Korean Men answer questions about D.P and the Military

[@DKDKTV]

It's better to watch D.P with Korean men that have served in the military (our reactions and stories are a bonus) Watch D.P with us: www.patreon.com/posts/d-p-ep-01-watch-55706666

[@DKDKTV]

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[@mylovechoerry2233]

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[@aglago8895]

was waiting for this content, thanks guys... this wasn't really my type of genre but i watched this because of Jung Hae In, haha.... when i watched this i actually thought about you guys, Danny & David... the extent of truth of all that was in the series... i remembered Danny talk about his military duty years ago....

[@katelady1370]

Am i the only pervert who thinks DP means that one category in porn? It is so weird to keep reading watch DP with us!

[@elizabethbrooks2003]

what was the incident you mentioned at 16:06?

[@lillyess385]

It's not borderline sexual harassment David, it's actual sexual harassment.

[@hellionshark3197]

Yeah... That sounded horrible for this guy.

[@chihiroogino7464]

Yeah people forget that guys can get sexually harassed too

[@vivitheartist4411]

for real. that's traumatic for the guy,

[@ad_kk16]

@@chihiroogino7464 I feel like most people don't forget, it just became less of an issue. Most people always invaildate when a guy admits to being sexually harrassed by someone (by a woman or a man).

[@ad_kk16]

@Lily Puzzle That's what I mean by that lmao. It's men! Thank you though! Also, t's a very small amount of women who will invalidate them, that's just because of old thinking or enabling. I've had a few ex-friends who are women who did. It's possible. Just rare, I guess. That's why I included that part because of personal experiences

[@luisadoamaral]

My dad served in the military when he was 18 (the age Brazilian men enlist) and he kept some fond memories because he made great, lifelong friends, but, when we were watching DP, he talked a bit more than usual about the bad sides. He said that one of the things that the military did to him was that it made him incredibly resistant because he had to put up with so much hierarchical abuse that there was just no other way to survive. Once I finished the show I felt like this huge hole in my heart was exposed. I loathe hierarchical abuse very deeply. And there’s literally nothing to be done about it.

[@brendacastro1315]

My dad served too. He was parachutist and he always has good stories but a lot of bad ones too. And now my younger brother is trying to follow his steps, and I'm not gonna lie, I'm worry af.

[@sana3843]

My dad served in the Soviet army. He has very lucky. He was one of only 2 people in his entire devision who weren’t sent to Afghanistan. He was editing newspaper for the army and helped upper command with some organizational things, so they decided he is too smart and so he is of value, super rear thing for the Soviets. Almost no one came back from his division. They were 18-20.

[@brendacastro1315]

@@sana3843 omg I'm so sorry for you dad fellowship, but thanks God your dad didn't go, and basically survive!

[@teatime.1114]

Yeah :( in every fields of work/job in the world, i really loathe hierarchical abuse so much

[@sweety095100]

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@fuliajulia]

Every time I learn about the experiences Korean men face in the military, I can't help but think about the larger gender issues in SK. It seems impossible to address the social isolation between men and women and the prevalence of gender-based violence without also acknowledging the trauma of mandatory military service and how that impacts the male population.

[@sophiealka3431]

I had the same thoughts

[@jellyrolly]

the military always comes up when discussing gender issues, since most men feel that their 2 years of forced military service are often mocked by women. i myself have seen my female coworkers call military service 'camping' and laugh at it. men say they don't even think women MUST go to the army like the israelis do, but they'd like them to at least acknowledge that their 2 years in the army deserve appreciation.

[@sophiealka3431]

@@jellyrolly I can understand that Korean men who perform service probably feel like the experience is not understood by citizens who haven't performed it. No-one should have traumatic experiences mocked or invalidated

[@Lisa-vg6qv]

I would guess it starts earlier, since many schools seem to not be co-ed. If you grow up with very little contact with the opposite sex, I guess you can get a lot of different weird preconceptions. I feel sorry for the men who get bullied and harassed in the military, there must be a lot of trauma and men with repressed anger because of it. No one should make fun of them. On the other hand, Korean men claiming they are being oppressed because they have to do military service completely disregard the discrimination women deal with their entire lives. Lower pay, sexual harassment, stalking, judgement, double standards for sex and relationships, constant pressure of looking thin, etc. Maybe more co-Ed schools would help. Although overall, life seems really hard for most young people there, both men and women. And so focused on a pressure to be best. I don’t know how they cope.

[@sarahtouati3124]

@@jellyrolly say that to the South korean military girl that got raped by her collègue male military lol I don't know what you're saying South Korea is full of toxic masculinity, sexism and misogyni of course not as much as Muslim countries but it's still though for women's there even at work, educate yourself on the matter before trying to make hate comments about women's making them look bad by saying they make fun of guys and waht not ignorant stuff, there are Females too in South Korean military ✌️

[@alisonfraser3305]

I’m a bit mystified that Danny starts off with none of the stuff ever happened to him and then he remembers that all of the stuff happened to him or someone else.

[@lillyess385]

My guess he blocked it from his memory and as he's talking about it, it's all coming back. It happens to me too.

[@VMYeahVN]

Yeah that's usually how it goes with trauma's and stuff. A lot of people suppress it and make themselves forget. Especially if it's highly highly traumatizing. Or like in Danny's case it seems, it wasn't super severe or it was just so normal (at the time) that he didn't think anything of it back then but now realizes "oh wait, yeah that was probably not ok".

[@omma5094]

it's kinda like life period. traumatic experiences can be put on the back burner till someone triggers it open. hopefully in a good healing way and not shoot up and stab way.

[@ByouBbeautiful]

It’s probably so normalised that you don’t realise how shitty it was until you unpack it.

[@maiathebee410]

My impression was that he was saying that relatively, he didn't experience anything extreme or something that felt extreme at the time. I think sometimes when you compare things you experience to others' experiences, it's too easy to downplay them

[@ByouBbeautiful]

Honestly the ‘average’ experience sounds absolutely horrendous. I wonder how this affects the male population after their service. Does it negatively impact their romantic, familial or social relationships (aggression, bullying, toxic masculinity), self esteem, mental health issues, etc.

[@m_sr406]

I have the same questions

[@leonorie4462]

I wanna hear their response

[@vatefairefoutre0]

lol it certainly doesn't help the overall work culture of Korea... that's for sure.

[@m_sr406]

@@vatefairefoutre0 what do you mean, specifically

[@francescavitale28]

Considering the recent increased hatred for feminists movements in Korea... yeah

[@aisha-gq6cz]

The korean government should make it appealing to korean men to want to serve and stay in the military. How can you keep your country safe and serve well when you hate being there in the first place.

[@hpjjreec6456]

Sadly it seems like it's pretty much the same in the military everywhere. You always hear stuff in the media e.g. in the US or Europe too.

[@chillaxinchica]

Honestly this sort of stuff happens in the US military as well. Including rape by superiors of male and female recruits. The mental and emotional breakdown is supposed to remove independence and create a cohesive unit and make you follow direction without question. Unfortunately it goes wrong when you run into superiors that abuse it and/or have been so mentally broken that they really have crossed over into the realm of being mentally unstable.

[@ThatBlackPiano]

They currently do not have to worry about being appealing to the soldiers. They have the U.S. army to back them and scare NoKo and they have the history of conscription that the citizens do not push back on.

[@sjskowjdjbgqg]

government doesn't give a shit..

[@aisha-gq6cz]

@@hpjjreec6456 yeah i’m sure it is. but in Korea all men are obligated by law to join the military unlike other country. hence my comment that they should make it so that korean men would want to serve in the military and keep serving even after their mandatory 2 years

[@pr9166]

David's story about the journal... that's absolutely disgusting. Absolutely. It just pisses me off that these are the type of people who are supposed to be protecting a country, so to speak, when they're out here just power tripping, abusing, bullying, sexually harrassing/abusing...

[@ayd8833]

the way danny flat ruled out rape, thought it could only happen to women, then goes oh yh no there was a guy that used to touch me when the convo turned to SA made me rly sad

[@TheLily97232]

Me too... he has so much unlearning to do. A lot. It's just sad

[@a-ee7840]

I'm not even surprised. The school bullying in Korea is already horrendous so no wonder it would carry on into military years.

[@mau345]

It also seeps into the workplace.

[@jalfredprufrock620]

It's more like the military culture trickles down to school, work, and every other unit of social organization. And the school bullying is nothing compared to what the teachers used to get up to before corporal punishment was outlawed.

[@lightefilit]

The way military environment tries so hard to normalize abusive (mental, physical and sexual... all of it) behaviour in men is absolutely disgusting. As if we already don't have enough of these problems.

[@lkive]

I think the motivation for catching the deserters came from Private An Jun Ho’s guilt of not catching the first deserter who took his life. He really wanted to save the deserters and help them, as opposed to just bringing them back to the army. Even tho it may not be realistic, it makes a great kdrama and shows the extreme but absolute possible affects of the bullying conditions

[@lin_ash]

When slippers are the only best thing in the military. WOW.

[@Sara-rl3xi]

Ok I've actually been CRAVING for this kind of content so I'm pretty excited

[@tamarrartis2918]

That's why I support these guys they actually get down to the answers of the questions we want

[@calliesantana9524]

David’s epic WTF faces at Danny are the best

[@nuriaYJ]

It's so interesting to hear it from people who already went to the military service. Military sounds kind of scary 😱

[@realest_]

It is scary and horrible . My brother completely suffered, I don’t wish what he went through on my worst enemy

[@nuriaYJ]

@@realest_ so sorry to hear that 😟 I hope he's ok

[@ekso9914]

obviously cuz its the military lmfao

[@atinyxstay4ever413]

@@ekso9914 not funny and that should change...

[@ekso9914]

@@atinyxstay4ever413 what

[@Walklikeaduck111]

Even the not so bad military service sounds terrible. You guys seemed to have blocked out some of it and as you kept talking it came back to you. Why are there so many bullies in the world.

[@huangmaobaimao]

in school , its the same and work place too just more discreet

[@April_ONeil]

Because the keep the cycle of abuse going. They think since it happened to them it's "ok" to do to others.

[@hatsuharuboi]

Institutions that are\have absurdly strict hierarchy like the military are breeding grounds to bullying... in my country (Brazil) there were some big scandals about bullying in the armed forces and here, even thought every male has to serve when we are 18 yo, only a very small % of us end serving, so they chose only people who say that they want to serve and have a carreer in the military...

[@wisbaely]

Because human beings are the worst creature on the planet

[@성이름-y8u1e]

The most bullies in the military are not the bullies from schools or anywhere. They were all normal people, most of them didn’t even hit a person before. The military society literally makes them bullies, they are forced to hit their juniors. You may ask why and how it would happen? go watch dp The show tells everything about how forced military service can fuck up someone’s life so much

[@forevera5241]

This seems like just another example of people being given power over others with no consequences attached.

[@StxtchKiss]

I noticed that the Most in DP crazy superiors going on ego trips and no consequences to reel them in seems to be the cause of these issues

[@deleteme924]

Most people can't escape conscription, so the military has little incentive to improve to attract people

[@Mateo_animations.]

People treating you as an invisible person is way better than being bullied.... I agree!!

[@flimcomedy7667]

It depends being treated as invisible can be a form of bullying

[@markigirl2757]

@@flimcomedy7667 uhhh it’s way better to be invisible then constantly bullied nonstop I can vouch from personal experience

[@Mateo_animations.]

@@flimcomedy7667 being bullied in a way that they can't physically hurt you or HUMILIATE you in public i guess it's more OKAY... When they're ur friend/family it's sad when they do it, but if they are strangers i guess being treated as invisible is WAY BETTER...

[@anab.9115]

I feel sorry for the guy that had to do the dishes and wow it seemed like the officer encouraged the soldiers to continue bullying the guy instead of addressing the bullying issue so he wouldn't have serial killing thoughts

[@pHo_O]

It's so scary .... I think people love 'power' even if it's the slightest bit when they have the chance.

[@roter13]

I'm so scared when Holland (the first gay idol) goes to the military. I hope he has supportive people in his base.

[@Heyguhh]

And the higher ups might not even help him (if something bad does happen to him) that’s honestly messed up

[@villainoir]

This is all I can think of while watching his latest interview

[@sgdsingh9123]

I thought Holland moved out of SK-no?

[@mgnrvnn4199]

@@sgdsingh9123 Idk about his situation, but as long as he has the Korean citizenship he has to serve, no matter where he lives.

[@sgdsingh9123]

@@mgnrvnn4199 Or, if he wants to ever go back, at least-that’s my understanding

[@Damanique]

The sad thing is that this kind of traumatic environment is common in military training everywhere, because it basically requires a breakdown of your ego in order to be better at mindlessly following the chain of command and going through harsh physical conditions.

[@sleepysera]

Yea that's the biggest problem in the end. I can't really see a "solution" to it because in case of war, you can't have people asking questions, hesitate to follow orders or display individuality like normal, you need this...basically blind hivemind that works like a well-oiled machine. And you won't get that unless you break people down to some degree. Making military service not mandatory tends to just make it worse, because the only people who join voluntarily in that case are the ones who thrive in these extremely hierarchical structures.

[@whitneyr6182]

I don't think there's any evidence that such thing is "required." I think militaries all over the world say that to justify what they do. You don't have to traumatize people to get their cooperation.

[@Justyn_Lim_]

@@whitneyr6182 You can't treat the military like a corporation. The people in the military need to be mentally trained to potentially lose their lives, not just work for the next report of the next fiscal quarter.

[@whitneyr6182]

@@Justyn_Lim_ all the more reason to avoid traumatizing them for no reason. There is no data, at all, that says military training must include terrorizing the new recruits. It's just tradition.

[@GirlofGlamour89]

@@whitneyr6182 it’s not for no reason. It’s for a reason: just not a good one. If you’re being traumatized with the people you’re with everyday and can put up with the bad things they do….you will have no problem shooting or killing the enemy when in battle. They aren’t traumatized to get their cooperation. They are put through that to make sure their emotions don’t come into conflict if they were to actually go to war.

[@Department_of_Justice]

The emphasis on hierarchy increases the instances of bullying

[@aep394]

"Hypothetically" - Danny.

[@ireneonly]

I watched d.P. and its one of the best series of the year. Its quite shocking, but i prefer that kind of drama because it has a protest in it that things have to change. Sometimes kdramas are too unreal and they should be closer the social situation in south korea and expose these bad things to encourage this type of conversation and debate.

[@sarasumayya3839]

I’m so surprised you are saying all of this. I’m absolutely certain it happens all over the world but the fact that both of you can say it all openly is amazing to me. 👍🏼

[@tiffanys358]

It’s kinda sad how it’s normalized. Korea really does have a big bully & hazing problem in virtually every place (schools, work offices, military etc). I don’t agree with mandatory enlisting or drafting but the least the gov can do is make sure their citizens don’t come out of their service psychologically traumatized.

[@nancymcgee4776]

Thanks for sharing your military stories with us Danny and David! It might have been a few years ago and, your home now and life goes on but, some of those memories still seemed raw. Thanks again and sending you both, a big 'ole hug! 🥂💜

[@sumanalvarez6423]

Yessss so excited for this one , I actually just finished watching D.P and was pretty shocked about the extreme physical and emotional abuse many went through. It left me wondering how much of it was true and has the atmosphere improved within the years? your content is amazing!! Love from Mexico ❤️❤️✨

[@cottonclouds]

i fear the issues shown in D.P. are never going to get resolved, no matter how many laws are implemented as prevention. those problems are inherent to the hierarchical power structure of the military and toxic masculinity in general.

[@__Kimes]

Well we gotta do what we gotta do to make it better.

[@AnaissN]

Yes, this seems to require a cultural change as well

[@alicevalle6949]

After watching D.P. that’s exactly the kind of video I was looking for! Interesting question and answers, keep up with this cultural videos cause they’re dope!

[@yum3027]

Seriously hearing David describe the slapping as a non issue ( compared to everything else) it’s super sad. Abuse is abuse no matter how “minor” and that part of Korean life is horrifying to me 😢

[@14omoon]

Just finished watching and I must say this show hurt my heart, like a lot. There were barely small victories with no happy endings or resolutions and that can be life but man.... This hurt to watch Edit Edit: This looks like a social commentary on Army life as well and I hope change can spark from this and more people speaking out 💗💗

[@michelleyarmolinsky77]

Is there a reason there’s so much bullying and harassment in the Korean military? Is this just how men are when they’re stuck in an isolated base for two years? It seems counterproductive to preparing soldiers for war.

[@hpjjreec6456]

From what I've heard, military culture is pretty similar everywhere. There's always some scandals coming out in the US or Europe too.

[@joshykun]

I heard from a friend that they break you down so they can build you back up, they need to make sure that you can handle any situation in a real life setting, they expect you to protect your comrades and your country so they train you really harshly

[@kirampd4545]

It's just like highschool; a bunch of people from different backgrounds and personalities are forced to work together under strict conditions. Military is harsh everywhere but I suspect it's worse in military with conscription in place as inevitably some people with bodies/personalities not suited to to the job are forced to do said job. Also, bullying and harassment is not exclusive to men (speaking from experience of going to all girls boarding school).

[@pumpkinsandme6238]

My husband's in construction, it's similar on a smaller scale, just less hierarchy and you can always quit. Guys just like to be asses.

[@queerscientist2120]

As a Korean, I think it is because of corrupt system, tradition and conscription. Lots of counterproductive things happens in Korea like 똥군기 (unreasonable domineering behavior) in anywhere in Korea (school, companys, etc.), and most high school students are force to do 야간자율학습 (means night-time voluntary self-study, but it is actually 강제학습 forced self-study) simply to get higher test scores. When it comes to Korean military, at least, people try to improve it by allow soldiers to use phones, reduce the serving time, etc. It may take time to improve the rights of soldiers.

[@biancachis8516]

This sounds so scary, it's no wonder so many Korean men are traumatized about the mandatory service before they even start it...

[@noaiz]

This is an amazing content. I knew a Korean guy years ago and he came across as very jolly and a total jokester but one day he casually said he sometimes get depressed remembering his army days when his friend committed suicide during that time. Like wow. Didn’t know how to react to that but I felt bad for him and his friend.

[@biancafelton6087]

why did his fri🎉nd commit suicide?

[@mary-ann1233]

I really enjoyed hearing about your military stories, thank you! Danny had me cracking up at the end, so hilarious. I'll never look at a sleeping bag the same way again 😂

[@4444randomness]

So ironic that the military is like this but a celebrity’s career can be ruined for insulting someone once in middle school

[@wisbaely]

Insulting someone in middle school isn't better it leaves lifetime scars for the victim

[@jacksonwangspapillong4217]

@@wisbaely yeah timely verbal abuse scars you for your entire life but the sheer torture ppl go through in the military will damage their sense of normal thinking. I hope I make sense, english isn't my first language sorry.

[@annmi4730]

​@@wisbaelythere is a difference middle schooler are teens and military official ate grown ass man

[@mheekkim2901]

As someone who grew up half my life in the US and half in Korea sexism exists in both countries. The difference is men in the US don't really experience as much sexist treatment, its like they are placed on a higher stool. Korea, women and men both face harsh treatment of sexism. Women more on promotions in jobs, treated as they are weaker physically and psychologically. Men are assumed to take the brunt of all physical punishment, complaints or cries for help are seen as a weakness. TIL Women in Korea are treated as children, men are seen as mere tools.

[@TamaraVlogs]

Very interesting, thank you for sharing

[@yannickjohn6930]

Korean society is really bad. Stuck in a role? What if I want to ask for help? Is lending a helping hand that had?

[@omma5094]

it's amazing that until now no one has made a movie about the life in the military here.they have told things about how crappy and harassments in the american military. it would be nice to know more and maybe shed light on what's really going on.

[@observer5427]

the country wouldn't want a too realistic movie or drama to go out to public because it paints them in the less than glorious light

[@vanillaar655]

america is very sensitive and proud of their military although its kinda ironic a country to prides in its freedom of speech often censors the way it portrays the reality of the military

[@cladesm]

@@observer5427 if you haven't watch Full Metal Jacket. It shows the abuse during the Vietnam war. Which is what D.P. reminded me of. Which is also when the U.S. had the draft. More recent movies are less likely to mention it because the military funds a lot of U.S. movies as a way of "soft propaganda" for recruitment (ie: Transformers)

[@whitneyr6182]

@@vanillaar655 We're not just sensitive, it's actually worse. The military sees all our big movies and TV shows and can change things to make sure the script is "accurate." It's censorship. If you watch any of the Marvel movies, there are whole sections that are obviously written by the US military. (Wanda Vision was the worst, in my opinion).

[@whitneyr6182]

"Why would you join a terrorist organization that hates freedom?" Come on. Nobody talks like that.

[@leen7704]

Yes! So excited this is the kind of content I have been waiting for!

[@nicolespruitt675]

If everyone has to go through it no one would see it as trauma. Sad

[@TamaraVlogs]

This is super raw and real. Much respect to you guys for sharing honestly & being vulnerable. ✊🏼 I’m sorry that Korean men have to go through this.

[@chillaxinchica]

Really enjoyed hearing your insights Danny and David, thank you!

[@Ja92fy]

I watched the show earlier this week and had so many questions! Glad you made this video

[@cyberchic11]

This is shocking to my ears Danny and David. The fact that these behaviours are normalised in your recollection is what's shocking and scary. It seems you have to be mentally strong to be in the military in Korea.

[@meanjune]

doesn't matter, every male goes. strong or weak. that's why there's so many issues

[@TheSylfaein]

Given the actual reason of forming a military (defending the country from foreign powers), mental strength is required all around the world. Imagine a scenario where a real war breaks out - like in Ukraine at the moment - and the soldiers are not mentally stable. Effects can be seen all over the internet: from revolts of smaller units against superiors to barbaric/sadistic acts against civilians to release pent-up anger/stress, from deserting because they lack proper commands or food to suicides/kamikaze attacks due to shortages in equipment resulting in deaths of comrades... One thing is shaping or conditioning the body, the other is imposing stress to build a mental resistance. Some just take it way too far, sadly.

[@marydillon3039]

Oh darling..it is worst.

[@_ashmason007]

Why do you think South Korea has the highest no. of suicides in the world? Yeah.

[@moaarmy6623]

in a different case, if your senior is abusive and you are a DP, i think you'll have no choice but to do your job very seriously. i do believe these hazings do happen in real life. the victims would never come out in public and tell everyone about their experiences, but i believe D.P. may be inspired by anonymous testimonies from those who experienced it to bring awareness on what's really happening inside the military. someone somewhere behind those barracks may be suffering up to this very day and is scared to say anything just like what the series portrayed. and it's sad that there are people who can do worst things for their own entertainment. and it's an oblivious notion for people to say that "the military is better now" when someone might still be crying alone right now from being bullied.

[@five_to_nine_online]

I feel like the senior officers abusing younger ones falls inline with a thought I’ve seen from some older people that if I’ve gone through this pain/trauma then you should to because it’ll “make you a man” as a way to justify their abuse to the younger generation whilst as a way to oddly mask their own trauma inflicted on them by their own abusers. This makes sense considering the stigma around mental health and how they wouldn’t be considered “real men” if wanted or tried to reach out to get help, so they cycle just continues. It empowers people who should never have it in the first place and breaks people even more then they already are. Plus since this is a cycle of continuous abuse, people don’t know how or are afraid to break it. It doesn’t justify people hurting others but it isn’t an uncommon idea(s) where I’m from in the states among older generations. It doesn’t surprise me then that officers will do everything to cover stuff up. I mean why would the minister of defense knowingly and openly state “yeah we don’t care and I’m bad at my job”. Makes sense that they would deny and cover up bc then they’d loose the system that gave them so much power in the first place. Politics 101 deny deny deny. Eventually some undeniable truth comes acknowledge but still deny total responsibility and deny some more till the end of your elected term.

[@LishaA94]

After hearing you both talk about your experience in the military, it kinda just makes me wonder if Korea did actually go into a war, would you both truly be prepared for it? Is the information you guys learned there truly relevant?

[@SDRWORK]

Exactly lmao their jobs/positions seemed so useless apart from becoming cold-hearted and toxic from all those bullying and harassments! What's the point of making it mandatory if the willingness or the effort to prepare yourselves isn't coming from both sides!

[@laur-unstagenameactuallyca1587]

damn... true.

[@ela7354]

I mean most men come out bulked up after their service, they train with guns and all that and they exercised everyday so yes most men are prepared for a war, much more prepared than other countries citizens.

[@laur-unstagenameactuallyca1587]

@@ela7354 the gun training is valid but you don't stay "bulked up" forever lmao.

[@attilanagy1017]

That’s what I was thinking about. And they lost 2 from their best years.

[@cyn1c4lpho3nix]

Danny definitely did that. 🤣 with his detailed ass hypothetical...

[@ThanhMaiOFFICIAL]

This awkward and entertaining at the same time lol keep up the dope content guys 🙌💯😎🧐

[@viannanolen-peters1392]

I totally like Danny! Continue to keep it real Danny!

[@northlight6759]

My dad had to do some mandatory service in the South African military back in the day. He tells hilarious stories now about playing pranks on guards in watchtowers, fishing with grenades, going AWOL for a day to go to church and just barely getting back to base in time to ship out to another part of the country, slacking off during his watch, trying to shoot guinea fowl for dinner and missing them all even on full auto. But my mom says he hated it so much at the time that he practically had a personality change whenever it was time for him to go back for another term.

[@exmuslim-prolgbt2610]

Mandatory Military is bad :))) no one should be forced against their will to do something.

[@northlight6759]

@@exmuslim-prolgbt2610 Like wearing masks, you mean? Or seatbelts? Or paying for things? Plenty of things in society are mandatory

[@exmuslim-prolgbt2610]

@@northlight6759 You know those things are completely different from mandatory Military

[@northlight6759]

@@exmuslim-prolgbt2610 well, when you make a general statement like "no one should be forced against their will to do something," I'm going see if you really mean that. Seems you don't 🤷‍♀️

[@exmuslim-prolgbt2610]

@@northlight6759 oh yes, I was wrong on that :)

[@Lusjellyhead]

Guys, that was GREAT. Really. It was amazing. Thank you! I've never thought much about the military. I have only one friend who actually went to the army and never talked much about it. I can only assume that this reality is not exclusive to SK military. And probably not much has changed from the father's to son's generations. And it is quite a different perspective as a woman to hear all this. And it is a sad reality with all the abuse and stuff, and how these "traditions" go along from generation to generation. And the offended becomes the offender and so on... because thats how they were told it was supposed to be.

[@Opinyonada_official]

I love these 2. The best vloggers I have watched. No dull moment. I enjoy watching them. I love the honesty, the knowledge they share.

[@evie_rosie9804]

We used to have the same mandatory military training in Spain but it isn’t done anymore since 2001, now it’s voluntary as in most countries. I didn’t know it is still done in Korea though so it’s interesting to hear your experiences and opinions, great video!❤️

[@jyrrin]

pardon my ignorance, but can i ask why a country like spain would have mandatory military training? when i think of mandatory military training, i think of countries like israel or south korea where they're constantly under threat. spain seems kinda odd to have this type of conscription.

[@evie_rosie9804]

@@jyrrin that is actually such a good question, I had to search it in google because it is true that it didn’t make much sense. Apparently, it was implemented during the War of the Spanish Succession in the 1700s (multiple European countries taking sides, fighting for spanish territories…etc) so they could make you go to war even if you didn’t volunteer. After that, Franco (a dictator that ruled between 1939-1975 in Spain after a civil war and in the middle of WWII) made it mandatory that you had to spend two years in military training just in case. Then, after his death the government decreased it to only 9 months and shortly after that, in 2001 they abolished it because well, it wasn’t really necessary

[@jyrrin]

@@evie_rosie9804 well that was actually a great answer! thanks for that :) and good for spain. hopefully good for south korea too one day.

[@EfeFlet]

@@evie_rosie9804 hola! Sólo quería comentarte que Franco duró (desgraciadamente) bastante más que hasta el 45 (que supongo que lo sabes jajaja más bien es por los extranjeros que te lean). No sabía el origen de la mili, gracias por compartir!

[@evie_rosie9804]

@@EfeFlet cierto! 1975 no? Estaba pensando en la segunda guerra mundial y puse 1945! Gracias por avisar lo cambio!! 🤷🏼‍♀️🥰

[@laramuller2874]

Thank you for being open and honest to us 😋

[@rhysea11]

Really impressed at your honesty . 💕

[@CrimsonTide72]

Amazing show and I don't want it downplayed like it doesn't happen. Even our military has work to do in this regard.

[@bltotrs92]

I loved your brutal honesty about everything

[@MM-ManifestingMiracles]

My heart goes out to you gentlemen and all that you've endured! It's a wonder women can have a decent relationship with some men after these guys have had bad experiences and didn't get therapy afterwards. Unbelievable button pushers! Thank you for sharing.

[@colby_247]

Danny is unintentionally very funny lol.

[@genovevalara71]

I am so totally happy you two are not in the military any more.

[@D7cooper]

Thanks for sharing your experiences. I'm glad you survived relatively unscathed - no physical abuse.

[@basicallyme.]

Lol. Didn't watch DP ,but this was interesting. I might watch it now

[@beakingz4047]

you should really give it a chance. the storyline, the atmosphere and all the actors were amazing, it was such an eye opener show. i really loved it!!

[@SeldimSeen1]

Thanks for sharing this. This is important to know.

[@XOut4This]

I really wanted to know DKDKTV’s take on this drama!

[@y1ny4ng75]

It's really interesting to know a lot from the drama DP, I feel the same way happens in every training camp all over the world, even worse to some. A great series recommendation! 👌

[@nellies-taekook-journals]

Thank you for leaving this here. Let's keep reminding the military that we're watching them. Maybe update?

[@lingth]

when i was in the military in Singapore, the service length was 2.5 years, so mine was like D-1000+ 2 years is 700days.. it was a long time, but i would say the bullying is not as bad, the bullying is more minor like you get task to do more work than others, like if you try to act smart and rebuke your superior, you might be assigned more work while others is resting or getting the weekend duties while others get the weekday guard duties. the pay for recurits in the army back then.. was ard SGD 250 i think, while corporals get more ard $300 to $400, i believe its much more nowadays, but its mainly for your Public transport fees and maybe a movie or so.. Most units get a chance to book out on weekend. some service units are lucky to get book out every evenining.

[@aangisbestboi3984]

do you know why mandatory services are put in place??

[@andyng5321]

​@@aangisbestboi3984 because conscription is cheap labour, it is exploitation of men. Say no to it.

[@andyng5321]

Lol $250, how cheap can they go?

[@alifaiman8931]

Im in malaysia army..and i agreed what this two guy said … the scene in dp that the senior punch the new candidates and have a nails at the wall actually happens in malaysia base also…and fun fact im also a DP in malaysia army and I agree that we dont try hard to find these deserters..

[@kristenhiggins5233]

Its actually pretty interesting to hear about another country's military. Even tho its different I noticed quite a few similarities.

[@marciasiedschlag3890]

Basic training is a physiological trip while you are so tired you don’t recognize what’s happening. (At least that hasn’t changed in 50 years) The power trip of bullying needs to stop though.

[@oksanazaporozhets987]

Yes, person can be tired to exhaustion without being humiliated. Then it empower without the mental damage. Tested on myself while finished second marathon month ago (I thought I'm going to die because of heat while running last 4-5 km), I'm fine and start to train for half Iron man, with a biggest dream to do full one day

[@mbanerjee5889]

This was very informative. (Though I definitely didn't expect to laugh as much as I did at the end).

[@treebles]

i love learning about korean culture from yall because you give the realness! thanks

[@treebles]

especially these q+a series!!

[@karinamurphy6645]

How are y’all not at 1M subs yet???

[@purplemoon7521]

Military really does change you and that is hard for a mom who is watching as my son is Military Army here in the US and it breaks my heart to watch it … that and the fear of deployment because he has had one and is expecting another

[@MissesWitch]

The dating thing is so true, I met Korean guys who were interested in me but said they didn't want to date until after military service ^ ^ It's unfortunate but true.

[@SK-rd8hn]

Dang! This is good insight! I'm a 2nd generation Korean American so my dad and his family didn't serve because they immigrated into America before they had to serve. Crazy! I hope our BTS boys are ok... and I hope they bring light to the injustice. Your experiences sound inhumane and awful!

[@pavlinaivanova4574]

I always wondered why my dad and all men i know do not eat soup, like lentils, beans… then i was told why. They have trauma bec of military food forever.

[@layisblessed]

My uncle served in Vietnam and you couldn't pay him to eat beans!

[@jktm7785]

Love this type of content a lot!

[@ZoharNoyMeir]

In my country almost everybody serve including women. We are actually at war so many soldiers do fight and sometimes are killed during their military service. And the is not much bullying or violence. And if there is it will be treated very severely. Because we actually need soldiers for our survival they are respected and treated well. The training can be very tough physically and psychologically but not bullying for the sake 9f bullying. Physical punishment is not acceptable. Bullying doesn't make better soldiers.

[@sleepysera]

Israel?

[@dianas8164]

Who’s Israel in a war with???

[@sleepysera]

@@dianas8164 Well, war is a bit of an overstatement since we generally don't really have country vs country wars anymore nowadays, but armed conflicts with extremist groups in some of its Arab neighbouring countries keeps happening, most famously the Hamas in Palestine (and if you go a few years back, the Hezbollah in Lebanon). These are often backed to some degree by countries like Qatar, Iran and Turkey. Syria, Egypt, Iraq and Sudan were also backing them in the past (or even in outright war with Israel at some point), but the many changed governments and general fallout of the Arab Spring, IS and the Syrian civil war in recent years have messed with alliances in the region. To put it simply: Israel doesn't get along too well with most of its Arabic neighbours, least of all with Palestine due to obvious reasons. The only other countries with full mandatory military service for women are Norway and Sweden, and aside from some joint NATO operations, they haven't been at war with anyone for over 200 years, so I doubt it's either of those two.

[@whatever6189]

Always loved watching Danny and David’s videos because everything they say is truth!!

[@dougmiller1460]

I've read how the ROK Marines and units like White Horse were trained back in Vietnam. From the stories floating around, severe beatings occured for very minor infractions. Not sure if it's the same for all units or if those methods of "motivation" are still allowed today, but those dudes were deffinitly some of the best in the world.

[@allbeing24]

Cool how honest u guys are and chill. Great video guys thanks!

[@gyamarworld7526]

I was very traumatised after watching D.P and after hearing about the situation in real life it’s more traumatising.

[@junemedford3296]

Wow so informative..yea I was wondering what its like in the Korean military..thanks for being candid answering the questions.

[@sandragiant777]

Did either of you try to get into the Katusa program, since you were both fluent in English? I've heard getting into that program is highly competitive?

[@DKDKTV]

That program is a random draw, so it’s all luck (unless you know people)

[@lucinders]

@@DKDKTV Young K from Day 6 has been accepted into the Katusa program. He will be starting on October 12.

[@caru1227]

@@lucinders I think it's likely he knows people (besides having good test scores, ofc), since his father also served in katusa.

[@yelenskareads]

What is that if I may ask?

[@inbetween18]

@@yelenskareads they get to fulfill their service working on American military bases in Korea

[@Ishii88]

Really informative and interesting episode. Thanks for sharing guys!

[@maurabloodgood32]

That’s so sad that the bullying is accurate. I don’t understand what anyone gets out of torturing an other person. I guess it’s a sense of power. But that sense of power constantly needs to be reinforced on a regular basis; which has to be exhausting.

[@winterwad]

Thanks for this video, I was really expecting that Thanks a lot guys!

[@adityashrivastava7441]

When I saw D.P, right from the episodes where they started showing hierarchical abuses, I was appalled and enraged and if these were to be the actual conditions in any military, I really thanked God that my country doesn't have such a system of mandatory military service.

[@dancing.panda.studios]

In my country it's mandatory military, and it's really heartbreaking and maddening at the abuse many soldiers endure especially with abuse of power and a hierarchy. The most recent was a man who became disabled from a mission, and was refused gov help/benefits and he attempted suicide but luckily his mom caught him in time. He recently woke up from the coma he fell into due to injury from the attempted suicide

[@juanchoresultay2704]

@@dancing.panda.studios What country are you from ?

[@Jiji_here_431]

Indian military is actually harsh af, was brought up in that environment and oh boy it does leave trauma

[@TakoBatkuashvili]

About work of D.P. We saw in drama that main character had a reason. He was a really good human being. He felt guilty and wanted to save someone if he could and as we saw runaway characters were all in the bad situations. They even let one of them go because they cared about his situation. And we also saw lazy D.P’s who didn’t care at all and were lazy. I just finished this drama and it was amazing🥲💜

[@jaeswag4921]

My twin brother just went into the military yesterday. Hope he does well 🤧

[@monny1emano]

I was waiting for you guys to do a video on this drama!! I wasn't sure if it's exaggerated or not cos the stories in that drama are just too insane!

[@BrieFee]

So you get picked on about ANYTHING in the military? Sounds like a school full of bullies. I‘m Swiss and the military service here is also mandotary for male citizens but none of my male friends experienced that type of harassment or at least to that extent.

[@xlIwnlsib]

oha ich komme aus Deutschland und habe noch nie von der Schweizer Millitär-Pflicht gehört :D

[@BrieFee]

@@xlIwnlsib Ja, ist aber tatsächlich so. :) Die Schweiz hat auch eine ziemlich lange Söldnergeschichte, seit dem 13. Jh. gingen auch viele junge Schweizer ins Ausland als Söldner, es war in der damals noch armen Schweiz der wichtigste Export. Auch heute ist die Schweiz international tätig, so z.B. als Schweizer Garde im Vatikan oder in Krisengebieten als Peacekeeper. Es gibt aber viele Lager bzgl. der Armee, die eine Seite will sie abschaffen, während die andere die Militärpflicht auch für Frauen einführen möchte. Sie ist aber definitiv "weniger streng" als in anderen Ländern. Die meisten männlichen Bürger gehen entweder nach dem Gymnasium oder der abgeschlossenen Lehre ins Militär als Art Zwischenjahr. Ein paar meiner Freunde sind sogar sehr gern ins Militär gegangen, weil sie neue Freunde gemacht haben und für ein Jahr den Kopf "abschalten" durften. Sobald man auch Allergien, Diabetes oder eine psychische Erkrankung hat, wird man nicht eingezogen. Ich kenne deswegen auch ein paar, die aufgrund eines falschen Arztzeugnisses sich easy der Pflicht entziehen konnten. Funfact: Im Militär trifft man auf Leute aus der der Deutschschweiz, Westsschweiz (frz.) und Tessin (ital.). Beim Aufeinandertreffen wird dann praktisch immer auf Englisch kommuniziert, obwohl das nicht einmal eine Landessprache der Schweiz ist. Sorry für den langen Vortrag, wollte dich nicht zulabern. ;D

[@SarahZi1998]

Man kann die Schweizer RS auch nicht mit dem Koreanischen Militär Dienst vergleichen. Die Männer in SK müssen 3mal so lang gehen wie die Schweizer und sie können nicht jedes Wochenende Nachhause, Handys sind erst seit wenigen Jahren erlaubt.

[@BrieFee]

@@SarahZi1998 Ja, ich stimme dir da absolut zu. Ich kann nachvollziehen, dass in Korea der Militärdienst auf die Psyche gehen kann. Aber die sind für eine lange Zeit im Dienst, ich finde, dass solche Belästigungen völlig fehl am Platz sind und das Ganze noch unnötig schwerer macht.

[@hpjjreec6456]

@@SarahZi1998 Deutschland ist auch nicht wirklich gut... Man hört ja immer wieder so Sachen die ans Licht kommen, vor allem mit sexueller Belästigung usw... Hab von mehreren Kollegen, die Wehrdienst geleistet haben, gehört, dass die Atmosphäre auch super rassistisch sein soll und ziemlich rechts, Zitat: "Ein Großteil der Bundeswehr besteht aus Nazis"

[@kswillis3854]

I watched DP. Your Q&A was informative, entertaining, and absolutely frightening. Thank you and stay well

[@benedictamensah9510]

As someone who wrk in the military the Hierarchy is serious, infact in all uniform law wrks....it calls OBEY BEFORE COMPLAIN.... so everything is YES SIR.

[@adihaddad]

I think it depends on the army - the IDF is quite different in that sense. There's hierarchy but the Israeli society is non hierarchal whatsoever and it reflects in the IDF. You don't call your commander Sir, you call them by their first name. They are more like brothers/uncles than anything else. Another aspect is that IDF is mostly based on Secular or Moderate religious (Jews, Druze, Muslims) people, so there's no boundaries between men and women in most units (even combating units) - All are serving together side by side (just have different rooms / bathrooms in bases).

[@benedictamensah9510]

@@adihaddad when I say all uniform wrk i mean military, police, fire service, immigration, etc. Well it might be slightly different in ur country but as u said different rooms and washrooms right? If they see all ranks as equal then I dnt see y higher ranks shld hv different rooms and washrooms right, it shld all be the same. The fact tht they dnt say Sir doesn't mean they dnt hv Hierarchy. Other rank or private can't object others given to him or her by an Officer or captain. U hv to do it , whn an officer or rank higher than u pass by u hv to salute, whn a rank higher than u comes to ur office u hv to stand stiff to tlk or till he/she realize u to stand at easy. Etc. So with ur country thr might be slight different but is almost the same.

[@adihaddad]

@@benedictamensah9510 When I said different rooms & bathrooms I meant for women and men, not for officers and non officers. It's very common to have a debate with your commander whatever something makes sense or not to do. No one is standing stiff or even saluting most of the time. Commanders earn their respect by being brave and smart, not because of their rank. Part of the reason behind that was the 1973 war when there was almost no real debate in the army (everyone agreed Israel will not be attacked) and at the end Israel got attacked by surprise and almost lost (which means total destruction). Since then disagreement and challenge is highly encouraged.

[@benedictamensah9510]

@@adihaddad oooo but thr is no way both sex can use the same washroom lol. No matter the Hierarchy tht isn't allowed anywhere my dear.

[@adihaddad]

@@benedictamensah9510 that's exactly what I said... There are different rooms and bathrooms for men and women.

[@divergentdeva]

I'm so grateful that you guys are talking about this. I watched it right when it came out and there was nothing (that I could find) and nobody(that I saw). Talking about this show, unpacking the different elements of it. Haven't even watched your video yet. I'm just really thankful. Very much appreciated.