As a state licensed plumber with over 23yrs in the trade,i can tell you the easiest,CORRECT way to go about commode rough in/flange installation. When doing the rough-in on new construction use a 4 x 3 closet 90 and come up through the floor with 4 inch schedule 40 PVC. Your 4in commode Riser extending vertically from the 4 by 3 closet 90 should extend roughly of foot above where the Finish floor will be. Do not set the flange until the finished floor is complete at that point cut the 4-inch Riser flush with the finished floor using a Sawzall. Need a 4 x 3 closet flange and glue it inside of the 4-inch pipe. The key is to come up through the floor with 4 inch PVC and get the closet flange that glues tight inside of the 4-inch pipe in other words you're not gluing the flange over the pipe you're finding the 4 x 3 flange that fits inside of 4 inch. To repair a Flames that's already been installed too low they make individual PVC flange extension rings that using a long set of closet bolts you seal down to the original flange that's too low bring it above grade. The product advertised in this KZbin video chokes down the flange by using a type of spigot flange. Absolutely do not use this product as it will choke down your commode flange at least one pipe size causing things to get hung up
@stevenlemerson5346 жыл бұрын
What you said works just fine. However, the plumbing code, where I live clearly states that drainage piping shall NEVER be down sized. ( I know that there are exceptions to every rule ) They now make 3" cheater flanges that fit inside the 3" ABS pipe. Yes ,I know this is against code as well, in most areas but it is the same idea as what you do and the WC only has a 2" trap so I don`t see it as a big deal. It`s quick, does a neat job and works just fine. There are more than just one way that works.
@billykennedy11506 жыл бұрын
Steven L Emerson the 4x3closet 90 is the only fitting where this reduction in drain piping is allowed. In reality it's not much reduction ,just one way I was taught to rough in . Inspectors have always approved. Good luck to all.
@pdcody44666 жыл бұрын
bingo! You nailed it
@mycats73216 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this info. I'm going to be renovating a house built in the 40s where they jammed a toilet into a 23" alcove & wet-vented the shower through the lavatory (and the lav was s-trapped)-- oh, and they have an ABS 90 elbow glued to PVC. Basically, it's a nightmare and I'm gutting it. The tip of putting the pipe up above the floor and cutting sounds like a very good idea. I plan to install vinyl sheet so there won't be much difference in height, but I can set the flange on top of it so if there are any leaks it will hopefully not go under the vinyl.
@mikewelch83796 жыл бұрын
This comment above all others makes the most sense. You're cutting the pipe to fit anyway, leave extra until the work is done and you are absolutely sure what you're working with. Then trim to fit. Sure wish my contractor did that when replaced the subflooring in my place. After 6 months of use I found out yesterday the damned toilet has been leaking after spending $10K to replace subflooring and do bathroom rennovation. I mean w the absolute f man?
@TheDonofDemolition2 жыл бұрын
You exactly right the flange should be on top of the finish floor. I’m in the plumbing business for over 30 years, and we always install our flanges on top of the finish floor, our proven method is to stub up through the floor with 4” pvc , if the branch piping is 3” we use a 3 x 4 closet 90 to stub up 4” then we tell the GC to tile up to the 4” pipe. When we trim out the toilet we cut the 4” pvc flush with the finish floor and use a 3 x 4 pvc closet flange that glues into the 4” pipe and screw it down to the finish floor. I know most plumbers want to slap the closet collar down on the rough and be done with it but my method may take a bit longer on the trim but it’s worth the peace of mind we’re doing it right.
@lesloleslo8082 жыл бұрын
What if the toilet doesn't sit flush with the floor do I get smaller flange? Or cut down into floor p.s I have no idea what I'm doing lol
@iceman8462 жыл бұрын
Finally someone who knows what they’re talking about, I’m 44 years in the business
@davidunderwood43412 жыл бұрын
I make wood donuts out of pressure treated plywood. The O.D. of the donut is flush with the O.D. of the flange. As long as you know what the finish floor will be, you'll know what height the donut should be (plywood thickness). Literally, the piece of wood is cut the shape of a donut. Trace plywood with flange. Find the center of your traced circle. Use proper holes saw size so pipe side of flange fits through donut. Cut the outside traced circle with a circular saw, (if you're good), jig saw if you're not. Place flange on top of donut. Screw flange and donut to sub floor. Cement board and tile up to flange. Flange perfectly set at the rough stage.
@daleon962 жыл бұрын
not if you have a floating floor you cant...and most people today have those...waterproof pergo, laminate etc. its needs to be able to move...also, many times it will void the warranty on the floor
@jahfetmoore527 Жыл бұрын
I’m doing this same technique with the excel of the 4x3 Closet 90.
@richardhaley3347 Жыл бұрын
I've read through some of these comments so I would like to weigh in. The set right system is nice but I don't like the reduction of the 3" to less than a 2 1/2" either. It's a problem just like the offset flanges are a problem, especially on commercial toilets and air-tank flush units. So what to do? You can use their spacers and a 3" flange plate. Or you can be a skilled plumber and use an inside pipe cutter and a coupling to bring up the flange on where it needs to be. Some type of waterproofing on the subfloor is a good idea like an adhesive caulk like Phenoseal on second floor bathrooms. Using the rubber type flange seals is a better idea than the wax rings. They make removing the toilet again easier. Fluidmaster is a good one. Don't use wax rings with the plastic horn. The horn eventually gets cocked inside the flange and obstructs the waste being flushed. Caulking a toilet down is ok for appearance and a good finished look, just don't caulk around the back. Leave that open if there ever is a problem with a leak. Always level the toilet. Always check to make sure toilet doesn't wobble. Always proof your work.
@TheReal19534 ай бұрын
On Toto's they say NEVER to use a wax ring with a plastic horn....it interferes with how they flush. As far as this Set-Rite system works, how are you supposed to drive in your hold-down bolts if they hit the metal flange underneath or an existing screw? I think it's a lot of bother when the best method is to use a purpose-built inside plastic cutter of the correct size and start over. It's UPC to seal the toilet to the floor for sanitation (males) reasons. However, you're allowed to leave the back uncaulked as you say for evidence of a future leak. I always roughed in with a cover pipe ....usually the next size. Put a test plug in the stub pipe for a water test. If the cover pipe was sized correctly, just remove, cut your stub internally, and glue on your flange. I think it's crazy stupid to set a flange on a subfloor.
@snomansupercalifrag10 ай бұрын
well explained, i love the display showing the flange sitting either below or above the floor. In my case when I replaced the tile my flange now sat below the floor. I am going to check out your product line.
@warlok93 жыл бұрын
I used this product on one tile job. Got called back because toilet kept clogging. The problem with this is that it reduced the pipe opening in a 3” pipe to under 2.5”. Clog city. I wouldn’t recommend stacking up a bunch of wax rings either. The best and easiest solution are the stackable pvc spacers at most big box stores. Just stack them until you are just above the floor level, add a Bead of silicone between spacers and flange and you’re good to go. No reduction in pipe size, no splash back, no leaks.
@whydoesyoutubehaveahandlenow2 жыл бұрын
I hate products like these. Totally disregard code. If he can sell this shit I should be able to run 2" to a toilet. I can't so he shouldn't be able too either
@Kghost03112 жыл бұрын
I see that being a problem. Can that gasket be trimmed on the inside to correct opening size?
@Rickster27912 жыл бұрын
"Good to go". LOL
@sativa20502 жыл бұрын
I’m calling B S 😂 you did something wrong. I’ve used this product and others like it, hundreds of times. The reduced ID of the flange, will not impede the flow, if used correctly. If you are having a clogging problem, it was either installed wrong, or there is a blockage in the toilet or the line. The reduced ID is still bigger or the same size as the outlet in a toilet.
@randyblackburn97652 жыл бұрын
@@sativa2050 I myself would not call BS , the yellow insert is too small for some toilets , Mansfield would probably work but not so sure about American Standard Champion . Also some very old toilets can have a 3 inch Bombay
@samkitty5894 Жыл бұрын
So we went from using heavy gauge brass flanges to Chinese made plastic and thin easily corroded sheet metal. Insanity continues...
@monstermechanic-uw8xj5 жыл бұрын
I'm installing this system today I just finished remodeling my bathroom. Great to see this video before I get started putting in the new toilet
@riverraisin1 Жыл бұрын
I took the first measurement at 3 o'clock and the second measurement at 9 o'clock. That's all well and good, but I think it's entirely unreasonable to have to wait 6 hours between measurements! This project took all day! 😉😏
@ronaldpaterni50812 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I might need to use something like this . The old toilet was installed with an improvised extension (wood, with plastic/caulking; cemented to the old toilet). This looks to be a cleaner and better solution.
@josephc75813 жыл бұрын
What do you do in most cases when there’s nothing to grab into...everything is lose...leak away....or if the sub floor is concrete..just wondering...can you use extended Johnny bolts to secure everything...seems to make more sense...
@allegory76385 ай бұрын
The Correct Height of a Toilet Flange is an elusive reality with every toilet I've had to work on.
@livingaboard8 ай бұрын
I replaced my toilets a couple years ago and in the one bathroom they have the abs/pvc black flange just like this about 1/4 inch below floor. I did a bunch of research and professional plumbers were saying to double two wax rings. This year The toilet started clogging easy. I removed the toilet and found the kids had flushed a plastic flosser and it was in the outlet of the toilet. It had baby wipes also stuck on it and that is why I was having to plunge it recently. Well I think somehow when I used my heavy duty t-handle bazooka plunger I caused the wax seal to fail. Floor was wet and particle board on top of subfloor was soaked and expanded. So now it needs a new floor, new wood, new flange extender kit. If I had just installed this kit in the first place this damage and new floor would not be necessary most likely.
@senpai162 жыл бұрын
I'm a very green maintenance tech for an apartment complex. I'm happy to do learning and researching on my own and I'm finding that my supervisor doesn't know as much as he thinks. When teaching me about placement of the flange he said to make the top of it flush with the floor. I think im starting to see why so many of the buildings seem to have issues with leaking flanges if he's been putting them too low and not correcting that when we find them low. And the supervisor before him would just stack wax rings 3-4 high on top of a cracked flange instead of actually installing a new flange. So I think I have my work cut out for me, but atleast I know how to go about correcting and fixing the issues properly now
@petersplat61642 жыл бұрын
It sounds like the boss never thinks about the best quality repair; he just wants to get it done. Keep doing what you're doing, think it through, and do it right. I have a lot of issues with hiring people to repair my house because they too often do something fast and cheap that pisses me off. As the building super, you're not paid to rush!
@Jason-un9ps2 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you should be the boss
@senpai162 жыл бұрын
@@Jason-un9ps he didn't like me questioning how he got stuff done, so I was fired. Go figure. It's OK I'll get more work and more training!
@Lilliputian633 жыл бұрын
At 2:50, I think he meant to say "first thing you're gonna do is remove the screws that are currently holding the old closet flange to the subfloor." THEN put the gasket in...etc.
@TheDroppedAnchor11 ай бұрын
Congratulations all involved. Very good production value. The talent seemed to have flawless delivery. Well lit too.
@TheDroppedAnchor11 ай бұрын
This is well worth watching just to understand why the heck this toilet is crooked. Physically or mechanically I instantly get -- but how?/why?/who?/when ?? Timeline drama. Pathetic.
@stanhudson28023 жыл бұрын
Important side note. Do not caulk around your toilet. If it leaks you want to know. Most times it will show under toilet or discolouration around linoleum, not so much on tile, but if flange was put on the flooring it would. Reason why you want to see it leak is to know when to change it. If not knowing it usually rots floor before showing up on ceiling below. Not always but mostly. Just 45 yrs of plumbing that I have experienced.
@Eejtalk2 жыл бұрын
I'll caulk everything in front but then not the back for this reason, but keeps boys messes from going under.
@meatball6930 Жыл бұрын
Down here in Florida you definitely want to caulk underneath or even grout if you want. Whatever color your toilet is-that’s the silicone caulk or grout color you’ll use. I’ve even mixed some latex caulk with white grout to make the grout more flexible when dry. You want to caulk/silicone/grout to hide shims if you ended up needing them. Plus you don’t want nasty water that overflowed toilet to get under there and rot. You don’t want your wax ring to eventually go bad and cockroaches come up from sewer and escape into house. Plus you’d be surprised how much guys miss or the backsplash gets on floor then the floor gets mopped and the urine on floor keeps getting swished under toilet. Most of the time if it’s grouted you can see discolored grout if it’s leaking underneath. Rotting under toilet does come from overflowing toilets too-not just from a bad wax ring. Even if caulked or grouted it can still get under there thru those or even thru grout on tile then it runs under tile. Once water is under there it takes forever for it to dry anyway. Even if a wax ring goes bad it’s easier to tell it’s bad if the toilet is sealed with caulk/grout. Why you ask? Because it makes an echo chamber. The water flushing will get loud and you’ll hear it gurgle it’s way down and echo under toilet. An experienced plumber can tell either way but for you DIYers, Homeowners or handymen-just flush the toilet and you can hear the flush being loud. If you’re a home owner and you’re noticing the flush is getting louder and louder then it’s a bad wax ring. Even if you don’t caulk or grout under toilet it doesn’t mean if you have a bad wax ring it will come out underneath right away. Water finds the lowest spot and this is where the toilet flange in floor is so the water will go there first and then go down around outside of sewer pipe, go underneath would or laminate floors and yes even go under tile floor and travel even feet away until it has a spot to come up that’s down hill from the toilet. Sorry for a long babbling comment so I’ll leave homeowners,DIYers and handymen a tip. Whenever using caulk/silicone get your self a can of Denatured alcohol and an empty spray bottle with mist spray. Denatured is just like rubbing alcohol but it doesn’t evaporate so fast & is weaker-it won’t hurt anything . You can do this trick on anything-around windows,toilets, baseboards,crown molding, trim, shower,tub, countertops ,bath/shower fixtures, anywhere. Apply your caulk with your caulk gun and then before using your finger mist the whole line of the caulk/silicone with the Denatured alcohol. Now run your finger to smooth it. The Denatured alcohol will prevent any caulk from sticking to either side of your caulk line & you-it’s almost like you put tape on the wall. It will leave you with a professional caulk line if you’re not good at caulking. I hope i just saved the world and many showers, windows, countertops from actually leaking from incorrect caulking.
@MAGAMAN Жыл бұрын
@@Eejtalk Covering the front and leaving it open in the back means you will never notice the leak until it gets really bad. Better to just smack your boys upside the head until they stop peeing all over the floor.
@carlosdelgado4870 Жыл бұрын
@@Eejtalk Right a book next Time.
@robertdean6222 Жыл бұрын
How about tile grout so the toilet does not rock ? Water will pass through grout
@brasshouse9822 Жыл бұрын
It would be a good ideas to put some sort of durable spacer in with closet flanges so when we install them we have a good option to install the flange before trim out. I bet that would sell. I’m a plumber and I’d buy it. I can already imagine a kettle flyer and demo on a plumbing supply counter. “Never have a sunken flange again!”
@anniegrider55472 жыл бұрын
Finding this video was the highlight of my day. Guess I'm officially an adult. Time is a cruel mistress..
@joedugger212 жыл бұрын
This comment is hilarious and so true!
@timothymartin56653 жыл бұрын
I want to thank you for your expertise your knowledge and your content what a great KZbin video certainly helped me immensely thank you and bless you
@joeplesha46213 жыл бұрын
This is a great product. I have corrected two toilets in the house with the original flanges installed too low.
@nicparker38095 жыл бұрын
nice what is the life time of the product and is that USA plastics or Chinese? One thing I am not and that is a licensed contractor
@NeverDoneFarm3 жыл бұрын
Well done. Clear and easy to grasp. Thank you.
@1065Olivia4 жыл бұрын
So since I have to remove our broken flange and replace and have decided to install backerboard and tile I should install the new flange AFTER completing the floor tile?
@bryanbenson65513 жыл бұрын
Yes, after the tile is done.
@AwakeDude9117 жыл бұрын
its like play time in 3rd grade all over again. Even the bright colored toys too................NICE !!!
@jfpull015 жыл бұрын
So informative. Thank you.
@mikeo88902 жыл бұрын
Real plummer's do the job right, the problem is when people install tile the tile guy doesn't put a flange extender on, over time the toilet leaks and the plywood gets rotted and maybe a floor joist, then you're out of a bathroom and a lot of money.
@99whs6 жыл бұрын
Great product! I used this in two bathrooms with great success.
@NancyBIsom2 жыл бұрын
Great questions....why are there no responses from the video host?
@JerryTheHeretic7 жыл бұрын
Yes this was a big help thanks..Now...where can i buy your kit?
@brenaeasterday7 жыл бұрын
I bought one at Menards
@user-ze6qx1py2l5 жыл бұрын
Do you need screws to fix the a new flange on sub-wood floor? Thanks.
@jamesf42443 жыл бұрын
Definitely, he said it comes with stainless screws, otherwise nothing would hold your toilet down.
@TonyTapay3 жыл бұрын
Just installed this and it worked great! Gotta say I'm glad I watched the video because the included written instructions are terrible.
@fusiongurudotcom81953 жыл бұрын
Does the inside diameter shrink with this install and does that affect the flushing flow?
@sativa20502 жыл бұрын
It does reduce the ID but it will not affect flow. The siphon tube in the toilet is the same size or smaller than the reduced flange ID. I’ve never had an issue with reduced flanges.
@roul3688 Жыл бұрын
What if you have cement foundation? Still screw right into the cement?
@sherbournesubwaymess Жыл бұрын
It's like a plumber's version of "Three Card Monte"
@miztrusa2 жыл бұрын
What if you have a stock flange that sticks up a good 1/2" above floor n new toilets connection is flush with the base?
@beowulf33036 жыл бұрын
We put ceramic tile in our bathrooms and had three different plumbers in and I don’t think any of them have done it right! I found your video by accident and I’m glad that I did!
@markfothebeast7 жыл бұрын
Do toilets have a large enough recess where the flange sits up inside with enough clearance for the wax ring as well? I guess I never took a look.
@TheNimshew6 жыл бұрын
Yes, there's a recess on the base of the bowl. The horn is even with the base. So when you set a can, the horn goes inside the flange.
@stevencsawyerss6 жыл бұрын
Great video, and a nice product.
@Z-Ack11 ай бұрын
Im having this low closet flange issue with a macerating up-flow toilet. The thing has a basin the poo goes into which has the flange built in it.. so for one i cant drill any screws into the flange because the tank must remaim sealed. However after the subfloor, leveler, backer board, tile i have almost 2 inches i need the flange to be at. Under the basin is a concrete floor.. the only thing i can think to do is to stack spacers in between with silly cones in between each pvc spacer then wax ring on top.. i still have to get some super long bolts that will work to go from that bottom flange all the way through the pooper.. thats like a 4” bolt at least..
@TheMusicman961 Жыл бұрын
What about offset, I can't seem to find a good repair kit for an offset flange
@samuelhorowitz5029PLUMBCRAZY11 ай бұрын
We would cut either copper or cpvc spacers. And the GC always knew to tell the flooring guys or tile guys to remove the screws install the flooring under the lip of the flange. The come trim time we drilled our holes and secured the flange.
@celeronxl4 жыл бұрын
Do you have a version that doesn't so significantly restrict the inner diameter of the final pipe? Seems unnecessary to drop all the way down to 3". Could cause a clog at the flange location which would expose the flange to high pressures when plunged.
@kel59444 жыл бұрын
celeronxl big box hardware stores sell them in 4 inch.
@van2114 жыл бұрын
I set my flange on top of the tile then wax ring but it's still leak from overflow. I've done a few toilet but never had any issues. What did I do wrong?
@SW-pm3ls4 жыл бұрын
I’m having the same issue. I believe the floor has some rotten I’ll need a thicker spacer.
@Mekratrig5 жыл бұрын
What can ye do if the pipe and flange is an inch or two above the vinyl flooring?
@jackeld91533 жыл бұрын
cagar sin toilet
@davidgibbs3812 жыл бұрын
@@jackeld9153 - Shit without toilet?
@brycek20337 ай бұрын
Greetings all! What should the measurement be between the finished floor and the top of the flange? Or said differently, how high should the flange be above the floor? Thanks for your time!
@hvac014533 жыл бұрын
Great video. Can you state the actual purpose of the wax ring? Since the underside of the flange pipe isn’t pressurized, (open to atmosphere), if the wax seal leaks, is it leaking from between the toilet funnel and wax ring, or the bottom of the wax ring and top of the flange. I would think it’s between the toilet funnel itself, and the wax seal against that porcelain funnel, since this is the only pressure, although very small.
@joeserrenti98579 ай бұрын
Also ..... Think about when the toilet gets blocked and the water is reversing direction. Wax rings , as proven as they are, are less friendly, especially on a floor with a flange that's not high enough to begin with. Whatever system you devise, you've got to think about the plunging situation and will the system hold in reverse ! 🤔
@paulbjork59766 жыл бұрын
Overlooked one potential problem. Your Johnny bolts need to be set through the first flange or when you snug up the nuts a gap well form between the two flanges and possibly allow sewer gas to escape. Also that system reduces the inside diameter of the flange. Not good for really big poo poo. Instead ,clean the heck out of the existing flange apply a thick bead of glue/sealent to a traditional spacer ring screw down at 4 points. PS. Use extra long Johnny bolts and trim to proper hight after setting toilet. Silicone base of toilet last.
@asterix2ksi3 жыл бұрын
They want you to remove the old Johnny bolts. Place their spacer and flange on top. And screw their six screws through and down into the sub floor. These screws will prevent gapping. Then with the secured top, Johnny bolt from there up into toilet, with wax or other gasket. If you want to keep your old Johnny bolts for some reason. Then this kit would be a waste, as you’re buying a whole lot of parts for one spacer and a gasket. I’m writing this as I breath in raw sewage so some details might be grammatically awkward lol
@Joshuaquiroz233 жыл бұрын
Lucky Luke ;,4Runner a autumn a
@sativa20502 жыл бұрын
You do know that all the piping in a toilet is less than 3” right? So matching the diameter of the toilet outlet with the flange, is not that big of a deal. If the clog is big enough to stop at the flange, it is big enough to stop inside the toilet. This reduced opening will not make a difference in clogging. I’ve installed hundreds of reduced flanges into cast iron waste pipes. Meaning the iron pipe is 4-6 inches and I installed an expansion flange with a 3” opening. I’ve never had an issue with increased clogging.
@jackpine4347 Жыл бұрын
99% of the time when a toilet clogs, it is the toilet that is clogging, not waste in the waste line. Has nothing to do with the flange. Also, the system described in the video is fastened down with screws, so there will be no gaps between the spacers and their flange, especially if you silicone between them.
@livingaboard8 ай бұрын
even my toto drake 1.6 only has a 2 3/8 outlet diameter which is smaller than this extender which is 2 5/8
@ephraimcamacho960010 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info!!
@DumbCarGuy3 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for little heads to pop up so he can hit then back down to win a prize.
@dougpeters16253 жыл бұрын
lol!
@DMUSA5363 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@leileili5 жыл бұрын
can i use ta wax ring with flange with this system or should i use one.without
@heatherbeane32343 жыл бұрын
Yes you should always use a wax ring with all toilets
@mechcntr71853 жыл бұрын
Those stainless steel screws, do they go into the concrete subfloor?
@sativa20502 жыл бұрын
The SS screw need a concrete anchor or you can screw weather tight tapcons straight into the concrete.
@mechcntr71852 жыл бұрын
@@sativa2050 Thank you
@billwirtel75256 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, great explanation! Thank you!
@hugheshomeimprovementssp40556 жыл бұрын
What's the I'd opening of the yellow extender?
@edfox83896 жыл бұрын
small enough to constantly clog
@rooftopvoter30153 жыл бұрын
Too small
@MrDarren50123 жыл бұрын
Im a plumber of 25 years and no not all flanges should be installed on top of floor....reason ? Some cheaper toilets and even a few quality toilets have very shallow bases and will sit on the flange causing it to rock..... there is no issue with installing the flange on sub floor.
@hugoelpollo48022 жыл бұрын
One thing I don't get it when he says to screw it on to the floor , I've seen others installing toilets videos and I don't see them screwing on the floor . They only only use the the fitting sleeves add glue on it ad the wax ring and then place down the toilet on it then they they secure the same toilet with the screws coming up from the underneath the flange....🇨🇦🇨🇦
@moonpiespotlight47594 жыл бұрын
I'm having three new toilets installed (replacing old ones) and have hired a plumber to do it. I am an engineer and no doubt could do the "work" but because I know the value of industry/trade knowledge vs "DIY" knowledge, I feel better paying now and not 10x more later to fix my mistake. Even if I didn't make a mistake, I'd be watching it for years just knowing I did.
@ilikethesoundofthat96084 жыл бұрын
ha! plumbers.......because engineers need heros too
@spatt8334 жыл бұрын
I'm no plumber or engineer and I replaced my three.....it's a wax ring dude, have a little confidence.
@ilikethesoundofthat96084 жыл бұрын
@@spatt833 exactly, because without confidence you might end up paying some money
@JK-hd2zb2 жыл бұрын
"I'm an engineer" God help us all
@trialnterror3 жыл бұрын
What about cement sub floors. I putting tile down and now I’m 1/4” to .3” to low. To use your spacer do I screw the stainless screw to the cement?
@sativa20502 жыл бұрын
You can use cement screw anchors with the stainless screws. I always use weather tight tapcons. Never had any corrosion issues with them. Much easier to place the flange, drill the holes and zip in some tapcons. Versus put the flange, mark holes, remove flange, drill over sized holes, put in anchors, put flange in, hope the holes line up, then screw in screws.
@brad33782 жыл бұрын
Here is the video for mounting to concrete floors - kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6qmfKJtg6plf80
@jasmith18673 жыл бұрын
flanges are different thicknesses. How high above the floor should the flange be installed.
@johnedmunds13803 жыл бұрын
Even with finished floor
@rodpalm63984 жыл бұрын
I use to split the wax rings and use one wax ring and the split half to raise the height of the seal. Never had an issue and did it a million times.
@amyshiyab23512 жыл бұрын
This is what I am curious about! Different plumbers say different things. Some say use spacers, some say double up the wax rings, so say don't just stack them but blend them, some say don't do that at all. UGH. What is the best way?
@riverraisin1 Жыл бұрын
If you did this a million times then they must all leak!
@americanmilitiaman882 жыл бұрын
Previous owners had tiled the bathrooms themselves. I noticed cracks in the toilet and decided to replace it. Removed old toilet and the flange is flush with the tiles. I put the new toilet on and there is a 1/4 inch gao in the front of toilet. If i get this will it fix that problem
@mattb96646 ай бұрын
I guess the other unused spacers just get tossed into the landfill. Let someone else deal with it.
@raymondray32324 жыл бұрын
Great information. Simple yet educational. Love it when people know what they are taking about
@GemmyHeart Жыл бұрын
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@louisgrant4388 Жыл бұрын
Wow...u make it look so easy. U are a great teacher.
@mattd25036 жыл бұрын
Every time I roughed in a toilet for a new house or job I would ask the tile guy or carpenter what is going to be the finished height of the floor is it going to be a 1/2" or 3/4" higher etc. And most qualified plumbers do that !! Anyone who screws a toilet flange down to the sub floor does not know what they're doing . With that said every now and then you come across some rubegolberg or do it yourselfers, that tried to save some money ..... I think this is a great fix for that .... Nice !, but your premise is wrong that plumbers screw the flange down to the subfloors it's not code .
@snowshark1564 жыл бұрын
If the new owner comes in and decides to change the floor for something different, they’re stuck with whatever thickness of flooring (or thicker) is down unless they want to shim the toilet. That’s why you put the flange on the slab. He’s trying to sell a product that can be overcome with an extra high wax ring.
@jeffreyplumber19753 жыл бұрын
flange needs installed at rough, back in my production days we would do 10 to 25 houses at a time they werent sold or if they were who cares you aind going to know the flooring. go ask a carpenter give me break he dont speak english any how. Ive literaly screwed hundreds of them dow to the plywood floor. So no your premise is wrong your talking custom homes and Im talking hundreds of homes. yea yea in a perfect world you find out finish floor.
@mattd25033 жыл бұрын
Jeff Y .. paaalease ... really you don’t talk to the other contractors?.. I’ve done thousands maybe 1, or two there wasn’t anyone around .. in that case you know their going to put in a floor most likely tile, so you automatically rough it in a 1/4-1/2” anyway ... check your code Einstein..
@Jefleopard3 жыл бұрын
The flange is between 1/4 and 3/8 for a pvc flange. I completely ignore metal flanges because they are junk. Anyone who has done service work knows this. I’ve been doing it for 30 years and my first 20 years I probably did 300 houses a year in new construction. A tile floor is approximately 1/2 to 5/8 inch thick. A regular wax ring is plenty to fill this gap. And if one is in doubt you can get an extra thick wax ring or double it. This video is just a sales pitch. That’s all it is. Trying to cause worry When there shouldn’t be any.
@TheForever1990 Жыл бұрын
Easy cleanup , came as described fast. Great product
@jfarinacci03293 жыл бұрын
Good content. Good information. Thank you.
@aja_60933 жыл бұрын
Thank you very informative
@tellmesomething2go6 жыл бұрын
So what is the correct height from the finished floor surface?
@johnd95415 жыл бұрын
The thickness of the flange, which can vary slightly depending on design.
@Lilliputian633 жыл бұрын
1/4" and that is "set" by standards that all toilet manufacturers adhere to.
@MarkoSpeaks3 жыл бұрын
I had a toilet leak that couldnt be seen because it was leaking between the old and new tiles! PS that extender is way too narrow inside....make something with a bigger hole??
@dougpeters16253 жыл бұрын
Very good video. I see so many people tile their bathroom floor and then can't figure out why their toilet is leaking.
@wyattsdad85615 жыл бұрын
This looks awesome. I like that there’s an actual gasket between the flange and the spacer. The other brand of spacers don’t have a gasket. But what if the flange is on a a concrete slab? Do you have anything for that? Thank you again, I truly cannot wait to try your product on the next job that requires a higher flange.
@ntme93 ай бұрын
Why wouldn't you install the 4in drain tall, cap it off till trim out and install the flange at the same time you install the toilet, which would be after the finished floor is done..
@pughconsulting3 жыл бұрын
Call me a glutton for punishment, but every remodel I've done I cut the flange out and put a new one at the correct height. I also screw them down. So many people don't for whatever reason. Even on concrete slabs, I do it. Grout the toilet if on tile or concrete, caulk if on sheet vinyl or plywood. I'm not a plumber but I've been taught by two and I've changed out a bunch of toilets over the years. I don't like gimmicky wax rings either. Just your plain jane wax ring. I've tried others and regretted it. My two cents. If you're a pro, I'm open to criticism for my own learning. Thanks.
@k1RpKgwD2 жыл бұрын
If you grout or caulk your toilet down, you won't know if it's leaking.
@pughconsulting2 жыл бұрын
@@k1RpKgwD Leave the back open. Caulk and/or grout the front 2/3rds.
@PEXUniverse6 жыл бұрын
you can also look into using a closet flange support bracket. I've got a video on how to install it on my channel, it's really simple and prevents rotting floor and toilet wobbling.
@irayz26776 жыл бұрын
Great vid. Got floor rot. Getting ready to cut plywood floor Bought dewalt oscillating tool Ready to copy. Thx.
@itsjavaman4 жыл бұрын
Can anyone tell me what kind of screws to use for a cement floor?
@brad33782 жыл бұрын
Tapcon 1/4" x 1-3/4" Hex Head Diamond Tip Concrete Screws
@cuarajhyrojayju4397 Жыл бұрын
Can I get this from Home Depot?
@mikeytherookieplumber96244 жыл бұрын
Bad option. That add on flange on top of the spacer increases the chances of toilet colggs due to the decrease in size.
@huejanus55053 жыл бұрын
What size is the inner diameter of the toilet drain? If it’s the same as the toilet it shouldn’t cause problems.
@tictac9367 Жыл бұрын
What if the flange is lopsided not level
@barrymilam57343 жыл бұрын
The flange on the front left is not a lead bend, it is a brass flange ring which your wipe a lead bend to. I can see where a lead bend was cut off at some point. I have wiped the brass ring to lead in the past. Yes I've been a plumber for a long time. before we even had plastic pipe.....
@stevenmorris31816 жыл бұрын
4" Abs fitting accepts 4" pipe which accepts 3" fitting which accepts 3" pipe. You get in a closet ring JAM build your way out by cutting different pieces from different fittings and pipe.
@Resb13 Жыл бұрын
Can I use those on my wall toilet flange?
@joesanchez79203 жыл бұрын
I am renovating two bathrooms on a 2nd floor townhouse where I had installed this product approx. six (6) years ago and when I removed the toilets today, I found the two-flange extender. I highly recommend this product as it worked perfectly for me. I never had any clogging or any flushing issues, if anything these two toilets have been the most reliable out off all my rental units.
@paulbjork59766 жыл бұрын
If on concrete slab use tappcon screws
@rooftopvoter30153 жыл бұрын
I just use cut nails
@Kaderpeck3 жыл бұрын
Unless I missed it, I think you forgot to actually say or show us what the correct height should actually be? Thx. I apologize if you did mention it.
@daleon962 жыл бұрын
one problem these days is, if you have a floating floor in your bathroom, you can set the flange on the floor because you cant screw through the finished floor...it needs to expand and contract
@alacran19863 жыл бұрын
I am happy to say that 2 of 3 toilets in my house have the flange at the correct level. It is just that one toilet.
@AntonioGarcia-zv7mm Жыл бұрын
Great way to explain to correct way to set a toilet flange!!!!
@cjmmjc21316 жыл бұрын
Eh... is it me but that yellow flange is NOT sitting level with the finished floor. the yellow ring is about 3/8 inch too high
@davidwayne998210 ай бұрын
That's all well and good for WOOD floors..... but mine is concrete with one of those old cast iron deals in it.. and I don't think it's all level.
@sean65673 жыл бұрын
I have always just added another wax gasket and never had a problem
@sean65673 жыл бұрын
@Kathern Pierro I had no idea she had a boyfriend. Sorry you had to find out that way bro
@ginosmovies6 жыл бұрын
Here is an idea, how about increasing the diameter of the toilet floor flange area so that it sits nicely on the base of the floor?
@jopalo316753 жыл бұрын
Great product!
@KellyPKramer6 жыл бұрын
Any good plumber that is plumbing a new house will find out what the floor is made out of and install properly. If later on down the road someone changes the floor then you will require a riser of some sort.
@stevenweede71843 жыл бұрын
Unless the original floor was thicker & they decide to go thinner
@stevenbetassa73293 жыл бұрын
I've done both plumbing construction and service work, and I had one Apt Complex that when rough-in they must of thought the floor would be higher, all done with copper DWV, and anytime I would pull or replace a toilet, I would fight a high closet flange, had to shim the toilets more then once, in this case I rather had the toilet flange below the finish floor ,
@bryanbenson65513 жыл бұрын
Most are set on subfloor so I just buy closet flange spacers from the box stores. They work great and it's quick and easy.
@stevemitz47402 жыл бұрын
My 60 years of plumbing experience disagrees! You want the closet ring flush with the finish floor, so as to give expansion cushion to the wax! (Too thin, no flex]! You should always use a 110 [felt or neoprene lined wax ring, [for wall mount W.C.'s] When setting the bowl Ya wana feel the wax squish a bit!
@oreokookie10005 жыл бұрын
do you have one in a titanium, my wife gained alot of weight over the years...she weighs 350 pounds.
@esemiklo58334 жыл бұрын
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@Newshustle4 жыл бұрын
oh yeah all women are huge in America these days
@MarkNOTW4 жыл бұрын
Titanium toilet...
@DumbCarGuy6 жыл бұрын
Unless you have the toilet in your hands and you can physically see the bottom of the toilet. DO NOT set flange on top of finished surface. There are so many toilet makers now and zero regulations on how far the toilet waste discharge opening is set above the surface of the bottom of the toilet. Meaning, if you flip over new or old toilets. and put a straight edge from mounting bolt to bolt. The bottom of of the toilet that actually touches the floor and the bottom of the toilet that discharges waste can vary from 1/4" to 5/8" higher than the floor surface. So when you set your 3/8 thick pvc toilet flange on top of the tile surface and you bought a cheap toilet that the waste discharge is only 1/4" above the finished surface, your screwed to say the least. Now you get to be one of those people that have a toilet with 1/2" of caulk under it, sitting on a pile of shims. Thats also why toilets flanges are screwed to the subfloor.
@WinkysWorkshop6 жыл бұрын
You are absolutely right. I've installed American Standard and Kohler and both required that the flange be flush with the floor... or very close to flush. Below the finished floor might be a problem at times but flush works very well.
@mattfoley60823 жыл бұрын
Great comment, thanks!
@truth66003 жыл бұрын
The flange should sit on top of the finished floor.
@MisterGreenGuy2 жыл бұрын
Correct. Stub up with 4 inch, then set flange on top of finished floor.
@TheNimshew7 жыл бұрын
Finally! Someone tells people how a flange is supposed to be. 3/8" proud of the finished floor. There's a horn on a toilet. That horn must be inside the flange! I have been a plumber for 41 years and today is the last day. In that time I have never used a bowl wax with a plastic sleeve. I have never used 2 bowl waxes. If the inspector wants to see the flange on top out, fine. Cut pieces of soft copper the thickness of the finished floor and put your brass or stainless screws through those. It's not rocket science. Jesus wept. It's a certainty that the floor will be ruined if the flange is not at the proper height.
@donaldfrench37936 жыл бұрын
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@alfredvogl40526 жыл бұрын
richard wysham it is a shame that most new plumbers today and tile setters don't understand how a toilet flange is to be installed. Whenever I meet a new contractor they laugh and say they never have seen a Flange mounted on top of the tile. So frustrating. And same here on my jobs I never use a deep wax and double wax is just stupid.
@JohnBrown-vn2qw6 жыл бұрын
the flange is supposed to be level with the finished floor. ask the flooring guys what the dimension of the flooring material will be and then set the flange to that height. pretty simple
@heatrick16 жыл бұрын
Richard, God bless you for your 41 years protecting the health of the nation. I hope you back and knees are still in good shape after all those years.