Korean Swordsmanship: Joseon Martial Arts

[@CYSYS8993]

This could give Ubisoft ideas for an Assassin's Creed set in Joseon.

[@WilliamSwartzendruber]

I would totally play that.

[@kenadrian27]

Would be way better than in Japan

[@elee9056]

for honour man. with koguryo, shilla, and baek-jae in their respective armors. i wanna see THAT. those flower petal like skirt pieces open up during spin moves and you get to see that from top-down 3rd perspective. that would look dope.

[@Rebelcommander6]

I'd play a Screed where you got to meet Yi Sun Sin

[@wannabeshred666]

omg please yes

[@prime4851]

Wanted to learn Korean swordsmanship myself seeing other people and masters being superbly skilled in it

[@nikeimizhongtomasch1880]

Trust me man, its just japanese kendo legacy from Imperial Japan mixed with modern breakdancing. Not suitable for fighting at all.

[@prime4851]

@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 ik lmao

[@goyhlandstar]

You are misunderstanding. This is mixture of Chinese Martial Arts(Wushu) and Joseon Martial Arts. Since The Legacy has been disconnected from age to ages, I figured out this organization are just showing public with Mixed Ones.

[@prime4851]

@@goyhlandstar they’re speaking Korean in the video. I’m Korean myself that’s why I know. Even if that’s the case wherever u heard it it’s false

[@goyhlandstar]

@@prime4851 Really?? I think I must search for more than. Thanks for notifying.

[@johnlloyddy7016]

If my memory serves me right. Arnold Schwarzenegger was trained in this art by a Korean swordmaster for his role in Conan the Barbarian. I recognize the stances and slashing style. It is very distinct in that it relies heavily on wide sweeping footwork for leverage and uses the pivoting leg to torque the hips for speed and power. But keeps the arm relaxed and extended without unecessarily bending the elbows. It looks like a hybrid of Japanese circular footwork combined with Chinese slashing techniques.

[@hwalssogi8063]

If you're right, I dont doubt it since this performance is based off of Korea's manual of weapon martial arts created after it barely survived the Imjin War. This manual was basically the result of combining the military/weapon martial arts of the countries around them along with their own, so I'm sure you'll see a mixture of Chinese and Japanese techniques as well. It especially absorbed a lot of japanese swordsmanship since a lot of Korea's swordsmanship was probably extinguished upon entering the Joseon period of long peace and transition from a militant culture during the Three Kingdoms/Goryeo period to a scholarly one of Joseon, not to mention its warfare was primarily reliant on archery during this time.

[@migg5702]

Im here after binge watching Kingdom Season 2 😍😍 As someone who practices HEMA(European longsword), Id love to learn how to use the Hwando

[@xiadui7209]

Migz Ayuyao High five Kingdom fan👋

[@MacCadalso]

i hope there is a season 3 I'm in love with the series

[@jskoh4662]

Kingdom Gang

[@nikeimizhongtomasch1880]

Dont get too carried away, that's a fantasy drama after all.

[@migg5702]

@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 Oh Im aware of that, The Witcher is one of my favourite shows but even I can nitpick whats wrong with the sword fighting scenes. Still, The Kingdom opened my eyes to this martial art. :)

[@nusashy]

I practice this style , is called IshibSa Ban Muye( 24th traditional martial arts) and is the escence from korean sword

[@junichiroyamashita]

August Hayek if i am not wrong the hangul alphabet was created at the times of Sejong which was much before the 1950

[@Minato_Akiyama03]

It's tricky more then Taekwondo Finale belt lol

[@Katcom111]

​@@junichiroyamashita King Sejong is based. He created Hangul for the lower class and the Confucianist got all upset about it.

[@fareastpride94]

for the most part this is just forms to put on a show for tourists. but there are actual fighting techniques here. they are just blended together and watered down so it resembles more of a dance. korean swordsmanship is just as excellent as everyone elses.

[@adenyang4398]

lupi mali uh, no. Only one of the sword styles in Muyedobotongji is learned/inspired from Japanese swordsmanship. (A style named 왜검, literally meaning "Japanese sword", written by a martial artist named 김체건). Other styles like 本國劍 and 銳刀 are independent sword styles entirely distinct from Japanese swordsmanship.

[@adenyang4398]

> carry swords in unpractical ways No, not at all. People carried/wore swords in similar manners across Qing China with their dao sabres and Meiji-era ~ WW2 Japanese Gunto. Such suspension/belt systems for wearing swords has always been very practical; it enables the horse rider to wield a gun or a bow more comfortably as well as on ground. It's also incredibly comfortable for the swordsman/woman when just going about in their daily lives. Tidon (the suspension system that is supposedly "impractical") also enables swordsman/woman to turn the sword around in a manner so that the hilt is at the front & keep in there (like how a tachi is worn), thus enabling quick sword drawing. > 1 Korean Again, two sword styles (本國劍 and 銳刀) are independent creations apart from Chinese or Japanese military arts/manuals. The method of wielding polearms and long spears (along with dual sabres) are Chinese military arts in origin. 왜검 and it's two man set are Japanese originated/inspired. The rest aren't. > stupid Korean Starting off the argument with an insult, always a good strategy. What my ethnic background is unimportant here.

[@diamondback3150]

@@adenyang4398 Sometimes I wonder where all these "wannabe anti Korean historians" come from. Then again, there are always nationalists in these channels.

[@grimseaweedcake4749]

@@lupimali9504 Hey, I have seen so many comments putting down Korea in stuff like this that I a kinda tired of typing a reply over and over again and so will just copy & paste past points I had made in previous comments I have seen as a reply okay? I would say sorry but I kinda really am not. ---***--- Just because Korean history is less well known doesn't mean that they don't have their own traditional things. Yes, they could be similar to other Asian countries like Japan and China but have you ever searched in google images Japanese, Chinese, Taiwanese, Vietnamese, and Korean weapons? They all have similarities but that doesn't mean that they are all the same. And just because the origin of certain traditional things they have are based on things they have found from other countries (aka. China or Japan) doesn't mean they hadn't incorporated certain aspects of it into their culture with some changes long ago. You saying that Korea is just copying things from other countries is like you saying barbecuing isn't part of American culture cus they got that idea from the Caribbean. Or how cowboys were an idea stolen by Americans from the Spanish? Or maybe how all the other countries stole the idea of cars from Europe? There are many more examples if you want to look. It seems to me that it simply is because of people like you, who either know more and/or like the traditions and cultures of other Asian countries more than others, jump in to defend those countries and villanize the other ones enough to try and justify your bias to yourself. > www.revolvy.com/folder/Traditional-Korean-weapons/239769 Have you ever searched in google images Japanese, Chinese, Taiwanese, Vietnamese, and Korean weapons? They all have similarities to each other but that doesn't mean that they are all the same. And just because the origin of certain traditional things they have are based on things they have found from other countries (aka. China or Japan) doesn't mean they hadn't incorporated certain aspects of it into their culture with some changes long ago. You saying that Korea is just copying things from other countries is like you saying barbecuing isn't part of American culture cus they got that idea from the Caribbean. Or how cowboys were an idea stolen by Americans from the Spanish? Or maybe how all the other countries stole the idea of cars from Europe? There are many more examples if you want to look. > www.revolvy.com/folder/Traditional-Korean-weapons/239769 You do know that karate developed from a fighting style from China right? > www.historyoffighting.com/karate.php Also, you do know the when Japan took over Korea they did many things to enslave them right? Like banning Korean martial arts and only finding it acceptable when the citizens to learn their own martial arts, killing off Korean dog species, forcing the male population to work and/or fight for them, and even kidnapping and raping females as young as 13. So yeah, it really wouldn't be a surprise that there would be "underground" martial arts in Korea. > shibataekwondo.net/a-summary-of-the-history-of-korean-martial-arts-and-taekwondo/ As for the Chinese influence, why are you only angry at Korea for taking that influence into their traditions and culture? Japan did it too, in fact, their writing system came from China. China was like the central powerhouse of Asia, of course, their influence would spread to other countries. Another thing, don't act as if it is only Korea taking influence from Japan. Korea is older than Japan and was a cultural bridge between China and Japan. Korea would adapt and transform Chinese traditions before passing them on to the Japanese. Another thing, during the Japanese invasion in Korea they did steal things, like Korean artisans to introduce their skills to Japan. > www.thoughtco.com/ceramic-wars-hideyoshis-japan-kidnaps-koreans-195725 > www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/2011/08/25/arts/japanese-brothers-who-championed-korean-ceramics/ > www.jstor.org/stable/23719600?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents Also, you make it as if anything that was inspired by anything from another country is copying or stealing even if it was altered and/or integrated into a culture. As well as make it sound as if cultures wouldn't adapt or change in any way when events like a country invading another one occur.

[@SilenMonser]

I really want to see these forms done with a lightsaber prop in the dark/dimly lit area. The movements look smooth and elegant.

[@nattlokja993]

Working on it!

[@jskoh4662]

That's an amazing idea!

[@omikronweapon]

just as a sidenote: they wouldn't just fight like this, on the battlefield. See those racks of other weapons? They made units comprising of several soldiers with different weapons. Think one guy with a sword dancing at you is laughable? Imagine two guys holding you at bay with spears, and the dancing guy is now charging at you with his sword, while you're trying not to get stabbed but the others. I'm guessing you won't be "just for show lol" then. This is a military style. Wars aren't fought by one on one duels. these are DEMOS from the individual styles.

[@hoanglinhle4468]

But... but... there was no war in Korea. They surrendered every time, as soon as they had a change. They even need Ming Dynasty to help them again 1 group of Japanese pirate. :< And i have never know any military style practice those flashy dancing either, except Capoeira. But in Capoeira case, they danced because they didn't want the slave master find out that they are practicing fighting so they using the "dance" as a cover for their practicing, not because they actually dance during the fight.

[@nikeimizhongtomasch1880]

@@hoanglinhle4468 true. Them being confined to that tiny peninsula is a good proof of their historic fighting skills.

[@jskoh4662]

@@hoanglinhle4468 I understand your point of view, but there were major conflicts with Korean people's with other nations. There has been war ever since Korea was originally three kingdoms. Goguryeo was one of them which actually spread quite far into Manchuria, and successfully defended themselves against a major offensive from the Tang dynasty, but of course, that's Goguryeo, not the main Joseon which we are talking about, but Joseon had its fair share of fighting itself. There were a few negotiations between Joseon and Japan, and then there was the Imjin War which spanned for about six years in around 1590, which Joseon and Japan fought each other, but in the end, Japan retreated back to their land due to the lack of progress and the death of Hideyoshi. There was also the first and second Manchu invasion as well, but the aftermath concluded with Manchuria not being able to annex Joseon. I get your assumption though that Joseon barely ever fought because it is true, they are not a very imperialistic country. Thanks for the information about Capoeira though, that's actually really interesting 👍

[@jskoh4662]

@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 Your assumption is understandable since I thought the same thing and questioned my father about why that was so. Historically, "Korea", was a rather big country, but that was before when Joseon was formed, and when there were only three kingdoms. Goguryeo was the biggest which actually spread quite far into Manchuria, and also successfully defended itself from the Tang dynasty. Then there were some negotiations between one of the smaller kingdoms and another Chinese dynasty, some political things, and eventually, the adjacent kingdom invaded Goguryeo and won. After that they won against the Japanese in the Imjin War after six years of fighting, but was invaded by the Manchus afterwards and failed, but was failed to be annexed. Now, this is the reason why I suppose for Korea's very small territory. War was apparently looked down on, and because of so some objectives to invade Manchuria were scrapped, and following that were about 200 years of peace, where Joseon gradually dismantled their military due to the lack of foreign threats, and political influences. Joseon could've been a successful imperialistic country, but because of these factors, they did not. They then continued to try to isolate them selves from the world, while Japan strived to interact with the world and become modernized as the West, Joseon wanted no part and isolated themselves. Therefore once Japan started exercising influence on Joseon, and eventually simply annexed it without much resistance, Joseon's government couldn't do anything but call for help from the Chinese. Once more though, I understand your assumption of why Korea is small

[@daehankang1477]

don't you know about myeongrang war which was korean and japanese war which korean won with only 12 navy ships japan had more than 300 navy ship

[@살기좋은대한민국-q5z]

Why so many Japanese and South east Asian criticize the Joseon swordmanship.. In this Video, it just focussed in Korean traditional sword arts. I can't understand why so many Japanese in this video claimed that there are no Korean own traditional. I studying east asian history in my university in Russia and I learned there are many beautiful tradition in Korea. I wonder why Japanese claimed a story without a logical basis. LET'S BE NICE GUYS

[@lupimali9504]

First of all, just read "The Veritable Records of the Joseon Dynasty (朝鮮王朝實録, 조선왕조실록)" or "Muyedobotongji (武芸図譜通志, 무예도보통지)" so as to examine the reality of Joseon's poor swordsmanship or something.

[@abc-cv7rc]

@@lupimali9504 총 활 잘쏘면 장땡이지 뭐

[@3XODEgaming]

@@lupimali9504 bro why are u crying in comments?? Who cares about you and what ur saying 🤣🤣🤣???

[@lupimali9504]

@@3XODEgaming If you can disprove what I wrote, then you have only to provide some counter-evidence for that, right? If you can't do that, then just zip up your mouth. Understood, you Korean?

[@kziila0244]

Gee, maybe it’s because Japan has a bunch nationalist pricks who literally rewrote historical events to make themselves either victims or blameless paragons. Every country tries to downplay and hide their crimes, but not on the same scale as Japan. …Did I mention how they tried to fake historical records because they wanted justification to keep some of Korea’s islands after WWII? Land thieves.

[@jajakage-jolin-darkdoritang]

나는 왜 한국행사를 외국인채널에서 보고있는가

[@너굴맨-z8c]

나두 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

[@롤로토마시-n7e]

나두~~~~~~~~

[@-----REDACTED-----]

Love the look of that brigandine armour!

[@johnlola9669]

I’m here to get an idea how Choi Han’s swordmanship look like. No wonder it mentioned how beautiful the swordmanship written in the novel, It’s indeed different but beautiful ❤️

[@Riceart]

Lcf readers 🥹

[@lairakuromasu56]

OMG same! I cane here from Trash if the Count's Family too!!!

[@timothyjosephbonilla1108]

@@lairakuromasu56 I'm surprised somebody got the reference considering Korean and Chinese manhuas tend to be lesser known than the Japanese manga.

[@lairakuromasu56]

@@timothyjosephbonilla1108 lol it's because I've been very obsessed with Trash of The Count's from my high school year and is still is now. I'm still re-reading the novel when I have time (I have at least re-read it 5 times) and I have to say, it's one of the best novel I've ever read in my life.

[@TheBachrunlihawa]

Whoaaaa! What's that long sword in 1:55 called? I recently started practicing form of Chinese Miao Dao, which is already a longer sword than a Japanese Katana. To see that Korean sword has something like Nodachi and Miao Dao is so cool!

[@Avicta]

likely the ssangsudo

[@shintaro797]

I practice Japanese swordsmanship in my spare time, but the Koreans technique is flawless. 😃🇰🇷

[@beemo1502]

But for this- your same- reply, the OP was merely complimenting the swordsmanship displayed in this video. He wasn't even making any 'political' statement regarding what the history of ''traditional (Korean) sword martial arts' (as you say) is, i.e. in Korea, compared to in Japan, etc. and you Still had to repeat your same 'copy/paste' 'Korea- hating' comment here to this OP's comment :)

[@samuelyeom7638]

You're right, we did use chinese characters as an early form of writing but most koreans (not all) switched to hangul during the 1400's. I say not all because some of the aristocrats that hagul is too easy But you're also forgetting the fact that japan had also used chinese. The japanese had also used chinese, but the rich had used chinese, letting the women and lower class use chinese. in japanese there are still chinese characters that they just renamed kanji and still use it today, a much less efficient writing system with all that hiragana katakana stuff

[@samuelyeom7638]

you're smart for questioning the authenticity of the book because it's wrritten in hangul. But also know that hangul was in fact created in 1446, so it written in hangul is a small chance. Only a small chance since hangul wasn't commonly used until the 1500's. But of course, when korea had presented the books, it's obvious that they should translate it into hangul since by that time, no one would use hanja(chinese characters). Why would you present a historical book without translating it first? that would be like giving a high schooler in the us the magna carta in old english and expecting it to get an a on a test about it.

[@samuelyeom7638]

.did i stutter? i said that they translated the book

[@samuelyeom7638]

you still didn't answer my question..

[@lmaoasian2518]

Im a filipino and im so impressed to this martial arts, my dream is to travel in korea and to know more their history and culture! Kamsahamnida !

[@RandomUser_online]

mag aral ka ng kali koreaboo

[@malley4934]

GamingWith Ian You obviously don’t know what Koreaboo means lol. Loving the culture does not mean they want to be Korean.

[@josephpark6502]

filippinos also have great martial arts. The twin sword escrima being one of them. Always keep it so that it is not lost

[@fuckgucci]

oli london

[@moefinesse9878]

Buddy Filipino Arnis and Eskrima is top tier for knife fighting. No other art can beat Filipino knife fighting,

[@8888-y8h]

Thanks to Netflix with the korean shows, im into Korean culture & i want to know more about them. After watching this im going back onto Netflix to binge on some more korean historical dramas lol

[@leonardoarrighi5898]

I didn't know there are korean historical dramas on Netflix, which ones would you recommend?

[@malley4934]

LEONARDO ARRIGHI My Country: The New Age. Every episode is an emotional rollercoaster. There’s also Live up to Your Name. The first episode was a bit slow but it gets really good. I also recommend Rookie Historian Goo Hae Ryung :)

[@leonardoarrighi5898]

@@malley4934 thank you very much🙏 After finishing the 1st season of Vagabond, I'll watch them! Right now I saw some online reviews of My Country, it seems to be really nice!

[@alyaabbasi]

@@leonardoarrighi5898 you should watch Kingdom it is a Korean period piece set to be filmed in the Joseon Dynasty with a pop culture twist to it i.e. zombies. The writer said she was reading about the Josseon Dynasty and found a number of 'unexpected deaths' and linked them to zombies. It's really good. Would recommend 10/10.

[@nikeimizhongtomasch1880]

Most of Korean dramas are history fiction though.

[@Jb3rt_133]

1:53 Korean Long sword just reminded me of that finale fantasy character that held that sword.

[@cskim11374]

Did you ever held and try to " swing " a long sword hard as they do without losing balance? I doubt it

[@omikronweapon]

@@cskim11374 What's your point? No-one is claiming they did.

[@cskim11374]

@@omikronweapon that is exact the point...to refrain from making definitive statement belittling things that u dont have a clue, lest u open ur self a verbal fencing from someone like myself..u said u r korean weapon style practioner..so when u respond to me say something artful and knowledgeable..dont dwell on the generality..otherwise i ll have nothing nice to say in return

[@Minato_Akiyama03]

Sword Art Online Imagine you see Korean (Joseon) Koreaboo or actual Korean military player in the frontlines lol.

[@바보Queen]

what is that long sword called..

[@hilee7390]

These show described in Martial Art book of the Joseon dynasty. 0:23 / these short sword name's "Huando"... basically, they almost used by these sword during a battle. In 1592, the Joseon dynastys had invasion from japan army, they overrun to village and capital of the Joseon. but war's maintain and endless, so many japan army became capture or surrendered in battle of the Joseon army, and joined to army reform in the Joseon. therefore long sword's spread to Joseon army, because they got a impression as deeply about the long-sword of nodachi-samurai during that war. After, they actived in fight with rebel army at joseon civil war (李适-亂 1624 year) and even fighted with Manzu Barbarian army (丁卯胡亂 1627 year). Especially, these action gave a psychological fear to enemy, if when they swishing the long sword and cut-down on head or body.

[@nikeimizhongtomasch1880]

The book is Chinese in origin though. Ming forces saved Korea, it was even Admited by Joseon. The Japanese have easily reached the northern part of North Korea and even battled some Jurchens.

[@genus_pinus4641]

This is what I look like when no ones watching and I pretend like I'm some eight pack shredded guy about to take on a 10,000 man Army

[@rayray6490]

Was there a bit of flash added to it? Yeah maybe. But as a Chinese who been to plenty of kung fu tournaments dominated by even more flashy wushu forms, this is pretty refreshing. At least they are striking actual targets in other clips and preserving a semblance of General Qi Ji-guang’s teachings and weaponry.

[@nikeimizhongtomasch1880]

Modern kungfu is fake. It was designed around Peking opera not for fighting. Say thank you to CCP.

[@TheMadisonHang]

god damn, those long swords are no joke.

[@wudangmasterlee8123]

Yep, Japanese long swords were pretty brutal.

[@wudangmasterlee8123]

@@iiiekripsiii4754 ssangsudo? its copy of zhanmadao, which is basically an Odachi.

[@wudangmasterlee8123]

@Stephen Kim man, study some history, Korea can't develop anything original, they can just change the colors and shape a little bit, of Japanese and Chinese things.

[@wudangmasterlee8123]

@Stephen Kim I don't care about Korea, its a tiny country with butthurt people. I just comment on fake videos, especially historic ones. I don't care about any other things Korea does.

[@starorcarina8525]

@@wudangmasterlee8123 wait then why are you here and watching this video if you don't care about Korea?

[@SaifTheKnife]

Amazing. I saw four of them with Sephiroth's sword.

[@nikeimizhongtomasch1880]

Korean martial arts are about as historically accurate as the sephiroth's sword.

[@SaifTheKnife]

@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 😂

[@scottyi88]

yea China and Japan has them too, their know to cut the legs of the horse or at least try to dismount calvary.

[@tucsonmclean5138]

Don't see the double sword as often ....so it's exciting to watch this ... while I learn

[@LF-zk6ih]

Most of wellknown Korean martial arts is made after japanese martial arts after ww2 except korean bows and wrestling. Teakwondo is originated in shotokan karate. All of founder of teakwondo os karate student. Hapkido is mix of aiki jujutsu ,judo and teakwondo kick( shotokan karate kick). There is no historical records on the swordsmanship of Balhae kingdom. Haedong Gumdo’s origin is 1987 made from kenjutsu and hawarangdo has no any real record as martial arts. Tekkyon is just foot stamping game. Kenjitsu and jujutsu is originated in japan. Karate is originated in okinawa and its rooted in china.

[@dandylion3783]

couldnt agree more

[@가나다-p2s9d]

Karate is basically a martial art that does not use kicks. Watch an old karate video at least once. The high kick in karate is taken from savate.

[@조선칼잽이-m7n]

희한한 소리를 열심히도 쓰셨네. "무예도보통지" 검색해서 읽어봐. 그러면 당신의 지식의 깊이를 알게 될거야.

[@rabinespanio5946]

1:38SINAWALI?

[@바보Queen]

2:03 what is the name of the sephiroth sword????? it looks like the long sword in monster hunter

[@RedWolfDrift2000]

Just came to find out the comparisons of how the sword sheath is carried blade up (like the Japanese style) or blade downward?? I noticed they weren’t all the same at times. (Yes I know it’s an entertainment performance show for tourists or whoever)

[@omikronweapon]

I know a little about it, and as far as I'm aware, the sheath is pointed the same as Japanese. It's just that, sometimes they turn it over for some reasons. The first guy in the video, unsheaths cutting edge down, but sheaths cutting face up. I saw it in another korean video, there was some reason for it, but I forget which one. Probably ease, or safety, or perhaps just due to which way the sword ends up facing at that time.

[@kaalimaa6695]

You are all very skilled!! Thank you for sharing!!

[@adenyang4398]

One should avoid broad, sweeping generalizations, especially if that involves directing malice to others. And if you actually paid attention to the overall footwork and movements in the forms they are demonstrating, you would clearly be able to see that they are not mimicking Japanese swordsmanship. They clearly move with different principles and combat philosophies in mind. And what do you mean by "long sword"?

[@yamadataro6266]

Historically there was no long sword like Japanese sword in Korean culture. They had a short sword like 35cm at most in blade size. Of course he is performing as an actor for movie. TaeKondo is the same. Taekwondo is a fake martial-arts mimiking action movie. That's why there is no Taekondo athlete in MMA (UFC) at all. It's just fake one like dance. Everything is fake when it comes to Korean culture and history. And, you said "Don't generalize". You are wrong. Koreans are homogeneous. Almost all Koreans are the same. So you can generalize them unlike other people.

[@adenyang4398]

"Historically there was no long sword like Japanese sword in Korean culture. They had a short sword like 35cm at most in blade size." www.google.com/search?q=%EC%98%81%EB%B9%88%EC%9D%B4+%ED%99%98%EB%8F%84&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi8qPeKxajVAhVCsVQKHQ5mB38Q_AUICigB&biw=1366&bih=662#imgrc=_ The first 4 pictures shows an old Korean sabre that is around 45.5 inches in total length. Considering that Korean sabres tend to have shorter hilts than Katanas (5~10 inches, opposed to 11 inches of most Tsukas) to encourage increased usage of single-handed techniques, the blade would be at minimum 33+ inches. All the other numerous excavated Korean sabres shown in the page also show that long swords existed in Korea - clearly meant for close combat and martial purposes. It's likely true that the early Chosun dynasty sabres were very short, due to them being in a relatively peaceful state. That changed entirely with the Japanese Invasion and the Korean military actually having to engage in melee combat. Swords need sufficient length and stopping power, especially if somebody wants to defend himself using a sword against heavy polearms - which were in vogue in military clashes. www.google.com/search?q=%ED%99%98%EB%8F%84&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjWxvrMwqjVAhUorFQKHWsvCV4Q_AUICigB&biw=1366&bih=662#imgrc=QPNS-9l3wuIInM: - Various blade length types of Korean sabres. "Of course he is performing as an actor for movie.... Taekwondo is a fake martial-arts mimiking action movie. That's why there is no Taekwondo athlete in MMA (UFC) at all. It's just fake one like dance." Since you seem to have so much insight and wisdom in martial arts, I highly recommend to give these mongrels a lesson. Maybe you might help them become enlightened from your holy wisdom, a true gem that will bright the light for the world of martial arts and repel those evil Korean demons away from this wretched world. (SARCASM) "You are wrong. Koreans are homogeneous. Almost all Koreans are the same." Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

[@yamadataro6266]

Aden YANG. Everything you showed is typical fake swords. Just like TaeKondo, which is 100% fake martial-art, Koreans are now eager to spread false history and culture of Japanese sword.We have tons of evidences to prove that.First of all, if you Koreans insist that there was a long sword in Korean culture, then what's the name of the brand? And where does the company still producing the sword today in Korea? None! See? Lie is lie. You can't push 100% fake story. Now, let's take a look at how Koreans people looked like in the old days.ccce.web.fc2.com/si/ttsusin.htmlYou can scroll down to the 2nd picture. Those are Koreans visiting EDO (Tokyo) castle. This picture was drawn around 1800.You can see Samurai are carrying swords whereas Koreans are carrying archeries. No Korean carried a sword because there was no sword culture in Korea at all.And Koreans were rated low class people, so they couldn't enter the castle from the front gate so the picture is dipicting the scene Koreans are entering from the back gate.Every time Koreans try to spread fake sword culture, we bring out the evidence from the past.We also have pictures of Koreans officials. And none of them have a long sword. Do you want to see? Hehe.

[@yamadataro6266]

Actual officials of Koreans. No of them wear swords.lastsword.up.seesaa.net/image/mutiuti1.jpg

[@천지만상]

무예 도보 통지를 복원 한건가? 장도가 신기하다

[@Good_life-u4m]

장도는 주로 지휘용으로 쓴다고 하던데..

[@신준섭-l7y]

@@Good_life-u4m 쌍수도가 정식 명칭이구요. 쌍수도는 실제 장병기로 분류된 진법용 무기가 맞아요. 임진왜란때 일본의 오오다치, 노다치라고 하는 장검에 군혹을 치룬 이후에 이에 착안하여 조선에서도 동호인을 가미해서 만들어낸 무기라고 알고 있습니다.

[@LECityLECLEC]

Throwing the sword up and catching it...wow great job!

[@wudangmasterlee8123]

K-Drama arts.

[@R3DSHlFT]

Hollywood needs to take a look at this

[@watermydriedupsoul]

Their Battlestyle is great for mobbing, wide, round, sweeping attacks. Large AOE. The Japanese Battlestyle on the otherhand, would be great for 1 vs 1 pvp or solo bossfights. With their quick and nimble strikes.

[@dandylion3783]

such a showy and wasteful move as this makes sense only in these mere performance for entertaining tourists, or else, sword-fighting scene of some wuxia movies.

[@shinci8562]

Joseon preferred artillery, bow, arrow, and rocket arrow over sword, so it seems that one-on-one combat methods did not develop like Japan. But I'm interested in Korean swordsmanship. It is very beautiful. Especially when they rotate, the clothes are also very beautiful. I agree with you. And it's a very beautiful sword art.

[@Simon-dc2gr]

You see it right sir. Japanese swordmanship is mainly focused on duel (as large-scale battle is mostly dealt by a massed Ashigaru formation), and Korean swordmanship is focused on the massed, chaotic close-quarter combat if every other long-ranged means fail.

[@Simon-dc2gr]

@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 This movement is wasteful, telegraphic, slow, and costs a lot of stamina Because this is a sword dance performance inspired by the basic forms recorded in a swordmanship training manual. Can't you hear the music going around?

[@az-6262]

@@Simon-dc2gr the chinese that were involved in the conflict had bullet proof shields, guns, defensive cannons, heavier cavalry and them and the koreans out numbered the japanese, the koreans also had superrior naval tech and admiral yi sun sin which cost the japanese major supply chains and troop transpo. The japanese used bows, guns, spears, nagamaki, nodachi, and all the power of friendship, oh yeah they also did use pike formations similar to pike and shot tactics

[@tenhirankei]

@0:45 Is he a swordsman or a drum majorette?

[@l.l.3728]

These guys are awesome!! I love this video!! Thanks for sharing.

[@samuelyeom7638]

Well, so Koreans a long time ago were pretty much shit in war and stuff because Confucian ideas made war really unpopular. So when They were invaded by Japan and the Mongols, they had to have weapons and stuff. So what do they do? They see China and basically copy off the weapons and the fighting styles by sending people to view the army. So Korean weapons were basically Chinese weapons. The Chinese weapons as you probably know varied a lot, including spears, swords, etc. On particular weapon was the Dandao, which looks like sa very long version of a katana. So the long swords you see there were copied off of the dandao

[@yamadataro6266]

To Smuel Yeom. You are 100% wrong. Koreans didn't have any long sword in history. What they had was archery. In Japanese old paints (documents), Korean people visited Edo (Tokyo) castle was depicted. All Koreans were carrying archeries but not sword. Sword has no relation to Korean culture at all. There was no head to head fighting style in Korean culture but shooting arrows from a long distance. So there was no martial arts in Korean culture and history. China and Japan have martial-arts but only Korea has no martial-arts. So you always have to seperate Korea from the rest of all Asia. Korea didn't have much of culture.

[@samuelyeom7638]

www.samuelhawley.com/haengju12.jpg

[@yamadataro6266]

To Samuel Yeom. If there was a long sword culture in Korea, then they have to have the heritage of old swords as records but there is none. Not even one exists.

[@samuelyeom7638]

Didn't I just say that they took Chinese weapons..?

[@akademiawesomearchery]

awesome!

[@bangisamu6851]

A I'm here after watching the drama Six Flying Dragons for the second time, and I'm curious if the sword style in the drama is the same as the original style? And it turns out it's pretty much the same 😊

[@MeRen_Kichu777]

Nodachi katana? I think because of the war during the 1500s

[@lupimali9504]

More likely this sword is the similar one which the Koreans emulated Chinese general Qi Ji Guang (戚繼光)'s adoption of ōdachi (大太刀). greatmingmilitary.blogspot.com/2015/04/chang-dao.html

[@pst5345]

I wished I could have understood the lady. The choreography was dranatic and all but you have seen that in many acts, movies etc. The comments of the speaker hold the interesting bits I guess. Beautiful demonstration, though. I want to learn more about the Korean weapon arts.

[@TheStellarmanCo.]

What is the name of the Garments they are wearing???

[@TheStellarmanCo.]

Yes I would Looove to get ahold of these garments very beautiful. Where can I purchase please?

[@2728-y2n]

kind of like dragon armor

[@2728-y2n]

that armor can block arrow

[@aqua1258]

My grand father owns one and it is worth roughly $10,000. Mainly because it's from the joseon era

[@nathanjangs]

Those are scale armor. Mainly worn by officers or specialist unit, as the common infantry wear leather armor with armor plates or iron studs

[@LudoKuipers]

Apart from these videos I now have almost 1000 photos of Korea - mainly its history and culture - on my website, ozoutback.com.au/Korea/

[@Haywood2]

I notice the sword is there difference between the japanese katana and the korean sword?

[@lifeseeker9777]

Korean swords are called "Hwan-do". It means a curved sword with one edge. They are slightly straight and short than katanas. The swordplays are different, too. The Korean is a mixture of piercing and slashing while the Japanese based on slashing.

[@stigeinarjakobsen2358]

Hi Ludo. do you study gyung-dang ?

[@LudoKuipers]

No, sorry, I don't even know what that is! Only visited and took photos and videos.

[@stigeinarjakobsen2358]

I see. the guys on the video are doing gyung-dang :)

[@뿔따구-o8i]

몸으로 전승되지 못한 옛 무술을 책만으로 이렇게 재현해 낸 여러분들의 노력에 경의를 보냅니다.

[@Ki7suneGF]

Anyone knows the name of the huge sword in minute 2:45 ?

[@lupimali9504]

These huge swords are copy of Chinese "Miaodao," which is a copy of Japanese sword (Wo-Dao). Historically, Koreans had hardly ever used such kind of long and heavy sword like Japanese "Odachi (i.e.huge sword)" in actual fight, for their main weapons had been bows and arrows since ancient times till quite recently. ・Miaodao (苗刀; literaly: "sprout saber") en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miaodao ・Wo-Dao (倭刀; literally: "Japanese sword") en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wodao

[@Ki7suneGF]

​@@lupimali9504 Thanks for the reply. Indeed, I did some research and it seems to come from adopted captured models from Chinese Manchu, from what little I could recover. They call them Korean Ssangsudo Sword. Your links and wisdom are greatly appreciated!

[@Delight970]

Hello, Sir. I'm a writer of a KZbin channel that reports positive responses from overseas related to Korea. It's called "미처 몰랐던 이야기" May I ask your permission to use this video as a reference? If you allow it we will use 3~4mins of your video, and will introduce your channel name, and put the direct link on a fixed reply. I'm looking forward to your positive response. Thanks. :)

[@starorcarina8525]

That Giant Sword Part tho What's it called

[@lupimali9504]

just copy and paste the following letters, and google it yourself: ー> Chang Dao (長刀) Great Ming Military

[@starorcarina8525]

@@lupimali9504 nevermind I found it, it's called a Hyeopdo

[@TheMadisonHang]

i'm reminded of persia for some reason i can recall some connections there

[@mahdi9047]

kook sool won?

[@AA-wd2or]

Is these movie studio

[@Ace-dy2ee]

Those freaking long sword will seriously f u up in a war with swords enemies and allies alike

[@moonchild933]

I'm really confused listening to the announcer in the background 😂 I thought I was hearing things when I suddenly heard her speaking in Japanese. Then only I realize she spoke in Korean, English and Japanese to translate to the visitors. Lol

[@dominusmilans5478]

This is as amazing as Tenshin Ryu Hyoho Not disappointed

[@dominusmilans5478]

@@lupimali9504 what?

[@Judicial78]

Where can I go to fight these guys?

[@nikeimizhongtomasch1880]

They dont really fight...just dance and cut Japanese tatami mats.

[@nusashy]

Go to Korea

[@nusashy]

@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 really? Hahaha poor ignorant

[@nikeimizhongtomasch1880]

@@nusashy what? You think they are fighters? Common...ninja turtles are on, go watch some TV.

[@nusashy]

@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 stupid boy I prácticr this style My Master is Korean and actually is group exhibition chief and we make sparring sesión ,look boy are You from Usa right? Go at see a movie please and let the adults talk

[@candidob8683]

It would be much more helpful to know what specific styles or schools of Swordsmanship are being shown. I can tell this is NOT Gumdo as that is more sport oriented like Japanese Kendo. What I do see is a lot of Haidong Gumdo, which is battlefield oriented in the same vein as Japanese Kenjitsu is. However, there are portions that I am not familiar with here. If anyone can clarify it would be appreciated.

[@nathanjangs]

Well back during the days of Joseon. The style of sword that the Joseon soldier had wasn't what we see in this video, as they mainly used broadsword as far back during the days of Gojoseon. The Japanese katana was first introduced during the warring period between the three Korean kingdom via Japanese Waku Pirate, however the Japanese katana wasn't copied after the imjin war..when there are thousands of katana from the dead Japanese soldiers.

[@nathanjangs]

@@lupimali9504 That is true, however, Korea made their own fighting style in response to foreign invaders coming from the North as it is the only possible land route to Korea. But, Korea did develop their own naval cannon in contrast to the Military in China and Japan, thus giving them a more modern navy than the two warring country.

[@diamondback3150]

@@lupimali9504 I wouldn't say they didn't have any "swordsmanship". They did, but generally they weren't in a form of schools. Koreans didn't write or depict their martial arts. So when scholars say or write "Koreans did not have swordsmanship (also mentioned in the Muyedobotongji) they mean is they don't have formal schools or any martial arts recorded in books. Hence Muyeshinbo and later Muyedobotongji became among the firsts of Korean martial arts to have actual schools and books of techniques to pass on in the 16-17th centuries (similar-ish time as HEMA). Swordsmanship prior to all of this was master to student based like any other country, except no books. Especially so in the Joseon Dynasty where military "arts" declined and recreational arts exploded.

[@diamondback3150]

​@@lupimali9504 Yup I have read it and I have the translated books of Muyedobotongji and Muyejebo. However, you just defeated your credibility by using a conspiracy site Ninja Fraud. I've also noticed you've picked out some information to create a selection bias of information. The author is semi well known in Asian academic circles as a youtuber and blogger Japanese nationalist. So "something seems to feed your vanity. As Koreans have had very few martial arts of your very own, you have thus far managed to find something which can be the boast of you. Occasionally, you went so far as to make up some "origin." It's not something to feed a person's vanity, what you are doing is insulting and demeaning another culture. Historical European Martial Arts have many cultures using similar or adopting techniques or weapons from each other particularly from Spain, Germany, and Italy among few. However the Japanese are always quick to demean other cultures for their "inferiority and jealousy of Japanese swordsmanship". What's wrong with adopting? The muyedobotongji clearly calls it a Japanese sword. The Koreans saw the effectiveness in Imjin War so they picked it up. The Koreans realized the need to change their military. And hence they've adopted Chinese and Japanese martial systems combined with a couple of their own. Nobody is denying that? Why single out the Bonguk Geom? Even the origins of a katana is just as dubious? Nobody in HEMA circles knows the origin of a longsword. "something seems to feed your vanity. As Koreans have had very few martial arts of your very own, you have thus far managed to find something which can be the boast of you. Occasionally, you went so far as to make up some "origin." - That's classic Japanese over the top nationalistic bias. Bashing Koreans, when they themselves don't have a clear origin story of their own martial systems. But nobody focuses there and tosses the conspiracy spotlight at Korea. If you haven't noticed by now, I'm an American so hurling Korean insults are pointless. FYI, even Koreans know that Haidong Gumdo is fraudulent hence it's dying in Korea. Also nobody claims that Taekwondo is an ancient Korean martial art. You have a long way to go for research. Maybe look in sources other than conspiracy blogs. There are numerous professors and researchers that have REAL books.

[@Katcom111]

@@diamondback3150 The techniques they were doing in the video are based on Muye Dobo Tongji which was written based on Chinese martial arts manuals of that time, such as 紀效新書 (Ji Xiao Xin Shu) by General Qi Ji-Guang, 武備志 (Wu Bei Zhi) by Mao Yuan-Yi, 少林棍法闡宗 Shaolin Staff manual by Cheng Zong You. Cheng Zong You not only knew Shaolin staff but also learned swordsmanship from Liu Yun Feng. The Ming Dynasty Chinese shared their fighting and military knowledge with the Koreans.

[@LIONTAMER3D]

I was just thinking, we need a Soul Calibur that's at least as fast as Soul Calibur 2

[@thefool876]

Its look like whirling dervishes techniques

[@Minato_Akiyama03]

I just watched SAO anime and it gave me thhis recommendation like how?

[@frangrasyanturanshah1827]

How do they know they moves? Where do they take basal data to reenact this stuff? Do they have some ancient comic books with detailed description of every spin and move?

[@cskim11374]

No we had Samsung camcorders then...yes we had martial books (bones) and later Korean imagination to add meat...I have news for u, there is what we call imagination and creativity....

[@이창민-y1w]

@@cskim11374 There is it. Try search 무예도보통지(www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/memory-of-the-world/register/full-list-of-registered-heritage/registered-heritage-page-2/comprehensive-illustrated-manual-of-martial-arts/ on google. It is north korean UNESCO WORLD HERITAGE, made during Joseon dynasty

[@김영선-x4t7h]

Breaking News: China Claims Korean Sword Art as Its Own

[@lupimali9504]

Joseon Wang-jo Sillok (朝鮮王朝實録, 조선왕조실록)" says as follows: "Swordsmanship can not be learned so easily, but it is a good thing that the sword arts will be transmitted to our country by learning it from the soldiers of auxiliary troops of Ming." (June 11, 1480) In fact, "Muyedobotongji (武芸図譜通志, 무예도보통지)" says, 我國練兵之制三軍練于郊，衛士練于禁苑，其禁苑練兵盛自 光廟朝，然止弓矢一技而已，如槍劍法技，既未之聞焉，宣廟既平倭寇，購得戚繼光紀效新書遣訓局郎韓嶠遍質東來將士，就其棍棒等六技作為圖譜. 우리나라 군대 훈련 제도는 삼군(三軍)은 교외에서, 위사(衛士)는 금원(禁苑)에서 훈련을 받도록 되어 있는데, 금원에서의 훈련은 광묘(光廟) 때부터 성행했다. 그러나 훈련이라는 게 활 쏘는 것 한 가지뿐 기타 창이나 칼 다루는 방법 같은 것은 없었다. 선묘(宣廟)께서 왜구를 평정하고 나서 척계광(戚繼光)이 쓴 《기효신서》를 구매하고 훈국(訓局)의 낭관 한교(韓嶠)를 보내 우리나라에 온 중국 장사(將士)들을 두루 찾아다니면서 곤봉(棍棒) 등 여섯 가지 기예 다루는 방법을 알아 오게 하여 그것을 《도보(圖譜)》로 만드셨다. (In the military training system of our country, the three troops (三軍) are scheduled to do their exercise in the suburbs, while the royal guards in Jin-wan (禁苑, lit. 'the forbidden gardens'). The latter, among others, had been frequently done since the period of Gwanghae-gun's rein. However, no other military exercises than shooting arrows were done. We did not have any military exercises to practice the skill of swords, spears, or other weapons. King Seonjo (宣祖, 선조) dispatched Han-gyo(韓嶠, 한교) for the renowned Chinese military manual "Jin Xiao Shin Shu (紀効新書)" shortly after the king suppressed Waegu (倭冠, lit.'Japanese pirates'). After that, the king ordered him to learn Chinese martial arts. Consequently, Han-gyo mastered 6 kinds of martial arts including polearm-fighting from various Chinese military officers who stayed there at the time. Thus, this illustrated manual (i.e."Muyedobotongji") was compiled.)

[@ちゃーちゃー-l5u]

これは武芸書付という韓国の李氏朝鮮の剣術で金体乾が日本の剣術を朝鮮にもってきて創始したものです。独自は中国ではなく日本でありこれは韓国の学者も周知の事実です。忘れないように。

[@육킹-z4w]

@@lupimali9504 there were already standardized sword art in late goryeo...

[@lupimali9504]

@@육킹-z4w "Muyedobotongji (武芸図譜通志, 무예도보통지)" says at the beginning as follows: ・“The military training for the soldiers in Joseon is only bows and arrows, and I have never heard that such martial arts as swords or spears are adopted for military exercises." (然止弓矢一技而已如槍劍法技 既未之聞焉). ・"Considering that our land is unevenly located in the sea, it is natural that only bows and arrows have still remained in our country since ancient times. Although our troops are provided with both swords and spears now, we do not have any methodology to learn how to use those. Cavalrymen on horseback hold spears in their hands in arena, but (they are unable to use them because) any military methods to use those spears have not been succeeded. This is the reason why these weapons had been abandoned long time ago. ... All this happened because any military exercises for using swords and spears have not been passed down in our country."(惟我 国家偏處，海外從古所傳只有弓矢一技，至於劒槍，則徒有其器，顧無習用之法，馬上一槍雖用於試場, 而其法亦未詳備．故劒槍之 棄器久矣.･･･ 皆由於習法之不傳故也) 우리나라는 해외에 치우쳐 있어 예로부터 전해오는 것은 弓矢의 한 기예만 있었고 검과 창에 대해서는 그 무기만 있고 원래 習用하는 방법이 없었다. 馬上槍 하나만이 과거시험의 試場에서 사용되었지만 그 법도 상세히 갖춰지지 않았으므로 검과 창이 버리진 무기가 된 것이 오래되었다. 그러므로 왜적과 대진할 적에 왜적이 갑자기 죽음을 무릅쓰고 돌진하면 우리 군사는 비록창을 들고 칼을 차고 있더라도 검을 칼집에서 뺄 겨를이 없었고 창도 창날을부딪칠 수 없어 속수무책으로 흉악한 칼날에 모두 꺾였으니, 이는 모두 창과검에 대한 수련법이 전해지 않았기 때문이다. Similarly, "The Joseon Wang-jo Sillok (朝鮮王朝實録, 조선왕조실록)" says like this: ・"Military orders of our country is not very strict and easily violated, so our soldiers have run away before they are to fight with their enemy face-to face. Therefore, it is natural that sword skills should have very little to do with any military strategies of our troops." (September 29, 1628) ・"Each soldier of our troops knows little of sword arts, and very few will wear swords in recent times." (September 29, 1628)

[@육킹-z4w]

@@lupimali9504 제작법의 차이가 있음. 사철로 만든 왜검은 특유의 제작법 때문에 가운데에 물결무늬가 있었고 환도는 없었음. 왜검이 고려말때 전래된것은 맞으나 조선초기에는 완전히 사장된 무기임. 조선에서는 몇몇 기병편제들을 제외하고 대부분 활을 주무장으로 썼고 환도를 부무장으로 썼는데 오랜 평화에 물든 나머지 그 짧은 환도마저 활쏘기 불편하다며 더 줄였음. 그래서 기존에는 편곤, 장창, 삼지창, 환도, 활 ++ 의 무기체제를 썼으나 임진왜란을 겪은후 일본도에 영향을 받아 기존의 환도를 대폭 개량했고(길이가 엄청 길어짐) 중국에서 언월도를 수입해와서 축소해서 월도를 만듬. 무슨 다 어디 어느나라서 베꼈다가 아니라 그냥 기존의 무기에 영향준거임. 니가 말한 역사서에 쓰인건은 널리 보급된게 아니라 쓰는 사람들만 쓰던거였고 그것도 임진왜란 이후에 많이 썼음. 환도와 일본도는 명백히 그 주조법부터 다른검임.

[@liamcrowwardartist4745]

Little Big Wolf Brother and Big Little Dragon Brother, nicknames of the two fictitious ancestors from the rewrites of my novels

[@anakindonissa]

Wooow joseon soldiers had long swords to fight with

[@monkeyishi]

the first guys cuts had poor edge alinement.

[@skykim2476]

what's the name of this sword pattern, i wanna learn in when I'm black

[@colinrhee98]

god all these stupid comments OFC this is overexaggerated its a PERFORMANCE for tourists

[@ThingThatWeCanSee]

As a Korean., actually i agree with japan has more big cutural as sword fighting. And Korea has more like a aim stuff likes bow

[@elvararchfeld9734]

0:27 the butterfly

[@clutchingdaggerz359]

Nice costumes, but do they spar in protective equipment with non cooperating opponents ? Or do they just dance around ? Looks a bit like bullshido to me.

[@nusashy]

Yes we makeit ,do you want tryit?I show you,we práctice for live no for a sport thats not " bullshido" be carefully with your mouth

[@KBKim-jt6uj]

They are demonstrators of 'Comprehensive Illustrated Manual of Martial arts'(무예도보통지, 武藝圖譜通志). kinda ancient martial art book for soldiers.

[@omikronweapon]

it's a DEMO dude? wtf do you want? Would you go see a martial arts competition and be complaining that they didn't finish eachother off? no.

[@itsTHEFIREDOG]

its a demo you dork lol

[@Love-x2t]

Why not wushu

[@dandylion3783]

korean "sib pal gi 십팔기" or smtng is no more than a degraded copy of "18 military skills 十八般武艺". actually, koreans just followed wushu together with these chinese weapons seen in this vid.

[@Love-x2t]

@@dandylion3783 why traditional clothes Ming chinese dynasty same Korean?

[@dandylion3783]

@@Love-x2t "history of goryeo" 高麗史 巻第百三十七 (고려사권 137권): "joseon dynasty shall adopt the era name of hongwu of ming 洪武帝, wear ming attires and its headgears. Joseon is to ban the clothes in hu style 胡服" 復行洪武年號，襲大明衣冠, 禁胡服 (부행홍무년호 습대명의복 금호복)

[@dandylion3783]

@@Love-x2t "the true record of the joseon dynasty" gojong, vol.36 朝鮮王朝實錄 高宗 卷第三十六 (고종실록 고종 36권): "our territories used to be the land of han and tang in ancient times. both the official clothing code and cultural products conformed to the ones of song 宋. the social systems along with our governance system are to be adopted to the ones of ming 明. it is rightful and legal to inherit the true name of china and its culture" 我邦疆土, 係是漢, 唐古地, 衣冠文物, 悉遵宋, 明遺制, 接其統, 而襲其號, 無所不可. (우리나라의 강토는 한(漢) 나라와 당(唐) 나라의 옛 땅에 붙어있고 의관(衣冠)과 문물(文物)은 다 송(宋) 나라나 명(明). 나라의 옛 제도를 따르고 있으니, 그 계통을 잇고 그 칭호를 그대로 쓴들 안 될 것이 없습니다)

[@Love-x2t]

@@dandylion3783 i know this combination chinese japan

[@jwgoon]

Didn't the Korean army get badly hammered by the forces of Toyotomi Hideyoshi in the late 16th century? As I recall my history lessons, the Korean warriors didn't fare too well against the spears, swords and muskets of the Japanese samurai. The reason why the Japanese didn't conquer the whole of the Joseon kingdom was because the koreans were far superior at sea than the Japanese.

[@nikeimizhongtomasch1880]

Badly hammered is an understatement...it was pure rape mate.

[@AtlanSumerian]

Yes, I agree you. But Chosun was very brutal dynasty, I am a Korean but I don't like Chosun much.

[@김동환-i5z6f]

the japanese were supreior on land and koreans were supireor at sea ok?

[@mrbonzzai]

Imjin war was pretty complex. On the Korean side, there was a lot of petty infighting and politicking and ineptitude in the royal court and military that led to huge failures on land. The losses on land had more to do with the ineptitude of the higher ups. On the sea, general Lee Sun Shin completed dominated even despite being arrested by his political enemies during the war.

[@hanashin8534]

Well, I admit that Japan is better at swordsmanship than Korea, but I don't know what that has to do with this video. Isn't the theme of this video a confrontation between traditional Japanese swordsmanship and traditional Korean swordsmanship? And the reason Japan prevailed in the Imjin War was not because of their swordsmanship, but because of their new weapon, the rifle. Later, Korea cultivated a rifle unit in regret of the Imjin War, but there was no war in Korea for about 300 years.Returning to the story of the rifle (except for the invasion of China), the powerful troops in the north returned to combat the Japanese, but they were defeated by the new weapon, the rifle, even though they were always fought against the horsemen in the north. All of these are due to guns. From a historical point of view. In the maritime battle, where the actual rifle was not available, the Korean army was very dominant (Korean hero Admiral Yi Sun-shin noticed the limitations of the rifle and did not engage in close combat). In the end, the Japanese military was hit hard.(The Battle of Myeongnyang, where 12 Korean ships and 133 Japanese ships fought and the Korean army won, is famous.)

[@anas-432]

I wonder did japan get the katana design from korea or the other way around?

[@lupimali9504]

Some might had been brought to Japan VIA the Korean Peninsula from imperial China. However, more likely Japan directly brought a tribute, or traded with each Chinese dynasty. Just take a look at the sea route of a Japanese envoy to Sui/Tang dynasty, for instance. www.ancient.eu/article/1085/ancient-japanese--chinese-relations/ At any rate, Japan originally followed the sword design of Asian continent including ancient China, I guess. japan-forward.com/the-changes-in-the-shape-of-the-japanese-sword/

[@ChromeMan04]

@@lupimali9504 no Japanese sword design is based of old jomon swords

[@shinci8562]

The sword of Korea was influenced by Mongolia. Until the Three Kingdoms Period and the early Goryeo Period, a straight sword called "Hwandudae" was used or a regular straight sword was used, and the historical document of "King Chungnyeol" in the 1277s, when Mongol influence was strong, states that it was called "Goryeosa." 'Hwando' is a Korean-style sword now. There are many differences between Hwando and a catana, which does not have a unique 'yokote' and is shorter and lighter in length. The tip of the sword also curves more naturally. In addition, the method of fixing the sword is called 'tiedonggi', which is also called 'pado' and 'yodo' because it is worn on the waist using ring and straps. It has the advantage of being able to rotate 360 degrees because it is fixed using a string, and it is convenient because it is light and short even if you wear it. Of course, there is a disadvantage of using both hands to pull out the sword, but it was not such a big disadvantage in ancient Korea, where people rode horses and shot arrows. Rather, the light and short one was easy to carry around. It was fixed using a band-aid, so it was very easy to ride a horse, and it was convenient to sit down and get up. In addition, it is very common for Hwando to have a pentagonal shape on its cross section. Triangular and hexagonal shapes also exist, but they are not commonly used. In addition, threads were hung from the handle of the sword, and gold was embossed from the blade. Since Japan and Korea are close together, it is assumed that they exchanged a lot with each other. But I don't know whether Japan influenced Korea or Korea influenced Japan. However, I know that Korea was also influenced by Mongolia. Maybe Japan is like that, too.

[@trex1448]

Eh. They influenced each other constantly back and forth. The single edged blade with curve no curve existed in China, Korea Japan but after Japanese invasion the single blade definitely became more popular but not the same curve and thickness.

[@trex1448]

​@ChromeMan04 no Japanese swords are not based on Jomom sworda. Thats the stupidest thing Ive heard. Japan learned balcksmithing from Korean artisans and their most direct influence was feom China and Korea.

[@hmuphilly9129]

why does the koreans use the japanese katana?well it looks like a katana

[@shinci8562]

Um, it looks like a Japanese Katana, but it's not Katana. It is called the Hwando. Hwando has been used since the Goryeo Dynasty. In the 1200s, a historical book called "Goryeosa" states that King Chungnyeol, the king of Goryeo, ordered the creation of Hwando. It was made under the influence of the Mongolian sword. It's similar to Japanese sword, but it's not Japanese sword. Perhaps the reason why you think of Japan while looking at Hwando is because Japan is more famous than Hwando. To tell you the difference between Hwando and Japan, Hwando does not have a "yokote," a major feature of Japanese swords. Because it has a different production method from Japan. It is also shorter and lighter than Japan because Korea has preferred bows and arrows to swords since ancient times. According to actual records, soldiers in the Joseon Dynasty wore armor, wore two gakgungs (bow), had about 20 arrows, and Hwando. Hwando was shorter and lighter because it had to be light to carry and not disturb when using bows and arrows. In addition, pentagons are most commonly found on cross sections of it, while cross sections of the Katana represent hexagons. This is called Bae Hyung-do. Of course, it are often found with triangular and hexagonal sections, but they are not commonly used. When Joseon people accidentally obtained Japanese one, it is said that the blades were sharpened into pentagons.(성호사설) In addition, the exchange rate is different from that of Japan. The method of fixing Hwando is called 'tidon maegi'. The roundabout has metal rings or straps, which are used to secure to the waistline. When the sword is fixed using a "bandon-maegi," the handle of the sword faces the back and the sword's grip faces forward, which is convenient for sitting or walking.

[@hmuphilly9129]

@@shinci8562 so did the samurai back in ancient times and also the yari spear but the katana, hwando share similarities

[@bleee1]

Rulling classes of the Japan are ancient Korean.

[@dandylion3783]

@@bleee1 www.ilbe.com/view/11326762501?page=2&listStyle=list lol ... if "Ruling classes of the Japan are ancient Korean", then why had both baekje and shilla frequently dispatched their envoys to japan? 隋書 東夷伝 第81巻列伝46 (the book of sui, vol. 81, liezhuan 46) says, 新羅百濟皆以倭為大國 多珍物並敬仰之 恒通使往來 (隋書) "baekje together with shilla admired WA 倭 as a great nation with a plenty of things rare and precious. therefore, they would often send their envoys to WA respectively." if japan had belonged to baekje, then why did the last king of baekje, king giji (義慈王), made prince buyeo pung (扶余豊璋) and king zenko（善光王) stay in japan as their "hostages" needless to say, baekje was desperate to require military assist of japan. further, not only baekje, but also shilla had been subjugated to WA. "the portraits of periodical offering (梁職貢図)" found in 2011 says like this: 斯羅國，本東夷辰韓之小國也. 魏時曰新羅，宋時曰斯羅，其實一也. 或屬韓或屬倭，國王不能自通使聘. "salo/shila (斯羅) was originally a tiny state located in jinhan (辰韓, 진한), dongyi (東夷). this state was called shilla during the time of Wei (魏), or called salo in the reign of the song dynasty (宋朝). these two states were identical. king of this state could not dispatch his envoys to anywhere at his own will. it is because this state belonged to Han (韓) in one period, but was subordinate to WA in another."

[@corporalkang-in-chan7926]

Korea has many good soldiers who are skilled. But why can't protect Queen Min from assassination from the Japanese Ninja Swordsmen ?

[@wudangmasterlee8123]

Koreans soldiers were weak and scattered at the first sight of samurai, check out Joseon annals.

[@lupimali9504]

Koreans' timidity is traditional. Just read the description written by Hendrick Hamel in the following site: www.hendrick-hamel.henny-savenije.pe.kr/holland12.htm ・Indeed, "The Veritable Records of the Joseon Dynasty (朝鮮王朝實録, 조선왕조실록)" says as follows: "Military orders of our country is not very strict and easily violated, so our soldiers have fled at their own before they fight with their enemy face-to-face. Therefore, it is natural that sword skills should have very little to do with any military strategies of our troops." (September 29, 1628) ・Incidentally, Claude-Charles Dallet maintains that "Korean army is extremely weak on the whole. They will never think of anything but run away from the battle field throwing their weapons to the ground under a risky situation." (The History of the Church of Korea (or "Histoire de l'Église de Corée"), p.269) ・Similarly, "A Note of Caution about Korean Soldiers" (issued by Head Quarter of the Japanese Korean Army, 1904-1945) says, "Koreans have a bad habit to cry aloud like "Aigo (아이고)" under a risky situation casting their guns aside. Therefore, one Korean soldier always needs to be accompanied by two Japanese soldiers in action." ・Matthew B. Ridgway, too, argues in his book ("The Korean War") that "The US Army had to be always concerned about the South Korean troops. It is just because the Korean soldiers had easily run away whenever the Chinese army advanced to make an attack on them." Thus, the Koreans are really cowardly though they are so arrogant and so haughty in peacetime.

[@3XODEgaming]

@@wudangmasterlee8123 lol don’t fprget the turtleship deadass

[@wudangmasterlee8123]

@@3XODEgaming turtle ships lol. Koreans act like they won the war thanks to those ships rather than Chinese army support in the land war. Almost entire Korean land was under Japanese control at that point.

[@3XODEgaming]

@@wudangmasterlee8123 damn what a shame to be proud that Japanese took the control of Korea.. it’s like being proud of Nazism .. stupid

[@charliewhite578]

Could Musashi have studdied this?

[@tonarsilverwolf6485]

nah don`t think so just because he lived in Japan and not korea. There is no evidence on Musashi traveling to korea.

[@charliewhite578]

Tonar Silverwolf your right, but it is very possible that someone from Korea came to japan?

[@tonarsilverwolf6485]

Well it could be but I have a feeling that Musashi had (sorry for weebish term) a vegeta compex and was very proud about his heriytage and therefore didn't want tp learn korean swordsmanship but all this is just my own speculation

[@charliewhite578]

This is not really the case with swordsmen, we are a humble lot and love to learn new things. It is very easy to see this through his philosophy, have you read it before?

[@tonarsilverwolf6485]

I am afraid I haven't

[@xeow-1844]

All the double wielding looks like it's copied from Kali. Especially at 1:34, it's actually a Kali Weave called Sinawali, I don't think that's Korean. That's Filipino.

[@beepot2764]

xEow - it is close to heaven 6 but adapted for bladed weapons. It's a pattern seen in many martial arts but kali/eskrima/arnis are by far the most popular dual wielding sports. The sinawali isn't really a move, it means weave and it puts everything you learn together in a free flow. It's most useful as a practice drill because you need to attack and block at the same time with your partner so no one gets hurt. Hope that was informative and not condescending in any way ✌️

[@xeow-1844]

> it is close to heaven 6 but adapted for bladed weapons Bladed or not, Kali applies to everything and every weapon. Any practitioner can employ these skills with using even a pen or a ruler. >The sinawali isn't really a move, it means weave and it puts everything you learn together in a free flow. Contradictory. That means it's a move then? >It's a pattern seen in many martial arts but kali/eskrima/arnis are by far the most popular dual wielding sports They're not even that popular, Chinese martial arts are far more popular. That's because it's too deadly to train or use them as something recreational. Mostly only soldiers and professional fighters learn FMA.

[@beepot2764]

xEow - whatever you say, I didn't realize I was talking to an expert. Have a good one.

[@beepot2764]

xEow - whatever you say, I didn't realize I was talking to an expert. Have a good one.

[@xeow-1844]

Benja Freeman Nah. Chinese martial arts are cool because they are made to be cool. But unlike them, FMA is a practical martial art where you don't need special effects for it to look cool. Soldiers use it, and they don't have to look cool when fighting, they just end up looking cool because of how effective the martial art is. You see it in movies all the time such as Bruce Lee or the Bourne movies. I'm pretty sure FMA is a unique martial art, you can't say that the Koreans did it first when all they know is how to spin a sword but not apply or make it practical with their martial art moves. That's literally the only dual sword move that they know. However in Kali/Escrima, half of the martial art is about dual wielding, whether it's with your fists, sticks, knives, swords, ropes, etc.

[@MangKepweng-o5h]

May dalawang dayuhang dumayo dito sa Kulturang pinapapanood ng Korea at sila ay sumali at nag unipormeng Koreano. Sinabi ng isang dayuhan: " Marami tayong maiuuwi na galing sa bansang ito." Nagdagdag ng sinabi ang pangalawang dayuhan: "Hindi na kailangan mang uwi pa, dahil teritoryo na natin ito." Samsung Hyundai Kia

[@arturkarpinski164]

They did rival the Samurai!!!!

[@nikeimizhongtomasch1880]

No lol

[@BJHhoho]

​@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880keep fantasizing weeb

[@lupimali9504]

*2. As for swordsmanship:* A Korean military officer Kim Che-gong (金体乾) frequented the Japan House (倭館) for the purpose of acquiring Japanese sword arts, and attended the Joseon missions to Japan (in 1682) in order to master various sorts of the Japanese authentic swordsmanship such as 土由流, 運光流, 千柳流 or 柳彼流. Chapter of "The Japanese Sword Arts (倭劍譜)" along with "The Training Exercises for Actual Fighting (対戦譜)" included in both "Muyesinbo (武藝新譜,)" and "Muyedobotongji" is said to be chiefly based on his experience at the time. Incidentally, Baek Dongsu is reported to have developed a passion for martial arts in his early days. It is recorded that Baek Dongsu earnestly learned sword arts under Kim Kwang-taik (金光澤), whose father was this Kim Che-gong. Thus, Baek Dongsu owed a lot to both Chinese military manual under the strong influence of Japanese sword arts, and Japanese swordsmanship itself, directly or indirectly. In a word, thanks to "the Chinese training methodology together with Japanese sword arts," he could somehow earn his place in history.

[@Katcom111]

Y'all came here because of that zombie show Kingdom

[@TheMadisonHang]

i didn't know the prince of persia, went to korea!

[@VNSnake1999]

Bro be spinning like he was Geralt of Rivia. Beyblade swordsmanship. :))))))))

[@P.ilhaformosatherium]

They look like a Hwando

[@dongf2618]

This is not a re-enactment. This is a Koreation used to fascinate the tourists.

[@이창민-y1w]

@Nob the Knave There moves are based on 무예도보통지 www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/memory-of-the-world/register/full-list-of-registered-heritage/registered-heritage-page-2/comprehensive-illustrated-manual-of-martial-arts/, Unesco world heritage made in Joseon dynasty.

[@shine-kb3vc]

That style swordsmanship were better for guarding castle and fort or as a bodyguard of highest officer.

[@truck6859]

I'm no expert, but a lot of these moves seem similar to samurai swordsmanship.

[@nikeimizhongtomasch1880]

Koreans were "inspired" by Japanese culture to say the least lol.

[@arajoaina]

All swordsmanship went to Japan from Korean Kingdom of Baekje

[@nikeimizhongtomasch1880]

@@arajoaina that's a lie and you know it. Japanese swordsmanship looks too different and used different blades. Korea was always a bootleg copy of China.

[@luhar0202]

@@nikeimizhongtomasch1880 actually it is true. I agree with most Korean stuffs inspired from Chinese but also Japanese stuffs mostly came from BaekJae(Korea) too. Japanese were just tribal stage when Korean and Chinese are all civilized.

[@dandylion3783]

@@luhar0202 some of cultural products, knowledge, and various advanced technologies of china, might have been introduced to japan through the korean peninsula (including paekche). parkche eagerly learned each chinese dynastyーthe analects of cofucius 論語, hanja 漢字, architecture, dress, law, social system, etc. these were learned by paekche, which introduced these to ancient japan. in a word, paekche had been a mere "intermediator" between china n japan. however, its also true that ancient japan had DITECTLY interacted with imperial china such as sui 隋 or tang 唐 through the direct sea route. the nautical chart which shows relationship between ancient japans n chinese main land is its evidence. ↓ www.ancient.eu/article/1085/ancient-japanese--chinese-relations/

[@tabinekoman]

I do not understand why there are lot of spinning moves.

[@nikeimizhongtomasch1880]

Because they didnt know what to invent to seem different for marketing reasons.

[@dragonprince4159]

I want your shoes haha and costumes

[@m3felonia145]

Long sword is very dangerous in real war at b.c

[@MangKepweng-o5h]

Hugis ng Mata lang any naipreserba ng Sokor ngayong modernong mga taon. Malaki Ang pagbabago nila ngayon.

[@조선칼잽이-m7n]

it's me! 😊 0:03

[@KingofKpop]

The 3rd sword technique is Japanese technique

[@cskim11374]

Korean emperor is correct. Traditional Korea sword was shorter than Japanese. Korean learned hard way short sword is at disadvantage during Japanese invasion in mid 1500. Korean carried shorter sword beause Korean preferred bow and arrow, and shorter sword is more useful and convenient on horseback. But during the Japanese invasion, the muskets that Japanese had were more effective over bows, rendering Korean cavalry obsolete and "Katana" better than the shorter sword Korean carried. Probably the one Korean option again Katana was two swords technique ( another option could be carrying shief but against well armoured opponent it is better use two offensive/defensive weapon than one offensive and a defensive weapons) but this technique much harder to the retraining, requiring additional training..while Katana carrying Japaneses already had years of combat training and readiness during decades of war of it unification war that immediately preceded it's invasion of korea

[@lupimali9504]

As I stated before in another comment of mine, Joseon tried to follow both the Chinese swordsmanship and the Japanese ones somehow. A Korean military officer Kim Che-gong (金体乾), among others, earnestly learned the swordsmanship of Japan. On top of this, even Hwarangs' sword dance might be introduced from ancient Japan to Shilla. In fact, the author of "Bonguk Gum/Geom (本國剣)" (included in "Muyeshinbo (武藝新譜)") infers that the sword skill/dance of Shilla was supposedly transmitted from Japan. He says as follows: "There were thousands of Hwarang (花郎) who had been loyal and diligent. Shilla and WA are adjacent to each other, so the sword dance must have been transferred." (花郞徒衆嘗數千人, 相與勉礪忠信, 且新羅隣於倭國則其舞劍器, 必有相傳之術 ... (卷之三, 本國劍 (增) (俗稱新劍)) Additionally, Shilla had been subjugated to ancient Japan called WA (倭) at a time in the past. "The Portraits of Periodical Offering (梁職貢図)" found in 2011 says, "Salo/Shila (斯羅/新羅) was originally a tiny state locted in Jinhan (辰韓, 진한), Dongyi (東夷). This state was called Shilla during the time of Wei (魏), or called Salo in the reign of the Song dynasty (宋朝). These two states were identical. King of this state could not dispatch his envoys to anywhere at his own. It is because this state belonged to Han (韓) in one period, but was subordinate to WA in another." (斯羅國，本東夷辰韓之小國也. 魏時曰新羅，宋時曰斯羅， 其實一也. 或屬韓或屬倭，國王不能自通使聘.)

[@3XODEgaming]

Lol no

[@lupimali9504]

@@3XODEgaming OK. I'm waiting for your rebutment to my utterance. Just make a comment of yours for that if you can.

[@SI-ln6tc]

Isn't hwarangdo just court entertainers?

[@nikeimizhongtomasch1880]

@@SI-ln6tc hwarang were rich boys who finished elite "university", where they learned writing, reading, dancing, swordsmanship, etc. Only some hwarang pursued military careers, most of them became government officials. When captured in war they were used as prostitutes though.

[@strider4life696]

Something's missing. *Plays Horangi Arirang from Soul Blade* Ahh, better 😎

[@sumyoshi]

Dance.

[@kojirohyuga_19]

kenjutsu or this, which is better?

[@Tycini1]

hema

[@omikronweapon]

There's no "better" or "best" or "GOAT" martial art. If you have to ask, you're missing the point. It's down to the skill of the person to win over another person.

[@nikeimizhongtomasch1880]

Well historically during Imjin wars 1 samurai could eat 5 of the guys shown in this video. So take a guess.

[@MJ-tg6wb]

0:58

[@Slycarlo]

Assassins Creed during IMJIN war

[@bathysphere1070]

It seems to me that the style here is somewhere between that typical of China and that typical of Japan. Very interesting.

[@가나다-p2s9d]

Chinese swordsmanship was completely destroyed during the Cultural Revolution. No one knows anything about Chinese swordsmanship.

[@헌달-x5h]

where is the hanzo

[@alpenmountains]

Sword ballerina

[@cskim11374]

And you cannot even do dance with your kitchen knife..lol

[@omikronweapon]

@@cskim11374 are you just here to attack random comments? And before you even start: I actually AM a martial artist in korean weapon styles, so keep your "you never even tried it lol" to yourself. You act like these people are making fun of the video, but they're not. All you're doing is making an ass of yourself, attacking people who like the video.

[@cskim11374]

@@omikronweapon ur reply is long on assertion and short on bases..which part of my randome attacks are without justification and a base? What korean weapon style r u talking about? Enlighten me...

[@nikeimizhongtomasch1880]

@@cskim11374 all korean weapons are just Chinese and Japanese bootlegs. Tell me about a unique korean weapon or culture. Enlighten me.

[@cskim11374]

Ok..i am korean..we learn how to bow and arrow from Japanese hunter gathers..lol

[@killyark]

환도는 너무 짧고 쌍수도는 지나치게 길고...

[@eln5343]

That was impractical to say the least.

[@diamondback3150]

@Harry Fishnuts No I see where he is coming from. Particularly with the shorter swords, the martial artists spin a lot. I'd say the spinning is ok when dual wielding Ssang geom and the Ssansoodo (nodachi) since they have the length or enough protection to get away from spinning. However with swords as short as katanas, I have a hard time imagining being able to protect yourself spinning away or to your opponents. If there is one thing I learned from HEMA spinning is dangerous unless your weapon is long (polearms/greatsword).

[@diamondback3150]

@Harry Fishnuts Tool? Then offer some insight instead of whining. But you cant because you don't know anything about swordsmanship. I run my own club. And I'm not rubbing my ego on to anyone. Do you run your own club?

[@cskim11374]

Impractocal? I don't think u Kno swords...sure there were a few flourishes for entertaing purpose...but I did saw legit moves 98 %...I think we often imagine a duel when it come to sword ship...unsteady or a mass chaotics hand to hand "combat." No train fundamentals; use whatever exigent to survive in a hell of battle. So time for measures footateps and beautiful cut...no need for a clean cut n kill in a battle, do enough to slow or immobilize. Foes will bleed or shock to death.

[@NoOne-qn2hv]

@Harry Fishnuts He's a tool when you're the one flinging insults at people for having a different opinion?

[@omikronweapon]

I'll offer some "insight", although I'd call it "common sense". OF COURSE this is played up. In battle you're not gonna be spinning all the time and throwing your sword in the air to catch it. That should be obvious to anyone watching. This is a show, to illustrate their skill level. It shows how well they know their weapons and how trained they are physically. It's also more beautiful to look at than regular fighting moves. So it spreads the korean arts among the tourist. I can't believe I have to explain these concepts to a bunch of 10 year olds.. If a guy can do all this with his sword, only a fool would challenge him in battle.

[@ColdNapalm42]

This is not how you use swords...at all. They are dancing not fighting.

[@diamondback3150]

dance is a way to practice swordsmanship. Even in historical european martials arts, you can see the application of dancing into footwork. Some works depict them as well but I don't exactly remember which material it was (i think one of the Italians.) Don't look down on dancing in martial arts, they really help with footwork.

[@ColdNapalm42]

@@diamondback3150 no..no it really isn't. Dancing is to be ascetically pleasing. Swordsmanship is to be an efficient killer. Yes that is what swords are for. Don't mix the two up.

[@diamondback3150]

​@@ColdNapalm42 Um excuse me have you ever practiced swordsmanship? I've done HEMA for years and there are rapier and other swords that depict dancing as a way of training. Footwork is more important than the techniques themselves. And dancing does help achieve it since dancing is nothing but footwork. Rapier, sidesword, broadsword all have sources depicting dance as a way to practice footwork. If you never full contact sparred with swords, then take my word for it. True, dancing is to be aesthetically pleasing. But even martial arts were born from them too; Capoeira.

[@ColdNapalm42]

@@diamondback3150 yes I do HEMA. I have some reservations about if you do if you can't tell the difference between a dance...which is what this is...and a real martial arts exhibition. You could potentially glean insights for martial arts from dancing...just like you can from pretty much anything. But this is fraking dancing.

[@diamondback3150]

@@ColdNapalm42 This is a performance, not fighting nor is it a dance; they're patterns. A Demonstration. All the techniques are there. I have the source book called Muyedobotongji which is what this is. I have my doubts on the shorter swords because spinning is dangerous and they spin a lot. However spinning is OK if 1. you are dual wielding 2. Have a long weapon (greatsword/polearms). "This is not how you use swords at all". Unlike in the west, Asians have been using swords not only to for killing but also for entertainment, dance. And sometimes the two are mixed together. The oldest martial arts in the world, Kalaripayattu, also is "dance like". War fans among other weapons were used in similar fashion. Capoeira from Brazil is a dance martial art and is a great martial art. Just because it looks like a "dance" doesn't mean it's ineffective. They help with footwork immensely and help alleviate the fighters" mental block moments. Martial arts that incorporate dance-like features or patterns are done in a way to create fluid/seamless fighting. In a way, it functions like shadow boxing. However, nothing beats experience and that is why HEMA fighters are generally better swordsmen because we spar full contact all the time. But there aren't any such safety in Asian martial arts. That's why PATTERNS are created; to safely teach the application of technique whilst improving footwork and flow.