Konstantin Kisin & Freddie Sayers: How far should Western support in Ukraine go?

[@psnaris]

Ohh Konstantin. Counting on the Americans to make things right. That is a losing proposition for sure.

[@mrswavee2470]

they have the guns. bullies will respect guns. big guns.

[@GroundedTech]

I think you missed the point. There's nobody else to rely on.

[@bassandtrebleclef]

@@mrswavee2470 so it is your belief that Russia is the bully and the US is not? Interesting. You will need to re-adjust your assumptions for a more accurate picture. For example, who destroyed nordstream 2? Why did they do that? Who gained and who lost? No easy answers and there is no 'good guy' here.

[@hussar6347]

'Westernized ' ex-pat Russians don't always get it.

[@remcomuller]

@@mrswavee2470 They do, but that does not seem to be a guarantee for succes, but more a quarantee for disaster (Irak, Iran, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Vietnam, ...).

[@johnnorth9355]

He shifts the focus to possible Russian expansionism rather than evidential US expansionism ? Hmmm.

[@sv_gravity]

Yes, he probably think when whole Earth globe is NATO - Happy ending. Satire. He is Satirist.

[@SacClass650]

These two things are not the same. One is the work of a liberal democracy, the other is the work of an authoritarian state. One is intervening in a nation's fledgling pursuit down the narrow corridor of liberty, the other is prohibiting it with the aim of sublimating it into its authoritarianism. There is no moral equivalency here.

[@paulwhetstone0473]

@@sv_gravity These guys are talking “happy endings”? What a joke! No one mentioned that weapons manufacturers on all sides are happily laughing themselves to death.

[@gsomethingsomething2658]

Why are you idiots posting using fake English names rather than your Russian ones? Who do you think you are fooling?

[@sv_gravity]

@@SacClass650 Did you meant imperialistic hegemony imposing rule based order or else sanctions ? This must be excluded from Oxford Dictionary that you have instead of actually functioning brains.

[@futures2247]

just because someone is from a place and knows others there simply does not mean they 'know what is going on on the ground' except for the tiny patch and people through their own bias etc can bring - i'm in the UK and i've no idea what is going on beyond my immediate neighbourhood and this neighbourhood is very complex I no mostly nothing about

[@gsomethingsomething2658]

Okay, you are an ignorant idiot, but why so proud of that fact?

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

Konstantin is a *little* more widely experienced and informed than you. It is why we listen to him and not some random sod.

[@spm36]

@Terra Flow _/\_ Bryan Burdo we? You mean you surely? KK knows about as much as anyone else living in war torn hampstead

[@petneb]

I don't know what's going on in my country Denmark either but I know it's largely controlled from the outside.

[@cnrspiller3549]

Utter tosh. I live in the UK, always have, and I know what's going on here. Sounds like you're not paying attention pal.

[@alfos863]

It is strange to hear from Konstantin that Donbas region is unimportant to Ukraine as it made up a big chunk of country's GDP (many factories and mines etc) and second point is that if its not that important then why not implement Minsk agreements and keep it as part of Ukraine in the first place, which btw was Zelensky's main point during election debate, to stop the war in Donbas and make peace with those russian speaking Ukrainians.

[@ezratorr4996]

i think because people in donbas are russian descent or pro russian. and dont want to be part of Ukraine. thats my opinion.

[@artemkyzym2330]

The Donbas region is an underfunded and highly unprofitable region and has been so since the 1980s. The true value of the region for both sides is purely ideational. The Minsk agreements themselves were faulty as they had no enforcement mechanism, so even if one side withdrew, there were no guarantees that the other on would, which is wht they failed.

[@alfos863]

@@artemkyzym2330 🥱 The most economically developed regions of Ukraine are *Donbas* (the Donetsk and Luhansk regions), the Dnieper River area (the Dnipropetrovsk and Zaporozhye regions), as well as the cities of Kyiv, Kharkiv, Odessa, Lviv.

[@olgaltey3278]

@@artemkyzym2330 interesting. So what is the developed part of Ukraine? Lviv and Ternpil? if it is - why are Ukrainians so desperately fighting to get it back?

[@artemkyzym2330]

@@olgaltey3278 Why is it that you think wars are only fought over economic resources?

[@judygilbreath9478]

I find Konstantin arrogant and that limits my interest in what he has to say. Sorry, his correction on “happy” was too much when I took it that Freddie simply meant satisfied.

[@johnsmith1474]

People who find others who are calmly expressing their own view "arrogant" are usually feeling they are in the presence of someone more knowledgeable.

[@judygilbreath9478]

@@johnsmith1474 Yes John, I think you are right. Konstantin is far more knowledgeable than me about the war. But, I have to say that even though he was calm in his view, I thought it was not a kind response. I know Freddie values his opinions as he is often a guest on Unherd.

[@GroundedTech]

You have to be clear and precise in your phrasing or it will be used against you.

[@hansderaeymaeker9137]

@@johnsmith1474 Usually.... perhaps. But in this instance Judy is wholly correct I believe.

[@tatianalyulkin410]

Knowledgeable? Not from where I stand!

[@Operator_MetroSolid]

This guy is good at saying a lot but saying nothing at the same time.. sounds like MSM smh 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@victorrumyantsev3718]

Just wondering whether the USA will agree with Canada military alliance with China?

[@dariostarsky8124]

@@victorrumyantsev3718 ...and Mexico

[@mickeysimon3789]

@@victorrumyantsev3718 Does Canada wants military alliance with China? I mean, Russia left no choise to the West. If thay didnt invade Ukraine, there would be no alliance.

[@jonathanbell7287]

he knows "what's going on on the ground"...my *ss

[@richardabbot8724]

KK on this topic is an example of how emotional involvement produces bias and shatters reason.

[@GroundedTech]

Everything he said was reasonable.

[@bassandtrebleclef]

@@GroundedTech he didn't answer Freddy's question. Why do you suspect that is?

[@Laurencemardon]

Hi twenty ccds; what question didn’t he answer?? POsted day 38/23 from not- mardon 🇨🇦

[@jefferytokarsky1930]

@@Laurencemardon How the war would lead to the outcome he proposes. What if NATO runs out of money, will, or Ukrainians before they are willing to negotiate with Russia?

[@bassandtrebleclef]

@@Laurencemardon see Jeffrey's response below.

[@philmusson1265]

I like Konstantin but I'm still very unconvinced by his arguments. I suspect he hasn't really considered all options on most topics. Like how can anyone be unquestioningly supportive of Western military intervention after all the destruction we've seen it cause??? It beggars belief.

[@pb8649]

Totally agree

[@svenjorgensenn8418]

He is another fake smart person who think he understand the world. Hello! This is 100% the US fault. We corrupted Ukraine all the way back in the 1970s and even more in the 1990s. And then again in 2014....

[@marti6607]

Because this time Western military intervention is supporting a defensive war against a foreign invasion. Just as simple as that.

[@philmusson1265]

@@marti6607 yes, it certainly is a simple way to think and not very intelligent at all. Are Palestine and Yemen not fighting defensive wars?

[@marti6607]

@@philmusson1265 They do and get external support as well. You suggest they shouldn't?

[@jez49647]

It's already gone too far.

[@hectorshouse7348]

Already gone WAY TOO FAR. Get out now, lift sanctions, and apologise for 200,000 deaths! Johnson stopped a peace deal in April!

[@fujohnson8667]

Just what Uncle Sam has always wanted!

[@samb2052]

Way too far. Utter stupidity, purely to protect Biden’s money laundering operation.

[@andrewnorris5415]

Way further than they led us to believe. And it keeps getting worse. The worse thing was BJ ending the peace deal they were both ready to sign in March.

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

Of course none of this is Putin's fault....

[@tiiimmmaaayyyy3616]

I like KK but why is he the default Ukrain/Russian expert these days? Russia warned that further NATO expansion would result in consequences and here we are. This is a problem caused by the west.

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

And he is offering a solution. What is your brilliant idea?

[@januarysson5633]

This is a problem that became more exacerbated under the Obama regime. Russia and Ukraine seemed to have pretty good relations before that. I’m just wondering what the explanation is.

[@iakona23]

KK is no expert whatsoever. He is a Russian imperialist at heart who wishes that Russia be rewarded for their attempted extermination of Ukraine by being ceded sovereign Ukrainian territory. Listen to this interview. He is morally disgusting on this topic. What is wrong with you UnHerd?

[@tiiimmmaaayyyy3616]

@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 Stop bank rolling the Ukranians and let Russia get on with it. There's too much money to be made though so we'll just end up crushing Ukrain financially instead.

[@rocketpig1914]

Well at least he's not 100% establishment so we can entertain the idea he might be more interested in truth than groupthink.

[@inigomontoya68]

Would love to see Konstantin have a debate with the guys at Redacted - sparks would fly - Konstantin has a very black & white view & the situation is definately not black & white

[@mauricebendrix]

He is not willing to have a discussion with anyone of opposing viewpoint on this issue. That's why he isn't willing to have guests like Peter Hitchens, for instance, on his show to talk about this particular topic.

[@lolcat5303]

@@mauricebendrix So another coward/shill.

[@Customercf]

Redacted is a fucking joke. Why bother?

[@chrish8903]

Same for a debate with Alexander Mercouris of the Duran.

[@kassandralehming9641]

For anyone actually participating in the war, it's fairly black and white. You point your rifle either to the east or to the west.

[@NA-jb7sd]

There's been a lot of footage of Konstantin Kissin on this channel lately. Not that he doesn't make certain valid points, but Unheard is becoming like PBS in America during the pandemic: giving voice to the same people over and over again. Boring.

[@urniurl]

They need to find another angle. Freddie is a good journo but there is much better info on this conflict out there. Freddie's delivery is too slow, too mulled over. People following this conflict in depth are exposed to much more indepth material. The perpetual emergency was good, maybe stick to that road.

[@wordshurt2676]

90 percent of the people on the right are pro russia or at least anti Ukraine, would it hurt you so much that you have to hear something that disagrees with you? What a snowflake

[@vgames6792]

Brian Berletic, or Alexander Christoforou would be nice. This Konstatin character does not know anything

[@clivehutt2709]

On this subject KK just can't see the reality, it's obviously personal. A rational mind would reconcile that Ukraine and the West have lost and prolonging this war will only increase the likely hood of a nuclear war as the loosers get more desperate and continue to box themselves in.

[@johnmccaffrey5942]

Also KK’s comments that the US will guarantee security is frankly absurd. It’s been the US state department that has railroaded Ukrainian population into this abject tragedy since it staged the 2014 colour revolution.

[@larrysherk]

It gives me great joy every time I encounter someone who understands all this ! Our propaganda machine has become so constant and so loud.

[@marti6607]

Right, because the Ukrainian population is a bunch of morons unable to understand and decide what's best for their country and need the Yanks to instruct them on the issue. Every move against Russia's centuries-long attempts at taking over our region must be "railroaded" by the Yanks! Dear Westerners, would you please stop treating us Eastern Europeans as mental retards? It's very annoying, condescending and borders on racism. It may be breaking news to you John, but we do have a similar cognitive capacity to yours. Best regards from Poland.

[@johnmccaffrey5942]

@@marti6607 hi Marti you talk about the Ukrainian population. For years they were very happy as an independent neutral country. Their voting patterns even reflected that. From what I can see it’s the Ukrainian people who have been done a great disservice by the Western Elites. It was the US state department who arrange the coup against the Party of the Regions Yanuchovich government which had been democratically elected by the Ukrainian people. Victoria Nuland even had the audacity to pick the Prime Minister of Ukraine. Staggering. The US then ensured puppet regimes were installed in Kiev with the effective banning of the Russian language and anti NATO enlargement political parties. The US ensured constitution of Ukraine was then changed (without ratification of the Ukrainian people) to move the country away from neutrality to allow it to join the NATO war machine - right on Russian borders - with the eastern part of Ukraine more to the East than Moscow - astonishing. To set the record straight I’m not some arrogant Western. Indeed for a very large portion of my life I lived outside the West. I also know Ukrainian people who are fantastic. However there’s no doubt in my mind they have been frog marched into a tragedy which never needed to happen. Ask yourself the question who benefits from this conflict - not the Ukrainian people, not the Russian people but that tiny slither of neoliberals in the West/Washington/London who hope to achieve political hegemony and to continue making vast sums of money with the ever expanding war machine we call NATO. Think about it.

[@marti6607]

@@johnmccaffrey5942 You may know several Ukrainians, but you quite obviously do not know or understand Ukraine and Eastern Europe in general. This is what really triggers me when people from the West who neither lived in our region nor studied its history claim to “have no doubts in their minds” as to what exactly is happening here and what motivates us to think, act and behave the way we do. You very conveniently ignore that the reason behind the “coup” against Yanukovich (which the Ukrainians call the Revolution of Dignity, by the way) was caused by his backtracking (under Putin’s request) on the promise to sign an association agreement with the EU. I’m pretty sure you do not understand that for many Ukrainians EU membership was an extremely important thing. It was a glimmer of hope that Ukraine would finally join a developed, prosperous and democratic Europe. That in order to align it with EU regulations, necessary reforms would need to be implemented to limit corruption and oligarchs’ grip on the country. Young Ukrainians were looking forward to being able to study, work and travel abroad. After decades of communist misery followed by gangster capitalism and terrible corruption, Ukrainians hoped that their country could finally enter a path to “normality”. I know many Ukrainians. I studied with them, I worked with them, I have friends among them. Some are from western Ukraine, and some are from the east. And I remember the mood back then in 2014 and how furious they all were, and how badly they wanted Yanukovich out. And when he sent riot police to brutally suppress peaceful protesters killing more than a hundred people in the process, that was game over for him. I don’t know what your criteria for a “legitimate president” are, but in my book the moment he starts shooting at his people, he loses any legitimacy. Then the first Russian invasion came and the annexation of Crimea which pushed the Ukrainians to seek NATO membership. Now, as far as the US support against Russia meddling in our countries’ affairs is concerned, if I was Ukrainian, I would have absolutely welcomed it! In fact, the US support was crucial for the success of the anti-Russian, anti-communist movement in my country. And “the ever-expanding war machine we call NATO” is actually the only thing guaranteeing that the Baltic states and Poland don’t share Ukraine’s fate. Soon we’re going to have Sweden and Finland joining the alliance. Why do you think is that? Have they also been brainwashed by the Yanks, or perhaps they know something about Russia that you are blind to? Think about it.

[@johnmccaffrey5942]

@@marti6607 hi Marti. Sorry but you’ve answered practically nothing here other than to say the NATO war machine is great and it’ll keep us safe from those dastardly Russian communists who wanted to do nothing but resurrect the USSR and invade us. I do have to ask with respect are you living in a Time Machine. The USSR no longer exists. You talk of Ukrainians wanting to be free from decades of communist misery. Ukraine has been free of communist misery since 1991 when the Soviet Union broke up. Hell Russia has been non-communist since 1991. How did this happen. By the Soviet leadership in one of the greatest acts of peace voluntarily disbanding the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact. In return the Americans promised not to move one inch each of Berlin. Bush senior upheld that but the American neoconservatives broke that promise during the Clinton administration. Even George Kennan the architect of US containment against USSR came out of retirement in his 80’s to denounce US expansion into Eastern Europe. He correctly stated it was wholly unnecessary and would inevitably lead to conflict with Russia. Also don’t get your justification for the US backed coup against the democratically elected Yanukovich govt. It is well known the demonstrations were financed by the US state department. Nuland confirmed $5Billion was pumped into Ukraine to fund the destabilisation of the country and prime it for being taken over by US puppet governments. Of course security forces had to defend themselves when being attacked by American agents . This is nothing unique to Ukrainian security services during the US backed rioting. In all Western countries security forces ultimately use lethal force if they feel their or other people lives are in danger. Ps I’m from N.Ireland so I know all about that. You’ve also conveniently ignored the role of paid Blackwater agents who shot at Ukrainians at Maidan acting as agent provocateurs. Typical US playbook. Got to say Marti it’s a bit rich if you to have a go at Yanukovich when the puppet American regimes in Kiev launched a blitzkrieg against its own population in the Donbas killing up to 15000 Ukrainians citizens there since 2015. Also don’t get why you’ve switched argument to the EU. It’s not about that. Russia never vehemently opposed to that. On that point the draft EU agreement offered by Brussels to Yanukovich was so poor he’d have to have been mad to accept it. What’s caused the conflict is NATO expansion. Something that less than 20% of Ukrainians wanted before the conflict broke out. Poor Ukrainians are being used as pawns by Washington to further their own crazy policy of full spectrum dominance in Europe and Asia. This is something you appear to want. Ask yourself do you really want that. The US blew up Noordstream 2 and they’re supposed to be an ally of Germany. Go figure. German industry now severely compromised. Just one last thing I don’t get. You seem to believe that only people from Eastern Europe can competently comment on the tragic events in Ukraine. What utter nonsense. Not only I’m I European and have been to Eastern Europe (though never Russia or Ukraine) I have many Eastern European friends. When I see madness going on and blatant warmongering from the West I’m more than entitled to voice my opinion. Think about it indeed.

[@carmenlajoie2719]

Ukraine on 🔥 Oliver Stone. RT Crosstalk, IEarlgrey with Eva Bartlett. Children of Dombass, The Duran, George Galloway MOATS with Scott Ritter-Richard Medhurst-Chris Hedges. CGTN The Point-Heat-Hub, Warmongerers Legacy, Remote Killings

[@angeurbain6129]

Sacré Carmen : alors qu'elle sera votre solution dans les prochains mois alors que la défaite de l'Ukraine sera de plus en plus évidente ? Allez vous proposer de doubler la mise ?

[@allydea]

Russia will never accept Ukraine into NATO. If that is not already clear, then I'm not sure what else would convince you. If you think they risked all this international turmoil just to grab a couple of Ukrainian oblasts that will take years to develop into viable parts of the RF, then you're nuts. I see it as much more likely that Russia gives back some territory (not directly of course, but I see them allowing new referenda in Kherson for example, which under new conditions might vote to stay in Ukraine) than allow Ukraine to be westernized militarily. PS: Ukraine has not taken back the Kherson oblast, they have only retaken the capital and hold about 25% of the oblast. Saying that they will be talking back all of Zaporizhia oblast (of which they only control about 20%) as if it's a certainty is also baffling to me.

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

They will have to retake those oblasts to bring Russia to the table. Looks feasible, given recent events.

[@michaelmcfeely6588]

The expansions of NATO, and the threatened expansions of NATO, have provoked the Russians. It was stupid for Western governments to provoke war, and now we have endless war.

[@andreimustata5922]

Before the war Russia had a point of not wanting Ukraine in NATO, now Ukraine has a much stronger point. It doesn't have to be official NATO member but one way or another Ukraine's security has to be guaranteed. This is indeed the only way in which I could see this war ending. If you take into account what is acceptable for Russia you have to keep in mind that Putin has no reason to stop before he destroys Ukraine completely-- that is the only thing acceptable for him. Russia has to be forced into accepting an end to this. I agree that it would be too dangerous to try to take Crimea back from Russia, but giving the Ukraine the ability to threaten Crimea might be one way to force Putin to agree to an independent Ukraine (under the protection of the west).

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

@@andreimustata5922 Ukraine should punch through Melitopol to the Sea of Azov and put pressure on Crimea with longer range glide bombs. Crimea can be kept Russian but demilitarized.

[@andreimustata5922]

@@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 I think that is the idea.

[@SusanHopkinson]

I love these short, pithy outtakes! Thanks Freddie and team 🙏🏻

[@aceofswords1725]

That "Support" for Ukraine has left that country with almost 200,000 dead and with half its population gone missing. Bravo. /slowclap. Just imagine if "the west" didn't decide to "support" ukraine. My god, they would have been "forced" to abide by Minsk agreements they signed, their country would now be whole and all those people would be still alive. The horror!

[@GodNeedsNoReligion]

Don't you mean the invasion has killed 200000?

[@LoremIpsum1970]

Pointless interview given the 'opinions' of the viewership 🤣 Freddie Sayers would be my vote for Appeasement Tsar...as that worked so well last time...

[@fujohnson8667]

Too the front warmonger!

[@LoremIpsum1970]

@@fujohnson8667 blindfold or no blindfold, useful idiot? 🤣

[@bassandtrebleclef]

Asking legit questions of a war that had killed a few hundred thousand = appeasement? Ok guy.

[@fujohnson8667]

@@bassandtrebleclef these people that shout appeasement at anything but escalation would be the 1st ones to avoid a draft if WW3 broke out 🤣🤦‍♂️

[@cwest2702]

Last year, Tuft university in Massachusetts published a study about the US wars outside their own territory. Between 1776 and 2019 they fought 400 wars in the world of which more than a quarter took place since 2000. I find it very hard to believe that Russia can top this. The US military budget currently is 858 bn Dollars. What for? Do they fear an invasion of the Canadians? Furthermore, they have 800 military bases in the world. What for? Interestingly, Kisin does not even mention the role of the US in Ukraine, the Grand Chessboard, the coup to remove Yanukovych, the "Fuck-the-EU" phone call from Nuland etc. BTW. I follow Triggernometry, too. It's a good channel. I don't agree with everything, but I appreciate their performance and their ways to lead the conversation.

[@ThePtoleme]

You should study the history of Russia, which is far ahead of the United States in this regard. Anyway, not only is your argument invalid, but it is typical Whataboutism.

[@lyndabrown6422]

1000% agree. All the wars, instability, distraction, forceful regimes change in the countries for the last two centuries have being created by USA/Great Britain. And with only mission - control, power over resources and preserving the life style of the top elite. Nothing about democracy, justice, stability and safety for the population.

[@afritimm]

"US military budget currently is 858 bn Dollars. What for?" It is only the US that prevents expansionist despots like Putin or Xi from invading all their neighbors. It is only the US that keeps the world's sea lanes open for trade. It is only the US that gives Japan, SKorea, Taiwan, Saudi Arabia, Sweden the confidence NOT to develop their own nukes and start a global arms race. There was no "coup" in Ukraine. Yanukovych reneged on his promise to begin EU talks, and there were popular protests. After killing 100 protesters, Yanukovych fled to his boss in Moscow. Ukraine has had 2 free elections since then with peaceful transfer of power. Compare to 22 years under absolute dictator Putin who jails or murders all his opponents.

[@saxet812004]

Preach

[@lyndabrown6422]

@@afritimm Since 2014 US military is occupying 1/3 of Syria. US government has imposed devastating sanctions on the country, that preventing to provide education, health care and other essential services to population . United States unlawfully sacking oil out of Syria, cutting of the country’s ability to self sustain. Even with devastating earthquake in the last days U.S. government is not considering lift sanctions, at least related to humanitarian aid. . At the same time "despot" Putin with Syrian president had been working on economical reconstruction of Syria, but US strategy is to prevent that possibility. That is your American fucked up liberation...

[@alarlol]

from estonia - DO NOT start ww3 over this. DO NOT!

[@LoremIpsum1970]

Bit late for that. Accept it as a possibility, and get on with life.

[@alarlol]

@@LoremIpsum1970 eh… probably too late , sure.

[@gillianhamilton6535]

Take a look at what the earthquake in Turkey and Syria have just done to thousands of poor people s lives and environnement, in less than an hour, and ask yourselves why you are not striving urgently for peace immediately. Ukraine and the USA provoked bloody war, antagonising the Russian Fédération, and are fuelling death. History is dead. Confrontation is futile. Money is being made and people are dying. MAKE PEACE NOW.

[@nicke0b]

You are a clown 🤡 and don't pretend you care about people...

[@shaneemanuelle6243]

If you’re supporting Ukraine, how do you explain the plight of the people of Donbas from 2014?

[@qigong1001]

I don't support the war, but why do people focus on 2014. Donbas has been volatile for over a century at least. I found this quote from Trotsky..."you can't go to Donbas without a gasmask," 1930's. Lots of different groups, and suggesting they have a common plight is too simplistic and wrong.

[@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304]

Lol. I think Putin should be the one to have to explain that one. Considering he ordered the invasion of Donbas in 2014.

[@hussar6347]

@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 No he didn't. And by the way, what's in your over-extended self-contradictory title? Orthodoxy prohibits proselytizing, by the way.Pentecostal...no idea.

[@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304]

@@hussar6347 Are you claiming the Russian army invaded Ukraine without Putin's permission?

[@hussar6347]

@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 It seems that your absolute "confusion with entanglement", as indicated by the title of your comments, is not only in the religious sphere but also your knowledge of historical facts ... is poor. Southern regions were under shelling by the Ukrainian army!!! (brutally murdering, from 2014 till 2022, more than 18,000 citizens of the same Ukraine citizens!).An answer from "When Trees Will Rule The World Again", in a long and detailed explanation of the whole situation, just went through your head with no effect whatsoever.Looks like you are extremely resilient to many facts!

[@johnmccaffrey5942]

Is KK nuts. An intelligent guy to be sure but I don’t know where he’s coming from here. He says he’d accept Russia keeping the territory its captured and in return Ukraine gets security guarantees. Russia in its December 2021 draft treaty already offered the Ukrainians just that.

[@gulanhem9495]

lol did you forget that Russia would not accept a Nato membership for Ukraine? The "Russian guarantees" are just words on a paper. I am with Russia in this conflict, but let us not ignore facts.

[@johnmccaffrey5942]

@@gulanhem9495 of course Russia wouldn’t accept NATO membership for Ukraine. They’d be nuts to do that. The US controlled NATO has Russia and its vast resources firmly in their sights. Russia tried to join NATO but the Americans wouldn’t let them in. NATO has targeted Russia hence the reason why there is conflict now.

[@egoncorneliscallery9535]

You make a good point but trusting the US to keep their promises is also an issue as the Russians know. Hard to see a way out with the ultra nationalists in power, on both sides.

[@wellardme]

@gulanhem9495 that's geopolitics mate. Finland was always neutral yet prospered under good east west relationships. I always tell people the following when it comes to the existential threat/Russian mindset: 27 million dead + any country NATO (The US has meddled in ended up as a scrap yard). With NATO encroachment, Russia saw itself with a bullseye on its face; the next victim. This was totally ignored.

[@gulanhem9495]

@@wellardme lol my name is not gulanhem9495

[@rossmackenzie7158]

I use to like Konstantin Kisin, I even saw him live with Peter Hitchens however I really can't stand his position on Ukraine. I would appreciate if he had a conversation with someone like Richard Sakwa, Scott Ritter or Alexander Mercouris who actually know about Ukraine rather than acting like a phoney expert

[@ztbrtivbln899]

I wonder what he will say about the neighbour Poland when they grab western Ukraine.

[@georgeh8937]

hello ross. can you explain each of their positions in one sentence and why they are credible? the iffy one is mercouris who seems to be a pro-russian brit.

[@rossmackenzie7158]

@@georgeh8937 Sorry to be long winded. I know Alex and Scott are more pro Russian whilst Sakwa is more neutral. The argument is this: the war is a result of a failure to create a post-cold war order in Europe that included Russia rather than going against Russia. Regarding Ukraine, Ukraine since 2014 (which had been captured by anti-Russian nationalists following the EuroMaidan) was used as a platform/battering ram by the west to humiliate and surround Russia. By 2021 NATO was very much present within Ukraine (2020 NATO Ukraine partnership agreement and NATO membership in Ukraines constitution) whilst pro Russian opposition leader Viktor Medvedchuk had been banned by Zelensky. The Donbas war had been unresolved due to the failure in carrying through the Minsk 2 agreements to which Zelensky had been elected to implement and who had eventually been captured by the anti Russian nationalists(Zelensky’s approval rating would reach 33% in 2021). Putin issued two draft treaties to fix the post Cold War order in Europe which was poised against Russia whilst also putting pressure on Ukraine to come to the negotiating table. The West wouldn’t budge so Putin ordered the SMO into Ukraine to put pressure on Kyiv to come to the negotiating table, this was meant to be a short and sharp operation with minimal casualties and little damage to infrastructure however Russia underestimated Ukraine’s will to fight. However the West and Kyiv believe they are still fighting a Russia that went into Ukraine for a short war however Russia has now adapted for a prolonged conflict to which Ukraine doesn’t have the resources and man power to fight, therefore this year will see Ukraine pushed to the back foot and potentially go to the negotiating table on Russia’s terms. All this is explained from 15:40 by Scott Ritter if your interested: kzbin.infofBGe4US7XFs?feature=share

[@georgeh8937]

@@rossmackenzie7158 hello ross. academics and armchair generals can always come up with justifications for war and make international relations recommendations but 1) do you think that it is bad for one country to invade another 2) do you think it is ok for a country to make political alliances?

[@rossmackenzie7158]

@@georgeh8937 War is terrible and it’s a tragedy for Russia and Ukraine but the question you have to ask is this, why join a security alliance when it undermines your own security and leads to war. Finland and Austria made it through the Cold War as neutrals, I don’t see any reason why Ukraine could have taken a similar option. Ukraine is an existential crisis for Russia whilst its really not a country of importance for the UK and US until it was used as a platform to humiliate Russia and Putin. How would you feel if a United Ireland disregarded the interests of the Unionist North, discriminated against Protestants and formed a military alliance with Russia, is that not a security concern for the UK?

[@raspberrytreacle]

Pull out

[@puccaso]

2:46 by "punch above their weight," he means, "using weapons sent to them by other countries" ultimately making this a proxy war. the level of Unheard questioning and interviewing has dropped significantly. whats going on folks?

[@pb8649]

On this subject KK seems to lose all sense of reality

[@craighart9278]

I do share Freddie's anxiety about what the end game is here. I do get the impression that it will be sending aircraft next, and then surely then it's WW3? I'm just a nobody with no expertise and little knowledge about this whole thing, but I just can't see a way out, and all I hear is our so-called leaders ramping this up.

[@putinstea]

If they can send tanks they can send aircraft. They are going to train ukranians to fly them. To send our own personel, that is the red line we don't cross and won't cross. Edit: grammar.

[@bobanrajowic]

During the Korea war and Vietnam war the Soviet Union was not ashamed to send fighter jets and military consultants to the American enemies. It wasn’t called WW3. Now it’s the same.

[@craighart9278]

@Iorveth I'm completely out of my depth here. OK, let's say we send our aircraft and other countries do the same, which I think will be a big ask, as I don't believe NATO is strong, I don't trust Turkey for a start , very suspicious of them and other countries are not too keen. All the while, China and others look on as we become weaker, and the US and China are not on good terms at all. I just feel that China, Iran and others could see this as a good opportunity to get behind Russia and take on 'the West'. I can't see Putin backing down here and facing humiliation, and I think Zelensky wants far more than would be acceptable for Putin. Just my opinion . I can't see an end, and this will keep taking more and more of our resources leaving us even more vulnerable. We are also vulnerable when it comes to our own outer borders, and who's to say the enemy will not take or are not taking advantage of this. E.g, Russian Ally Iran sending people into Europe as 'refugees' i think the West is extremely vulnerable.

[@craighart9278]

@Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz I don't have a clue what I'm talking about on this whole thing, really. Just sharing my thoughts. I don't trust our-so called leaders right now. I got bad vibes even before the invasion and thought that Boris and others (Inc Liz Truss as Foreign Secretary and even Ben Wallace) were using the Ukraine situation to deflect from domestic issues and willy waving and grandstanding on the World stage. If I felt that everything could have been done to encourage dialogue, then I would think 'Well, we tried everything' but i dont feel that way. I think back to all the grandstanding and I just thought it was not handled well, going well back.

[@bassandtrebleclef]

@@bobanrajowic it is nowhere near the same. We can't have an honest debate by conflating past conflicts with this one.

[@ruth.greening]

What does he know about what's happening on the ground? Which side? Has he been to Donbass? Has he spoken to the Russian speakers there? How does he equate knowing what happens on the ground, to only speaking to the people who he knows?

[@kravchik_22]

I'm from Donbass. Where was he wrong?

[@dharmabum1925]

Any support for Ukraine against Russian aggression should be matched with support for Palestine against Israeli aggression and Yemen against Saudi aggression. For politicians and media to be outraged at the suffering of Ukrainians but complicit in the suffering of Palestinians and Yemenis is beyond hypocritical.

[@georgeh8937]

hey dharma. you are not helping anything with your lame comparison to arabs wanting a new land called palestine.

[@michaelwebb3979]

Really? Israel sends suicide bombers into palastinian terrotories?! Rockets? Drones? Prejudice is always blind.

[@svenjorgensenn8418]

Yeah Palestine isn't real

[@sigmanocopyrightmusic8737]

Stop trying to destroy Israel and it belongs to the Jewish people. Palestine never existed.

[@sigmanocopyrightmusic8737]

Arabs are trying to finish israel. It won't happen

[@dinakatz4036]

when was the last time the west used the word “peace”? i’ll answer, in april, when Boris Johnson informed Zalenski that the est will not support agreement with Russia. so give me a break

[@scdoors4128]

I am getting very tired of seeing KK popping up everywhere, there is such a thing as over exposure.

[@GroundedTech]

You didn't have to watch it. He's literally on the thumbnail and you clicked on it 🤣

[@jorgeclaverie6752]

I was born and raised in South America and I can only say that this gentleman's description of Russia and its imperialists urges fits exactly our view of USA and NATO. His problem is that, in his mind, he has accepted and normalised Western abuse of weaker, Third World countries, but he will not accept the same attitude from the Russians or Chinese. Either he condemns EVERY instance of invasion of a weak nation by a central power or I will not take his biased opinion seriously.

[@grahamstull2330]

Amen.

[@Hugh_de_Mortimer]

Why do expect him to contort his position to agree with you on everything to find what he says interesting or worth your consideration?

[@cluckycluck3053]

South America has got is own problems that are not caused by USA or NATO. Unstable currencies, corruption, populism and dysfunctional governments. In Argentina, everyone cheats on their taxes, so in order to finance their budgets, government has to print money and thereby cause runaway inflation. Sout American countries are repateadlydefauling on their debts.

[@zolandia5262]

The USA is a different sort of empire. Internally its an imperfect democracy which is unlike China or Russia which aren't classified as any sort of democracy. Sure the US interferes in other countries, but it doesn't try and absorb them in to the USA by making them states of the union and inviolable US territory. Nor do US citizens want to move to these territories as colonists, (Hawaii excepted).

[@trendyboymx]

@@zolandia5262 Curious that you make exceptions with Hawaii. Anyone in Mexico (Texas / California) would see it differently, same for Cubans or Puerto Ricans. All three today are the result of US annexations, interference and abuses.

[@dcbrit2003]

Sorry, this guy actually does not know what he is talking about

[@SacClass650]

What did you disagree with?

[@hectorshouse7348]

Already gone WAY TOO FAR. Get out now, lift sanctions, and apologise for 200,000 deaths! Johnson stopped a peace deal in April!

[@dcbrit2003]

@@SacClass650 that Russia is intent on rebuilding the Russian empire

[@SacClass650]

@@dcbrit2003 The preponderance of evidence indicates that Putin has designs that correlate with a glorious past.

[@samb2052]

@@SacClass650Ukraine provoked the Russian reaction with approval and support from the West, particularly the US. The West have repeatedly rejected and deceived Russia, notably the bad faith negotiation of the Minsk Accords. Russia gave ample warning that western armed Ukrainian nationalist fanatics were unacceptable, in much the same way as Russian armed Mexicans shelling Texas would be to the US. And now the western part of Ukraine is being destroyed to protect Biden’s money laundering operation.

[@victorrumyantsev3718]

Why there were no Western support to Iraq, Yemen, Lybia, Syria, Afghanistan, Serbia and many other countries?

[@JoeSchmow]

@konstantinkisin the people that you are referring to are not contrarian for the sake of being on the opposite side of MSM, but they use their critical thinking abilities. When the MSM says something, they don’t just “jump out the window” rather they assess the statements that are made by the MSM, compare to the available “facts”, usually in a multitude of sources, and then decide whether the statements made by MSM make sense. Your straw-manning of the people that disagree with your point of view are very reminiscent of the mis and disinformation we have come to expect from the purveyors of such propaganda.

[@pb8649]

Totally agree

[@Generative_Midi_]

I am respectful of KK on all matters except those relating to Putin. On that topic he is undermined greatly by his personal trauma. I respect his freedom to feel however he wishes, but I have no reason to be swayed by someones lived experiences. The vast majority of Russians, and perhaps the global community too support Putin in this proxy war against the US and NATO, and the bludgeon regime it installed in Kyiv.

[@hussar6347]

100% spot on analysis.

[@pb8649]

Agree totally

[@PhageTheFinalCure]

Well that's clearly utterly false, non of what you have said is founded on anything factual. Russia's biggest supporters are mostly in essence fellow dictatorships. There have literally been publicly shown votes of leaders from over a 100 countries and the world resoundingly sided with Ukraine, and for good reason. Russia is very clearly in the wrong, and it's not their first move to expand into their neighbouring countries. Just look at Georgia, Chechnya, Belarus, and now Ukraine. There's a reason why everyone is clambering to join NATO, and it's got to do with Russia being a pretty viscous neighbour with ambitions for empire.

[@hussar6347]

@@PhageTheFinalCure Every word is you write is a lie. And you know it. Greeks are not followers of 'dictatorships' and the Greek ppl , and millions of PEOPLE around the world support Putin's reaction to NATO provocation. They lament Ukraine's 'capture' by greedy war industries / corporations , and they support Russia's attempt to pre-empt U.S./NATO existential threat . How convenient that your 'followers' of dictatorships don't include the U.S., WHICH WAS CLEARLY' IN THE WRONG', INVADING IRAQ , on false pretenses. Know history plz.

[@sv_gravity]

"Americans. Who else is going to guarantee anything in this world ?" Whahaha, what a joke, theater of absurd. Do not know anything about this guy, other than that according to Wikipedia he is a satirist. So this entire discussion must be satire. "Happy ending like in Afghanistan" is what Americans can guarantee. Rest of the questions and point are so ridiculous to even mention or discuss here. One more vid like this and i will unsub.

[@duncefunce1513]

OOOOOOOOOOH, hark at you.

[@hectorshouse7348]

He's an establishment wannabe, best ignored

[@SacClass650]

Would you rather the world dance to the beat set by Russia, China, North Korea? Just curious. Has America made mistakes, of course, but America and the west as liberal democracies wish to universalize individual rights as they are "universal". You yourself right now are testament to the efficacious principles nourished and ensured by the west. (And Afghanistan is a bad example to cite for your argument, Afghanistan is objectively worse without the west's presence.)

[@mayorofrlyeh8042]

You would be massively surprised what happens should the US ever decide to step away from their international engagements and isolate. Trust me, it is going to be a world that is far worse than the one we currently live in.

[@SacClass650]

@@ged999 Why?

[@strandpromenade]

Just because Kisin is half Russian half Ukrainian doesnt mean he knows too much about history. If I ask Brits about the British history they also wouldnt know many things. His views on Russia and Putin are very simplistic, in my view a bit strange for a guy who is so sharp and spot on in many topics (e.g. Covid, Wokism)

[@imantsvitols9758]

Trust me KK knows history -especially history and culture of that region -if you wanna measure people of different origins by Brits ...good luck -that's a nation which national costume is a tracksuit

[@shelleyphilcox4743]

@@imantsvitols9758 The UKs national dress is actually the suit, which has been internationally culturally appropriated. The original suit, trousers, waistcoats and fitted jackets tailored from the same fabric, and the development t of the cravat to the modern tie originates in England from the style of Beau Brummel, who in the 19th century, redeveloped the suit into the sartorial elegance that then proliferated around the world and is worn everywhere.

[@imantsvitols9758]

@@shelleyphilcox4743 yep -for some folks sun still never goes down on empire -while it have been a deep an dark night for a while already -every sixth child in UK is born in family in which in 3 generations nobody ever have had a job -talkin about these suits

[@shelleyphilcox4743]

@@imantsvitols9758 Empire has been over for some time across the globe. The ones still standing are Russia and China. No one is compelled to wear suits, they simply caught on and remained popular. The suit is worn by countries who were never part of the British Empire, so it has stood on it's own merits as smart and convenient attire. In terms of unemployment, it's worth noting that the UK is not suffering from long term endemic unemployment on any great scale. The UKs unemployment rate is low, currently at 3.7%. For context, that is commensurate with rates in Oceania, the lowest unemployment area on the planet. For countries with comparable populations and economy sizes in the geographic area, let's look at a few. France 7.4%, Germany 5.6%, Italy 7.8%, Spain 12.87%, Portugal 6.5%, Poland 5.2%. Czech Republic is doing well at 3.9%. Netherlands 3.5%. The USA is 3.4%. It is true there are pockets of the UK where unemployment is higher than the average, but that is the case anywhere. Overall the UK does not seem to be having the same issues as many other places...and I have not even looked at countries further afield with truly heartbreaking levels of unemployment and particularly youth unemployment.

[@imantsvitols9758]

@@shelleyphilcox4743 well -thank you -i really value oportunity to meet the whole set of the Pickwick Club in this comment section -you are really one of a kind -hope you still keeping up the appearances at your Royal Leamington Spa

[@richardthomas4471]

Kisin is just wrong about Russia’s motivations, and he needs to be less emotional and more analytical. Russia hasn’t ‘conquered’ anything, it has rationalized the border with Ukraine and saved four million Russian speakers from subjugation by extreme right wing fascists (who have been aided and abetted by the West - read that as the US and NATO).

[@Daveyboyz1978]

Everyone talk about the risks if Russia loses, do they not remember the risks when dictators won (Hitler in the Sudatenland, remilitarisation of the Rhineland and other movers people let him get away with) It only made the job harder later on that we had shied away from the confrontation when he was weak.

[@odineproci2455]

He is right about this war ending as a limited landgrab for Russian-speaking regions. He is wrong on the U.S. role as guarantor of stability after the war. Without U.S. meddling, there would be a pro-Kremlin government in Kiev with no talk of joining NATO, centuries old Russian military bases in Crimea still paying rent to Kiev, no civil war in Donbas region and absolutely no need to change the borders between the two countries. Ukraine was a bridge between Russia and the EU which the Americans happily blew up like they blew up the Nordstream pipelines - for purely selfish reasons. Dismantling of Russia and its nuclear arsenal is the ultimate goal of U.S. policy in Ukraine and they are willing to sacrifice the last Ukrainian to achieve global U.S. hegemony. Make no mistake - it would be absolute tyranny once China and India are also subjugated. Even if you are an average American - think about how "the swamp" is reworking the U.S. from within. Lack of opposition in the world would remove any pretense for needing freedom and democracy - you would come under the boot like the rest of us.

[@jozsefnemeth935]

The most excellent concise summary I have read. Unfortunately, in a liberal democracy, openly criticizing the liberal hegemony does not pay off and is rather risky for any media. Europe is 500 million people, more than USA and Russia together, but without a brain and a heart. Now also without energy, apart from the lucky ones

[@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304]

You forgot about what Ukrainians want. They don't want Russia meddling in their politics. They don't want Russian troops on Ukrainian territory. They don't want to be another Belarus. And they certainly don't want to be part of Russia.

[@gulanhem9495]

Yes, this is exactly why I'm 100% on Russia's side in this conflict. It's unfortunate for Ukraine, but this just is the reality of the matter. Because we need strong world powers to be in opposition to an increasingly woke and very scary USA. We all need to realize that the US is a changed nation and it happened in just 10 years. Woke marxists have just hijacked the institutions, they're stabilizing and securing their control for decades, and are focused on transforming the whole American society . Just imagine when they set their sights on foreign policy. I didn't in the past, but today I hate American influence on the world from the bottom of my heart. It's pure ideological poison.

[@wellardme]

Very well said!!

[@ezemdianosike5277]

How much support? At least $100 Billion a year, until the great Russian menace is defeated and the Almighty [[Zelensky]] reigns with a scepter of justice and benevolence. The end.

[@evolassunglasses4673]

Ukraine is just being used and will end up being destroyed. The NeoCons destroyed Iraq Syria Libya Afghanistan and will end up destroying Ukraine.

[@hectorshouse7348]

Already gone WAY TOO FAR. Get out now, lift sanctions, and apologise for 200,000 deaths! Johnson stopped a peace deal in April!

[@iakona23]

$100 billion per year from the Western Allies would be an incredible bargain to neutralize the Russian threat and to discourage Russia’s main ally China from invading Taiwan. The U.S. alone spends $800 billion per year on defense and many of the NATO allies are barely spending 1% of GDP on defense right now. Germany alone announced last year a $100 billion program not including their regular defense spending to try to catch up after decades of underspending and neglect of their military. What do you think the costs would be in economic losses and defense spending and lives lost if the West’s refusal to defend Ukraine encourages China to launch a full-scale World War 3 against the USA and its allies to conquer Taiwan and to militarily dominate the Pacific region and then the world?

[@samb2052]

His former Foreign Minister was a notable recipient of the benevolence.

[@iakona23]

@@samb2052 You lie. Which former Foreign Minister in the Zelensky Government received corrupt payments from Western Sources since the Feb. 2022 invasion. Please tell me. Where is your proof? You lie.

[@boooo6789]

I love Triggernometry and KK, but on the subject of the Ukraine war he is completely wrong. The fact that he is of Ukrainian/Russian descent does not make him an expert. If you think it does, I can put you in touch with a colleague of mine who has almost exactly the same background and has significant scientific credentials to his name who says almost the exact opposite of what KK says here. But man, Freddie, you are awesome! You might as well be my favorite podcaster/interviewer right now! Hats off

[@elkpaz560]

Russell Brand is good on this subject. Zelensky giving the reconstruction to JP Morgan Godlman Sachs and Blackrock.

[@steeleg3859]

You have candles burning right next to books…

[@leunisvandewege9651]

That's very practical these days.

[@ericberg2131]

LOL

[@researchscholar]

For someone who claims he knows alot of what is happening on the ground because of his dual-ethnic background, he seems remarkably ignorant, and is prone to making cavalier sweeping statements. In terms of Kherson city, the Ukrainians have effectively retaken a poisoned chalice. Most of the population in Kherson city -- which, in any case, were pro-Russian -- evacuated in advance of Russia's tactical withdrawal to the eastern bank of the Dnipro. The skies over Kherson city have since been buzzing with Russian surveillance and kamikaze drones. Ukrainian military vehicles -- trucks, infantry fighting vehicles, self-propelled artillery, tanks etc -- are systematically being eliminated once they are out in the open in the city. The Russians will retake Kherson city once they secure the Nova Kakhovka dam which the Ukrainians were threatening to destroy and thus flood Kherson.

[@hussar6347]

Col.McGregor has quite solid intelligence on this , and his analysis corroborates what you write.

[@benjamincourts4685]

its you that doesn't grasp that Russia losing Kherson was a huge blow to Russia because it allows Ukraine to hold the Russian on the Dniper river, making it a far more defensible position for Ukraine and making it very hard for Russia to move on Odessa like Russia claims they plan to

[@Laurencemardon]

Is his approach maybe going towards a negotiated settlement that apparently includes ceding a goodly amount of these contested territories to Russia, though? So he’s looking to end the conflict by procedures inclusive of a substantial withdrawal of as of yet in expended human and military resources. I am perhaps reminded of the bible story of the two putative mothers claiming a wee infant before ( ?) our dear lord and saviour, Jesus China Korea, and He sorted out who was there with what agenda, putted the usurper, and preserved the child’s life. If Jesus lives anywhere among us during these turbulent times, surely he would be placing the higher value on the saving of the most innocent of lives. North sayin ng there s no meaningful support for this idea in the Donbas, in st Petersburg in Kiev, or in Toronto and/ or New York City, but I mainly only see civilized and engaging discussions in segments produced in northern, central and even Southern Europe Europe, and also from the near east and Arab- governed states in the so called Middle East. China’s Xi-Peng withheld overt approval from Russia less than three months ago for his invasion of the Ukraine but hey that was a long time ago, now. Anyways,… The amount of DAMAGE in most of these regions in terms of roads bridges power supply, buildings farmland and undeveloped natural areas is very under-recognized in many of the discussion s that most of us armchair (or pilot’s platforms) type observers are provided with ready access to. Print media can still deliver a superior news product, imho, but these are monthly billing’s not free with KZbin etc. Posted day 38/23 by ye olde not-mardon acct user

[@darrobinson9830]

Agreed

[@hussar6347]

@@benjamincourts4685 OK, WE'LL SOON SEE.

[@isaacolivecrona6114]

How will Ukraine retake these regions when Russia is about to put in another 500,000 troops and Ukraine is down to conscripting 16 y.o.?

[@vgames6792]

dude, there are chinese spy balloons, and ufo's. Look at them, and dont ask questions!

[@mickeysimon3789]

Russia already have 97%% of their army in Ukraine. All mobilized troops are already fighting. Its funny you didnt know that.

[@vgames6792]

@@mickeysimon3789 "97%% of their army" based on ben wallace statement? If you would use your brain, you would come to conclusion that this is not possible. You just repeating propaganda, mate. Now, pls tell me how they fight with shovels. How many boosters you've got? my guess is four, and you should definitely get fifth one as well

[@gerhard7323]

Freddie Sayer proved yet again to be an exemplary polite, patient, unflappable interviewer here. KK is irritable, irritating and needlessly chippy about just about everything throughout.

[@rocketpig1914]

Yeah... not sure why he needed to be so uppity.

[@fujohnson8667]

A few appearances on the BBC and a few viral clips will do that 😂

[@smartacus13]

Yeah freddie is great! The same kinda thing (with KK) is happening (or has already happened depending who you ask) to Jordan peterson. In other words, getting a little too big for their boots. But then, I advocate free speech so maybe I should just live and let live!

[@gerhard7323]

@@smartacus13 I know EXACTLY what you mean. Touch of the 'I can't quite be bothered with these people God complex' type thang. Often enjoyed them both in the past but this is why these types go to see 'shrinks' in America. Both losing a wee bit of perspective methinks and could do with a bit of grounding.

[@mavericktheace]

Agreed. Part of that is the personality differences. But I really think being a new father is costing KK some much needed rest.

[@Cheesy-t1h]

Wow, so surprising that he would give away so much, I assumed he'd say drive them to whence they came. This is a much more realistic stance.

[@ThePtoleme]

This is the approach of some Ukrainian officials. But it must be accompanied by a continuation of sanctions against Russia.

[@GroundedTech]

If you want further escalation that's exactly the thing to do yes.

[@hussar6347]

@@ThePtoleme Sanctions against half the world (that the U.S. dislikes).Sanctions are cowardly war measures.

[@gulanhem9495]

@@ThePtoleme Then that's obviously not an end to the war. Russia would never accept those terms. That Donbass belongs to Russia must be acknowledged by the UN and then end of all sanctions.

[@SzTz100]

If you believe in driving the Russians out completely then we will all be incinerated. Medvedev pretty much said it.

[@TheAndergorn]

An awkward and defensive conversation. Wishing my last experience of KK was watching him perform at Oxford speech. FS very professional.

[@hermitpermit2553]

Its nust his manor ..watch many of his interviews its just his personality

[@alexugur]

The industrial military complex is not the only vested interest driving the war in Ukraine. The 2014 coup had already allowed the IMF to move into Ukraine and dictate neo-liberal market fundamentalist policy. This had led to foreign investors buying into the Ukrainian economy, purchasing land, resources, public holdings, etc, all at the lowest and most corrupt prices possible. However, that wasn't cheap or liberal enough for their liking. So how to depress prices even further? How to make even more previously inaccessible resources available? Now that the western backed war has destroyed the Ukrainian part of the Ukraine, socially, financially, and economically, Western vultures will soon be free to pick over the battlefield. In a defiant sales pitch, Zelensky has just said that Ukraine is now open for business and that he is already cutting cooperation deals with US financial and investment giants such Blackrock, JP Morgan, and Goldman Sachs. By pushing the Ukrainian's war to the point of self-destruction, the corporate West has turned the country into a basket case. With the west of Ukraine engulfed by ethnic fanaticism and witch hunts, the rich will be able to cream off: the vultures will now be able to buy up much of the lands and resources for no more than handouts and promises. These are truly medieval times.

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

So Putin has no effect on all of this? He is a puppet of the IMF? Give me a fucking break.

[@alexugur]

@@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 Putin has no effect on the actions of the West, other than to serve as a public bogeyman. For their part, the Russians have their own security concerns, which both the West and the Ukrainian Ultranationalists violated. No one truly can know Putin's own personal agenda, but there's no plausible evidence that he's anything like the West has made him out to be. And why on earth are you suggesting that Putin is an IMF puppet? Nothing could be further from the truth, especially as Russian, China, and the BRICS+ are now creating their only alternatives to the Dollar as global reserve currency, the IMF, Swift, etc..

[@aclvaz]

Ok, so I see that Konstantin reason for supporting Ukraine is basically because of xenophobia... That's what he is truly saying. That Russia is a country that inherently will try to expand as an empire. So it's a problem of Russia and a problem of Russians. It's an issue with the people. I contest that Russia is seen as expanding the empire because that's the way we have been looking at Russia for decades. If you treat Russia as a menace, as the source of all evil, then Russia will become exactly that. Why wouldn't it?? Germany is no longer the source of all evil because we decide to trade with them and treat them as an equal. Why is everyone so surprise with the invasion of Ukraine when Putin has been saying that that would happen inevitably if Russia's concerns were not addressed?

[@youtubevilleofgoodwill946]

Germany sends rescue dogs to Turkey and war machines to Ukraine. You don’t see some cognitive dissonance there? It’s time to negotiate.

[@777nydia1]

There's no dissonance. Just horses for courses.

[@VincitOmniaVeritas7]

Why would need war machines after an earthquake?

[@slawko]

negotiate what? and with whom?

[@mavericktheace]

Quite the poignant place to end the clip! Food for thought.

[@seanmoran2743]

Konstantin’s historic knowledge is very poor He’s completely ignoring the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth Swedens historical history Austria Hungary France etc etc etc These things are extremely complicated And let’s also not forget Rule by Aristocracy is very different from so called Democracy If he supports Western Intervention he’s supporting the Military Industrial and Congressional Complex and continues war from Vietnam onwards in a drive for American Hegemony and Globalisation The same powers that gave us Iraq onwards us what Konstantin is supporting If Konstantin thinks Ukraine is going to keep the east of Ukraine now after fighting Americas proxy war then he’s They are taking a battering 😢 Angain I refer to Col Macgregor Ret

[@christos773]

I like listening to mr Kisin arguing on different subjects, because he gives valuable points to think about. That said, I am surprised by the superficial views of mr Kisin on the subject he is trying to analyze in this short video. I am strongly against any invasion of any country in another country, unless is an act of self-defense. Here are my questions: There was the Minsk Treaty to be signed between Russia and Ukraine, guaranteed by France and Germany together. This Treaty was giving autonomy to the regions that Russia invaded and now occupies, but under the Government of Kiev. Why Kiev refused to sign at the last moment after months of negotiations? What was the involvement of UK in that? Why this happened exactly when there was a change of Chancellorship in Germany? Without expanding more, my point is that there is a lot that have to be addressed, that exist below the surface.

[@marcgatto9675]

KK has a blind spot or two. The best way to defend Ukraine is to press for a ceasefire. Not pouring in arms and money.

[@fujohnson8667]

I think you should be able to opt out of your taxes going to Ukraine - I don’t want to support a country as if not more corrupt than Russia because the Hawks in DC and the Biden crime family have interests in doing so.

[@itscomingyourway]

I'd like to opt out of lots of government services in return for tax rebates. Unfortunately that's not going to happen.

[@johnsmith1474]

You get to think what you wish, it's a childish idea that has so little basis in reality it's incomprehensible unless you are a kid, but go for it.

[@fujohnson8667]

@@johnsmith1474 go to the frontline if you feel so strongly about it? No of course not because you wouldn’t be able to post on Facebook and Instagram. Hi 77th.

[@ASH-cn7qs]

He must go and defend Zelinsky now. why is he still hiding in UK?

[@volvo24091]

That is what spoilt brats do

[@dominicrooney5638]

Straight off the bat, Oppositional defiance disorder lol straight from Mao 'we must oppose what our enemies support and support what our enemies oppose' kicks in beautifully with a particular sort of spoilt rebellious edge lord Westerner.

[@PeterKolding]

One should recall that at the start of the war Kisin's Triggernometry KZbin channel ran a fund-raising campaign to aid Ukraine. After collecting the money, they decided to constrain the aid to "non-military" support". I think Kisin has now changed his views on the wisdom of this decision, but that is just speculation, as he has never addressed this issue.

[@Plajerity]

You mean it changes anything? Maybe a view how other people see him... If Ukraine gets money for non-military support, they can afford to spend more money on weapons.

[@andreimustata5922]

If I recall correctly the reason for "non-military" support was that he didn't see how Ukraine could resist to the Russian attack, so he thought that there was no point in fighting. Probably the Ukraine resistance made him change his mind. If I remember correctly it took some time for US to get invested in helping Ukraine militarily also, for the same reason.

[@svenjorgensenn8418]

No such thing as non military. If you send food, where do you think it will go. This guy seems like a fake smart person

[@egoncorneliscallery9535]

Yes, you are right. It is a case of all in sunk cost behaviour once the Rubicon had been crossed. He is perfectly inline w US policy. Too bad for Europe, the Ukraine and Russia . Lots of skin off lots of backs..

[@andreimustata5922]

@@egoncorneliscallery9535 I am not sure why you find his decision not aligned with what is best for Ukraine. It is not like now there would be less Ukrainians casualties if Ukraine would not get the weapons. Quite the opposite.

[@zadovrus1624]

Talking about % of GDP is pointless, because USA's contribution dwarves all of Baltic states contribution combined

[@radiantmind8729]

If we don’t want Russia acting out, maybe we should urge our leaders to stop constantly harassing Russia. Maybe we should actually honor and abide by the agreements we make with them. Anybody ever think of that?

[@Kazia0002]

Funny. Did you know russia guaranteed ukrainian border security and untouchability if they gave up nukes? The idiots actually believed that and ghen 2014 happened. Russia broke the treaty first.

[@norinretrescu2474]

"Guaranteed by the Americans ultimatley" ..... "Well, who else is going to guarantee anything in thius world" 🤣😂🤣😂blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs will be the kingdom of heaven😂🤣🤣🤣😂

[@brucetillerson3329]

On woke stuff he is good. On the SMO he is woefully wrong! He is not the only "conservative" who is in favour of the war, probably as a gut reaction rather than clear thinking. If the countries bordering Russia are nervous why did they go along with the baiting on the bear?

[@henrylicious]

Probably because they though it would have turned out better?

[@ostevoostevo8989]

Nobody was “baiting the bear”. Putin wants to recreate the Russian empire. He sees himself as the new czar and he made up all kinds of stories about “de- nazification “ etc to justify his invasion. The countries Konstantin referred to have nearly all been occupied by Russia in the USSR times and they don’t want to by occupied by Russia again. Nothing to do with bear baiting Bruce.

[@pb8649]

Just like the UK. They think America is going to back them up. So wrong.

[@AlexanderSeven]

It's a lie that Donbass area is not important for Ukraine, in fact it's the most developed, resource rich and industrialized part of country that created most of added value, which then went to Kiev mostly and was stolen by oligarchs. Add to that Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk and Odessa, and what is left is a poor agricultural country without sea access that will have the life level of Moldova at best.

[@PhageTheFinalCure]

I struggle to grasp why so many say that "Russia has nukes, so we mustn't upset them or prevent their expansion into other countries." That's a pointless stance, under that principal Russia can and will take whatever it wants, the world would be given to the most viscous dictators with the most nukes. Sometimes accepting possible death is better than the alternative. The idea that we must forfeit because they have nukes is simply fear and cowardice that's knowingly or unknowingly masked by a false and warped logic. Appeasement is simply feeding the lion everything you have first, in the hope that it will eat you last

[@wadegoodwin6773]

I wonder if your guest displays the same enthusiasm of disgust and moral indignation such blatant and obvious US and Western hegemony that has been in place/progress for 100's of years now, leaving the global South substantially weaker and poorer that they might have been under their own steam?

[@mon_avis2978]

ca. 7:15. Arrgh. Is it disdain with which Freddie says, "guaranteed by the Americans ultimately, then"? To which KK retorts, "Well, who else is gonna guarantee anything in this world?" Do these guys have any inkling how unpopular the war in Ukraine is with American populace?

[@carlosmalveiro2068]

Kisin still have a blind spot on this...

[@Screaming-Trees]

I think perhaps this guy has a conflict of interest (because of his roots he feels strongly one way or another) and this precludes any possibility of some semblance of objective analysis here. Chomsky, Mearsheimer have both said there is no evidence for the whole "Russia empire rebuilding" point. Also the Scandinavian countries had neutrality agreements in place with Russia. They didn't need to get involved at all.

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

Mearshceimer and Chomsky objective? On what planet in what galaxy? Sweden and Finland are joing NATO because they are not morons who can't see the writing on the wall. Their doing so is a measure of Russian idiocy.

[@Screaming-Trees]

@@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 I mean no offence here but you sound like a under-educated ignoramus mate. I'd suggest you hit the books and learn a thing or two before you decide to open your mouth. This is not meant as an insult just some life advice.

[@DieFlabbergast]

On the other hand, he is Russian and is proud of Russian culture, on the other hand part of his family are Ukrainians. Seems to balance out if you ask me. Is that all you've got?

[@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304]

No evidence. Apart from invading neighboring countries and annexing their territory.

[@Screaming-Trees]

​@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 Well that's an oversimplification. The antecedent causes are far more extensive than we like to admit. What we did in Iraq and what we are still doing in Syria I would argue is imperialism. To date we stole 125bn worth in oil from Syria for example. But we did it under the pretext of self-defence. The causal spectrum of what you see playing out now in Ukraine needs to include us fucking over Gorbachev when he agreed to withdraw the red army from Europe (he did on the promise that Nato wouldn't expand "one inch" east from Berlin). It needs to include the State Department executed coup d'etat in 2014 for which we have very tangible evidence. This in turn triggered a secessionist movement in these eastern provinces which you now reference here as victims of imperialist annexation. It needs to include an eight year old civil war triggered by the 2014 coup d'etat. Secessionist movements formed in the immediate aftermath of the 2014 coup. Even referendums were held on secession that were favourable to Russia. We like to pretend that these were fixed but the UN reports that exist on the issue (there are 8 years of quarterly reports on the civil war in the Ukraine since 2014 by the way) suggest otherwise. In response to these secessionist movements forming the Ukrainian government did what every government in history has done regarding secessionist movements. It overreacted and sent in the military. The irony here is it was their legislative agenda that largely contributed to these movements forming in the first place. So when enumerating the causal spectrum this needs to be included as well. Once Ukraine sent in the military the entire think took a Northern Ireland kind of flavour. The thing to note also is that these provinces that are disputed are inhabited by Russian minorities. In fact they are almost entirely Russian minorities that live there. Again this makes the whole thing very similar to what happened in Norther Ireland. I.e. the British turned the native Irish into second class systems with discriminatory economy policies and legislation. This caused secessionist movements for formalize and the events at Bogside triggered the IRA. The rest is history. Same thing here. What is never talked about is that Ukraine has a large Russian minorities population. Over 35%. They live in these disputed areas mostly. How is Ukraine ever going to win there if they don't have the support of the population there? It isn't possible. The unfortunate news for Ukraine is that unlike the Irish who didn't have a an external benefactor the people that live in these eastern Ukraine provinces do. And even worse news is that these benefactors are a country with a difficult to imagine pain threshold. They threw 30 million citizens at the Nazis and won. They killed 7 million Nazis in the process. How did we repay them for winning WW2? By fucking them over with a cold war. But that's another conversation. And quite possibly the worst news of all is the fact that this benefactor has declared the situation in Eastern Ukraine an existential issue for them. They have almost unlimited resources. Of the worst kind. The kind that can make almost infinite amounts of war materiel. They have already turned their economy into a war economy (we can't do that for reasons that should be obvious to you). So yeah you can say the Russians are imperial and are invading countries but I say bullshit. The causal spectrum surrounding events in Ukraine today doesn't bear that conclusion out. Moreover everyone from Chomsky to Matlock to Chas Freeman, to George Kennan FFS (George fucking Kennan!!!) have come out and openly spoken against Nato expansion. Their account of the events and their conclusions are that we have done everything possible to provoke this conflict and this has nothing to do with Russia expanding and randomly invading countries. At every turn Ukraine has doubled down on this path it's been on. There were diplomatic solutions on the table but for whatever reason they didn't want that. The Scandinavia style neutrality deal that was on the table, guaranteed by the Germans and French by the way, was forgone. It was a very reasonable deal. Scandinavian countries are the worlds' most prosperous. That model was available to Ukraine. Why didn't they take that off ramp? Now the hour is late and they will suffer the full brunt of this juggernaut. This guy Konstantin's assessment of Nato getting involved and taking back Crimea etc etc this is pure fantasy land. Nato has never won a war. It took 6 million Nazis to occupy the eastern front and this still wasn't enough. Is Europe ready for 6 million dead without any guarantees of success? And this says nothing of any potential nuclear conflict that could arise that could produce hundreds of millions dead Europeans. The Nazis were far better than Nato tactically and organizationally as a fighting force. They had tremendous discipline and innovative tactics. They were fanatical. They still lost. Turns out you can't beat Russia because their pain threshold is simply too high and they have strategic resources to produce unlimited quantities of war materiel. Europeans don't. We might be able to compete with Russian industrial output if we could turn our economy into a war economy but that's not going to happen. And Europe's got dick. They have no strategic resources of any kind. And no appetite for a fight. If we haven't learned that the Russians will never accept edicts and dictates from Europe we are pretty fucking stupid. And it seems this is indeed the case. We provoked this fight. We don't have the manpower, the willpower or the strategic resources necessary to win it but we're still doubling down. Sooner or later something will have to give., And when it does we will ghost this conflict like we've ghosted so many others and move on to easier targets. It will probably coincide with Raytheon et al having gorged themselves enough on the profits and the rising spectre of nuclear fallout. The neoliberals will finally have to give up their dream of balkanizing Russia. Which was always fantasyland thinking anyway. We are talking about a dumb bunch of motherfuckers after all.

[@sandrab297]

KK is very defensive and quite insulting - to say that those with a different view just likes to oppose MSM, how condescending. Maybe it's too close to home for him to comment without emotion. I don't see that Putin wants to conquer other countries, he would surely have gone in a lot harder if he wanted to take the whole of Ukraine, I think he's made it clear what he wants is a neutral Ukraine.

[@bolivarrubiano5798]

It ends with "Who else is going to guarantee anything in this world!!" That statement is profound!

[@Markusctfldl]

Kisin claims he "knows a lot" about the situation, but makes a rather buffoonish error on the territories in question. While it is true Russia left the capital of Kherson, it retains control of around 80% of the region, which is on the east bank of the Dnieper. And how is he so sure Ukraine is going to "retake the rest of Zaporozhye" soon. Maybe they will, but to just claim this as a given is rather stupid. Russia lost the parts of Kharkov it controlled prior to mobilization when it was woefully understaffed. It abandoned Kherson city when logistics across the Dnieper became too heavy a lift. None of these issues are present in Zaporozhye. They are highly unlikely to withdraw from that area, so Ukraine will have to win a pitched battle, in a zone where the forces have parity in numbers. How many will die doing that? Another 100,000, press ganged into the army? One wonders...

[@urniurl]

6:08 So if the eastern regions aren't important, why are they fighting? Why did the minsk agreements fail?

[@brentmckenzie5808]

Excellent comment. That is all Putin wanted. To allow the Eastern Oblasts to self-determination. In fact the Minsk Agreements would have seen them stay within the broader Ukraine Federation but have protection around their language, culture and religion. Such a shame that this was sabotaged from the start.

[@Mezzo396]

@@brentmckenzie5808 All Putin wanted following his annexation of Crimea was to continue to erode Ukranian sovereignty and take more land. Then when thats accomplished what next? All Hitler wanted was to unite the Germans in Austria. Then the Germans in Sudentland, then Memel, then Danzig.

[@lemilemi5385]

WHY WHY WHY is anyone giving time to this less than mediocre mind??? A walking cliche!

[@istvantoth7431]

Congrats, you asked the worst person (kisin) you possibly could on this matter.

[@georgeh8937]

here is the real problem freddie. it is all up to russia. does anyone remember the campaign to end slavery? only a few British put it in moral terms. they said forget past practice. is slavery wrong? then a moral country has to do something either big or small to live up to their ideals. the british were willing to use diplomacy and the navy to interfere or reduce the slave trade. is it wrong for russia to invade? then countries have to do something either big or small. if russia wins you would have acted according to your conscience as opposed to giving in to timidity and saying this-is-not-our-problem.

[@michaelmcfeely6588]

I will identify how the ruling elite wants me to think and vote, and I will do the opposite.

[@johnsmith1474]

"If they give you ruled paper, write the other way." - Juan Ramon Jimenez, poet, Nobel Prize in literature (1881-1958).

[@RuneDrageon]

You do realize thats how you get to be manipulated after the first few successes, you do need more of an effort to avoid it.

[@maro0016]

There seems to be the split in the west between left that supports Ukraine and populist right that’s is sceptic. East Europeans understand the problem better and all support Ukraine (except the Hungarian dictator)

[@allydea]

Russia will never accept Ukraine into NATO. If that is not already clear, then I'm not sure what else would convince you. If you think they risked all this international turmoil just to grab a couple of Ukrainian oblasts that will take years to develop into viable parts of the RF, then you're nuts. I see it as much more likely that Russia gives back some territory (not directly of course, but I see them allowing new referenda in Kherson for example, which under new conditions might vote to stay in Ukraine) than allow Ukraine to be westernized militarily. PS: Ukraine has not taken back the Kherson oblast, they have only retaken the capital and hold about 25% of the oblast. Saying that they will be talking back all of Zaporizhia oblast (of which they only control about 20%) as if it's a certainty is also baffling to me.

As the war continues, it seems that Russia is not in a position to dictate terms.

[@TommyBeaux]

Maybe the US should not have regime changed Ukraine in 2014. Sometimes things come back to bite one in the ar$e.

[@eylab1541]

Wow, somebody who tries to make his own mind up on things instead of joining one or another clique.

[@pmt2567]

Konstantin forgets that Crimea and most of the eastern regions of Ukraine are full of russians, who are afraid of 2014 regime change supported by the West in a clear violation of Ukraine's sovereignity. He doesn't seem to remember that the new ukrainian regime forbade russian language in the whole country, and that Merkel said that Minsk agreements were only for "buying some time" for the Ukrainian army to rebuild and attack those separatist regions. He forgets that the U.S blocked Cuba and threatened a military intervention when USSR installed "defensive" missiles there. He forgets that the U.S blew up a critical gas infrastructure for Germany. He fortgets that Europe's citizens are paying for this crazy militarism with constant rising prices of food and energy, and the U.S military complex's benefits. Russian invasion was and is a barbaric act, but it's not like we didn't know it was going to happen! If we treat the World like it belongs tu us, when it's clearly multipolar (Russia, China, India...). And remember: it's not what we think, it's what the russians think. And if we don't want the world to be over in a nuclear holocaust, or the cost of living to make it unbearable to live decently anymore, we should be seeking PEACE, not military scalation.

[@jaytsecan]

Your comment is right on the mark. Thank you

[@joshuapaul2022]

People don't see what they don't want to see. Ukraine can not win this war, they never could. It is too painful for their supporters to watch. According to WaPo of all places Russians have 1:6 advantage in artillery (you can imagine their real advantage). 85% of Ukrainian soldiers are killed even without seeing an enemy. Russians are pounding Ukrainian army into oblivion with artillery . They are methodical, rational and they don't waste lives of their people. They are not obsessed with symbolism and deadlines like Zelenskyy. They achieved a lot. “The main object of operations should not be the territory, but the army of the enemy” Helmuth von Moltke Sr. Many still don't get it. Zelenskyy strategy on the other hand is reduced to rounding up civilians often at gunpoint and throwing them into a meat grinder in a futile attempt to stabilize the front. It means that Ukrainian losses are snowballing. Simultaneously Zelenskyy keeps sending his troops to their deaths on suicide missions. What's the point in ongoing senseless drowning in the Dnieper of hundreds of troops?

[@gsomethingsomething2658]

Keep fantasizing, Russian boy.

[@joshuapaul2022]

@@gsomethingsomething2658 seethe

[@samb2052]

@@gsomethingsomething2658don’t need to be Russian to see reality.

[@fujohnson8667]

@@gsomethingsomething2658 this literally the only thing the pro Ukrainian side say when they encounter any counter argument.

[@gsomethingsomething2658]

@@fujohnson8667 The corrupt, impotent Russian military is a joke. Sorry. Deal with it.

[@victorsilvester78]

A very uncomfortable watch. I really don't think Konstantin Kisin is thinking very rationally here, nor did I hear him give any real reason why Britain should get involved at all. There is so much division in the west. The UK alone has such amateurs in power and the opposition is no better. Our armed services have almost no weapons, our economy is crap and we know little about the Ukraine regime....other than billions of our money chucked at them. Do we really need to blindly support another foreign war???

[@jaytsecan]

Completely agree with you. Thank you for your comment.

[@michellelewis3063]

His position is inconsistent. Ukraine heading for NATO membership is a key reason Russia is acting to demilitarize it. To think a NATO membered Ukraine is acceptable to Russia is wilfully ignorant. If Ukraine already has the lands he expects it to ever reasonably achieve then why support continued escallation which Russia can maintain beyond the abilities of NATO? There is nothing to gain yet escallate anyway is a moronic position.

[@tatianalyulkin410]

You see how much he " knows ". Yet he talks ad nauseam about the Holodomor!

[@paulantonio740]

When people have a huge stake in some conflict or issue -- as does KK with regards to the war in Ukraine -- it's sometimes best to take what they're saying with a grain of salt and seek out impartial sources.

[@DJOUSSSS]

Absolutely right.

[@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069]

Interesting, I wonder if you would make the same arguments if he came down on the other side.

[@MrKidOcelot]

Decaffeinated on the objectivity on this one with KK.... too close to home!

[@hussar6347]

That's exactly right.

[@Laurencemardon]

Hi Paul: I think he made an overall convincing case in relation to the issues under discussion. This is much easier for the audience to form a stable perspective upon via a sit down continuous conversation such as these two accomplished. imho , in comparison with msm and bloggers rat-arsed sound bites montages, co-minglings, their usually opaque, non-sensical or otherwise non-digestible jargon, syntax and rhetoric. I was a bit surprised the guest perceives or declares he sees the contested territories as one’s of little value ( if he got close to that?), and that he thinks Russia should be allowed to keep various conquered territories. Perhaps his further adjustment if he were the delegated decision maker, to establish both a new peace treaty with specific rules and a patrolled contiguous border zone between Russian territory and Ukraine’s is why he recommends it. Editing… But this won’t change the reality that there is both a lot of rare minerals that can be extracted fairly easily in or near the contested territories, or that to Russia a clear contiguous land corridor from the southern border and the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea, the mouth of the Danube, etc are all pretty significant tactical advantages for Russia here. Keeping in view also Putin’s official plea about why this is happening has as its main objective merely the cultural liberation of Russian speaking residents of that region. Any treaty that failed to consider this to be basically all that Russia can be allowed to enjoy some accommodation with regards to is probably going to be a deal brokered by the internet audience at the behests of the American government deep state and other Ugly-Wuglys. 🐻🧞‍♂️🧚🏻‍♀️🔦🧰💵👯‍♂️💵🤷 Just a matter of time until that follows from annexation and with it the implicit control of the existing state, and then - Russia- in this instance-they’ve gained any advantage the seized by force territory can provide. 🔦🥦🧲⚖️🦷💰👩🏻‍🦽✈️😱😃🤐☕️ and then they’ll either abandon it or convert the mines to underground inhabitables.

[@dirgsuite5546]

Here is how a negotiated peace was taken from the table. By the end of April 2022 Turkey was hosting negotiations. Putin was not doing well on the battlefield and Zelensky understood Ukraine would not be part of NATO any time soon. Both leaders had a lot to loose. Ukraine proposed: 1. Ukraine remains neutral. 2. Crimea get's frozen and stays Russian for now. 3. The Donbas get's an independent statute. In a reaction, the US send Boris Johnson to Kiev. He told Zelensky to end negotiations or no more modern weapons. Zelensky had no choice. The proof of this, is in Zelensky's sudden, radical change in negotiating condition: ''We get all the territory back since 2014, including Crimea or no peace talks''. And war was here to stay.

[@vmlp99]

KK's position is not coherent since he advocates for continued Western support of a strategy whose supposed end goal is a make-believe scenario in which Russia concedes and accepts the humiliation while recognizing that the most positive plausible outcome is for Russia to keep its conquered territories and for Ukraine to become neutral, which is inconsistent with providing military aid that helps escalate the war and drive us further away from that exit. The fact that he argues for such an outcome also runs counter to his first imperialism argument, because any territory gain could in principle signal to Putin that he can get away with it and thus fuel his imperial desires.

[@pb8649]

It didn't make any sense to me either.

[@johnsmith1474]

"Ukraine," as has been said, "was well tailored but poorly sewn." That is, until it's inclusion in the USSR, Ukraine never had a unifying government that could stand up to the naturally occurring factions in the region. Since the dissolution of the USSR, the central government of Ukraine has been passed around between ideological entities who were motivated to "fight dirty" for control of the central government via bribery and/or the threat of violence. This system tended to give wealthy oligarchs, some of whom were also ideologues, great leverage in the government, threatening areas of the country not in line with a given oligarch's ideology. Men of violence or the corrupt with great financial means wield power, in combination with men of severe ideology they love a shaky government, because it offers paths for them to power outside the legal institutional norms. It becomes a matter of time then, given outside influences (the US CIA etc.), before a violent ideological force finds it's sugar daddy funding and makes it's move to take over the government. This was the case in the 2014 coup, where the most ideologically driven faction (nationalists symbolized by Azov Battalion) discovered it could trade it's anti-Russia hate for vast sums of US cash and weapons. History demonstrates that ideologues severe enough to stage a violent coup inevitably take things too far, thus came the war on The Donbas region to cleanse it of "Russian-ness." Donbas however happened to have a militarily powerful cultural ally in it's neighbor, Russia. So an ultra nationalist power grab inside Ukraine became a world power conflict expressed inside Ukraine. The US in it for long-term reasons of world hegemony, the Russians to prevent the decimation of Russian culture and people in Ukraine and to secure it's national security. History is full of missed opportunities. Had the agreed-upon Minsk Accords not been torpedoed, today a whole Ukraine, including both Donbas and Crimea, would be into it's ninth year of Swiss-style peace & prosperity, making money from trade with both Europe & Russia. The war we see today would have been averted. This is perhaps the single greatest lost opportunity for the improvement of a nation since various US led coups across Latin America in the 1950s destroyed various people's movements. Minsk would have defused ideology by creating a Federalized Ukraine, allowing Oblasts like Donestk, Lughansk, and Kharkiv (and Crimea) autonomy, while remaining part of Federal Ukraine. Any person can look at the United States for an example. The US Federal system of states keeps it together; it is unimaginable that Alabama or Mississippi would willingly remain in the USA,if they had to suffer the governance of the citizens of NY. Statehood within nations keeps the peace and satisfies the citizens that the nation is theirs. Under Minsk cultural issues would have been put on the back burner. Alas for vehement ideologues like Azov Battalion, Svoboda and Right Sector in Ukraine, cultural issues must always be on full boil on the front burner as an operating principle of their nationalist fervor. The war in Ukraine is ostensibly about whether Russian citizens of Ukraine should have been allowed to speak the language they had spoken, attend their churches, and go about their business as they had for generations rather than conform to Ukrainian ideological cleansing. It is a testimony to the myopia and simple mindedness of supposedly exceptional Americans that they could not see how what they take for granted would be useful for other nations.

[@pirulito1105]

Thank you. I found your comment calmly informative and a pleasure to read.

[@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304]

You can't really be that naive? Why do you think that Putin would have ever have followed through with Minsk II? It would have meant handing Russian occupied Ukrainian territory back to Ukraine. He was never going to do that. The whole reason for Russia's invasion in 2014 was occupation and eventual annexation of territory. How do you expect to understand Putin's motives if you just parrot his nonsensical narrative without question?

[@Tara-Maya]

Until only Zelensky is left standing.

[@JDDunsany]

I love Konstantin, but his lack of realism here (particularly in the last couple of minutes of this otherwise very interesting video) is a bit embarrassing. Oh, well. None of us is perfect.

[@leighmurrell5494]

The Russian speaking people of Eastern Ukraine asked Putin for help given that they have been attacked by the Ukraine military Govt since 2014 plus the fact that this is about the US agenda against Russia and it is about resources and profits.

[@claranordblom8968]

I believe that times change and the past histories of all countries are allowed to change- and while the thought that somehow the past can shape a country’s contemporary actions- I still believe that a change can occur and that it is a necessity for the development of the life itself. I don’t believe that modern day Russia political path has to necessarily aim at recreating the ‘great Russian empire’ as is explained in this talk.

[@hansderaeymaeker9137]

Quite right - historical patterns do NOT necessarily imply repetition. It is irresponsible to posit that so strongly. Time will tell and I, for one, am very confident Kisin's views are utterly unfounded.

[@karinfroller7403]

Dear Clara, obviously you know very little about "modern day Russia" under the rule of Putin for 23 years. He has built an oppression apparatus for his own people and has decided to follow the example of Zar Peter the Great. Konstantin knows quite well what he is talking about. Wishful thinking will not help us in this situation.

[@claranordblom8968]

Thank you. Czar or Tzar not Zar.

[@karinfroller7403]

@@sagandalya108 excellent comment

[@flopoz2575]

​@@claranordblom8968 Of course that Russia's political path doesn't have to necessarily aim to recreate Russian Empire. The problem is, that under current Kremlin leadership it does, that's a fact. And it's not just imperial history, it is Russia's present, I was born under Russian occupation, and I am 34 years old. Also, if you look at Germany for comparison, they've managed to move from being one of the main imperialist powers in Europe, to a peaceful, democratic and respectable nation. But it still took them 2-3 generations and the first impulse to change came from outside (Allied occupation after the lost war). Russia on the other hand, has been an aggresive, expansionist empire non-stop for the past 500 years (except 7 months in 1917 and _maybe_ 8 years under Yeltsin). Russian authorities never really abandoned imperialist thinking, it is how Russians are tought in schools and therefore Russian society as a whole never went through a generational change like Germans did. You do realize, that many ordinary Russian's honestly believe that Russia has never started an aggresive war in its history, and has always only been a victim of other nations? That's what is tought in history lessons in Russian schools. How can Russian neighbors, who've been attacked and occupied by Russia countless times, feel safe when Russia straight up denies reality and its own past? Unfortunatelly, under current Russian leadership there is no hope for change. Putin believes himself destined to rebuild Russian Empire. Time and again he spoke openly and publicly that Ukrainians (and Belarussians to that matter) are not a real nation, only variant of Russians, that Ukraine is not a real country and that Russia is doing God's work and fighting a holy war against satanism and evil incarnate. Tell me, how can we not expect Russia to be imperialist and aggressive with leadership like that? As long as Putin or anyone else from his clique stays in power, Russia will remain imperialistic and a threat to its neighbours. And that is why Ukraine has to be supported, and why Russia must lose this war. Because if it doesn't, it will continue to start more wars like this in the future.

[@householdone7559]

One of the things i disagree with KK about. I can't help thinking he has a major axe to grind though. I can't see him and Francis inviting people like Scott Ritter, or Colonel MacGregor or Jeffery Sachs or John Mearsheimer any number of other people onto Triggernometry. I'm not surprised either. He doesn't want his opinion challenged. As Mearsheimer said... there is absolutely no evidence that he is trying to create a new empire. You don't go into a country with 190000 troops if you are looking to invade. They had 3 specific goals - which he discussed. The americans and europeans made sure they escalated ... and kept beating the NATO drum ... going so far as derailing peace talks in April 2022 - so Putin increased his troop numbers. The only people who actually wanted this war were the americans - and the british (as far as they can wipe america's arse) Not the best of interviews TBH.

[@pb8649]

I'm British and I totally agree with you

[@zolandia5262]

Poland, the Baltic states and Finland were all part of the Tsarist era Russian empire. Poland and the Baltic states were also abandoned to their fate behind the iron curtain at the end of the second world war. They want to make sure that when the new iron curtain comes down at the end of this war that they will be on the right side of it, and they want the same opportunity for Ukraine.

[@ztbrtivbln899]

Actually Poland has an eye on part of Ukraine.

[@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304]

@@ztbrtivbln899 I find it difficult to believe anyone could seriously fall for that bot of kremlin pravda

[@ztbrtivbln899]

@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 Even the Poles have said it themselves.

[@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304]

@@ztbrtivbln899 Lol. No, Poland has not said it intends to invade Ukraine. Ukraine's enemy is Russia.

[@ztbrtivbln899]

@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 Not invade, just protect the western part of Ukraine, which brings it closer to what they desire.