KPL (Knife Pivot Lube) Is Ripping People Off

[@pateralus9]

I actually found these swabs on Amazon a few weeks ago & got a 200 pack for like $7. They also have a longer microfiber tip which is less likely to fall off. I'll just buy them from Amazon from now on. But KPL is really free to charge whatever they like. People are free to shop around & get a better price if they so wish, too.

[@bladesandedc]

I agree they can charge what they want, but at the time I made this video they were claiming these were made in the USA and they aren’t. I talked to them on Instagram and they said it was a mistake on their website. I believe they have removed the made in the USA from the swabs now.

[@pateralus9]

@@bladesandedc Yeah that's definitely a no-no, good on them for changing it. Glad you made this video because it has surely helped people save some money!

[@davec3651]

Falsely stating "Made in the USA" is very wrong and doing it "by mistake" is extremely unlikely. This is a fair and just criticism to put out there. And it's very fair and intelligent to also question the source and claims on their other products and their overall business ethic. Who wants to buy from people caught trying to deceive customers? It's not about money/pricing, it's about being able to trust that what's being sold is what they say it is. Trust is priceless.

[@TopDog8762]

Thank You for bringing this up. Other knife channels have mentioned this in a "passing" manner. But no one seemed to care. You have made it very clear that these can be purchased from other sources significantly cheaper and they are not made in the USA.

[@daviddecker9858]

Thank you so much for sharing this. It really makes me wonder if the KPL is something worth buying.

[@deadmanrunning6670]

I don't use any type of lube on any of my knives. Why? Because lube attracts lint, dust, and dirt which ultimately causes poor action. Keep the knife dry, free from debris using canned air, and there won't be a need to disassemble and clean them. If you must use lube, but a quart of 10 or 10w30 synthetic motor oil for about $8. If it's good enough in my engine, it's good enough for a knife.

[@michaelgepson2877]

Great point. I looked online prior to ordering from KPL and found the same thing you did.

[@sgtgrantham]

What’s wrong with a double ended Q-tip? 500 for $1

[@jeffcanyafixiy]

Did you contact KPL prior to airing this?? I bought a couple packs of the swabs, thought they were expensive for what I was getting. But I paid up. Bought a second pack too. As a former purchasing agent there are allot of variables to a Purchase Order aside from the part itself that determines "unit" pricing. Thanks for the heads up, BUT give um a chance though. Take care, thanks again.

[@bladesandedc]

If they hadn’t been misleading about where they are made I would have done that, but the fact they put they are made in the USA and mislead people to believe they were making them in Texas is wrong and the community deserves to know what they are doing.

[@xunil76]

Thanks for the heads up on this...just bought a pack of 500 of the wooden applicators (no sense in throwing more plastic in the trash when done with them), plus a 32oz bottle of food-safe mineral oil for pivot lube and paid $23 & some change after shipping

[@simonkassem2211]

KPL is camellia oil. Can buy the same amount, unbranded, for $9. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@UziRyder1]

It kind of makes you wonder who's oil they're rebranding doesn't it?

[@bladesandedc]

Yes it does although according to them it is made in the USA. I have no evidence otherwise, but before this video they said the swans were made in the USA. They have changed that on their website now.

[@butchcassidy3373]

All this crap is a waste of money. Jesus, it's oil and a Q tip. I don't waste my money on any of this crap. Mineral oil is dirt cheap. Just saying

[@bladesandedc]

I am doing a video series where I am testing other oils against KPL and some are far less expensive.

[@butchcassidy3373]

@@bladesandedc cool. I look forward to the results. Rem oil has always worked well for me.

[@bladesandedc]

I have used Rem oil for 20+ years. A lot of this new knife lubricant stuff is just flashy marketing and inflated prices.

[@TheLastRanger]

Why do we need these sticks? Seems like something unnecessary to me. Just disassemble the knife clean it and put I back together. They figured out how to con knife people.

[@bladesandedc]

I agree that they aren't really necessary, but they do make it easier to get the oil on the detent track and control the amount you put on the bearings. They are conning people for sure. Their site still says made in the USA even after they admitted they aren't.

[@willb7713]

How's the sheepdog reylight? I was looking at it. I hate to see kpl doing that since I like their lube.

[@bladesandedc]

It’s great right out of the box. The action is smoother than the mini and the mini was fantastic. It will be even better after a little lube.

[@willb7713]

@@bladesandedc Man that is making me wish I weren't so poor. There's 3 new releases or restocks that I wanna buy and can't.

[@bladesandedc]

@@willb7713 Which 3 are you talking about?

[@willb7713]

@@bladesandedc The Feldspar Button Lock, the Artisan Cutlery Great White in micarta, and another random one that I can't remember now.

[@jasonbrown6686]

That’s the beauty of the internet . You can always find things for so much cheaper than others sell them . The prices for those are all over the place on Amazon too . But if you think it’s wrong to buy a product and sell it at a hugely inflated rate then you may want to quit buying anything from anybody because that’s how vendor / reseller relationships work . I can guarantee you that those $7 for 500 pieces probably cost the reseller less than $1 per 500 . That’s how business work and I see markups higher than that at the business I work at on a daily basis . Not to mention that just because you can get them for that price on Amazon definitely doesn’t mean that KPL’s vendor sells them to them that cheap . I’m not trying to defend KPL because I could care less if people buy from them or not . I also don’t see the need for those swabs in the first place . Just saying that’s how business works ..

[@bladesandedc]

What I think was wrong was having them listed as Made In The USA on their website and jacking the prices up based on that. They finally removed that today which I give them credit for.

[@jasonbrown6686]

@@bladesandedc I get that for sure but didn’t understand that point from your video . My bad if I missed that

[@wayneanderson991]

@@bladesandedc The only reason KPL removed the made in the USA is because they got caught. I would not be to quick to give a deceptive company credit for anything. In the world of advertising there is no such thing as a mistake! It's called deception!!!!

[@repairmanlevi9656]

You’re not buying the swab, you’re buying the name. Just like a corvette, you’re buying the name.

[@poncho151]

These kind of swabs have been around for a long time and in a capitalist market it’s on the buyer to do their research and be informed on what they are buying. KPL as a business can charge what they want and the consumer is who decides if that product is successful with their purchases. Also I don’t believe KPL has claimed in any way that they are manufacturing them or that they invented them. I think if there’s someone at all to point a finger at, it would be all the channels who took KPL on as a sponsor and are promoting them as if there isn’t any alternative available to their viewers. Which again, it’s the responsibility of someone taking on a sponsor to know what they are pushing and if they are really doing right by their followers or simply participating in a money grab.

[@bladesandedc]

KPL claimed they were made in the USA until i confronted them. My DM's with them were screen shot and put on my Instagram account. Since that time they have removed the made in the USA logo from the 50 pack, but for some reason left that logo on the smaller pack and the kits they sell which include them. KPL are con artists who are using the American flag to profit off Chinese goods. I am 99% sure their lubricant is also Chinese made and just bottled in Texas, but I am still doing my due diligence to prove that. I agree it is up to the consumer to do their research, but it is fraud to claim something is made in the USA which you are buying from China. As for the channels who are sponsored by KPL and remaining silent, they are grifters IMO. A few of those channels confronted me after I put all this out on KZbin and Instagram and accused me of doing it for clicks.

[@nitrorc4life1]

The swab is your complaint......the oil is on par with any high grade gun oil, your being ripped off buying their oil too. To each their own. Been using lubricants of all types for years, there are better and worse, nothing that is worth 13 dollars for 10ml of that is essentially high grade gun oil. Yes in my opinion your being ripped off, to each their own.

[@Toyotas_n__Tools]

I dont think its a rip off its the fact people dont know what they're called and so kpl is providing a service by offering them with their product line. By the time amazon and shipping takes their cut they might get $4 or $5

[@bladesandedc]

Their site also claimed these were made in the USA, but they I asked them in Instagram and they said that was an error on their website. That may be true, but I doubt it.

[@the.shotgun.approach]

they essentially committed fraud.

[@A-Fern]

Thanks for the heads up. I’ve was thinking of getting the kpl swabs a while back but they seemed way overpriced. After watching this I did a little searching on the old Amazon. I actually found them for even cheaper. $5.50 for 500 on the black ones.

[@mikeyeh7646]

Thank you for this PSA 🙏👏👏👏 Companies need to be called out on these things. 100% margin maybe but never a 1000%!! Unacceptable. Just ordered a 1000 on Amazon.

[@missyoujoel3275]

Those swabs are for free at sephora lol

[@zakariaott]

Greed my friend... Greed. I imagine a lot of companies do this exact thing.

[@bladesandedc]

KPL is claiming these are made in the USA on their website and I doubt that is true. Makes you question what's in those oil bottles. Hey DM me your address on the Gram.

[@Antimatter.]

I have those from a little KPL kit I have , Thanks for the heads up for the swabs if I need some , I have been using Gunny glide pivot lube I think it works better and it smells just as good , I ordered it with the Gunny juice stropping compound that also works amazing

[@bladesandedc]

KPL just responded to me on Instagam and I screenshot their response and posted it there. They aren't made in the USA as their website claims.

[@Japone81]

Thank you it’s people like you who help the community even though people may not want to hear the message

[@STUFFWEDO]

Thank you for the heads-up. Good job.

[@JustinBrown25]

You can buy a pint of mineral oil for $1.99

[@clemansky3320]

Appreciate the heads up! I wasn't interested in the KPL price but I might grab them from Amazon to give to fellow knife friends.

[@bladesandedc]

Thank you for watching!

[@AidyOC]

Thanks for the info..now I know where to get my doo-dads!

[@davidmathews2124]

Hmmm. Well, the head size IS very slightly different on the two different brands. It’s visually obvious. But they are “essentially” the same thing. I ordered the black ones at A…so big thanks for the heads up. They will go well with MY preferred lube…Ardent Reel Butter. I find it superior to the KPL. And it’s $9 for 1 fl oz whereas the KPL goes for $16 for 1/3 fl oz. Soooo…KPL is roughly a third as much “stuff” for about twice the price. Ouch! Great job here. Thanks so much!

[@knifepivotlube412]

Hey! Thought we’d respond here directly! We are just trying to curate useful stuff for the knife community - this isn’t a moneymaker for us or a mainline product. Our price represents what it cost us to get the product shipped over here in bulk, pay customs, get it counted, packaged all by hand and then advertised. When we first found the swabs they were not really available anywhere in the US at reasonable prices that we could find, but it appears that has changed! I can’t imagine how this Amazon seller is making these available at those prices without bypassing customs, but good for them - get them where you can at the best price you can - they’re super useful.

[@bladesandedc]

It's great you removed the Made In The USA from these on your website.

[@roscomcfarland204]

So, how can we be sure you guys are doing the same with your Lubricant? I’ve been a supporter for going on 3 years and I was wondering if you guys could make a video going into detail as to WHAT makes your product better than another lubricant. The technology and testing and such? I’d love to see that in a video

[@knifepivotlube412]

@@roscomcfarland204 Hi Rosco - Check out our KZbin channel for some content on these topics -- we're working on some videos that do an even better job. For what its worth (hopefully my word is worth a lot!) We formulate, mix, bottle, label, and package all of our KPL liquid products right here in Texas from source ingredients provided by US-based chemical synthesizers. In fact, this video from our Instagram channel was taken in my own garage: instagram.com/p/CemVMZ8gw9E/ . We build most of our automation equipment in-house (I'm the designer) and make them with 3d printed parts. Our small team of employees are all local families, my wife and I, and teenagers saving for college. -- Ryan @ KPL

[@CosmicJhana]

KPL, aka Ryan, and his team of lawyers are showing themselves to be complete scumbags. They sent a cease and desist letter to Gunny Juice, trying to bully him through the use of lawyers because he has a “similar” bottle, yet here they are repackaging something already being sold but at greater than 1000% profit. I’m sure he doesn’t make any profit from these swabs just like his comment said. If you ask Ryan, even though he’s selling them at 1000% the price of his nearest competitor, it’s practically a form of community service. What if Pepsi, Coke, or Budweiser sent cease and desist letters to all other beverage companies because everyone’s aluminum cans appear “similar”. Of course it’s infringement of my hard earned “trade dress”, your aluminum cans are also cylindrical, and they contain the exact same amount of ounces by volume. Those are crucial components of my “trade dress”. Change your product at once and start selling it by the gallon!! I have the 12oz can trade dressed from this day forward. What other market forces is KPL and his lawyers attempting to give themselves dominion over besides being able to determine what can or can’t be contained in any particular bottle that’s being sold by any such producers of said bottles. It’s just stupid, would never hold in court, and just shows KPL’s true colors. I have a bottle of KPL 15-weight that’s no longer wanted. Trash. Will never buy from KPL again. What a scumbag!!

[@cyphersuit1]

​​@@roscomcfarland204 i have a few different oils and KPL has the best effect. Gifted it to my knife buddies and they all do agree: KPL does wonders to stiff knives. The swabs .. i thought of them as a gimmick first, but they are super useful. My point is: after trying their products they do not have to prove anything to ME.

[@CHUCKIT]

Caught? Have you ever bought in bulk? The more you buy the cheaper it is. Do you think a small company like kpl buys anywhere near the amount that some large Chinese company that sells on Amazon? Sounds like you've never run a business where you must purchase stock.

[@bladesandedc]

LoL. It amazes me how people come to KPL’s defense. They were marketing these as made in the USA and they aren’t. You do understand that KPL can buy them for the same price I can buy them right? Your argument makes no sense, but thank you for commenting.

[@CloudyShinobi]

Nice catch brother, that’s the last time I buy the kpl’s 1 mm q tips

[@bobkeller8383]

I agree. I feel the same about their lube. I've been on the hunt for quality pivot lube by the quart for like a third the cost?

[@EDCandLace]

They are marking up more then 1000%, sad part is the lubes them selves are not custom blends its some simply lube that they rebranded.

[@bladesandedc]

I kind of figured they were lying about the lubricant once I figured out what they are doing with the swabs. I am surprised more channels aren't calling them out on it. I do have to give KPL credit for their marketing because it is making them a lot of money. If you haven't seen my instagram post were I took screen shots of my DM with KPL you should check it out. They did removed the Made in the USA logo from the 50 pack of swabs, but they left it on all the other listing for swabs or including swabs. I will nover use the products again as soon as my lubricant testing is done. I have already found better lubricant for much less money.

[@jdemeter4357]

Everyone that sells does a hell of a markups, then screams you can't do that.

[@bladesandedc]

Everyone that sells does not claim their product is made in the USA when it is actually made in China so they can jack their prices up. I know some do and KPL is one of those who does it and all should be called out for doing it.

[@lancephilip]

Thanks for the heads up. I’m going to be ordering them on Amazon.

[@lord.needham]

Thanks for speaking up sir.

[@dominickcabal5347]

Mucho thanx for the heads up bro! Dom...

[@ngirardo86]

Just bought 400pk for $6.12 on Amazon.

[@deputyvedc8867]

Thanks for your honestly my brother, I really appreciate you posting this is….!!!!! Sorry for the late comment, I just found your channel and videos, but I think you’re awesome and keep up the good work, hope you have a good day my brother….!!!!!!

[@lanceoutdoors8895]

If you get those dodads on Ebay there even cheaper again.

[@klyyoung2728]

Glad I came across this video. I've never bought any KPL products because I just thought everything with their name is always so expensive. Thanks for posting this video

[@WickedKnivesandThings]

So theres knock offs on everything

[@bladesandedc]

Yes, a USA company claiming their products are made in the USA are actually buying bulk from China, marking them up 1000+%, and selling them to idiots like you.

[@WickedKnivesandThings]

@@bladesandedc what like that bench made you just bought for 590 bucks when it costs about 39 bucks to make?

[@bladesandedc]

@@WickedKnivesandThings I have never paid $590 for a benchmade or any other knife for that matter. With that said Benchmade knives are actually made in the USA. You're a moron. You have unlimited access to information to learn what ever you would like to learn, but here you are.....

[@WickedKnivesandThings]

@@bladesandedc I never said they were not you idiot just stated they sell their garbage for way more than what it costs,simple example you moron.

[@WickedKnivesandThings]

Simple point for a fool like ulyoubis all companies big and small do it so what's the big deal that they do it you fuck tardy

[@SemperFi_EDC_Guy]

Damn! That's pretty crazy! KPL seems to enjoy getting in trouble ( *see Gunny Glide* ) lol

[@dprofessorscritters8762]

Great information ...... thanks 👍

[@TheMillieSmalls]

Why would anyone pay $2 more for a different color disposable swab? Ridiculous

[@bladesandedc]

Great question. Also why would anyone pay $9 for 50 when you can pay $7 for 500?

[@TheMillieSmalls]

@@bladesandedc absurd. For something you use and throw away. I don’t get it

[@sencerr226]

First time trying these doodads after you sent them, and they're great!!

[@bladesandedc]

Glad you like them. They help you to get in those hard spots to get to and to control the amount of lubricant you use so you don't waste it or put too much in there which will gunk up faster.

[@sencerr226]

@@bladesandedc no doubt about it. They come in handy big time. Saved me from taking 2 knives apart already.

[@debauch666]

great content. love this kinda stuff. Thanks for calling them out.

[@DogLegDoug]

Great video, thanks

[@jamesleary1405]

It bothers me I'm not gonna say it doesn't but unfortunately these day's find a company that doesn't repackage. I've learned many companies including outside the knife community does this also. Is it right NO can we stop it NO! Just do you're research is my opinion and buy the bigger deal. It's like another company I've seen some false claims from is EF best know for budget friendly knives on Amazon claiming D2 steel when it's actually been found out it's a far less quality then D2 tool steel. I wrote EF as the name because it's some long half the alphabet name. But anyone who has purchased from them I'm sure you're gonna know who it is based of my EF. I don't use those little swabs but the lube does work great and pretty much exactly as described for each version. But i agree can it be found for cheaper makes you wonder. One thing I've also learned is it's hard finding good maintenance stuff specifically for folding knives. Flitz makes some good polish but i haven't seen any oil's for pivot points etc from them. And Tuff glide is nice but again kinda expensive for such a small tube of it just like kpl oil's it's what like 13 too 15ml bottles!?! Can we buy these at another company in larger amounts? I know I'd like too know and I'm sure mant other's would also. Now yes you can use mineral oil and it's cheap but i do notice a difference from using that and using kpl original so yeah I'd rather the kpl or tuff glide etc over mineral oil. You can buy little empty bottles with needle point applicators so if we can find the same oil in these other brands for cheaper and bigger bottles we can use those needle bottles for applications. Because let's face it besides the fact that kpl oil does work well it's that needle that we all love and the ease it made for us too get the oil where we want pretty accurately.

[@havoso]

How do you know they do that? How do you know that the blue came after kpL ?

[@bladesandedc]

I tagged them in a Instagram post and they admitted they are not made I. The USA and that they are imported.

[@mikejurnak0324]

I agree

[@DerekRC]

I get it man, but they need to make money as well. Imo just don't buy their stuff if you don't want to pay the price. We all have options right? I personally like the company and don't mind paying for their stuff.

[@EZ_Case]

I was just about to purchase the bundle for $40.

[@bladesandedc]

Buy pro shots zero friction and the doo dads i talk about and save youself $20-$30.

[@EZ_Case]

@@bladesandedc thanks

[@paulhanley5811]

agree 100% , thanks for the heads up

[@larrywheeler9797]

I saw this coming at the beginning of the World Wide Web! Snake oil salesman running rampant, not just with oil, but with everything imaginable! 🤷🏻‍♂️ Buyer beware!

[@thechancellor842]

Love there lube but yes for everything else it’s Amazon

[@hawleyfromhell]

Not that they are ripping us off, but yeah they are the same exact, well maybe they are in that case. I just wrote a review on Amazon about this before noticing your video lol. You get 4 bags cheaper than 1 bag of KPL. Love KPL but get these swabs instead.

[@hawleyfromhell]

I can't see on the bag I have but does KPL state they are made in the USA? Wow...

[@bladesandedc]

They used to claim they were made in the USA on their website until I made this video and called them out on Instagram. They have removed that from these swabs now. Also each of those bags have 100 in them and the KPL bag only has 50. So you get 500 for less than the cost of 50 at KPL. I screen shot my DM's with KPL and put them on Instagram back when I made this video so the conversation is still there if you want to search back through all my Instagram posts.

[@cvltzilla]

amazon 1200 count $10. 😅😅😅

[@thecarproconnoisseur5412]

Not gunna lie..it’s kind of bullshit that you claim they are the exact ones and kpl is buying from that other company..you don’t really know for sure..if you came out and said there was a better, cheaper alternative… that’s a different story

[@bladesandedc]

Thanks for watching.

[@thecarproconnoisseur5412]

@@bladesandedc no prob big dog

[@zurich_edc2511]

Thats really ugly

[@cemetarygates2800]

Pigs get fat...Hogs get slaughtered!

[@bladesandedc]

I would say sheep get taken advantage of and it is all too common for people in the knife community to get taken advantage of. KPL is one of the wolves out there trying to take as much as they can from any available victim.

[@zap...]

Check yourself before you wreck yourself.

[@ScottieG59]

Well done

[@111macdruid111]

Shop where you want to. It's called free enterprise. Buy from China and save money comrade. It's up to you.

[@bladesandedc]

You are missing the point. They were advertising these as Made in the USA and the ones they are selling are made in china also but I agree, shop where you want.

[@Ohmed_88]

I can't believe all the people in these comments literally defending kpl... I love there lube.. but this is just ridiculous.. at the very least they could charge half the price they are charging.. but to sell 50 for 2 dollars more then a 500 pack?? Ya keep loving ur capitalism.. what a joke! When capitalism crumbles one day hopfully good men will show u a better system that actually already been done before but destroyed and u were all lied to about it. Righteousness will return whether anyone likes it or not. Democracy and capitalism is a joke!

[@JustinBrown25]

Kpl is scented mineral oil trust me

[@akquicksilver]

Yup, and their oil is probably 3in1 with some dye in it.

[@bladesandedc]

Thanks for watching. They are shady for sure. I have some videos I’m doing testing different lubricants. Currently I have tested Sentry Tuf-Glide, KPL Original, Pro-Shot Zero Friction, and Gunny Glide. Pro Shot is the most affordable at $8 for 30ml and works every bit as well as KPL and also has no odor. I am currently comparing it to Gunny Glide and will be testing others also. I have a playlist for them in here on my channel.

[@cyphersuit1]

I sense a lot of unnecessary negative energy here. KPL is great. Lots of Makers, collectors and users love KPL. Don't playa hate.

[@bladesandedc]

I think it is super necceasary to call them out. You know at the time they had them as being made in the USA on their website. Since this video they removed that from the website. I am not here to judge and if you are ok with paying more than 10x for the exact same thing then feel free to waste your money where you choose to do so.

[@stephenshanebeaty]

What are they even used for? I've watched hundreds of knife videos and never once seen them used.