The Problem with KATSEYE

[@absolutezero5961]

I actually really like that the documentary showed EVERY side of the process, the good, the bad and the ugly. The fights, the making up, the differences in opinions and personalities, the chemistry of the contestants. The growth! Sometimes I see groups who's image is so controlled and framed in a way that the members chemistry don't even seem real. It's as if they are painted with zero flaws 24/7, never allowed to have disagreements with each other or management and it just seems...disingenuous. I want to watch underdogs and rivals rise up and overcome. I also appreciated that the documentary showed the dark side of the training! It's truly not for the faint of heart. It really showed the endurance of the human spirit, and if people believe that the members do not have the capacity to forgive each other, squash their beef, and learn to love each other for their individuality...did we even watch the same documentary?

[@hikki6089]

100% this. I personally enjoyed the documentary.

[@immealldayeveryday9425]

EXACTLY, I loved it as well

[@starlightseeun]

@@immealldayeveryday9425 do you know where i could watch it? i don't use netflix..

[@immealldayeveryday9425]

@@starlightseeun only place I kno is Netflix

[@user-zz3dr6ov5u]

Ya exactly, yes in some ways I was disappointed with Manon behaviour. However, they are all human and it nice to see the positive and bad sides during this journey.

[@soumitadas9104]

i seriously thing that it would be frustrating for other trainees when they were keep seeing less talented member getting more votes than them even after working so hard

[@violet-eo2ru]

i seriously think that the girls were immature brats who couldn’t even follow an NDA so obviously that ignorance and immaturity affected how they treated eachother. life isnt fair so who knows why they thought they would automatically make the group just for “trying hard” if visuals like Manon’s didn’t matter then everyone in Kpop would be fat and unattractive. its okay to be frustrated for stupid selfish reasons but you cant isolate your peers bc of it.

[@Athena_208]

Agreed

[@mariasol1545]

Less talented? Girl just say you’re racist and go Manon had more star quality than Lexie, Karlee , ezrela all combined

[@annyeong.]

​@@mariasol1545 it literally came from Manon herself that she has lower set of skills, how is that being racist? you're crazy for accusing just whoever of racism in the internet! and did you even watch the doc???

[@CyberH0t]

@@mariasol1545 we are talking abt talent not star quality tho... even Manon knew she had less skills compared to the other girls

[@lilly6074]

Adela explained on her instagram that a lot of the things they filmed wasn’t added to the final cut which made it look like there was bad blood between them

[@almadoraang4642]

I like Manon, but Sophia calling her out is not bullying, it is about being responsible and doing your thing as a group, since she’s the only one being favored, hybe bend their backs just to accommodate her

[@Rainbow-jb4xg]

they didn't want to let go a pretty girl who could get them a lot of money. She's an exceptionally beautiful black girl, there's money in her image...

[@almadoraang4642]

@@Rainbow-jb4xg agreed

[@izzywoods794]

The reality is that the company IS the villain. They generated drama, brought in Manon late, gave her private lessons and special treatment. Then they didnt properly explain what a commitment to this group would entail. Said nothing to Manon about the survival show. She was suprised upon arriving that the girls woke up at 6am each day. This was none of the girls' fault on either side.

[@janinafrank3208]

for people asking why hybe even released this docu, I didn't watch DA, I never checked out Katseye, I didn't know any of the members and didn't care either. But since this show went up on netlix, I have watched all episodes, then went to check out their music, watch MVs and other behind the scenes videos. It is a simple marketing choice and it is a good one. No matter what anyone says, people are talking about katseye more because of it, and that is what the company wants.

[@whitneymouse]

Barely. And only in Kpop communities, not outside of it. There has yet to be a “global group” that has worked out. This won’t be the one that changes that 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@MsJackieJack]

Same. I purposely ignored DA because A2K was happening around the same time and I was into that. I would’ve never checked them out if not for this doc. There’s too much competition in the girl group realm. People who already were invested in them seem to be mad, but there’s no denying that a bunch of new fans came because of the doc.

[@exlguns6417]

I was watching since last year.. I love samara a lot .. But I can understand why HYBE choose these gurls .. and I'm happy with katseye members

[@nunanana7]

Me too watched the Netflix document one. So good. U can see how hard working and contested are. 😆 And the staffs ❤ they so nice and professional.

[@narutodivergent]

I mean, it was already known the docuserie would release after the end of the actual competition-----------

[@Seonghwaashii]

Ok idgaf about what ppl say if im working my butt off every day and night to get a good rank but someone that is already not talented enough AND skips classes because they " wanted to have a meal with a family member " gets a higher rank then me id be fucking mad too.

[@CyanideNohappiness]

I sympathize with you but that is how cruel KPOP ENTERTAINMENT are. Some members have 4 vocalist who are also well versed at dancing and talented and there is somehow a filler member or sub member added for popularity boost. Not all individuals born with talent give you an edge at success. Charisma and Visuals are unrivaled because it can create buzz, drama, and attraction to protect the visual member. I would be mad if someone who work less than me is being promoted. But if you are the brand and face of the group who can leverage to attract more brand and popularity for the group, it's reasonable for some to do so. The idea of why not debut all talented members. The truth is, we need a member who is like vyery charismatic without singing or dancing, just insane visuals and moderate skills to attract audience.

[@nicolasf7243]

the thing is that anger really didn’t have any reason to be directed at manon besides the frustration of her not showing up to group rehearsals because that’s the only thing Manon herself did that actually negatively impacted the girls/her teammates. She didn’t control fan voting, evaluations, exec opinions or decision making. It’s valid to be frustrated someone else isn’t trying as hard and succeeding, but it’s not like Manon had any say in advancing or having fan support. They should’ve been frustrated with the execs for putting them in a system where that can happen. that being said i blame none of the girls for their reactions, they are all young and still learning life isn’t fair and it’s completely normal to blame the people benefitting from unfairness rather than those who create the unfair system to begin with when you don’t grasp that fully. i do however blame the grown adults who can’t see the nuance of the situation.

[@Rainbow-jb4xg]

@@CyanideNohappiness many people dont understand that Manon contributes with her beauty, she is all natural and her personality is alluring too. The rest of the members are pretty but Manon is exceptionally beautiful. The k-pop industry is not all about music/dancing talent...

[@itsmemariohi1771]

I mean I kinda get them being bitter about a girl arriving months later, having a lot less skills but being ranked higher than them. I get the cultural differences and the fact that Manon tried to talk it out and bettered herself, that's worthy of praise in my opinion. The others were a bit mean about it, but again, it's frustrating when someone who sometimes doesnr show up is more liked than you and is (based on what was said) treated more leniently by staff, because of her visuals and aura. I think they managed to fix their problems and now everything is fine, this definitely shouldn't have been shown like that ☠️

[@martinchan3732]

I would be 10 times meaner if I would be in their shoes 😑

[@Chibbykins]

​@@martinchan3732 and then they wouldn't put you in the group for having a bad attitude 😂

[@rhishere2265]

@@Chibbykins if she was like manon and had pretty privileged even tho having a bad attitude mabey they will

[@beeralte]

Black life matters or lets just say black privilege

[@itsmemariohi1771]

@@beeralte in this case it's more pretty privilege though. Because had it been black privielge wouldve been not giving punishment to the one who posted the song, which she got eliminated for

[@sage4597]

The girls had conflict that normal people have, including members of debuted groups who are friends. The girls settled everything and said they didn't want to have beef, it's been years I am sure they are all friendly now

[@immealldayeveryday9425]

Exactly

[@whitneymouse]

It’s been *a* year

[@immealldayeveryday9425]

@@whitneymouse it’s been 2 years

[@NickaLah]

I think it depends on how believable you think that was. I don't even think it was Manon's idea, staff probably talked her into it. Beyond that, if she hasn't consistently kept up with a better work ethic, there's not much they can do anyway. One reason I think she's still not keeping up with her end is that regardless of each member's level of interest in kpop the rest knew the choreo to Super Lady for Weekly Idol. Manon didn't even recognize the song. The other members didn't magically know the song without practicing. So how's it possible she didn't even know it all? It also doesn't sit right with me that someone benefiting from the kpop system and promoting on kpop shows isn't showing even a casual interest in the biggest songs to come out this year.

[@immealldayeveryday9425]

@@NickaLah manon literally took responsibility for her actions, no one put her up to anything, y’all really just be making shit up, and what part of she does not or required to kno any Kpop choreography

[@Super_Chamchi]

I guess people are so delusional that they only want to see the positive side. I think it's good to show the reality of team work.

[@gsastudio-archl]

Exactly, what makes a good solid team is overcoming difficulties together.

[@angel_t3338]

So happy that Hannah Bang didn't join this show. Hybe always trying to destroy their girl group reputations before they really have their own wings to fly.

[@dianaosazenaye1313]

So true he would have gone his sister in this

[@JIHYOSNXTWIFE]

Why would she join when she's alr a soloist

[@dianaosazenaye1313]

@@JIHYOSNXTWIFE which so great!!

[@shahilhassan9415]

Is she talented enough like KATSEYE?

[@I_hv_no_brains...]

@@shahilhassan9415 Don't hate on Hanah her music is amazing.

[@coffeecat1030]

Bullying is nasty but so is not being a teamplayer when you're in a team. It's unfair but and human to feel frustrated. BUT Manon was scouted, and the requested off days the company agreed on. It's the companies fault for favoring her and giving her more privilage.

[@dianaosazenaye1313]

@@coffeecat1030 it was so nasty

[@coffeecat1030]

@@dianaosazenaye1313 Haven't seen the series. How bad was it?

[@dianaosazenaye1313]

@coffeecat1030 The bullying was not good And they look bad now Even if they friends the fans will probably remember this

[@lbell9695]

As someone who watched the documentary it was realistic but nothing bad. People are overplaying the "bullying" aspect.

[@maneater3491]

​@@dianaosazenaye1313 Girl when time goes by people will realized that manon girl is in the wrong her fans rampaging cuz of their emotions and not thinking straight, there's no bullying it's bound to be happened 😊

[@russojulian9110]

My only issue with katseye is their mentors being so hard on them vocally but not showing how amazing their vocals are on their music rn

[@mochalotte4702]

They had to shrink those 20 girls down to 6 somehow I geuss.

[@emimoondust]

honestly i get a lot of what the girls were saying about manon, i would be annoyed if i felt favoritism occurring but that's just an unfortunate reality of the industry.

[@I_hv_no_brains...]

Girl had Covid

[@annyeong.]

​@@I_hv_no_brains...girl had been skipping even before she had COVID

[@MikhaV]

@@I_hv_no_brains... Sophia had covid during the buttons shoot and she worked through it brilliantly.

[@I_hv_no_brains...]

@@annyeong. Most likely Manon was predecided to fit the groups concept. This so showbiz and talent is not everything. This is why we don't go around picking nugus over mainstream. If you even look more into Katseye's music and style you will see that they don't really need big belters and powerhouses so why should they have one. It is better for people who belt to have concepts which belt. The way I see it the girls fit the concept but imagine how wasteful it would be to focus on things that are not as relevant. There are many features to showbiz and roles you push who can fit it more than talent or they will compress.

[@annyeong.]

@@I_hv_no_brains... Yes, the group now is perfect, but I was just pointing out that she had been skipping even before she got COVID, idk where you went.

[@izzy_beex]

I think people are just being overly sensitive. I really enjoyed the documentary. It shows the raw reality of the industry. People think their fav groups are all friends and love each other. But they all start as work friends and it's all a competition even if they are not a part of a suvivor program. Watching the documentary I was hooked from beginning to end. For sure some parts could've probably be left out but overall I think it was good. And if people will hate on the girls for acting harsh on Manon I honestly think it's just immature. They were right and Manon got the message after all. What's past is past and I truly think they will thrive as a group.

[@Hello_k-pop_]

THIS!! This is exactly my viewpoint.

[@dk-tw3xx]

Facts, I've been looking for this comment. I feel the exact same way

[@LydiaCaster]

I loved the documentary and it got me a lot more invested in Kasteye, even if a few of my fav girls didn't debut. I think both the reactions of the girls to Manon and Manon's behaviour were very humane which is exactly what I like to see in k pop. I see that it generally can be a bit awkward to so clearly see that the girls who debuted weren't necessarily the best or friends, but they will make it work

[@immealldayeveryday9425]

Me to I loved it

[@brooklyn5755]

I was looking for this comment. I absolutely could not stop watching the documentary ❤😂

[@thelastmoonchild.]

6:00 i mean, she was told over and over again it was not acceptable to be late and to miss practices. They let her know repeatedly. The higher ups, the teachers and the other girls all let her know that it is not acceptable behavior and she STILL continued to do it. So that argument is no longer valid since she continued the behavior. She just didn't have respect nor commitment to the program. But it seems she has stepped up her game and i hope she continues to show growth, dedication and improvement in the group because katseye is killin it!

[@Anhypen]

The fact that Hybe was the company who released the documentary, I’m not surprised that it might backfire considering the ‘make it look easy’ documentary by le sserafim backfired Edit: I only said it backfired because I saw a lot of hate around the time and it seemed that it worsened le sserafim’s image but I shouldn’t have jumped to conclusions so I apologise to people I may have upset, ‘Make it look easy’also gave le sserafim more fans and stuff so it didn’t really backfire, I was just saying what I saw a couple months ago

[@DianaOsazenaye]

backfired so easy

[@rohansengupta1028]

Backfire?? Their popularity grew like 10 times just because of the documentary. Having mixed & negative attention is better than having no attention at all. Now that people have eyes on them they'll just keep on growing.

[@ioutsoldurfavs]

It didn’t backfire, Yall are just saying that because u want them to fail because most of the members aren’t Korean

[@NievesPIXEL]

thats why they r rich , they rly know how the market works unlike us sitting and just typing some words

[@Anhypen]

@@ioutsoldurfavsFirst of all when did I ever say I wanted them to fail? (I would never wish that upon any group) And second of all, what does the group having 70% foreign members have to do with me saying ‘make it look easy’ wasn’t that great for their image? (Although my statement wasn’t the best, I really wonder why you are pulling things that aren’t related to comment to assume that I was hating)

[@Jazzyjihyo]

Those comments about Sophia are crazy...she handled everything very maturely and even got Manon to be more accountable and she said it in the best way possible. She was lowkey sugar coating.

[@cw8566]

Exactly, asking everyone to put in the same effort is not being mean. Not showing up is disrespecting the rest of the group.

[@fairytale6802]

EXACTLY

[@jermainerodgers]

Those are manon stans

[@mielbaltazar5099]

That's why she is the leader of Katseye. She has the courage to speak up for everyone in the most unbiased way as possible.

[@sophies_lilly]

these videos always get me through my studying, they also help me know more about the kpop that i missed! Keep up the good work!

[@Funa_Takaya]

Most people that make issues, seem like they haven‘t watched the show. The feelings of the girls were valid. Manons situation too. They released this thinking kpop stans can do critical thinking.. but they used this documentary to make weird claims. The documentary was authentic and it‘s only a scoop out of a lot of time.

[@vjones4769]

7:33 Missy was right in this moment. Manon needed to listen. I think a lot of us forget to listen to the person speaking to is before responding. Most of the time we’re just waiting for our turn to talk.

[@KishiKaisei-yp5oj]

I'm just happy Megan debuted

[@Hiyyih_princess]

I'm happy for yoonchae 😭

[@jw-729]

Well, it's just Hybe self destructing their girl group again

[@immealldayeveryday9425]

I loved the documentary cause it was real, you saw the bad the good and the makeups get over it, this is not Kpop and we westerners view things differently

[@warren_r]

What makes you say that? Katseye's daily listener numbers are going up up up right now.

[@immealldayeveryday9425]

@@warren_r exactly it’s almost to 5million right now

[@IEshaoD]

Hmm.. another NJ Stan that simply hates HYBE?

[@urhypeboy]

​@@IEshaoDy'all kpopies just love to bring NJ into ur silly arguments 😒 Grow up.

[@Eunvelvet]

Everyone: wHy iS tHeRe sO mAnY bOtS Me: *not finding any bots* 💀

[@oOohio]

I think people are calling comments bots because it contradicts to their ideology. Just guessing

[@Eunvelvet]

@@oOohio um I'm not good in English can you explain it in a simple way?

[@valentina7901]

It means people calling them bots because those "bots" have a different way of thinking that is different from them. And they think they could be robots when in fact is real human typing them.Hopefully this is better😅

[@dunemae]

Obviously they got deleted

[@JTPyrus]

@@Eunvelvet example:. one may call someone a bot if they disagree with your opinion etc.....

[@luns0513]

In Switzerland, people work really hard, she had no excuse.

[@celinedatwyler6246]

As a swiss person I'm laughing at the comment on our work ethics😂 Switzerland is a high performance society. Even tho it's slowly changing right now, work and school environments are still far away from what's described in the video.

[@Riei143]

So based on your comment, you’re not claiming Manon😂

[@user-dp3db2dn6d]

Omg that’s what I was thinking. I m from Germany and sure you can take of days when you are ill, but taking days of simply when you don’t feel like it?! I wish

[@ARP_1922]

The excuse of her being European is laaaame I'm European too, and working hours ARE working hours You cannot go home or skip WORKING HOURS just because you want to rest or visit your family The balance between work and personal life doesn't involve that You are expected to be at work during your schedule, and if you skip and don't give a valid reason (you are sick, had an accident, an emergency, whatever...) you would face the consequences and you could even get fired if you keep skipping working hours

[@snmflie]

manon didn't compare it to work, she compared it to school

[@ARP_1922]

@@snmflie it doesn't matter since it works the same If you skip classes without a valid reason, you can face the consequences, even get expelled from school in the worst case scenario If she is immature enough to think this kind of training is like school, is not anyone's problem Becoming an idol is working to get a JOB , not an school project She should think about that in a more mature way

[@snmflie]

@@ARP_1922 she only skipped a day because she didn't feel like going, only ONE day. Then she got covid so she simply couldn't go anymore, orrrrrr did you want her to make everyone else get covid? Manon said she thought it'd be similar to school, where taking a day off isn't the end of the world, cause you can always ask your classmates for homework and stuff. Let's keep in mind these are teenagers we're talking about. That being said, the girls have talked about it in one of the episodes, she took responsibility, started working harder, getting better, and that's it.

[@ARP_1922]

@@snmflie having Covid is actually a valid reason, so there's no need to hate her If that's the case, then everything is ok 👍🏻

[@Potato_Sama]

@@ARP_1922you didn’t fully pay attention to the video or watch the documentary did you?

[@its_myo]

i do admit that im a manon stan but i know her (not personally but switzerland isnt that big and famous people here are well known) and she was a model and she was kinda arrogant but that comes with the job and yes our work does prioritize the workers mental and physical conditions. that said she is mature she knows how to talk things out.

[@dianaosazenaye1313]

@its_myo she is going to have her own stuff How do they treat her own fans like the company will pick up on that

[@Jazzyjihyo]

it doesn't surprise me that she is arrogant. Now that she's in the group her ego's further boosted. At least she puts some effort in though.

[@its_myo]

@@dianaosazenaye1313 i mean hybe really shot themselves with that ngl they literally antagonized everyone

[@its_myo]

@@Jazzyjihyo i do think/hope she's less arrogant with the members but watching dream academy, they really pushed the whole narrative against everyone and that made the whole situation worse for everyone. like im not blind i do stan manon but holy sht hybe had to go out of their way to make it worse than it alr was... and i hope that manon will grow out of that because in switzerland the worker is more valued but almost everywhere else the work is more valued than the worker. if you miss work you're gonna be replaced very quickly. but hybes favoritism needs to go too.

[@iriemonmon]

Manon was not arrogant AT ANY POINT. Anytime a Black girl has some type of self confidence, you guys are quick to call us conceded or arrogant.

[@brandonmartinez709]

This honestly reminded me of Making the Band 😫 Manon just had the IT factor 😫 Same with Aubrey on Making the Band 😌

[@NickaLah]

I liked her at the time, but now that seems like a good comparison.

[@nayelimendez4629]

1.They should jave never put fan voting in the svs 2.The fansa always choose for beauty

[@addiesmithtrochez]

i would’ve felt frustrated with manon as well. there was obviously favoritism just because she was pretty regarding the votes. she didn’t show up, she wasn’t as talented as the other girls, yet she still ranked higher. and it was just because she was pretty.

[@lulu_Lm]

you sound bitter.

[@addiesmithtrochez]

@@lulu_Lm im sorry but its the truth.

[@lulu_Lm]

@@addiesmithtrochez go learn what an opinion is little girl.

[@leticialara4374]

The people who are throwing hate at Adela are probably sitting on the couch and don't know what hard work is. Imagine you training 9 hours a day, for 2 years, to be eliminated due to lack of popularity and see someone who didn't do the basics at the top? The frustration and anger is completely understandable. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who tried their best. The point is not to throw hate at Manon, but to admit that she behaved badly and was privileged due to her star quality. If the documentary did not show this conflict, it would be falsifying reality. It's important that we see everything that happened and humanize the girls, they all make mistakes, they learn, they get things right and move forward.

[@kendalledwards6898]

Kookielit, have you heard about Taeil’s sexual crimes? It’s a really serious matter! Fans are disgusted and angry about him.

[@ldland2721]

They are not doing daily news anymore, they just doing videos about certain topics, which is sucks

[@amy_ambrosio]

What happened???? 😱

[@kendalledwards6898]

@@ldland2721 Why not?

[@ZeriocTheTank]

@@amy_ambrosio He sexually assaulted a 12 year old

[@kendalledwards6898]

@@ldland2721 Why not? Isn’t Kookielit about Drama and Daily News

[@melvin91motorola]

If other shows manon will be terminated for skipping tons of training lol girl is blessed with pretty privilege

[@violet-eo2ru]

theres no “blessed with pretty privilege” its so weird that you guys say that like the girl wasnt caught slacking and then changed her attitude. all of entertainment is pretty privilege none of these girls are remarkable and their looks are a big part of why all of them even made it to dream academy. producers had an idea of the final group and manon fit that vision its that simple.

[@melvin91motorola]

@@violet-eo2ru you've just described pretty privilege perfectly

[@deyken1096]

I agree, that attitude would be unaceptabble.

[@minhoudaho2357]

I can understand the frustration of the other girls concerning Manon. I feel like Hybe and Geffen really wanted her in the group since the beginning. They scouted her and pay her dance and singing lessons when she was still in Switzerland. Moreover, she has the first and last lines in almost all of her performances. She also has a remarquable role in the Art Film. But she has proven that she can sing and dance. She is talented. So that's okay for me. She really deserves to be in Katseye. I really like her even before the documentary. Only Manon has a husky and powerful voice. Moreover, Bang Sihyuk is not really looking for talent, he is looking for « star power » 🙈 In the end, Hybe and Geffen didn't produce Katseye for peace but for money. Adéla is very talented but viewers don't like her... So why chose a very talented person who is not bankable instead of a less talented person who can make $$$$$? It's unfair but it's not new. Hello? There are members in LE SSERAFIM who cannot sing well even if there are standing still... What can we expect from Hybe? lol. Kazuha, for example is still bad at singing. Same for Sakura. Kazuha didn't have to compete with trainees to be part of LE SSERAFIM. It was already determined that she would be in the debut line-up of LE SSERAFIM. So unfair for the trainees!! But that's how K-pop works.

[@annyeong.]

​@@violet-eo2ruexactly what pretty privilege is

[@Da_Realist_Inu]

i honestly side with manon, i have been stab in back by a lot of co-workers just because i do not want to be part of the clique group. i just wanna work and earn my salary.

[@NeginCho]

so weird .. ppl hate it if they hide the background and pretend everything was fine but as soon as they show conflicts they hate it as well... like ppl always find something to hate on lol

[@nattayarjun9128]

why are you disdaining a group and when that group breaks up then you're like, oh no! how unfortunate.

[@Reyshy]

I mean, I get the it factor however the absolute disrespect towards others and the contract term and conditions can’t be justified with I have no idea how this works. Of course others would be offended and frustrated if they are doing their best and someone whose actions show laziness and lack of commitment gets a pat on the shoulder while others get the boot.

[@I_hv_no_brains...]

Girl if they want Manon to Debut you don't think there is something about her worth debuting.

[@kayliawilson8842]

You can take the girl out if the country but you cannot take the country out of the girl. I can express this enough because you can’t expect her to just get up and adapt like that 😀😀😀 it mustve been jarring for her when everyone was overworking

[@riptideRaiders]

It literally has nothing to do with the country, you think there aren't hard working people from Switzerland? Or like every European country? It's clear she wasn't into being an idol in the beginning but the company really wanted her and she probably got into it for the money. There were other europeans in the program who were also younger and had no work ethic issues

[@MOT_KA_KHEL61]

The villan here is hybe Ofc its natural to get frustrated and angry when a talanted person loss to not so talanted person Hybe tried to put korean marketing tactics on american

[@I_hv_no_brains...]

Manon can perform and the other girl was better to you. So, why didn't you vote for her well. Manon stans busted their asses to make her debut but now you want to complain when her votes were not good.

[@MOT_KA_KHEL61]

@@I_hv_no_brains... i didnt said she cant sing But you can tell the other candidates really wanted that spot and practiced day and night for it Manon is beautiful and talented no doubt but she doesnt deserve that spot Her stans like you are total biased at this point

[@I_hv_no_brains...]

@@MOT_KA_KHEL61 Its not only visuals. It shows how easy you think being a famous idol is. Do you really think there are not more things to being an idol than singing and dancing. Manon has a strong online presence in Switzerland apart from being fine. Also if you haven't noticed Katseye's ending line up is diverse. Manon is representation for Blacks. Lastly, before the show started there was already a concept and a vague structure created in the minds of the companies. Manon just seemed to fit it more. Them not picking and favoring picking according to concept led to the uproar about basing a concept of one person. Y'all said they did that for Illit even though the concept was predecided. Don't mess with professionals if you don't understand showbiz is more than talent especially internationally.

[@MOT_KA_KHEL61]

@@I_hv_no_brains... but to be stable in the industry you have to know how to sing which is missing here If she wants to become famous then she can join modeling or something

[@I_hv_no_brains...]

@@MOT_KA_KHEL61 She can sing and perform. What your saying is Charlie XCX can't be a musician because Chappell Roan is. There are different styles of music and Geffen thinks girlie suits the Katseye way better. You don't know their style and what they are going for so you can't say to use meat in a pudding because meat taste better. Don't be shortsighted most people came to Katseye because of Manon and all their talent would have floated under the radar if not for her in most cases. You acting like people's talent is what matters in a group setting is not understanding that in a group each member is meant to supplement the weaknesses of the others.

[@ShaychanXG]

Honestly, I totally understand how and why the girls would feel like that. I don’t blame them at all for it either. When you’re only given part of the story instead of the whole thing, you’re bound to react to only what you know and see. I don’t think the company put any effort into telling Manon after the first few missed classes “hey, we know we just kinda pulled you off the street and you’re really new at this, but you need to be here” and make her understand the gravity of what she signed up for, or when she was actually sick, tell the other girls that so they aren’t stewing in animosity. The company was all about being upfront and not planting falsehoods into their heads and yet, they didn’t do any of that ON TOP of lying to the girls about not airing the interviews of the girls picking the members they wanted to debut with and never acknowledging or apologizing for it.

[@Bosdaks]

Being a trainee myself, I know for sure that there were a lot of stories that were cut out and not included in the documentary. There were lot of instances that happened in the docu that were not given clear explanation or back story

[@SethVIB]

Manon had beauty privilege and it was DISGUSTING to witness. They were right being bitter with her, since she gave no fucks about the program. Emily, Nayoung and Adela were so much better in every aspect. The fact that Emily didn't get in being the one who improved the most in vocals and the best dancer for the entire program is ridiculous.

[@1996karolinabcn]

Honestly? I felt that Manon was already assured a place from the very beginning, even when she was in trouble she said ‘I feel I will be in the team’ as for me she knew, not felt. She didn't have to try as hard as the rest of them because of that, unfortunately, but she is saved only by her pretty face and nothing else.

[@hayiamlenie]

i think they are really good. they’re one of my ults.

[@Arielaarmy-k7i]

What pop star academy documentary is very well done in my opinion geffen producers wanted the drama so that people can talk about it and katseye can be well known and since the documentary katseye has received a lot of fans,and if the documentary just showed how they got here without plot twist like everyone wished it to be it would have been boring and got little attention you all think hybe is dumb but they know how to market their groups and they know how to attract fans I LOVED IT AS A HYBE FAN THEY DID GOOD❤🎉🎉

[@theabominableuwu5880]

after watching the whole documentary i honestly love all of the girls even more, them making up and growing as people was lovely to see. a lot of people are just seeing random clips and not seeing the end:(

[@vaneluve]

I honestly really hate those videos like they’re amazing and talented. Stop always bringing new groups down for views

[@spyderz_]

manon and everyone in katseye were the best ones on the show imo. they did great at picking the girls theyre a perfect group

[@Sweetheart-e6w]

Yeah they did her best’s for us ❤

[@MikhaV]

I would have wanted Adela or Lexie to be in the final group. I still don't understand why viewers were so unreasonably critical towards Adela. Girl was super talented.

[@spyderz_]

@@MikhaV i think talent is not the only thing that matters tbh. there must have been something about her they didnt think would work out really

[@SBBunny93]

@@spyderz_her looks? Because 100% fan votes are always based off visual and not actual skill set. It’s why fan voted groups often end up unbalanced.

[@Sweetheart-e6w]

@@MikhaV i know you like this two but they need talent they have talent but they need more talent ,i like them both 🥰

[@HibiscusJelly]

Yeah I don’t like this group so much after the “documentary”. It’s a shame because touch is a good song and some of the non problematic girls seem great

[@CyanideNohappiness]

Me too. The lineup was made for the attraction for public popularity. Yes the lineup is talented. But none of the members anticipated that they themselves will debut with that lineup since Its all mix and match. Sophia and most candidates wanted ADELA in the first day on their lineup and realizing that the members have no full control of the lineup, everything looks forced to fit in the box. The documentary is honest and brutal but the lineup for me doesn't give justice since it's forced. Character dynamics are important not just solo stans What was the point of ranking if every Top are always predictable to debut in the first place.

[@BG0178]

They didnt pick Emily, instead they picked Manon. Emily got the talent. She was literally one of the best. But they preferred the pretty face and called it "it" factor. Also Lexie... Im sad that she left. She got everything to be in the group. But she chooses to leave. Respect to the girl ! But imagine what if they got her instead of Manon. She also had "it" factor (pretty face). Her face reminded me young Demi Lovato. She was able to dance well, and her voice is like an angel. And she has a work ethic. She is much better version of Manon with it factor and star quality.

[@nai110]

Emily vocals were worse than manon

[@NickaLah]

​​@@nai110Nah, if you pay attention some of Manon's best singing is when someone is actually singing over her. In Buttons the camera stays on Manon finishing when Nayoung is singing. Just this week on Weekly Idol they pull Manon up to sing but she chooses Lara to sing "with" her. I choose that word lightly because Lara carried the whole song while Manon did some sort of shimmy off to the side. Manon isn't introverted like people have claimed or used as an excuse for a variety of reasons, but her personality test shows she's extroverted. So why is she not showcasing these incredible singing skills her fans claim she has...? I'm not even sure Manon sung live at the time, it almost looked like they edited to make it look like she sang a tiny bit before letting Lara carry the rest. Regardless, she doesn't seem to have the passion for performing, and it doesn't help the documentary ended with her saying to Dani as soon as they won,"We're famous now!" It comes across like she just wants to be famous. People don't mention it much, but it's one of those little things that gives a clue what a person is really thinking.

[@nai110]

@@NickaLah 1- In the beginning of button you can very well hear Manon singing by herself and that is the part that went viral on tiktok so you’re wrong lmao. 2- She didn’t "choose" Lara to sing with her. They were singing in groups, Sophia, yoonchae and Dani sung together then Manon and Lara. Sophia and Lara are clearly trained vocalist so their voices naturally sounded more dominant over the others. People were saying how Sophia was all you could hear in the first group, does that mean that Dani and Yoonchae can’t sing? Bfr💀 Also the way Manon lower register still shone so much but I guess some of us (you) lack the musical ear to understand layered harmonies. 3- What does someone personnality have to do with their comfortability to showcase talent ? You’ve been pulling things out of your ass throughout your whole comment but this take the cake. 4- ”I’m not sure Manon sung live at the time" girly you’re clearly not a vocal expert. Give it up. 5- Manon was scouted by the company, she didn’t apply. Hybe went to look for her in Switzerland. Manon had no idea what kpop even was in the beginning. So what if she just wanted to be famous ? Is it a bad thing ? She clearly has star power and has amassed a huge following so no wonder she wanted to be famous, she was made to be.

[@Heshu-i2t]

I'm not Manon biased, but she has that effortlessly 'it' factor vibe indeed . their company did a great job of casting all the girls in this group, KATSEYE are now a family of members. There's no need to bring bitterness up (again)

[@kimendable]

Why are there’s soo many bots in comment section😭😭

[@brookethompson454]

Right I was so confused 😂

[@Frd_vcv]

They’re Hybe bots.

[@Haruka_3]

@@Frd_vcv ???

[@theavacadoturtle]

​@@Frd_vcvseriously 😳

[@amairan5781]

Ikr it's embarrassing

[@BlessingNdlovu-mt6rq]

As someone who supported Katseye from the dream academy era initially i was going to choose to ignore and forget about it because they made up right? But then i saw a clip of when the girls were reacting to their debute mv manon was sitting right next to lara as their watching lara was screaming and cheering for the other girls when it was their part but when it manons part she kept quiet and visibly looked annoyed then manon leaned her head on Lara's sholder she slightly flinched and almost rolled her eyes it looked..now this had me thinking twice i personally do not support mean girl vibes because of my experience in high school.. even if i try i cant really look at lara and Sophia the same way im torn between being a solo stan, supporting the other girls or not support Katseye at all...by the way lara was my bias so yea...

[@savagestation5653]

I just went back and tbh I noticied that too (and the general reactions were most muted at her part) but I'd just chalk it up to something else for now.

[@Arkv-o1n]

She literally love her stop making everything Manon was literally lacking

[@garimasuhani7227]

manon was at fault nor lara they have every right to be mad at her anon attitude give me the ick honestly she is very arrogant just got in because of the pretty privlage

[@padernadesiree1661]

Lol! For me Sophia did the right thing.

[@Dgrtag]

If you are in a group ,work like a team player. People who comment about bullying did not know how real people in an office works. If you are a student and you are absent or late you get a notice slip. SOLO STANS🤮🤮🤮. Successful people are disciplined or a nepo baby period.

[@Sfb396]

I just think they lack creativity, imagination and innocence especially for a group that just debuted. HYBE tries so hard to debut girl groups where they appear perfectly cool, serious, trendy and flawless. I think something unique and imaginative for the beginning is important. but then again, if the song is good, that's all that matters but if you lack both... then videos like these exist, signs that this girl group isn't doing well. not because of the girls, but they're company, marketing and their creative team.

[@MarianNelms-id9ye]

I can’t even imagine how hard these girls worked. I can understand the frustration. These girls felt. I was heartbroken and sickened by the release of Adela. She clearly won the heart’s of everyone there and she was extremely talented. I sincerely hate some of the hatred thrown in these comments towards Hybe and these girls. they all worked so hard including the producers and trainers. Give these girls a chance.

[@pebbie]

I like the group but I legit can't tell most of their voices apart from like 2 or 3 girls. hybe is a mess but I'm so here for the ride

[@maneater3491]

Manon fans are coming up with so many excuses 😂😂😂😂 like her culture is different like so you want tge girls to adjust to your needs, so why still in the competition in the first place 😂😂😂

[@leaziahcollins3581]

I think people forget that when you're in a competition it's not fun and games and what the girls were going through were totally valid because at the end of the day it was a competition they had to do what they had to do and people that are hating on the girls for some moments in the documentary is crazy because let's be real if you were going through the same thing you would doing exactly what they are

[@savagestation5653]

I wouldn't go as far as gossiping and laughing to make people uncomfortable,lol.

[@leaziahcollins3581]

@@savagestation5653 no yeah that's very wrong but people do dumb things when they're mad

[@naimaahmad2268]

I love the members of katseye, I just think there isn't much care into their music. It's very generic and idk if that's enough to break into the american market.

[@ifychi1922]

I also think most of them want to be soloist. 😮than been in a group

[@Rolandajohn]

6:24 the whole thing of UA ranking so high is because she didn’t have to sing yet that is why she ranked so high because a member for the first mission. It was two vocal teams and two dancing teams. And I’m not gonna lie I feel like the reason why her team was so high permission to was because she was on the same team with Manon and Dani

[@daintycactus7904]

The biggest issue I had with the show was literally everything to do with Mitra and the executives. They lied to those girls about how the 6 finalists would be determined and about the survival how aspect, which they then sprang on them without warning when none of them had signed up for that. The eliminations were awful and horrible to watch and Mitra (I'll fight this woman if I ever see her) clearly did not care about how thee girls are being effected. Sure, that eliminations got views, but that's not always a good thing when it makes your whole company look cold and callous. Like, they're supposed to protect their girl- even if they're just trainees. None of them were mature enough to deal with that on their own and you can see it in how they break down during every second of that awful robot screen telling them who is going home or not.

[@Renalyn-vj7ot]

The other members were just being honest with how they felt during those times. Manon's solo stand are stupid for not considering that, they should think putting themselves into the girl's situations🙄

[@Phd366]

They talk about culture differences.. like, what? There were girls from OTHER countries too and they still followed rules and schedules.. it was wrong for Manson to skip so many training sessions specially the team ones. Did she improve and change later on? That’s another story.

[@CyanideNohappiness]

When the elimination scene where each contestant is forced to vote who will be eliminated. Most of them voted for MANON Imagine debuting in a group where there is a potential that everybody doesn't like you to be in that group but is forced due to the public interest. I can smell that even the producer smells that she is not good as well as MITTY criticizing her to go, but that does not stop the audience loving her from shortcomings.

[@holoinfinity4691]

The covid is understandable, she could've said nothing then got EVERYONE sick. They would most likely be more pissed for that. HYBE executives should have stated very clearly she had to go to train as much as possible if that's what was expected of their trainees.

[@Nellymnn]

Never knew Switzerland was country like that. Ngl the US and Korea should take notes. If that’s the reason why it contributed to manon’s way of going about practices/working it should be taken into consideration (though not being the end all be all).

[@vqsiyn]

Can you do a video about Taeil??

[@KpopFeelsMyJams]

I bet they won't unless we call them out

[@yasminchan7425]

Sorry off topic but I genuinely thought that was Chaewon *6:28*

[@MM-gr9ri]

Those girls had every right to be angry at manon!!! Hell I would be. Like at normal jobs you have that one slacker who never seems to get in trouble. But the one time you don't do as great you get in trouble. Like those girls had every right to be angry at her

[@I_hv_no_brains...]

For having COVID

[@Arkv-o1n]

​@I_hv_no_brains..lol she skipped before and after covid and one time she felt to skip also.

[@Chubbylito11]

Remember the Le Serrafim documentary? Not surprised

[@Renalyn-vj7ot]

This is why i lost interest to katseye not bcoz of the girls but I loathe the management, plus i also don't like solo stan they will just ruin the whole group's career.

[@lia.e.9749]

Ngl im pretty bored and lazy when it comes to practice. I give my bare minimum. But when it comes to group rehearsals or the actual performance comes, that's where I give my 100%. Call me anything you guys want but I can show that I can give my best and do the best. I can prove ya'll wrong once the performance comes😂

[@gsastudio-archl]

If i need to work twice more to practice two formations in case 1 member doesn't show-up, I'd be mad too. It's a bit disappointing to see some solo fans being so narrow-minded. Remember, it's a girl group, and we should be cheering for Katseye as a whole. They really do enhance each other’s strengths!

[@yuvalpc111]

Of course, it's all about being pretty it's the K-pop industry. People are so clueless.

[@tobe4real]

The thing is I have spoken so so many people who have never cared about kpop who now like katseye after the Doccumentary

[@karibills6243]

a few years ago? dream academy was last year i voted in it. still haven't watched the show yet on netflix.

[@AJNAL777]

Sorry I don’t feel this group.

[@Arielaarmy-k7i]

Soo why are you watching this video😂😂

[@idkyouho]

@@Arielaarmy-k7iLiterally? So dumb

[@riel777]

@@Arielaarmy-k7i Cause I can. 🤣

[@_invinciScribe_24]

Why watch then? Pretty stupid to watch when you don’t like the group 😂😂

[@kumaruma643]

I liked the documentary. I never paid attention to Katseye prior to their Netflix show, but I learned so much about the girls and am excited to see their journey.

[@corstx]

The problem with katseye is that they’ll become big

[@MichelleDuah-u8x]

I don't think so.. yall say this to every group😭 Itzy/New Jeans/ Ive/ Stray Kids/Illit/Lesserafim, everytimeeee. They get hyped for months and then they fall off. Same thing will happen with Katseye icl.

[@Carlos2400]

I love the documentary and even my mom that knows nothing about K-pop enjoy it

[@milkyscoups]

Whats are the bots? I cant see it

[@toxki.]

Same

[@JiaPia3]

Surprised they haven’t covered NCT Taeil yet…

[@yasminchan7425]

Yeah I honestly thought that vid would come out as fast as possible

[@KpopFeelsMyJams]

But soon as SUGA fell the video came up like.... I KNOw they see it. Why are the avoiding making a video. ITS SUS!!!

[@hopeimurhope]

Man why is none talking about my girl Yoonchae she is so talented I know her group might be mean but I've never seen her in the spotlight I know what I'm about to say might be racist but she could have been in a better group A NORMAL group and it would be way easier for her since she is already korean...

[@shahilhassan9415]

I somewhat agree that she would have been better in a kpop grp but she signed up for it and seems really happy

[@hopeimurhope]

@@shahilhassan9415 Yes that's the most important thing if she happy that's the whole thing she is just happy that she made it there 😭😭

[@MikhaV]

And she's the youngest in the bunch!

[@Hiyyih_princess]

yoonchae is definitely the best, I feel like she has tried so hard and is so talented, in the debut I was disappointed because she was almost not in the center and she had no lines but in "Touch" she sounds incredible and many talked about her but not at the level of the others. As you said, I agree that if she had debuted as a maknae of another group it would have been up to the visual and center

[@hopeimurhope]

@@MikhaV fr like she is a whole pack😭

[@VujisicN]

I mean if I were in their shoes I would be pissed that If I had to learn multiple choreographies cuz some girl didn't feel like coming (I understand the part when she has COVID but before that girl like you can't just be like I don't feel like coming)

[@ElastFanChannel]

I luv your vids but can you do a video of the E entertainment company, they have a boy group E'last and weird things keep happening right now none of the fans know where one of the members are he just never came back after miltary another member just disappeared for a year and he only recently posted something

[@Tionglounge]

I watched the whole documentary film… it was so addicting and good. When you look at it from a growing perspective this is a message they were talking about. When you’re young and learning about the world and entertainment business, it’s not perfect, It’s reality. people succeed, some fail, some overcome. People make mistakes and learn to foster growth. They learn how to lead and how to lean on others. To imagine how they establish empathy and how to be proactive on the care for each other is important. I think it’s a backlash when most of the audience may not have experienced what they went through, but that time will come.

[@immealldayeveryday9425]

There is no problem with Katseye and also I liked the documentary, y’all just ridiculous

[@user-zz3dr6ov5u]

I don’t get why people hate the documentary. Honestly, I really enjoyed it. I heard about them but not a fan yet. It was after the doc, I Stan them!!

[@sa.1239]

There are many great vocalists in the world, many great dancers in the world but only a small few make it because what sets them apart is the star quality. Manon is clearly the star in the group (along with Sophia). Talent and experience is only 50% and the rest comes from looks (call it pretty privilege) and aura.

[@Mine-R1]

Katseye was doomed, especially after they released the documentary... especially since HYBE doesn't like most of these girls. K-pop is fake; they said so themselves. In K-pop, if you don't have star power or the looks, you're out-it doesn't matter how talented you are. In K-pop, your looks come first, before your talent. This is why I prefer artists from other countries, where it's their talent that makes them a star, not their looks.

[@sinfall5280]

I still like Katseye I hope they succeed

[@giselleakgae4100]

Part of K-pop is they have a lot of places to promote like korean tv or youtube channels. America for whatever reason don't have silly shows where pop groups can play games and I guess American fans don't want to see that. So Katseye are tweeners where a lot of their fans are Kpop fans who like to see them cooking or playing games but there is no place for that besides their own KZbin channel.

[@BABYMONSTER_RAMI_AHYEON_RORA]

I like KATSEYE

[@micodelic21]

Think they're gaining traction now.

[@valon8523]

Seriously, why are people so friggin sensitive these days. So sick and tired of the whining and crying over every little shit that goes on in ANYTHING. You ahve a life, focus on your life and treat entertainment as ENTERTAINTMENT!

[@Music-vr7sz]

Hybe bought them a Netflix documentary and 5 million monthly listeners on Spotify. Payola groups are the worst.

[@kalissiaamarelo204]

I feel the doc did sir the pot… no matter what side your on about it. But the real issue is the music and the direction that are going in. Why do these “global groups “ keep coming out with kpop Disney kid bop music and concepts? How are katseye going to sit next to group like say now, flo, pyirn, citizen queen, even xg? The girls have potential but hybe and geffen has to which it up. The doc is only going get them so far…. Hell a new doc with blakswan is out and that’s all you see now. Ppl are already moved on.

[@nickjeffrey8050]

Manon is the one trust she’s 12/10

[@niharikarao3677]

To be honest the part where the girls were subjected to voting as one of the criteria to be part of the group was the reason why most talented girls were eliminated… votes were so biased. The whole vibe would have been different if the organizers truly had taken work ethic and major improvements only into consideration and put together a group like the likes of black pink …