2022 Kosen Judo highlights 高專柔道 七大学柔道優勝大会

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[@Chadi]

Kosen Judo channel in the description!

[@chrischiang1512]

Chadi , i understand that u have challenges getting video recording from Kyoto University, those from Newaza Kenkyukai during my visit there in 2018 they said is ok to take video and pictures. And they are all veterans from former Kosen Judo practitioners, not university students. I am sure you would be able to get some nice videos from them, if u need their email address PM or email me i still have their contact

[@melvindunn2234]

I wish more people knew about Kosen Judo. Killing it Chadi.

[@Chadi]

Thank you

[@Itzak15]

I joined Kyushu University's kosen judo team this semester. I'm staying until the next 七大大会. So far the training culture has been very fun and the ruleset make matches exciting.

[@Xpistos510]

This is Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu's dad.

[@scottage_teaches_jujutsu]

No it’s more like if Chris hemsworth is bjj kosen judo is Liam, almost the same age same genes but one is waaaaaay more famous

[@markdaniels4178]

You're absolutely correct! Bjj is judo only with a different rule set in competition

[@markdaniels4178]

​@@scottage_teaches_jujutsuwhat? This is pure judo😊

[@graciederangementsyndrome3669]

Nah, more like long lost relative. BJJ came from just Kodokan, not Kosen

[@graciederangementsyndrome3669]

@@markdaniels4178 Different rule set = different techniques via evolution. Judo doesnt have half guard games, missing leglocks compared to BJJ and doesn't have a variety of chokes like darce, brabo, initially the peruvian necktie, anaconda, etc. and end lapel chokes since it's illegal to use the end of the gi lapel.

[@ericwanderley5433]

My friend, i have been doing judo and brazilian jiu jitsu here in Brazil for 7 years now and your channel is amazing. Thank you for the opportunity to learn with you. Your breakdowns of the positions help a lot to understand. Usually when i watch the matches i cant follow and understand every movement because normally it is so fast, but thanks to you im learning a lot. Thanks you very much for your dedication.

[@pedrometzger8247]

I want that the Kosen judo became more popular among Normal Judo practitioners and that this way of fighting spread around the world. I know we already have BJJ but is a dream to me that the all-world Judokas today become more interested in the ground game not just in the Olympic style that is based almost only in Nage Waza.

[@markdaniels4178]

I'm a judoka and I train kosen judo in my home with my son's because the dojo doesn't allow it. My mission is to promote what jagaro kano was teaching and I don't deviate from the true teachings at least in my home

[@dylan_krishna_777]

Me to kosen judo is the source and foundation of BJJ. I think kosen judo have enough trows like kodokan judo but their goal is not ippon but submission. Also I read in some comments from a kosen judo training video that they outgripe and are above BJJ practitioners in ne-waza

[@markdaniels4178]

@Dylan K kosen judo is in fact that what bjj mimic and you don't need no Brazilian jiu-jitsu cultists to validate your observation.i practice judo and Brazilian jiu-jitsu and they are the same art but with a different rule set.

[@dylan_krishna_777]

@@markdaniels4178 true man they came from the same source but they have different ruleset and different emphasis.

[@graciederangementsyndrome3669]

@@dylan_krishna_777 None of Japanese Judokas who taught in the early 20th century in Brazil were Kosen competitors themselves. Just because BJJ and Kosen happen to look strikingly similar, doesn't mean they're related. This is called the genetic fallacy

[@beskeptic]

Great video Chadi-san! Love it! Going to share with BJJ and Judo friends!

[@Chadi]

Thank you so much 🙇🏻‍♂️

[@marlon1171]

Always a treasure to watch theses clips.

[@lilosnitch3247]

Kosen judo is something i really love, the emphasis on ne waza but tachi waza should be taught as well.

[@darylfields]

Also atemi waza too

[@barrettokarate]

As must as I've enjoyed Gracie jiu-jitsu over the past decade, if given the chance to have done Kosen judo I would have definitely jumped at the chance. You've got this mix of stand up and ground up already, as opposed to jiu-jitsu where it's basically all ground with little to no stand up. And usually the throws you learn in jiu-jitsu are pretty bad even though jiu-jisu as Robert Trias would say is "Brazilian judo".

[@johnnyzaldana4841]

Outstanding Video!!

[@kenwintin3014]

In the 1960s I was in Japan and trained at both civilian and police dojo, At the Takashima dojo in Yamato-shi, which was a Butokukai dojo, there were a couple of young judoka who also did Kosen Judo. I tried to learn from them, but alas, in my old age I have forgotten much.

[@FranzStFleur]

Yo I'm 30 seconds in and I'm already excited to learn

[@dylan_krishna_777]

Love kosen judo ♥️🙏🥋🇯🇵

[@haraldodunkirk1432]

I’m interested in Kosen- specifically how seriously they train… how serious is it compared to, say, Tokai or Tenri in normal judo?

[@cahallo5964]

This looks cool I wish they were a bit less of a closed community, not necesarily accepting more students but they should start taking more friendly challenges kinda like kyokushin guys did with the open karate tourneys

[@kevionrogers2605]

Its the Japanese equivalent to the NCAA Ivy League. Kosen Judo would be equivalent to the most elite universities maintaining NCAA Wrestling rules from the 1900s while the remainder are using the current rules. You could have a club use these rule sets, & even form a tournament, but unless you go to one of these elite universities there's no one way compete in it at the university level.

[@cahallo5964]

@@kevionrogers2605 which's why I said what I said

[@silentmind34]

Hey Chadi, when you did your Shodan Shiai, did they use the current IJF rules or something else?

[@Chadi]

Yes

[@theyankeesamurai23]

I would love to train Kosen Judo. I wish it was more well known.

[@jiujitsusilencer8533]

@4:37 holy cow is that the figure four leg lock? Ric Flair and Mutoh Keiji would be proud. Woooooooo

[@chrischiang1512]

Did u get the chance to train with those from Newaza Kenkyukai in Tokyo?

[@Chadi]

Unfortunately no

[@edgarhack2042]

That channel is a treasure trove. Still can't believe this style resembles and predates bjj. The Gracies saw the opportunity of taking around the World, now you have people like Chael Sonnen who criticise judo for looking like fancy pajama fighting when bjj is the same

[@retroghidora6767]

I'd definitely love to try a Kosen Judo class!

[@nikko14r]

Hi Chadi, do you know any places in the Osaka/Kansai area where you can train Kosen Judo?

[@Chadi]

Osaka university and Kyoto university, you need to write to them first.

[@nikko14r]

@@Chadi Got it, thank you!

[@maxsette80]

In IBJJF its reaping. In Luta Livre not.....i dont know how it is in ADCC.....

[@bartofilms]

Are wrist and ankle locks allowed in Kosen Judo?

[@Chadi]

Only armlocks in ne waza

[@moonsdonut5188]

I want to learn kosen judo and I want to be very good at newaza I feel a judo person should not have to go to bjj when we can evolve the newaza to make it better

[@scarred10]

Bjjj is still way more developed in newaza

[@henkuanghoung4732]

@@scarred10 this is true, but do you find many opportunities to stand up during a bjj roll?

[@chrischiang1512]

@@scarred10 if IJF decided to introduce a Kosen judo rule, u will see Judo and BJJ is virtually the same as the community will develop new strategies and technique over time and judoka will spend more time on the ground than standing . The rule dictates how the skill set developed. I once ask my sensei judo or BJJ is better, he told me if a judoka fight in BJJ rule, judo guy will lose, if a BJJ guy fight in judo rule , BJJ guy will lose.

[@Mutex50]

Anyone know how common an ippon by a throw is in Kosen Judo?

[@JoriMikke78]

5-8 minutes a long time?

[@daviderusso1238]

Kosen Judo should be the perfect synthesis for me. Very difficult to see where it is a strong Kodokan tradition and for a coloured belt.

[@user-vn6ym7wl8v]

Hey chadi I know some people from the 7 universities If you’d like know

[@moefinesse9878]

3:08 under IBJJF rules that would be reaping the knee, and thus tori would be disqualified. He needs to place his left foot, in an inverted position on uke's hips, in order to be classified as legit for a potential ashi garami

[@igorlinhares9257]

This is Judo, not Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

[@BURGAWMMA]

Kosen Judo is the original ethos... before Sport

[@Community_Guideline_Violator]

Sure looked like a real to me 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@chcknpie04]

It is a reap, yes, but I don’t see why anyone would tap to it without the heel hook, straight ankle lock, or kneebar applied

[@norlo6723]

This is ju jutsu.

[@evilatex]

it's definitely knee reaping

[@MuHaMaat]

Yes unfortunately in IBJJF it is considered reaping.

[@Emanuel_carey]

That’s a reap

[@MagickArmory]

Eliminate the pin as a way to win . Or at least only make it a partial point the smallest partial point . Submissions and big clean throws should be the only way to win in 1 shot. Just my thoughts

[@joatanpereira4272]

disagree, judo scoring follows the idea that you are in a battlefield/real fight, so, if you have your opponent on a pin you can easily kill them/control them until you get help.

[@bjarneschmalbach1524]

@@joatanpereira4272 Yes and no. A pin can be a strongly advantageous position, and it usually is - just like a good throw. IMO however, it is wrong to equate it with a submission. First, submission rates vary vastly from pin type to pin type. And second, there are submissions that can be done from being pinned. Of course from a judo perspective throws and pins are sufficient to win, but from a BJJ point of view they are not. Submission is just much more definite than a throw/pin, which will always have gray areas.

[@chrischiang1512]

Pin follow on with a tanto stab would kill the opponent in battlefield, that's the purpose of the pin of jujutsu

[@bjarneschmalbach1524]

@@chrischiang1512 Well, yes but so would stabbing from back mount, from guard, or even in a standing position. Pins are quite advantageous positions, yes, but modern Judo rules are at best very loosely inspired by actual combat.

[@chrischiang1512]

Back mount is considered a pin too , you have more advantage over your opponent Standing is 50-50 In guard, not really your opponent can stab you or u fighting from your back is harder to stab your opponent. From pin since you are on the top u have more leverage to stab. Judo ippon concept is that if u can throw your opponent down , u can stab him , that's based on the old traditional battlefield concept of advantage position, what u mean it's not relevant?

[@MrJames-eb6rp]

Better than the garbage tournament based Judo.

[@darylfields]

Kosen judo is cool but bjj is just way better

[@billcipher3946]

Wrestling + judo is better than BJJ

[@atshabal]

I find it more dynamic than bjj

[@teovu5557]

bjj sucks now wrestlers beat them in mma all the time now

[@zartic4life]

When your paying those ridiculous fratboy club fees I would say the same 😂

[@zartic4life]

​​​@@atshabal Because you learn the other half of jujitsu also?

[@oguzmen5451]

Nice, I would recommend the youtube channel 'non-stop newaza' too