Traditional Korean weapons: Joseon Martial Arts

[@brandonfarfan1978]

This vid was interesting to watch. Thank you.

[@TheFoolsArcana]

What impresses me is the presenter's ability to go from speaking Korean, to English, and then Japanese pretty seamlessly. A minor thing amidst the cool weapons, but still, catches me off guard.

[@wkmtsteven3857]

Yooo that was dope

[@youngmouxri]

People who assert most of Korean weapons originated from China are pretty accurate because we had to import / apply efficient weapons in order to protect borders of Korean peninsula. Especially Ming Dynasty's weapons were extremely useful against nomadic tribes :) So don't try to fight each other guys

[@user-kk9ll1si1f]

Most weapons in the world originated in China. However Korea made better bows and cannons than China

[@skyereave9454]

@@user-kk9ll1si1f I dont know about most weapons in the world, but definitely in east Asia. Pretty cool if you ask me

[@종합지식저장소]

No. korean weapons made by themselves and it was very useful. your saying is joseon dynasty weapons. you have missed something. Horse martial arts are the key. This usually determined the fighting power of East Asia. So, in Korea, bows were developed, and horseback martial arts were considered important. Infantry weapons were developed by China, while the rest were developed by ancient Korea and nomadic peoples.

[@ArmoredPapercup24]

@@user-kk9ll1si1f there's no european long sword in ancient China

[@ArmoredPapercup24]

@@jannguerrero Sure, but the same exact sword that have crossguard was not in Ancient China. They just didn't need it cause as you say, there was equivalant. But equivalant is equivalant, not same thing that works in same exact system or martial arts. Simply say, german longsword techniques and Chinese martial arts are not the same and have different roots. So not every weapon did not originated from china, and that's what I meant.

[@김범준-y1l]

당파는그리스신화에도등장하죠

[@starorcarina8525]

If only they used this for practical applications, imagine if there was a small unit specialized in Melee Weapons in every country people that are trained in these martial arts.

[@rock_ok]

in the modern era. maybe *NO* it might be possible in the future where robots do the job humans have to train a lot and robots just need data to be a master

[@dandylion3783]

star orcarina joseon martial arts were mere degraded copies of the ones of ming. further, military manual itself used in joseon, "muyedobotongji 武藝圖譜通志", was a dead copy of mings one, that is, "jin xiao shin shu 紀效新書". indeed, "muyedobotongji" makes clear of it like this: 國練兵之制三軍練于郊，衛士練于禁苑，其禁苑練兵盛自 光廟朝，然止弓矢一技而已，如槍劍法技，既未之聞焉，宣廟既平倭寇，購得戚繼光紀效新書遣訓局郎韓嶠遍質東來將士，就其棍棒等六技作為 圖譜. (in our military training system, 3 troops 三軍 are trained in suburb, eji 衛士 is trained in kin'en 禁苑, and their training in kin'en has been held very often. however the martial art that was practiced by joseon soldiers was only archery. neither the skill of spear nor sword arts was practiced there. after japanese invasion, king sonjo 宣祖 ordered to buy a chinese martial art book "jin xiao shin shu 紀效新書". king sent hankyo 韩嶠 to make him learn the 6 kinds of art included gunbang 棍棒 from military officers of ming, and made this illustrated book.)

[@alexa_depphil7542]

Are they like a Hwarang warriors in korea?

[@wudangmasterlee8123]

No, Hwarang were not warriors, just a social class. Some Hwarang became military leaders, other became bureaucrats, politicians, artists, etc.

[@ibrahimo6075]

@@wudangmasterlee8123 Hwarang were elite military organization and became more like social things after Silla unified Korean peninsula which means end of huge and long war... OMG.. this guy is spreading shits everywhere, know nothing about it .. like your wudang Master does..

[@whisperer1705]

​@@wudangmasterlee8123Hwarang is a youth military organization recognized by the king.

[@dandylion3783]

@@whisperer1705 with very few exceptions, hwarang had not served on active duty in the war. the history of the hwarang was not widely known until after "the national liberation day of korea (광복절)" in 1945, after which the hwarang became elevated to a symbolic importance. although some historians of korea insist that the hwarang played an important role in the battlefield, very few of them joined an army. the actual word used in the historical record is hwanang (not "hwarang"), meaning "flower girls 花娘". this suggests that the hwarang were not originally military in character, as the wonhwa 源花 were not soldiers in a fundamental way

[@종합지식저장소]

China should no longer say everything in the world is its own. China has been subjected to a powerful ancient Korean empire and a nomadic nation empire. However, now that China is strong, it is distorting history.

[@mikitadou]

What?

[@dandylion3783]

u koreans misunderstand that the proto samhan 三韩 (byeonhan 弁韩, jinhan 辰韩, and mahan 马韩/bohan 慕韩) were somehow related to the subsequent three kingdoms. however, thats not the fact. especially, these states or regions by the name of 韩 r not relevant to modern south korea "韩"国 at all. similarly, the name of "joseon/chosun" used in both wiman joseon 卫氏朝鲜 and gija joseon 箕子朝鲜 is not associated with yi joseon dynasty 李氏朝鲜 or north korea 北朝鲜 in modern times. (existence of dangun joseon 檀君朝鲜 is absurdly dubious.) to be short, present day koreans have nothing to do with "gojoseon 古朝鲜" at all.

[@erichwang7193]

@@dandylion3783 what???

[@Dalavine]

Didn't you know China has always been strong, the center of the world, the most perfect and wonderful, and certainly the only truly civilized civilization to ever exist? Social credit score just jumped 1,000,000 points... for all lies!! China is the opposite of everything I said. China is the most barbaric modern civilization responsible for some of the worst crimes against humanity. China sucks, they can have their social credit, I hate them. When I refer to China I am of course referring to the CCP, not the people of China. Their will matters not at all in the face of such overwhelming evil control that is the CCP.

[@wudangmasterlee8123]

Hilarious, Korean culture is just a bootleg version of Chinese culture. If Korea would have been so powerful, it would be the other way around. Just look at yourself, you eat with chopsticks, have 70% lexicon from Chinese, and a Bagua + Taiji symbol on your flag. Chill out my boy.

[@tweetalig]

@RosaRyu...Please look for the history of the Muye Dobo Tongji. This is from Qi Jiguang's book. Though the techniques in the Korean Muye Dobo Tongji are exactly the same as the ones originally in General Qi's book, "Ji Xiao Xin Shu", the Koreans added a form so that soldiers or martial artists can link up the various stances together for practice. This is from the Ming Dynasty and should add more clarity as to why the weapons and martial arts seen here are from China and not Korea. Still great in its Korean, these arts are Chinese.

[@wudangmasterlee8123]

Yes this is Chinese Jixiao Xinshu

[@haiyangao9159]

Qi jiguangs mandarin duck formation

[@DucaTech]

Yes, this was used against Japanese Wokou pirates. Although, the Wakou later became more Chinese than Japanese in the latter 16th century.

[@davidbarnwell_virtual_clas6729]

How traditional are these weapons? Are these the actual weapons skills practiced by Koreans of that period? If so, how do we know that they are?

[@dandylion3783]

joseon martial arts, together with various melee weapons, were mere degraded copies of the ones of the ming dynasty. further, military manual itself used in joseon, "muyedobotongji 武藝圖譜通志", was a dead copy of mings one, that is, "jin xiao shin shu 紀效新書". indeed, "muyedobotongji" makes clear of it like this: 國練兵之制三軍練于郊，衛士練于禁苑，其禁苑練兵盛自 光廟朝，然止弓矢一技而已，如槍劍法技，既未之聞焉，宣廟既平倭寇，購得戚繼光紀效新書遣訓局郎韓嶠遍質東來將士，就其棍棒等六技作為 圖譜. (in our military training system, 3 troops 三軍 are trained in suburb, while eji 衛士 is trained in kin'en 禁苑, and their training in kin'en has been held very often. however, the martial art that was practiced by joseon soldiers was only archery. neither the skill of spears nor sword arts was practiced there. after japanese invasion, king sonjo 宣祖 ordered to buy a chinese martial art book "jin xiao shin shu 紀效新書". king sent hankyo 韩嶠 to make him learn the 6 kinds of art included gunbang 棍棒 from military officers of ming, and made this illustrated book.) thus, korean "sib pal gi 십팔기" is no more than a copy of "18 military skills 十八般武艺". actually, koreans just followed both these chinese weapons and martial arts. having said that, korean/joseon soldiers kept using only archery in the battlefield after all, and got away in haste when they had run short of their arrows.

[@davidbarnwell_virtual_clas6729]

@@dandylion3783 interesting. They don't sound like very good soldiers though. In fact, they sound pretty weird. You'd think that sword or spear arts would naturally develop even for war among themselves. It's natural to want to stab someone else with something. Happens in incidents of violence all the time. I imagine it'd feel anticlimactic to just run home after your arrows ran out. Also, wouldn't the other guys who had spears, swords AND arrows want to close with them? Without swords and spears arts wouldn't they just have a constant record of losing in war?

[@dandylion3783]

​@@davidbarnwell_virtual_clas6729 well, u can find several citations concerning this issue which another guy had quoted in his comments here on youtube. for instance ... ・"the joseon wang-jo sillok (朝鮮王朝實録, 조선왕조실록)"： "military orders of our country is not very strict and easily violated, so our soldiers have run away on their own before they are to fight with their enemy squarely. therefore, it is natural that sword skills should have very little to do with any military strategies of our troops." (september 29, 1628) "each soldier of our troops (vainly) knows little of sword arts, and very few will wear swords in recent times." (september 29, 1628) "the skills of sword and spear have not been passed down since long ago in our country. accordingly, very few can judge whose performance is proper or not in the examination of the skill of swords and spears." (january 4, 1596) ・"muyedobotongji (武芸図譜通志, 무예도보통지)"： “the military training for the soldiers in joseon is only bows and arrows, and i have never heard that such martial arts as swords or spears are adopted for military exercises." (然止弓矢一技而已如槍劍法技 既未之聞焉). "only bows and arrows have still remained since ancient times. although our troops are provided with both swords and spears now, we do not have any methodology to learn how to use those. cavalrymen on horseback hold spears in their hands in arena, but they are unable to use them because any military methods to use those spears have not been succeeded. this is the reason why these weapons had been abandoned long time ago." 『武藝圖譜通志』「巻首」「技藝質疑」四丁表 (惟我　国家偏處，海外)從古所傳只有弓矢一技，至於劒槍，則徒有其器，顧無習用之法. 馬上一槍雖用於試場　而其法亦未詳備. 故劒槍之爲棄器久矣.)

[@dandylion3783]

@@davidbarnwell_virtual_clas6729 additionally, even in more recent years, swords were not usual weapons for joseon soldiers on the whole. in a word, swords were mere ornaments to show the authority of ppl of higher rank. above all, decent swords were hardly ever made in joseon. ・ernst j. oppert, in this regard, states in his book like this: “common soldiers hardly ever wear swords. only officers and mandarins of higher rank are armed with such of japanese make, but they are all old and rusty. it is more likely that these also were brought into the country by the japanese, and were left behind on their withdrawal."- “a forbidden land: voyages to the corea” ・also, philipp franz von siebold puts it as follows: "joseon's industrial technology seems to have a long way to go to catch up with those of their neighboring countries such as china and japan. technology of woodworking here, among others, is absolutely less advanced, and the feature of their potteries looks terrible. their iron wares, especially swords along with other knives, are of very low value." ー"nippon. archiv zur beschreibung von japan und dessen neben- und schutzländern"

[@davidbarnwell_virtual_clas6729]

@@dandylion3783 Wow, they sound like terrible soldiers. But what was the reason for that? They seem to suggest that they DID have spear arts and sword arts at one time? What made them lose all their skills?

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Goodness the music is bloody annoying...other than that thanks for sharing the video!

[@신은경-q1l]

ssi1991 that is big excuse this is our traditional song

[@georgehunter2813]

The MUZAK soundtrack matches the action and style of presentation perfectly.

[@jinshiksung]

주력이 포졸 인데 졸라

[@chermin5943]

포졸은 당시의 경찰과같은 역활이였다 무식한놈아

[@asd-qp4yi]

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[@haiyangao9159]

Almost all of these weapons originated from china, especially the Lang xian,the tree spear

[@georgehunter2813]

Haiyan Gao. The trident spear was especially effective response to the invading Japanese katana sword. A basically trained soldier with a trident spear could negate a samuria sword attack by confronting from a long shafted distance. Soldier captures the katana in the three bladed spear tip after checking the opponent's charging attack. It was the transfer of weapons technology between allies in history.

[@user-kk9ll1si1f]

@@georgehunter2813 I wonder if Italians and Greeks go around in French and British military videos that their armor and sowrds originated in Rome and Greece

[@georgehunter2813]

@@user-kk9ll1si1f Agree with your point, but in Asia China is literally 'the biggest and oldest kid on the block.' Tends to lay claim on everything wrong or right. In historical times Japan invaded Korea, and China came into help Korea to prevent any possibilty of a Japanese advance to Chinese borders. So China brought troops and weapons to the Koreans. Allies.

[@user-kk9ll1si1f]

@@georgehunter2813 Thats in the 16th century. When Tang dynasty also suffered from the rise of Qi Dynasty, which was an uprising by former Goguryeo refugees and general, Silla sent 20,000 men to Shandong to help quell the rebellion. When Russia destroyed Qing armies in Manchuria with muskets, Korea sent skilled gunners and defeated the Russians. But if course Chinese only bring up cases where China help Korea. Korguryeo kingdom had cataphracts before the Chinese, where full body of horse and rider were in iron armor. The Gaya confederacy in Korea invented iron plate armor in East Asia, before the Chinese. Korean bows shot farther and was still lighter than Chinese bows. Korean multiple rocket artillery Hwacha shot farther and more accurately than any chinese rockets. Korean 2 stage rockets flew 1 km, better than Chinese. During the Imjin war, Korean warships were bigger and carried more cannon and stronger than Chinese. Korea had gliders that dropped bombs on the enemy. First attack aircraft in the world. But its always China china china. To western people Asians look the same, so they are too lazy to differentiate between China and Korea, when they take extreme detail to distinguish between Poland and Hungary, Germany and Austria, Ireland and Britain, Portugal and Spain. Apparently British, French, and German knights are different but Korean and Chinese warriors are the same? There are only 3 frigging nations in East Asia, huge land and Westerners only see China and Japan. Tiny continent of Europe has dozens of nations, and they care about them all. They only care about Japan because Japan bombed pearl harbor. If Korea bombed Pearl harbor westerners would know more about the Hwarang order than they do now. If westerners cared enough they will see the differences in Asia too. But chinese always say everything come from China. I dont see chinese going on Napoleon war videos and claim gunpower came from china, so Brithsh congreve rockets and French cannon copied China. China only pick on Korea because Korea is divided in half and they think Korea is weak enough to pick on. China never pick on Japan even though until 1800s, Japan was always behind Korea. China wants to anmext North Korean territory so their government encourages historical justification for appropriating Korean history and culture. You have to approach chinese historical claims with this in mind. History should be objective, but when a communist country has an interest in using it for political purposes, it loses objectivity

[@georgehunter2813]

@@user-kk9ll1si1f I know of the Korean naval power and their advanced naval designs. Your are right about Korea being lost in the background with China and Japan there more prominent in the mind of the westerners. Korea is a significant nation in its own right and has been historically underated on the stage of nations. Korea is the true heart and center of Asia I am certain. Korea is the central cultural repository of East Asia. Korea has a unique type of national integraty that the more prominent nations in the area lack. Korea has always been a responsible player and has helped put things back to order in China when China was weak. This is one example of the Korean integraty I speak of. The other nations are almost always only self-seeking. It is their weakness. Tang, Silla and Korgrueo rebels is another topic. If Korea were one single nation the Chinese and Japanese would be nervous.

[@LudoKuipers]

Apart from these videos I now have almost 1000 photos of Korea - mainly its history and culture - on my website, ozoutback.com.au/Korea/

[@DucaTech]

I'm glad the Koreans retained the Ming culture. The Chinese themselves have lost their own culture during Mao's purge, and even the last Chinese Imperial Dynasty (the Qing) had that weird Peking Pineapple hairdo. After Manchu conquest, the Ming culture was pretty much destroyed.

[@jackyong1401]

朝鲜王朝是明朝的忠实粉丝这些朝鲜武士手中的兵器基本上在明代《武备志》等兵书中都可以找到，而旗帜和铠甲等则在《大明会典》里面可以找到

[@tweetalig]

These arts were passed to the Koreans from the Chinese.

[@gy-sr9tw]

What is Chinese? Manchus and Mongolian's cultures are also Chinese? Invaded by many minor ethnic groups and those ethnic groups culture became China's history. So everything is Chinese? You guys' ethnic backgrounds are so confusing to me sometimes.

[@tweetalig]

My degree is in East Asian studies and I've been to most of the East Asian countries. If you research the Tang Dynasty you'll find out how far the Chinese reach extended. Trade between China, Korea, and Japan allowed for a lot of adopting and adaptations of many things "Chinese." It isn't a matter of opinion but rather the facts that have been left in Korea and Japan over the last 800 years or so.

[@gy-sr9tw]

tweetalig​ What about the mongols influence on Korean? Around Goryeo era, royals and upper classes were influenced by mongols and wore Yuan dynasty's style. And Goryeo style was trend in Yuan till Ming dynasty. What about Cheongsam? Isn't that Manchu clothes from the beginning? You know what I mean? You say it's Chinese but it's from different ethnic groups. That's why it's really confusing to me if you say everything is from Chinese. Like the OfficialMINIm above wrote. Countries influenced each other.

[@tweetalig]

Oh! I agree with you. I didn't mean for you to think that I was discounting the other cultures influences. My initial comment was meant solely for the fighting arts seen here. But you're right about the Mongols. The Chinese borrowed the high boots, the Chang pao( cheongsam), the horse cutting knife, and mounted archery from the Mongols. The Chinese were just the most influential are farthest reaching.

[@jiaqicheng1816]

rosa ryu well， we have qing dynasty ，and its similiar to manchus ，the spear ，everyplace use it ， but then the wooden stick ， shaolin monk uses it ，the blade on spear ， its also in 3kingdom ，guanyu uses it ，the long spear w/ many small stick ，its used to in a army called 戚家军against japan samuri ，its called 狼宪 n its good cuz it has many extra stick ， and they put arrow head on the stick ， its all used in china before。

[@wudangmasterlee8123]

This is Chinese Jixiao Xinshu...Korean my ass.

[@nicholasjonas2505]

Bro they're neigbors. Its almost like people steal shit from neighboring countrys

[@wudangmasterlee8123]

@@nicholasjonas2505 When its so obvious its kinda sad.

[@nicholasjonas2505]

@@wudangmasterlee8123 i guess international trade and sharing ideas is sad now

[@wudangmasterlee8123]

@@nicholasjonas2505 Not trade, its like if I would purchase a product from you, and then claim that I have made it by myself lol.

[@wudangmasterlee8123]

@@ORCINUS yeah, well according to Koreans everything is their original. Including the modern Japanese culture that they actively copy.