Kosen Judo

[@225jay7]

I'ma bjj purple belt who just recently started judo ... I remember starting judo simply because I got tired of pulling guard and pluss my takedowns sucked ... Any how I looked up some places and ended up finding a really good school.. i actually didn't really know much about judo I didn't even know there was different styles etc..... Fast forward I go for my first day , and I remember saying to myself ," wait,..wtf this is jiu jitsu" ... So,,, oblivious to the ground work that was being done I asked my sensei why were the students rolling ... He said this is kosen judo and he went on to explain to me everything ... I stood there in shock of what was going on because I was seeing everything from moves & techniques that resembled bjj ...not gonna lie I figured when I rolled I would butcher these guys because there ground game wouldn't be up to par like mine because of my bjj back ground .... Well , I got my ass handed to me! , I remember thinking no way so I rolled a few more times I did decent with one guy but the other guys gave me hell with constant pressure , strong ass gorilla grips , and aggressiveness & a pace I wasn't used to ...not knocking on my self but I've won Naga tournaments , grapplers quest tournament and also a bunch of other local tournaments and have rolled with pretty solid bjj guys ... But these guys from my kosen school bring a different game , and some of my buddies from bjj showed up to our judo school and after rolling with the guys some of my bjj friends joined the club and the other ones still drop in here and there for like open mat ... However they developed a whole new respect for kosen judo after they experienced it , I've adapted now and and now I know what to look out for etc & my instructor is a 4th degree (Dan) black belt and he's pretty bad ass and he's down to earth ... Now I love judo just as much as bjj ... I'm glad to be doing both..... TBH I'm my most honest opinion it's really kinda all the same shit with different mindsets and approaches ...

[@k9m42]

Easy to see where BJJ came from.

[@BloodofPatriots]

Probably? LOL They learned Judo from Maeda, a Kodokan graduate. It was NEVER called "jiu jitsu". That mispronunciation translates into Japanese as "gentle, affectionate sigh". It was called "Kano Jujutsu" until 1882. When he founded the Kodokan, Kano renamed it "Judo". By the time Maeda went to Brazil in 1914, Kano's style of Jujutsu had been called "Judo" for 32 years. Kano changed the rules in 1925 to limit newaza so as to emphasize standing techniques. Tsunetane Oda, another Kodokan graduate and the greatest newaza expert in Judo, asked Kano for an exemption from that rule change regarding the Judo he taught at the Technical ("Kosen") Universities of Japan. Kano granted permission and Oda's students continued to compete under this rule set (and they still do to this day). So, no, the Judo taught in the Kosen Universities is NOT where BJJ comes from. Both Kosen ruleset Judo and BJJ come from directly from Kodokan Judo.

[@BloodofPatriots]

Conde Koma? Fuck off with that nonsense. His name was Mitsuyo Maeda and he was a graduate of the Kodokan, a Judoka. He didn't teach the gracies Jujutsu -- he couldn't, since he never studied Jujutsu. Instead he taught them pre-rule change Judo newaza. The way the gracies mispronounce Jujutsu as "juijitsu" actually translates into Japanese as "Gentle, Affectionate Sigh". Look it up. LOL

[@BloodofPatriots]

There is no such thing as a "Kosen Judo" black belt. A Shodan in Judo is a black belt, it doesn't matter if it was granted by the Kodokan itself or at a Kosen University. Seriously, do you even know what that word means? Kosen means "Technical" as in Technical Universities of Japan.

[@BloodofPatriots]

That's complete and utter bullshit. The Kosen ruleset was an exception to the 1925 rule changes made by Kano to emphasize tachi waza. Kosen rules tournaments are not "rare" in Japan, you fucking idiot. Go to the Kyoto region and you'll see plenty.

[@BloodofPatriots]

Learn to read, you stupid ass. The gracies are thieves and liars. Oda is the god of groundfighting.

[@quickstep2408]

Awesome! Alot of ppl wouldn't be aware that judo has these types of rules and training. Glad to have found it. It's been an interesting last couple days of youtube martial arts for me: from jujutsu, to bjj, to vale tudo, to luta livre, to greco-roman/freestyle wrestling, and finally back to kudokan/kosen judo... Phew. Can you tell that I'm looking to get into a grappling/ground martial art lol? Leaning towards judo but I really wish that I had this sort of judo instruction in my town.

[@donsimons9810]

howre your ears? ugly?

[@chueri]

BJJ came directly from Kodokan Judo. At this time, all Judo had a lot of ne-waza. Mitsue Maeda (Jigoro Kano´s student) came to Brazil and taught Jigoro Kano Jiu-Jitsu to Carlos Gracie and many others guys that become black belts too. Carlos taught Jigoro Kano Jiu-Jitsu to his 4 brothers. Hélio Gracie (the best fighter) used to fight Jigoro Kano Jiu-Jitsu too. In 1950, the term "Judo" become popular in Brazil. Many Brazillian-Japonese abandoned the term "Jiu-Jitsu" and iniciated to use the term "Judo". Gracie Family decided to be "independent" from Internacional Judo Federation because they prefer practice "ne-waza" instead takedowns.

[@chueri]

Why exists judo and jiu-jitsu in Brazil? because some brazillians black-belts decided to be independent from Japan´s Judo. They prefer "ne-waza".

[@Mitchx42]

More fun to watch than bjj comps where it's all in the guard and I like the aggression

[@vibovitold]

This is a selection of highlights, of course it's more entertaining than watching any competition in full. Due to Judo rules once the fight gets to the ground, they need to pull a submission real quick, or else the ref will resume the fight. That's why it's aggressive and fun to watch when someone actually manages to do it (and the footage lands in a compilation like this one in such case). But typically it doesn't happen - what's worse, many judokas will simply lay flat on their bellies waiting for the ref to step in. This behavior makes sense under modern Judo rules, although it doesn't in practical terms. See 4:19, for instance - noone would do that in a bjj comp, let alone on black belt level

[@vibovitold]

Besides, since many Judokas don't train in this area at all (hardly ever), focusing solely on take downs (I'm not hating - similarly, many guys in bjj do the reverse of that, not practicing their takedowns and only pulling guard), so since that's what they do, they don't really know how to defend against such attacks. This sets them up to be on the receiving end of some flashy actions that wouldn't work out so easily in a bjj competition where everyone is on guard

[@BloodofPatriots]

Freestyle Judo rules allow for more time on the ground.

[@sebastmorillofl7432]

Come on, that was a highlight. Use your brain friendo

[@MarkKislich]

very nice...love the finish...

[@branvinivideo]

Nice compilation.

[@devriestown]

Excellent

[@HomelessNinjaKennedy]

Freaking cool. So much better than Olympic Judo. Also, I love the music in this video 👍

[@ArpMadore1]

SRT is very effective at International Judo competitions Japanese women frequently use this Kosen technique

[@sfr7139]

Olympic game strip everything, shame

[@laluhilmi]

Kano was unsatisfied with kosen judo

[@prvtthd401]

In all honesty, nobody said you should folloe olympic rules. The Kodokan is in charge, not the Olympics. Instructors should follow the true Judo way.

[@lioravni7245]

This stuff is awesome. For some reason, I like the way the japanese move over the russians and brazilians, and anywhere else where people do grappling. The japanese are so strong in their legs, and would always like to be on their feet or in a control position, they stand even when in someone's guard.

[@gesshugh9976]

Of course they stand in guard. Planting is the base of old school ne waza. You should be able to stand immediately form nearly any dominant position. I don't train judo, but in Kudo, we use a lot of the old school "outdated" ne waza, because it works well with ground striking, throws, and takedowns. Not as good in a pure rolling contest, but does better in looser rules. It has its ups and downs.

[@jeff6133]

Russians learned judo from Japanese dudes

[@c.duncansutherland8347]

Awesome!

[@eduardothiagomonteiro980]

There is many technics considered of modern BJJ: Delariva guard, one legged x, etc...

[@leaoaugusto]

@@kakuto435 Todas?

[@maykonmartins8648]

@IdkJust. não foi .Até guarda x(mae kuzushi gaeshi) ja era feito no Japão muito antes de começar ser feita por brasileiros. O gancho q passaram chamar de guarda pudim antes de de delariva no Brasil anos 80 o ashi kikasete kaesu ,já era feito pelos judocas do kosen na década de 20.inclusive,tenho imagens de treinos desse período deles fazendo defesa do gancho fazendo berimbolo passando para já pegar as costas tamanha sofisticação da luta de chão no Japão muitos antes de começar ter grandes lutadores no Brasil. Inclusive foi por causa dos judocas do kosen o motivo Do kodokan banir chsves de pe e o tempo de solo limitado nas competições de judo convencional. O motivo do judo ter ficado para trás no newaza nos tempos modernos,foi q essas competições foram extintas pela segunda Guerra e quando judo virou esporte olímpico, as regras do kodokan, dominaram de forma absoluta a prática do judo inclusive no Japão. Tendo poucos mestres que passaram a se especializar em newaza .E foi nesse vácuo que federação internacional de judo deixou que jiu jitsu no Brasil ao se separar formalmente do judo por discordar das regras e fazer federação própria começou a ir evoluindo até aprender essas guardas mais sofisticadas anos 80 e 90.

[@rafaeljordao_]

@@maykonmartins8648 nao da pra negar, brazilian jiu jitsu é so marketing. tudo ja existia kkkkkkk. mas nao tira o merito dos br serem fodas

[@teovu5557]

Lol dela rive,x guard spider guard was already in judo.....there are videos of judo doing them in the 1920 and 1950s n 70s.

[@luismancilla6365]

el judo kodokan y el judo kosen,,# 1 en el mundo y ,aun antes del jiujitsu brazileño,la variedades de judo son muy fuertes y efectivas.

[@nevermore1974.]

これは、フロアファイトに焦点を当てた柔道スタイルです。 ブラジルでは、JI JITSUと名付けられました。 魅力の少ないスポーツになった現代の柔道柔道の主催者を責めましょう。 ロシアのサンボもオリンピック柔道よりも汎用性が高い。

[@BernardoTorres-w5e]

The captions disappeared way to fast and they contained basic information and very interesting one as well .

[@leandrobelchior6475]

Queria mesmo e ver umas lutas do pessoal de alto nível do kosen vs o pessoal de alto nível do bjj

[@alexandremoreira4369]

Vai ser meio difícil de se ver,pois são proibidos a lutarem,,mas teve um programa de TV que teve autorização para participar é fazer uns rolas na Kodokan,,o apresentador era faixa preta de BJJ,,e sentiu na pele como é enfrentar um Judoka a bem preparado,,,um Judoka bem preparado tem por obrigação ter um bom solo,,e fisicamente são muito fortes...

[@alexandremoreira4369]

@canal do marcão tive o prazer de conhecer e conviver com um praticante de jiu-jitsu e competidor,trabalhei com ele,hoje ele respira outros ares,,ele se matriculou em uma academia de judô das antigas,ele me dizia que fisicamente a pegada e os treinos são bem mais intensos..a pegada de kimono e de arrepiar..e de machucar, kkkkkkkkkkkk saudades do cara gente finíssima.

[@baconback]

wow, this is awesome!

[@AroundElvesWatchUrselves96]

Basically Just Judo

[@marcioaraujo431]

3:50 berimbolo?

[@tuneghost3511]

Nao

[@wayne47able]

No

[@mariamamart8086]

Yes !!! 👌🤙💪

[@mariamamart8086]

Procure ai no KZbin : Kosen Bermibolo and you'll see it !!! 💪🤙👌 Ou então procure Berimbolo Judo !!! São os mesmos !!! 🤓🤓🤓

[@sambolife2764]

@@wayne47able its very much within the meta of berimbolo style backtakes

[@harleypoppitypop3817]

I’ve never seen a BJJ guy able to submit a Kosen rules judoka. Or throw one for that matter.

[@actionjackson5086]

Amen

[@ramon1930]

Marcos Souza vs koji lol

[@sambolife2764]

@@ramon1930 obvs high lvl comp guys who are prbly roid out lmao, now what about amongst casuals

[@ramon1930]

@@sambolife2764 The biggest prize which Marcos conquered was an Asian Ibjjf. If he fought with Malfacine or a Miyao the result would be the same on less time.

[@robertacho89]

I

[@jakubceg]

+robertacho89 The song title is Asuka and the artist is Rin'.

[@robertacho89]

By the way last question Do they teach judo under this rules also in other universities like Tsukuba ?

[@jakubceg]

I don't know. Sorry :(

[@robertacho89]

No problem thank you anyway :)

[@dudeitsbou6938]

+robertacho89 Try contacting Hokkaido university. Hokkaido still practice under those rules.

[@prvtthd401]

This beat it fucking amazing.

[@paulojunior5385]

Great Video , Music Name Plz?

[@TheJONSO]

Rin' - 飛鳥

[@bruceparker6142]

It's interesting that even with kosen judo, there are still bjj schools in Japan. That speaks volumes.

[@teovu5557]

And there's still more judo schools in Brazil then BJJ gyms. That speaks volumes.

[@bruceparker6142]

Because an Olympic medalist is more prestigious.

[@JEFFMAN90]

​@@teovu5557 that's not true but okay

[@judozinou4905]

Judo soul Rei

[@jamesgrimes5527]

@jakub ceg What is the first video, black and white, from?

[@ZenSlider]

These are mostly regular judo matches, not specifically kosen rules.

[@markd2797]

3:33 that would've been a nice crucifix / jigoku jime if he succeeded.

[@TheBeijingAikikai]

Kosen is just an abbreviation of Koto senmon gakko ... it's not a refinement of kodokan judo. It's just easier to teach people newaza quicker than tachiwaza. Kids are only in school a short time. Different rules were preserved in the univ tournaments. It's all Judo folks and YES that's where BJJ and Sambo and Kawaishi JJ and Russian Judo, etc. etc. all came from. Read Aikido in Japan and The Way Less Traveled. Detailed history of Japanese moving to Brazil and taking their arts with them.

[@kigawman]

***** You are right that Kosen is not a refinement of Kodokan Judo. Kosen Judo IS the continuation of the traditional Judo. The current Kodokan Judo that was popularized by Kano in 1925 is a streamline/filtered version of what was developed in pre-war/WWI, WWII Judo. This historical truth was kept from most Japanese and other Judoka arcoss the globe for almost a century. Thanks to the internet (and partly to the popularity of bjj), Kosen Judo has a rebirth and is on full resurgence.

[@mongolchiuud8931]

+kigawman Kano is the founder of JUDO................

[@kigawman]

Mr. Robot And your point is? I aware of your response but your motivation doesn't jive to my comment.

[@mongolchiuud8931]

You said Kose Judo is a continuation of Kodokan Judo, As a Judo Black Belt 2nd Dan I can tell you and you can google yourself. Kano pooled together several systems of Jiujitsu into Judo in the 1890s, besides what few NEWAZA(ground skills) judo inherited from Fusen ryu, but it was still mainly Throwing style. Its wasnt until the 1900s that "Newaza" experts seeing as how much easier grappling was to teach and master developed it more. Jugoro Kano then implimented more rules to keep the system more balanced which unfortuntely became a Olympic Sport which.....Added even more restictions. But the point is what Kano developed is different from Kosen or Bjj, and different from modern judo too. fact

[@kigawman]

Mr. Robot *"You said Kose[n] Judo is a continuation of Kodokan Judo, As a Judo Black Belt 2nd Dan I can tell you and you can google yourself."* - You misread what I said, this is what I meant: *"Kosen Judo IS the continuation of the traditional Judo."* *"NEWAZA...judo inherited from Fusen ryu"* - Nope. Fusen Ryu does not have Newaza! Mataemon Tanabe credits Yataro Handa (Sekiguchi Ryu) for teaching him all of the aspects of Newaza before he taught them to his Fusen Ryu students. Judo does not purely concentrate on Nage Waza but has few techniques in Katame Waza that finishes people in the ground. Kito Ryu was that art which Kano was introduced to that particular knowledge of fighting. As you said, Kano "implimented more rules to keep the system more balanced which unfortuntely became a Olympic Sport which.....Added even more restictions." That is true, however, 1925 Judo is still the core of what modern Judo does today. I am fully aware of what Kano did so don't school me on the differences between Traditional/pre-1925 (Old School Kodokan - Kosen,BJJ,Sambo) and Mainstream Judo/1925-present (IJF and current Kodokan).

[@tyvonable]

i will call bjj now modern kosen judo.

[@graciederangementsyndrome3669]

You gotta be delusional and have an inferiority complex if you're willing to call BJJ by something that has no direct historical connection with.

[@sambolife2764]

technically "kosen judo" is just regular judo but with a more newaza focus, but yh the sentiment is accurate

[@modasp2701]

Agora sim, vejo o jiu Jitsu foi criado no japao.

[@kenshiro19x]

Sera q os Gracies ainda insistem em dizer q criaram td? Q td veio de um passe de magica?Q Hélio "inventou" as tais "alavancas"???Kkkkkkkkkk n desmerecendo o Bjj,mas e muita cara de pau os caras ainda falarem q criaram td e por cima a "arte marcial imbatível" kkkkkkkkkkkkk...Menti O.o??

[@cesaralvesdemoraes3187]

+filipe dos anjos kkk apenas verdades. BJJ tem a vantagem de ter sido complementado com técnicas de JJJ conhecidas por Konde Koma e outras de submission wrestiling que ele aprendeu no EUA, mas não vejo grandes contribuições vindas diretamente dos Gracie nas técnicas. A genialidade dos Gracie foi em identificar os 3 estagios de uma luta (em pé, clinch e chão) de forma que não negligenciassem nenhum aspecto e com isso foram vitoriosos no inicio do vale tudo e ufc. Quando os outros aprenderam isso os Gracie sumiram do MMA. Vai entender kkkk

[@kenshiro19x]

Procura-se Gracies no MMA kkkkkkkkkkkk

[@fernando4885]

+filipe dos anjos mas sinceramente? foi bem feito isso, o japão e as autoridades do judô tentaram matar de todas as formas o ne-waza, começando pelo ciumento Jigoro Kano criador do judô, ele era ministro da educação, e vendo que as pessoas estavam gostando mais da luta de chão resolveu modificar as regras das competições, dificultando mais ainda o jogo de chão, e voltando a focar mais as projeções. Com o tempo o ne-waza foi sendo esquecido do grande público, só com essa explosão do sucesso do jiu jitsu no ocidente que foram tomar conhecimento que existia isso, ainda sim hoje em dia ninguém sabe que o judô tem o ne-waza, porque o próprio judô e os judocas não estão preocupados em demonstrar isso, talvez alguns estão querendo resgatar por caus da rivalidade com o bjj, mas o importante é que os Gracies salvaram o ne-waza, e foi bem feito para a Kodokan, para o japão e para os mestres do judo de lá.

[@uneiro]

Pesquisa sobre Fada jiu-jitsu pra vc ver uma história diferente e real do jiu-jitsu como realmente chegou no Brasil

[@uneiro]

@@fernando4885 não foi Bem isso que aconteceu não foi mais por uma questão de dinâmica e para adaptar para o judo esportivo pois as lutas eram muito longas e intermináveis aí foi adotado algumas regras pontuação mas só para campeonato o problema é que as academias de hj em dia só pensam nessa porcaria de campeonatos e esquecem da arte marcial com o jiu-jitsu também vem acontecendo outro motivo de não ver graice e jiu-jitsu raiz no ufc foi a questão das regras terem mudado rounds muito curtos jiujiteiro precisa levar no chão e desenvolver o seu jiu-jitsu antigamente não tinha tempo nem assaltos era até finalizar ou nocautear então ele tinham mais tempo para desenvolver suas técnicas no solo o juiz também não interrompe a luta para colocar de pé

[@kipallen1284]

Kosen Mutha@!%* Judo Folks Bless the world with Brazilian Jiu Jitsu*

[@가경동숨은주먹]

What music??

[@charlesvitorio5492]

Oss 🥋🇯🇵⛩

[@masvideos11]

Bjj=kosen judo. kosen judo was what Maeda taught the Gracie

[@jpJP-lq8eo]

Seppuku was committed moments afterwards by his opponents entire dojo and his family for 5 generations

[@vancouverrobson]

The roots of BJJ.

[@28chriztian]

leg lock is legal in kosen judo?

[@papo507]

it's kosen not kodokan, of course it's legal.

[@28chriztian]

Thank you

[@mariamamart8086]

All Chokeholds and Joint locks incluiding all takedowns that exist !!!!! 👌🤙💪 🤓🤓🤓

[@MeroGrumble]

@@papo507 Leg locks have been banned in judo (kosen ruleset included) for about a century.

[@samsamo720]

so bjj is a kosen judo hhhh.whay we giving the name brazilien

[@ReddKumaJaxon]

👍👍👍

[@robertosicuro4296]

W il kosen judo!

[@BrtalDdlez]

2:07 - 2:52 EPIC!

[@sauron1966]

[@pistolpaulie4871]

The original BJJ

[@nicholasnj3778]

today Kosen Judo is basically Brazilian Jujitsu ... even BJJ has been refined and modified with open guard, spider guard and De La Riva/ Hiva

[@MalaEstrella]

+Nicholas NJ Those moves already existed in kosen judo. I myself have watched an old Kodokan vid where they did De la Riva guards and even X guards.

[@johnWilliams-ke6ly]

+KingSygma also berimbolos darce chokes becuese rubber guard 50 50 guard

[@MalaEstrella]

Piet Jaap Jap The 50 50 guard is bread n' butter catch wrestling stuff. I have seen darce chokes in some wrestling instructionals, and something similar to the rubber guard in kosen judo material. But berimbolos? That's new for me.

[@johnWilliams-ke6ly]

KingSygma look it up

[@johnWilliams-ke6ly]

***** link the clips than

[@tomjeff1743]

Can anybody roll like that on gravel or concrete? In other words something closer to the real world like the floor of a bar or on a sidewalk maybe littered with debris. Outside a wrestling mat who wants to deliberately fall down?

[@JL-pu6bh]

Of course, look up judo/bjj vids on street fight. Against people not familiar in grappling, a good practitioner can do takedown and put the assailant on the bottom and controlling them real quick.

[@tomjeff1743]

@@JL-pu6bh Any wrestler can do that. Gotta watch out for concealed knives.

[@JL-pu6bh]

@@tomjeff1743 wrestling is grappling too. IMO unless you're getting mugged or in a really bad neigborhood, most street fight is between casual people and end in under 30 seconds. Good takedown/ground and pound should do it, there is a reason most bouncers in clubs train grappling. Dont take it wrong, striking is good for self defense too, although for me personally if it's just one on one altercation (like road rage) I prefer to use BJJ.

[@peterpaul9375]

looks like BJJ to me

[@Sorel366]

+Peter Paul Where do you think bjj comes from. BJJ actually stands for Basically Just Judo.

[@johnWilliams-ke6ly]

+Sorel366 yes but normal judo has so many rules

[@johnWilliams-ke6ly]

+Ira Dutary-Audia (Papo) there is the same issue in bjj a lot of schools skip selfdefence

[@papo507]

Piet Jaap Jap well that is stupid I remember my first judo and karate class and was told clearly this isn't a game this a discipline geared towards incapacitating or maiming and opponent. I however trained in Panamá so maybe different mentality.

[@peterpaul9375]

***** bjj came from kosen judo you toothless fat midget. Hello Gracie was taught kosen judo by Japanese guy maeda. Helio then modified a lot of the moves to make it more applicable in a real street against a much bigger opponent. Any questions welfare virgin? Good. Now get off WELFARE and go get a job. Amen ....oh and try to get laid too.... for the first time. (It would be easier to split the red sea)

[@supasye]

i do bjj and some of those moves are baffling me.