due to a crack on it.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I've never seen a Porcher before, that sounds interesting.

[@torresreynaldo137]

This is the test wanted to see not just a rag test or some grocery bag test, so now we can see which is the better toilet.

[@steelehainley]

You sir are the bestest hero

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Thanks!

[@vintagetoiletstexas2443]

Both are decent imo

[@randyblackburn9765]

The kohler,tends to stop up a lot when flushing large firm turds . The trap way has a near right angle at the bottom.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Yeah, they're really not great for normal use.

[@shorttes4631]

i liked the toto from the start (and still do) but both are good

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I like the Toto too

[@MisterMikeTexas]

The Toto prevails, but I'll take a vintage Kilgore or AS Cadet over either toilet here.

[@billmitchell5805]

that Kohler discharge port seems very small? Do they both have dual flush options?

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I have seen Kohler Highline dual flush toilets but I haven't seen a Toto one yet.

[@VMUTplumbing]

Kohler: “I’m one of the toilets best brand in the U.S!” Toto: “Hold my beer”

[@Mikeesocal69]

We always had the worst toilets in our house. The one piece american standard would never flush good and often needed multiple flushes or a plunger if you laid a big one. It gave me nightmares. I always noticed that my neighbor never ever replaced their toilet and never had any problems with it. Out of curiosity, I looked at the brand name of their toilet and it was a Toto. I don't remember the model they had but since that time, there is a Toto Drake 1.6 in our house and from then on zero 0 problems. Toto toilets for the win.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Toto seems to be a good one for performance. Their tank parts are also good quality and last a long time.

[@danr2081]

Legend!

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Thanks

[@ravenmoto310]

Toto Drake 1.6 tornado flush is the one to buy!

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I would like to find one someday

[@cameraredeye3115]

The Toto Drake crushed that Kohler Highline. I counted a 4-0 final score in favor of the Drake.

[@nga7070]

I saw 3-2

[@billmitchell5805]

will any toilets on the market control hard water stains on internal surfaces of the bowl and/or tank?

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Any kind of toilet will get hard water stains if it is not cleaned frequently enough but it really depends on your water supply.

[@Allie10567]

Why the Toto drake took the dish towel separately and the class 5 taking them at both, even then your 2008/2007 Toto drake didn’t pass the washcloth/grocery bag and the class 5 took it like a champ?

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

That's strange, this was the only Drake I tested. Maybe you're thinking of the Lloyd? As to why they did better or worse other times, I may have used different materials or for whatever reason they might have just taken them differently.

[@GusMahn]

I have the Kohler. I believe it's a 1.4g flush. It's a really good toilet, but the throat is really wide making hard to plunge in the rare case it gets plugged. Maybe there are oversized plungers. The ceramic is very slick, so the toilet stays clean.

[@drwalker9093]

I have 4 T0T0 Drakes, and plungers don't seal to them very well, either. I recently bought a Korky "Beehive" plunger, which claims to seal to the odd-shaped trap openings, but I have not had to use it yet. Edit: My mother has a Kohler Cimmaron, with the same flush mechanism in this video. Something about her water (chlorination?) swells the seal, and it starts leaking from the tank to the bowl, and it's hard to find the right part at a retail location when one is needed.

[@GusMahn]

@@drwalker9093 I've since bought Toto Ultramax 1.6, and it is easier to plunge than my Kohler which was moved to a different bathroom. The Ultramax is supposed to have a 3" trap, but I still manage to plug it occasionally. Still, I do like it better than the Kohler 1 piece I have.

[@davidlamunyon9087]

I have a Kohler. I'm looking forward to sending it to landfill. Hard to find parts for that thing. It runs on and off all day and night!

[@exitthedoor]

love the drake

[@nickdrew7841]

yea the drake wins but the class 5 isn't too far behind imo.

[@Matiasrrrr980]

TOTO DRAKE: I’m the best toilet KOHLER Highline Class 5: Nevermind

[@HFTF_PLUMBING_AND_RESTORIATION]

You did leftover dye and dirt tests on both drake and the highline.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Rarely do they pass perfectly

[@RamonGomez--bo4mp]

Amazing toilets

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I respect your opinion

[@cooperschwartz318]

I like these both, but the drake did better and the class 5 is a drake knockoff, also the highline is pretty common around me, and I’ve only seen one Toto drake. ClASS -5 Rating: E, Toto Drake Rating: A-

[@Ashuhlee621]

I like the kohler class 5

[@d05wtt]

The more I watch these toilet reviews, the more I don’t wanna change my 30+ year old toilets. I’m not crazy about these 1.28 gallon flushes. They just look so weak. Sure, I’m paying a bigger water bill but what’s the point if I still have to flush 2-3 times for a major “load” with these newer toilets? And on top of that, every other review, someone says Kohlers are better. So I’m even more confused now.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Yeah, definitely save the old ones. I don't know why people say Kohler is better because all I've seen from them is failure when I use them.

[@d05wtt]

@@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations Yeah, I’ve been wanting to get my toilets changed and was doing my due diligence but the more I do, the more I have no idea if I should replace them anymore. The problem with these old ones are that I have to unclog them with a plunger once every other week and that’s annoying. But I like the extra water that sits there and that it takes to flush. Also I can’t tell you why people like either toilets. I have very little experience with them so i have to rely on KZbin vids…🤷🏻. Thanks for your vids.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

@@d05wtt You're welcome! Maybe there's something wrong with your toilets that's causing them to clog like a low water level in the tank or minerals in the trapway.

[@ravenmoto5948]

So get a Toto drake 1.6 tornado flush! Also any professional plumber will tell you Toto is best

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

@@ravenmoto5948 If I can find one for free or cheap, I will!

[@undercrownhiphop9422]

Is it true you can’t clean the Toto with bleach and the coating gets ruined eventually?

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I have never tried it but toilet glaze is resistant to just about everything so I doubt it would damage the toilet.

[@johnnyx9659]

Great testing. Much appreciated! Toto it is.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Thanks!

[@GFSwinger1693]

Do they make a model where your feet don't get wet when you flush?

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Yep! kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXLRfaGsmcyheck

[@GFSwinger1693]

@@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations That one is much better. 🤣

[@zlurenke4911]

the drake needs more water and the highline needs a flapper

[@NamNguyen-ji1dq]

Can someone explain to me the difference between drake and tornado, is that both flushing technology, or what?

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Tornado is the design where it has one or two large jets in the rim that make a fast swirl around the sides. This one uses the G-Max design since it is older. Modern Drakes use the Tornado design.

[@Anonymous-il8yl]

“I bless the loos down in Africa” I definitely think that the band Toto is better than the toilet company lol…

[@inhaleexhale]

Are there any toilets with a higher waterline in the toilet bowl? I want more water in the bowl.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Sadly not because they have to be low so they can save water.

[@elliotlc1168]

Did you know that my favourite toilet is the Kohler classic five

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Cool!

[@mvann5]

Hey guys I am in same position as that other person not knowing if to replace. Have old kohler wellworth at least 25 years old. Clogs a lot and I know there are bad mineral deposits inside I can't get off. My bathroom is so tiny.. Maybe 5 by 5 feet. Figured buy a round toilet, which is what I have. But which? Also my rough in is 13.5. Any thoughts? I also wish these 2.25 flushes had more water in bowl. Thank you much for any replies.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

With a 13" rough in, you should be able to install any toilet you want. I personally would recommend a Project Source Pro Flush.

[@christopherdickson2996]

The Drake definitely edged it over the Class 5!

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Yeah, they're better toilets for sure.

[@jaclynklafter6770]

Does this Drake have G-Max flushing or Tornado flush?

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I believe it does

[@jaclynklafter6770]

@@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations Thank you for your response but I believe it can only be one or the other- G-Max or Tornado? Do you know the model number by any chance?

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

@@jaclynklafter6770 G-Max 100% and I have no idea what the model number is.

[@BeenInJailForADecade7335]

I do not like modern blowout toilets like these. They have terrible rinses, so they are not good for liquids or particles. This includes those identical Glacier Bay/AquaSource/Project Source/Penguin/Home Depot/Jacuzzi fixtures, although they aren’t really great for anything.

[@johnporter5828]

I hate it when my dish towel and grocery bag clogs the toilet.....

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

That happens a lot

[@zombiegamer2203]

they are really similar

[@RobHealy1]

Dish towel, fine... But does it work wit FECES

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Most of the time

[@xfishman123]

Any thoughts on Delta Turner toilet single flush

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I would stay away from Delta because they have very weak flushes and they've been known to crack during installation.

[@xfishman123]

@@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations I appreciate that. Any thoughts on the American Standard Lexington toilet? My wife and I Both like the look of it. Seems decent from what I see. My big grip with Toto is they feel the need to stick there brand right on the front of the tank. I think that looks trashy.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

@@xfishman123 I've never seen a Lexington before but they seem alright.

[@taronjeroneharris1313]

Those toilets look like twins. I hope they both found new homes, or perhaps they both found a new home together. 🙂

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

They found two different owners

[@floridiantoiletsandcompute9449]

Do the elongated Ingenium vs. the elongated 1st gen WG

[@floridiantoiletsandcompute9449]

The non defective one

[@nicholaslandolina]

This is like if billy bob Thornton became a plumbers intern

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Lol

[@1957rickster]

TOTO Toilet. I have had 5 TOTO Toilets and have not had any issues with what they flush. I HAVE had issues with the construction and how they flush. 1 - TOTO’s inside tank flush mechanism is a round piston that goes down into a cylinder. The mechanism hangs up and does not seal at times. It does not matter how old your TOTO is - this can happen at any time. I have added a large lead EGG shaped fishing weight to the top of the piston to help assure it goes down. This has worked very well but not perfect. The inside tank flush mechanism is not the old “flapper” style. I do not know if the other brands current models use the old rubber stopper/flapper(inexpensive to repair) or not. I am only familiar with TOTO. 2 - The flush handle on the outside that is connected to the inside tank lift rod is an issue. They did not build the tank top to accommodate a proper swing of the interior lift arm. A hard push of the handle can result in the handle being stuck in the down position. This lets the water run until the handle position is corrected. As the homeowner I know how to flush so this does not happen, but the grand kids don’t, and the handle constantly hangs up after they flush. The flush mechanism should be kid proof. 3 - The bowl Interior surface or glaze lets debris stick to it unlike any other brand I have ever seen.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

That sounds very frustrating. It sounds like the handle you have may be installed incorrectly. Also you may want to see if you can clean debris from around the flush valve and that should solve it.

[@IkkyuD]

Bro chill out

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

​@@IkkyuDHe's just telling about the problems that his toilet has

[@cartershaw1212]

I like the the class 5 and the Toto drake

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I like the Toto too

[@urbanplanner7200]

So that is what the sea shells are for.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Yep

[@forever_3624]

Toto wins 👍

[@revejmal]

So that's what the seashells are for.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Yep, now I use the bottom of a soda bottle.

[@Supcharged]

whats the water usage on these?

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

1.6 or 1.28 gallons I think

[@gregrosenheck8852]

Please I know zero about toliets. I can't find the answer to this what is the differrence between class 5 technoiogy, Aquapiston, or and AquaPiston canister. Also Am I better with American Standard? I like to use wipes to clean my royal american. I'd prefer the name of Kohler to up the value of my house. (so which toilet or Technology would I be able to use wipes as oppsed to toliet paper and is quite. Please help thank you

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Unfortunately, wipes are likely to cause sewer backups further down the line and they have to be snaked out even when they pass the toilet. I've heard that Cottonelle figured out how to make one that doesn't get stuck but I'm not positive. As for the toilet, I've found that the new flushing mechanisms do more harm than good because they let out very little water, they break more easily, and they're expensive. My top pick is the Project Source toilets from Lowe's because they can take a lot before clogging, they have simple parts, and despite being the generic store brand toilet, they are good quality and use American made tank parts. Hope this helped.

[@arlenebornales9741]

Tomads

[@thibodoux]

Thank you! Very helpful!

[@ScantPear]

0:42 I have that same flapper but it can’t fit on anything the arms are too close together

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

It's made specifically for those original Toto flush valves

[@mc_coolcat847]

Is this drake treated with cefiontect?

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I don't think so.

[@zhonglizachtravis]

They do look similar

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Yeah, it's almost like one is a copy of the other.

[@AA-777-]

the Toto Drakes trapway entry looks like my Gerber Avalanches trapway entry

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Interesting, I haven't seen Avalanches very much.

[@AA-777-]

@@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations yeah, I have 4 of em in my home, one of them in the other room has a more curved trapway and feels older

[@tomfisher9353]

Glad we’re using scientific measuring shells 🐚

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Lol

[@dhrtiwalter8670]

I want to know which tank empties most of the water?

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

The Toto

[@dhrtiwalter8670]

@@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations thanks I’m close to buying one

[@davidlamunyon9087]

I have a Kohler. It' runs on and off all the time. Hard to get parts. It will probably soon have a new home in a landfill.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

What kind of Kohler is it?

[@davidlamunyon9087]

@@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations 4468-AA

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Oh, one of those. Which part is the problem?

[@davidlamunyon9087]

@@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations the flush valve assembly leaks. Where's OCC plumbing at?

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

@@davidlamunyon9087 Right here. I know they sell seals at Lowe's and Home Depot for those cannisters. They're the 3" type.

[@sourking7821]

These toilets are impressive

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I agree

[@HFTF_PLUMBING_AND_RESTORIATION]

You're also did lil bit of dirt with the dish towel and a grocery bag then washcloth and a dish towel with dirt

[@ToothlessThedragon9]

Can you do the kohler class 6 vs the drake

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I don't have a Class 6 anymore.

[@ToothlessThedragon9]

@@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations If you found a class 6 somewhere then you can do drake vs class 6

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

@@ToothlessThedragon9 Maybe

[@aldoayhoniz190]

I think the class 5 would be better with a longer flush. It's always water starved.

[@darfieldzone5309]

That’s because the Kohlers have those AquaPiston flush valves (which make the flushes too short) instead of the normal flappers like most toilets have.

[@fama5736]

You can hold down the handle will flush almost anything and equivalent of larger flush on two button toilet

[@juans6639]

DEFINETELY, THE TOTO! MY JUNK KOHLER TOILET PERFORMS AS LOUSY AS THE ONE YOU SHOWED AND WISH TO THANK YOU FOR A MOST WORTH WHILE VIDEO! NEVER AGAIN...KOHLER JUNK!

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

You're welcome! I have had the same experience with Kohler.

[@milesaguirang2718]

Hey can you vs it will kohler class 6 plsss

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I don't have these anymore.

[@Vidalbuh2431]

I have a kohler but connected to a glacier bay tank

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

How is that possible?

[@Vidalbuh2431]

@@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations yeah idk it looks retarded tho

[@Killahhhkam]

I have the class 5!

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Nice!

[@fariyroxy]

They look similar

[@Liam-vo2qf]

The drake did better for sure

[@dhrtiwalter8670]

Good thing most folks aren’t flushing plastic bags and dirt 👏

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Exactly lol

[@Davidbwa9]

toto drake

[@OldSchoolAmericanPlumbing]

The Drake is a better performer, but the highline looks better.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Agreed

[@mondavou9408]

"Passed with ease" That is NOT what the guy passing dish towels says.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

XDDD

[@molossis]

I have two class 5's and they are powerful. Idk why.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Nice!

[@jamesbradley60]

Shhoot

[@jerzeedivr]

I have 4 Toto Drakes!

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Nice!

[@HFTF_PLUMBING_AND_RESTORIATION]

The plebe and the cadet 1 and 2.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Plebe versus Cadet would be interesting

[@tonicktv951]

No one flushes this stuff. Gotta make another video and test with real shit.

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Then I'd get taken down by KZbin 😂

[@JoliMorae]

No-one wants to shit what if they are eating lol 😂

[@davidobijr.7037]

The toto drake wins

[@FNAFONLYFAN5830]

No kohler class 5 win

[@nathanielhurtado216]

The Kohler Class 5 is the best

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I respect your opinion

[@A.40095]

I like your toilets especially when they get punished

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

It's fun to punish them

[@sanitarychannel4410]

I like kohler but that highline could have done better

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Those Highlines have a good bit of design flaws

[@norocomgt]

How did you alter the Class 5 fill valve to make it fill faster?

[@Willowbrook-wf2pk]

I like the Toto better

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Same

[@JoliMorae]

They look like sisters omg-😭

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Ikr

[@Peach_512]

Drake

[@yuderkyssantana4654]

Ya quiero que dejen esa tierra😢

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

Not a fan of them?

[@IkkyuD]

I would prefer the toto drak because the Kohler wellworth are one of the worst

[@OCC_Plumbing_and_Restorations]

I just got one too!

[@Davethreshold]

The Drake-2 is much better now.

[@fp5495]

Not necessarily. A lot of the reviews from actual owners say that it doesn't do a consistently good job of getting the bowl clean if stool drops too far away from the center and along the edge instead. It's designed like most Euro toilets, but anyone who knows them, knows, they are triple flushers.

[@lesliehorwinkle]

That's a lil close no matter how much he yo bro.

[@charlesrodriguez7984]

Both are fine but I’d take an ingenium or vintage WellworthIT over both.