Kosen Osaekomi

. This part is a kosen Judo series, showing transitions, holds and
escapes. The term Kosen means higher school (i.e. high school & college. It refers to the grappling style judo practiced at these schools.

[@dEeM0nEy916]

from basic subs and transitions to X-pass, x-guard, scissor sweeps, spider guards! So basically Gracie Jiu-Jitsu was the "10th Planet" Jiu-Jitsu back in those days. Meaning, rebranding techniques that have since long existed....imho...

[@brotendo]

If you look closely at the pixels you can see Helio Gracie in the background teaching him these techniques that he modified for his smaller frame...

[@sylvanusjoseph1140]

Its a pity that Helio Gracie was disappointed with the path of which his Gracie Jiu Jitsu went just before he died, as it became sporting bullshit, - BJJ = Bullshit Jiu Jitsu.

[@EricSorensenCanada]

Thanks for posting this. This gold! Isn't funny how martial arts gets rebranded, reclaimed and renamed every few decades or so? Then you see videos like this and realize everything is much, much older than you think. I also noticed recently how it's almost impossible now to find any of the old Judo books and manuals. Most are out of print.

[@aramiscabrera6227]

Some kosen judo black belts and instructors still exist but it’s rare .. there’s two competitive black belts that love bjj because it’s the only tournament geared towards there form of judo..

[@splintchesthair100]

so I've had this series on tape for years now and have laughed every time someone comes up with comparisons. Bjj vs Kosen Kosen vs BJJ. Root system right here. In this video, we see "De La Riva." "X-Guard" Butterfly guard ....everything under the sun. Nobody in all of the time I've done Jiu Jitsu has ever dogged Kosen when I show them these videos...their Happy! They think it's awesome and they study the videos and learn. Everyone knows Maeda was a Kosen student. Great vids, keep training, give credit where credit is due....both ways.

[@barrettokarate]

Maeda was not a Kosen student. _"KOSEN"_ means "technical college" and is actually short for _kōtō-senmon-gakkō_ (college of technology) which is where Kosen judo gets its name because that's where its taught. In order to be a Kosen judoka, you have to have attended and trained at a judo club at a Kosen school. Maeda didn't and thus is not a Kosen judoka. He was simply a newaza expert. Not all Newaza experts are Kosen judoka. Ronda Rousey is known for her ground game. Is she a Kosen judoka? No, she never went to a Kosen school.

[@deltaonze7692]

When maeda left japan, Kano's ju jitsu was not yet called judo. Because of that, here in Brazil we called jiu jitsu what he taught the Gracies

[@InvisibleHotdog]

@@deltaonze7692 Maeda was wrestling, his students taught the Gracies

[@aramiscabrera6227]

@@barrettokarateokay brother thanks for correcting that but maeda was a newaza specialist .. remember at the time maeda migrated newaza players where petitioning kodakan to have there place in the school system which was not adopted a few years after maeda has already left . Newaza judo was being faded out and the practitioners where trying to get more ground on the college level

[@aramiscabrera6227]

@@deltaonze7692negative and I correct it was called judo .. but a lot of older practitioners still called it Kano jujitsu .. besides that newaza was rare among the practice as it was losing its way the newaza guys where petitioning Kano threw combat to have more place in the school system remember this is there national sport it’s taught at the school level just like freestyle wrestling is ours .. and sambo for Russia which also has a newaza leniage .. they are all related some way some how

[@jesselowe9374]

I like these standing transitions into newaza because I feel like they provide injury prevention, energy conservation and a way to still take someone down if they're not as coordinated (possibly cause you harm).

[@Lexthebarbarian]

This is gold. I am admittedly a purple belt in bjj, but this is better. Such clean, simple and strong techniques. This is genuine. Bjj instructions can easily become boring to look at, I think. But I could look at this for hours.

[@devriestown]

Your channel is amazing man thank you.

[@keitheager6023]

X Guard at 7:46.

[@daveyponderosa9549]

Thank you for your great posts Sir. I love watching these videos. 👍❤️

[@keitheager6023]

Nice De La Riva sit back sweep at 5:28. No bolo though.

[@Seegie16]

Thats not like any dela riva sweep ive ever seen. It looks like uke got his back busted and the wind knocked out of him. It does look like a practical technique though im not sure id try it as i might get a rep for being "that strength guy". I do like it and i think it would work. id try it in a tourney

[@jimmyalderson1639]

Keith Eager they had bolos, but this is clearly a basic demonstration, as they explain even the simplest throws like Kani Basami This is more to demonstrate the effectiveness of newaza, than to show off the complicated variations. Like how the Kodokan Nage Waza videos demonstrate the throws, give a brief explanation of them, and a few variations - but they by no means teach you the extent of knowledge which is known about them

[@keitheager6023]

Lasso sweep at 8:14, this is cray!

[@Seegie16]

The only difference is if that was taught in a bjj class. It would be explained in 20 steps and hard to remember 20 minutes after class. I just watched it twice in this video and its committed to memory...lol

[@jimmyalderson1639]

Keith Eager almost like people pretend judoka know and never knew anything about newaza to promote the lie that Helio Gracie invented a martial art from scratch, except when he actually built on techniques, except when he lost to newaza experts of the kodokan. (No disrespect to BJJ, but i can't stand the lie that's perpetuated that makes out like the gracies were so revolutionary to groundwork. They only patented a style, added nothing, waited for other people to make contributions, then claim it for their own work)

[@joelsouth1128]

The one dislike is from Rickson!

[@christopherkabenguelle5474]

And all Gracies family

[@bruceparker6142]

Is there any difference from the kodokan syllabus?

[@EduardoRodriguez-ks4em]

I'm sick and tired of BJJ guys bashing against JUDO. Because it's JUDO. The word Kosen is for the high schools. Brainwashed BJJ guys are so stubborn on placing BJJ above anything else. In Brazil, we just call it Jiu Jitsu (Arte Suave). There are schools teaching Maeda Judo. But nobody thinks that "BJJ" is superior. We have Karate, Kung Fu, Muay Thai, Hapkido, etc. Unfortunately, too many "BJJ" guys, outside Brazil, will attack any other style. Shame on BJJ people!

[@nishiki2139]

I stumbled across this video and was interested in all the BJJ guys saying about this. You are right. All the BJJ moves were made by judo guys back then , dela riva, x guard even belimboro (of couese, These. Moves have been. Evolving) whatever you name it and BJJ is judo. The gracie named judo BJJ for patent? For business?? Drysdale Sensei made a document about this called The guard. Hope its coming out soon. Its the fact that brazilians like leoginho,marcelo garcia, rafa ad so many are sooo talented and best at Newaza tho. Is it because of life style in brazil just like soccer?

[@prickett233]

17:49 the lockdown ;)

[@Seegie16]

A lockdown escape I learned in bjj was 90% similar to that

[@patmark3059]

Stuffed muffled and immobilized

[@spiritsoulbody9845]

Masahiko Kimura

[@migovas1483]

yeah, the man himself in action, he was awesome.

[@misnomer4231]

why do bjj ppl insist they are different?

[@christopherkabenguelle5474]

De LaRiva 5:30. Brazilians stole it

[@barrettokarate]

In an interview he did years ago, Carlson Gracie, Jr. said they called it "De La Riva" after Ricardo De La Riva, but that his father was the one who invented it. I used to think it was mainly Rorion and his side of the family that only lied, but looks like the other side lies too.

[@leobapster]

Sinistro

[@combatjudointernational5526]

You are looking pre-1920 classical Kodokan Judo (i.e. Kano Ryu Jiujitsu), NOT BJJ. It is disingenuous, insulting and very disrespectful to the legacy of the Japanese masters to [replace] the original Judo names of techniques with modern BJJ terminology instead. Judo is the "parent" of BJJ. Therefore, let us be respectful to the JUDO pioneers, the creators these techniques and actually named them. Oss!

[@matsensei7201]

Combat Judo International these guys are celebrating the technical Newaza here. all these moves have been through a revolution. they are relevant once again to our modern Martial Arts culture. thanks so much to Hal

[@Seegie16]

I agree that these are old kodokan moves and this is what was taught to the gracies and some others in brazil in the 20's. But I will say these are very basic and all the gracies thier sons and thousands of students built upon these basics and have created positions that these 20's judokas never seen before nor could have ever dreamed of. Just like the bjj that helio used in the 50's was something rudimentary and not nearly as sophisticated as you see in bjj schools today.

[@physicalactivityscience1821]

a lot of assumptions there, not really any demosntrated facts. How do you know "these 20's judokas never seen techniques of today before nor could have dreamed of"? I sense discomtempt and disdain there... The proofs point towards one common art, compiled by Kano and gradually adapted to specific sport rulesets by different organizations (IJF, IBJJF, etc ). Despite being called Kano's Jiu Jitsu, Kano wished and clarified why it should be called Judo, as opposed to Jiu Jitsu (which is, anyways, an umbrella term put together by Kano himself, unyfying fightghing/grappling styles from the past which had several different names). Any sport like these, by definition, will have shortcomings and strengths over others due to game rules. Confusing that with negation of a common origin is not very mature or respectful. Every athlete is different and unique, so as every school, every country and any federation. The discipline, is one.

[@Seegie16]

Physical Activity Science the only reason i say what i say is because in recent years. Since the late 80's actually the competition scene of bjj has blown up worldwide. Tournies all over the world every week. Ill even go so far and say 1980's bjj look primitive with so many less moves from all positions as compared to 2017 bjj. I took bjj in 1996 with a direct member of the gracies. There barely was any spider or dela riva work. Not saying the spider or dela riva positions were not there. They were but thier were limited attacks. Now because of somany people spending 8 hours a day perfecting techniques from every single position many more attacks and sweeps have been developed. Now truthfully tell me how would kosen which has 7 universities which compete against each other have a more intricate game than an art that has hundteds of tournies all over every weekend that is nothing but groundwork? Come on use your head. Also kosen is rather new. Before the 19th century they were fighting in armour. Serious grappling is a result of more peaceful time were sportive competitions with gis instead of armour could be had. By the way i love kosen. Thier are some positions especially the pins and cracking the turtle which you dont see in bjj. Again this is because the rule of pinning wins match. In bjj pin means nothing so flowing to positions for submissions means more. But personally i love a great smothering pin. Its punishing and It can quickly take the fight out of someone who is younger and faster than you.

[@physicalactivityscience1821]

Yep, you got it, Hélio's learning and teaching was hampered Judo aka (Kano's Jiu Jitsu) and that reflects on the very poor tachi-waza (that's what he disingenuously referred as "the Japanese Jiu Jitsu being very strength based, requiring a lot of athleticism), hence sticking with ne-waza only (which he claims have learned by watching, really? Let's all use our heads...). If you speak portuguese, there are plenty of videos from the Gracies where they bluntly go misname original techniques with portuguese names because they don't remember (or made the effort to recover) the japanese name they learned, later this phenomenon happens with english language too. At the same time, on the side of the world. we have these guys from this video already doing supposedly "BJJ-specific invented techniques" like the so called "De la Riva", "X-guard", "butterfly sweeps" and so on (btw, some say no "berimbolo" there, but there are in fact old footage of Judo guys doing "berimbolo"-type moves. So, let's now try to use our heads again, shall we: Do you really think there is no evolution and development in Judo since these times? Do you think the Judo (Kosen or IJF or others) athletes of today don't have a superior game than these 20's guys? Do you really think Pele was better than Ronaldo or that Maradona was better then Messi? Any discipline performance levels are by definition temporal. The explosion you mention in BJJ from the 80/90's happen with Judo earlier in the 60's. The main divergence of BJJ from Judo is not a technical one, is mostly a cultural one, fueled by the Gracie's wish to expand their business and glory, always disrespectfully hiding and refuting their link to Judo. These cultural divergence (and similarity) becomes clear in the social behavior of BJJ players and schools. It's worth understanding that this distinction between Kosen vs. Kodokan Judo is mostly academic, as in Japan, Judo is Judo and a judoka is a judoka. In fact, Japanese judoka ne-waza levels (and tachi-waza for that matter) are incomparably higher and more complete (less turtle, more solutions) than westerners, isn't that interesting...? You also hit the bullseye when you mention that "Serious grappling is a result of more peaceful time were sportive competitions with gis instead of armour could be had", which is correct, and which we should thank Judo for being the hallmark of such phenomenon. The main technical differences between IJF and IBJJF rules do actually reflect these contexts. The IJF rules try to mimic a belic context where the efficiency is crucial (maximum damage with minimum effort, aka seiryoku zenyo) , where in a scenario with possible multiple enemies (like a battlefield) a samurai would need to very swiftly dispatch an opponent before the dealing with the next one, meaning that a throw need to be quick and violent (that's why judokas belly down more often) and the ground the finish should happen very quickly as it is a dangerous position to be (that's you you are called back up if no progress is done after a few seconds). IBJJF rules on the other hand, reflect a context of a 1on1 situation in the ground, which originates from the more modern and brazilian/Gracie scenario of "Vale-Tudo" (or proto-MMA), where you will have time to safely "roll" an indefinite amount of time, where "full mount" & "back taking" are more valuable because you can punch the opponent and he can't punch you back so easily. Besides all this, you have sports like Sambo which have it's own rules and consequent advantages and disadvantages.

[@Sydney1979]

oil check at 1:45

[@drovisanal1025]

Judo salt is real af in the comments :)