Kratos Remembers The Boat Captain and Asks for Forgiveness - God of War Ragnarok Valhalla Memory

[@Jo-Wilbe-Dina]

_"But the Hydra was just an animal... I showed him what a _*_True Monster_*_ looks like."_ God....

[@corexyz]

That line goes so hard.

[@nonspiderweb]

... Of War.

[@dforman4770]

@@nonspiderwebyou win lol

[@Valerio_the_wandering_sprite]

Probably a reference to what Ares told Kratos before their battle: "You have no idea what a true monster is, Kratos!"

[@Dahaka-rd6tw]

Mimir: Well, at least he got rest in peace in the end, right Brotha? Kratos: ....... Mimir: Brotha?

[@addictedtochocolate920]

I am almost sure the captain was added to the classic games as comedic relief; Kratos being cruel was oftentimes portrayed in a morbidly humoristic way. To see them take that gag and use it to reflect on how the character feels now that he has matured, along with the audience, Santa Monica as a studio, and even the industry itself, is beyond surreal, but also satisfying.

[@LarryBonson]

I like it when it was a gag some times it's not good to ruin past memories.

[@KopitioBozynski]

There was no "maturing" that was done let alone needed to be done. It's a videogame about a fictional character in a flanderized setting and not some work of philosophy. If anything the gaming industry has regressed in maturity considering a game like the original God of War wouldn't even be allowed to exist today without a horde of pearl clutchers screeching for it's cancellation.

[@frenchynoob]

"Matured" is a strong word there...

[@Grz349]

I always felt like it was due to Kratos being Spartan who would expect the captain to fight/remain until the end. But he panicked putting his crew at risk and making Kratos’s job harder than it would have been otherwise.

[@edwardlewis4724]

​@KopitioBozynski There's consequences to framing a story for a young audience with no reflection on the cruelty of its charcaters. People like you grow up without questioning their lack of empathy thinking that shits normal, you're not normal touch grass.

[@BHuang92]

Boat Captain: Please save me! Young Kratos: 🗿 Old Kratos: Please forgive me! Boat Captain: 🗿

[@shawnofdanaukota3843]

YOU AGAIN??!!

[@phoenixcapricorn8702]

DLC brings all players on a spiritual mission to confront their past and move to a new chapter

[@Valerio_the_wandering_sprite]

I didn't come back for you. *sends Kratos back to Valhalla's entrance* NOOOoooooo....

[@ryanhernandez5632]

Just wait till he tells him how Kratos still ruined the captains life after his death

[@jacobfreeman8198]

I think if I remember correctly the captain died 3 times 2 by kratos one by the barbarian king I don’t know if i am right tho so please correct me if I’m wrong

[@jeremiahscott2032]

@@jacobfreeman8198yup 1. Hydra-GOW 1 2. Hell-GOW2 3. Barbarian king that fought Kratos from GOW1-GOW4 prequel comic

[@sanstheskeleton8104]

@@jacobfreeman8198 First time in GoW 1 by the hydra, the second time in Gow 1 when the captain was hanging to a cliff in Hades, the third time in GoW 2 when the resurrected barbarian king summoned the dead.

[@LaFlame90210]

@@sanstheskeleton8104 Yup

[@diegopadilla3649]

He is also in GOW 3 in a tortured soul note in Hades blaming Kratos for his death

[@thecommentguy9380]

kratos: what a regretful thing i did players: lmao the boat captain cant catch a break

[@jacqmarthy536]

It was passable as humor for the time, and the players were mostly not yet adults, despite the rating. I guess the thing i like the most about the franchise is that the games matched the interests of the audience, back then when we were all in edgy phase, and now when we are more mature.

[@felixortiz257]

boat captain-"THANK YOU! thank the Gods you came back for me. Kratos- "I didnt come back for you..." Boat Captain- "NOOOOOOOOooooooooooo"

[@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக்]

I always saw it as Kratos being annoyed by him saying "Thank the Gods", maybe if he didn't say that he would've survived.

[@michaelscott5653]

And then Kratos proceeds to kill him in the afterlife as well 🤣

[@JomarItucas-vn8tk]

Boat captain: YOU AGAIN!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!god of war 1

[@JomarItucas-vn8tk]

Boat captain: Huh? Oh no, NOT YOU AGAIN?!! god of war 2

[@shiroamakusa8075]

@@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக் Kratos was serving the gods at that point.

[@eduardomagana3858]

Not to mention Kratos kinda screwed the Boat Captain three times over. In the Hydra, in the Underworld, and with the Barbarian King. It’s doubtful that the Captain’s Soul could’ve ever found rest.

[@Rohsga]

I was expecting kratos to continue the story on how he met the captain again in hell

[@michaelrhodes3285]

Don’t forget the barbarian fight where he’s extremely unlucky enough to be summoned by the hammer.

[@nanashialfarr]

and his message in god 3 if I'm not mistaken.

[@CyberSonic-V3.0]

Yeah feel it was a missed opportunity to go further into his actions against the captain. Some lines of dialogue among the lines of “to be so casually cruel not just once but multiple times I.. for all my anger against the gods I treated their subjects no better. This man was no warrior or beast, he was a man who was treated as nothing by a god. Much like my wife and daughter were treated as nothing by Ares.”

[@Ch_aIN_saW._Men22]

Its good that they acknowledge the previous games

[@InsanoRider777]

I'm guessing you haven't actually played the last two games then.

[@Ch_aIN_saW._Men22]

​@@InsanoRider777actually i have played all gow games ;)

[@bluesnake1713]

Well if Valhalla Conjures the mind of those who enters through its gate, Greece having to be there in Kratos' path into Valhalla, then certainly all of his past deeds are surely to be shown again.

[@off-beatdrummer]

@@Ch_aIN_saW._Men22 it sounds weird then that you seem like it's all new to you that they acknowledge previous games before Kratos went to the Norse realm. Cause the Norse saga games have been acknowledging what Kratos did in his past life. It was even like recurring major obstacles in Kratos's quest to become a better person. If you played all the games then it should not be weird to you that they acknowledged what Kratos did in the Greece saga. Cause it's actually a vocal point for Kratos' character development.

[@AutumnOnFire]

"Brother, look, it seems Valhalla has dropped off another memory. Aye, it seems to be a silk dress, some chains, and a tiara. Care to explain what this signifies?" "This.. this is was not a proud moment." "It's all right brothah, you know you can confide in me." "During my war against the gods, I sunk into a god's domain. There he enslaved a woman who begged me to spare her. I did not care for her well-being, only her usefulness." "Brother, I imagine you were in the heat of the moment and-" "I used her to hold open a gate." "That don't sound too ba-" "Knowing full well her body would not keep up with the weight." "Oh." "Ultimately, she succumbed to the wheel I propped her on. I cared not for the outcome." "Well... try not to do that again."

[@KaranGoswamikenz]

I’m pretty sure the “killed many who were not deserving” specifically refers to her.

[@CyberSonic-V3.0]

If i’m correct there was this time Kratos was on the side of a building and a man came out out of the window. I think he lost his family and dammed the gods much like Kratos had done only for Kratos to slam his head on the side of the building and kill him so that he would get out of his way.

[@MassStarvation]

To add Kratos’s regret. He helped the Captain of a Ship in GoW 2018 where his crewmates were corrupted because he could do nothing since he is a spirit at that point. Kratos helped the Captain find peace for the crew and for him.

[@PaladinJackal]

I'm so glad this was added. I still remember when I was a little kid and my Dad got the first God of War. I watched him play and was confused and shocked at the "hero" of the story murdering that boat captain. Really affected me back then.

[@Diamond_2403]

Kratos: Did I mention I also killed him two more times? Mimir: ...What?

[@abdulazimnaushad]

Well it’s technically one time cos he was.m dead the other two times

[@Seeker_of_Truth_and_Beauty]

Damn, Christopher. You are an immensely talented actor to capture that emotion.

[@Ch_aIN_saW._Men22]

The boat captain also apear in gow 2 as a ghost when we fight the barbarian king

[@abrahamayala8663]

He was in ghost of Sparta as well I’m pretty sure when he goes to the underworld

[@islas357]

You see him again in Hades in the first game

[@Ch_aIN_saW._Men22]

@@islas357 haha its true

[@rafaeltiburcio6624]

You also find his note in god of war 3 at the start

[@kentendo2672]

I think he's mentioned or makes an appearance in every game except Chains of Olympus and Ascension. Nice to know the Boat Captain still haunts the dreams of the development team 😂

[@davidmaldonadov]

So, Kratos didn't actually "meet" the women and they were all "dead" when he arrived. Huh, that's not how I remember it.

[@Valerio_the_wandering_sprite]

Well, the undead legionaries had slaughtered them just before Kratos entered the room.

[@rafaeltiburcio6624]

Yeah I think those 2 extra women at the start of the greece mission were new

[@addictedtochocolate920]

Kratos had a vision when he was fighting those monsters of him murdering his family, that's why you think he also killed the fisherman's family, but those were the monsters

[@miriamemanueleforneris3701]

Yup, the girls were pretty much "alive" and ready for something.....

[@babrad]

That captain had abducted 2 of Aphrodite's daughters who were killed by the Legion of Death before Kratos could get to them. The other 2 women for the first-ever "mini-game" are random.

[@mariogamesandanime3498]

Kratos: "I regret many things. Killing the boat captain was one of them".😲😲

[@h3rtzy887]

If they kept on the morbid humor track, on the 3rd dialogue they could have referenced the start of the underworld section of GoW 1 “even in death my cruelty to him remained, and in the underworld I needlessly cast him down yet again”

[@arthurmorgan1724]

Thank you Santa Monica for caring about us,greek god of war fans .

[@newhybrid101]

The REAL God of War fans Not the God Of Soy fans

[@Alex-dm7fx]

@@newhybrid101 Lol, What are you yapping about?

[@jonasfadi8213]

​@@newhybrid101go cry in a corner kid

[@Holy-Of-Dogs]

​@@newhybrid101 ?

[@Nobodysurvivesevenonebit]

The guilt is too heavy

[@Tahoi5678]

I love how the achievement is just: "You again" It harkens back to the old games. Kratos met this boat captain not once but 3 seperate times. The first when he condemned the captain to his death, the second when he was falling into the underworld for the first time, and the last when he was summoned during his fight with the barbarian king. Each time incredulously remarking that it was Kratos again.

[@Therake2602]

In gow 3 he wrote a paper which you can find about how he suffer in Hades by Kratos AND he damm him for His eternity suffering.

[@paulmann8570]

I was almost expecting him to show up and be like "No...NOT YOU AGAIN!"

[@abdulazimnaushad]

Well at the trophy is named You Again? 😂

[@addictedtochocolate920]

"The killing of the boat captain FOR it"? I seem to remember getting the key or not had nothing to do with dropping the poor dude to his death... Two times.

[@islas357]

You see the captain again in Hades and then in GOW2 when the barbarian resurrects him as a ghost.

[@MindfulnessGamer]

Kratos talking about this story also unlocked a memory from my childhood. I still remember fighting that hydra on the boat for the first time back in 2005. Feels like it was yesterday

[@AdrianMartinez-en1nb]

You know I'm surprised to be honest because I'm surprised for the fact that these gods of their lands well I mean despite the fact that they live in their own lands in isolation and being away from each other to mind each other's businesses but they all know what's going on outside of their homes

[@ghouldave862]

Tyr is known in game to travel all the different gods realms and valhalla is like helhiem where it uses your own memories against you

[@MHAOvercharged]

I feel like the Norse gods seems to be more chill and easy going compared to the Greece gods. Which I really like.

[@SympatheticStrawmanVA]

Super excited for the God of Boat spinoff game, cant wait to play it

[@NipplesTheEnchilada2323]

I like the fact that the Trophy given for getting the Key three times is a line from the Boat Captain.

[@grimmywizard]

Boat Captain: don't you summon me anymore SantaMonica 😂

[@trickster3696]

Well, he was an Athenian and Kratos is a Spartan, pretty sure those city states hated each other, which may have had something to do with it. Not justifying just pointing out a detail.

[@babrad]

It had nothing to do with that. First, the captain abandoned his crew for his own safety (coward), then in the books we learned that he had abducted 2 daughters of Aphrodite but Kratos didn't save them because the Legion of Death got to them first (the 2 other women for the minigame were random)

[@Drippy_Blerd]

This video and scene perfectly demonstrates why David Jaffe's comments on the new and in the Santa Monica is going is this stupid. He said he don't want the developers pushing their life experiences on his character, but this isn't anyone's life experiences. This is a grown man owning up to the fact that he was just an asshole and he needed to be better. They took a scene that Jaffe used for an earlier game as a joke I made it a point of self-reflection. The boat captain popped up all three games just to die again and again and it was hilarious, but if you think about what you did in real world logic it was a really messed up thing to do. To be a grown man and his like late forties and have that opinion is just wanting to have this power fantasy is just crazy.

[@SeriousDragonify]

Boat Captain: You want forgiveness? Get religion.

[@solidraiden17]

Kratos : Gonna cry ?

[@billyblazkowicz2263]

Im gonna put some guilt in your eye

[@nickson_2024]

In gow 3 you go to hades domain after being struck by zeus on gaia and you go through all the caves and caverns and find a letter that says about the boat captain and his key then his last words were. Curse the ghost of sparta !

[@kienphucnguyen2001]

Yeah true. I saw what he did to the boat guy. One of the people didn’t deserve to die by kratos. (From the first god of war game)

[@JavJ01]

Well the boat captain did lock the women and abandoned them to death for his own selfish survival. However this guys really manage reappear somehow he escaped climbing out tartarus later get throw by kratos and then summon by a barbarian king and kill again by kratos

[@capitatecab6049]

What was he supposed to do exactly? Like Kratos said, he had 0 chance against the Hydra, he would’ve died either way just like everyone else on the ship and to no one’s shock, he died

[@SympatheticStrawmanVA]

Watch him show up as an endgame boss 3 more games down the line

[@hunterg.1300]

No, he locked the women to try in a desperate attempt to protect them. Quit trying to make Kratos' past actions seem less awful when he himself admits that he had no reason to do so.

[@lashonnakennybrew4847]

Man I think the most hardest of all all times will always be what he's done to an innocent human being who was once a boat captain Kratos only wants nothing more from an old boat captain is forgiveness for what he's done to him he held that man in his life with his hands and treated him like he was nothing now if he wants is forgiveness from the boat captain

[@williamhoseki]

Boat Captain :"No, not you again."

[@productivestruggle9489]

"YOU AGAIN?!"

[@gianfrancoortizvera6161]

He should have told also how he dropped him to the river Styx and how he killed him again when he was summoned by that barbarian

[@Gogetarockz999]

This made me cry.

[@abdulazimnaushad]

I like how the trophy is called You again? 😂😂😂

[@devidrachan]

Kratos:..Also, that onr time, i used him as a ledge and threw him into the river styx, then killed him a 3rd time when he was summoned as a ghost. Mimir: im sorry what?

[@istheanimeking777]

I was wondering why the boat captain wasn't mentioned in this game. Hes in everyone including the last on. Awesome they saved it for this. Story has come full circle Well till we get a reference in the next games. XD

[@Assassino275]

He was referenced in every game and appeared in the first two

[@istheanimeking777]

@@Assassino275 that's what I said and he was in all 3 games of the first series. 2 in the first Serving the the Barbarian leader in second And some point in the underworld in the third game In God of War 4 he was referenced in one of the treasure maps

[@MaxNMotion]

Kratos references him in his journal entry after the “Weight of Chains” side mission in Svartalfheim.

[@Gantros]

Surprised that Kratos didn’t reveal that he kicked the captain while he was way down during his escape from Hades.

[@Therake2602]

AND killed him again when was summoned by barbarian king XD.

[@Seven_Leaf]

He's really ashamed I guess. It's haunted his thoughts for hundreds of years now. The boat captain might've been a coward, but he was pretty tough, not tough enough though.

[@SlavinRagnavoire]

Kratos : i didn't comeback for you Boat Cap : NOOOOOO

[@Sercil00]

I came here to hear the full story. In my playthrough, I just kept walking. Then, some boring random enemies popped up on the way, Mimir went "hold up, brother, there's enemies, lets continue this later" - "Very well". After they were beaten, they didnt continue the story. I like how the game bridges travel times with dialogue, but a lot of the time, it meant I had to row the boat or steer the sleigh in circles until they finally finished. Otherwise, they'd break up in the middle of it. Yes, they often pick up the dialogue again later, but sometimes they don't.

[@Ashtonhere]

Actually Kratos killed boat captain 2 times in a row first was drop him in side hydra second was in hell where hes stabbed captain just to climb up 😅

[@juriansan019]

3 times actually in GoW 2 a Barbarian king summon a soul to fight Kratos suddenly one of the soul that appeared to be Boat Captain.

[@Ashtonhere]

@@juriansan019 i just remember that you mention 😂 sound like santa monica has a beef with him

[@xorngoh7303]

@@Ashtonhere He was mentioned in GOW3 too. There's a note written by one of the Tortured Souls that blamed Kratos for his death. Even in GOW4 (2018), one of the treasure maps lead to one of the boat captain's boats, which was then looted by Kratos...

[@abdulazimnaushad]

Wouldn’t it be one time coz he was technically dead the other two times.

[@dracodracarys2339]

0:50 Didn't the Hydra have at least five, maybe more?

[@renemuz2568]

Funny that we met that old captain again as a ghost or a soul 😂😂 i forgot which God of war game part was that but yeah 😂😂😂

[@ekamandalaputra5517]

GOW2

[@rickkhemai1443]

Gow 2

[@chubbyninja89]

I know a lot of people criticize God of War: Ragnarok for various things, such as throwing some black people into freaking *Norse* Mythology just to virtue signal and all, but I do think that little moments like this are actually good things. I mean, as badass as Kratos was in the past, he was pretty much just a screaming angry murder man, who was pretty justified in seeking his revenger, but he was still quite the asshole. I just think that while Kratos shouldn't spend all his time regretting the things he did in the past, having him acknowledge his mistakes every now and then is perfectly fine.

[@jacobwyatt1314]

Wait, why did Kratos look like his younger self at one moment?

[@Ch_aIN_saW._Men22]

Yes, its a skin

[@edgarmejia172]

@@Ch_aIN_saW._Men22legit or mod ?

[@Prince__Teclis]

​@edgarmejia172 Legit i think, I believe it's obtainable as a reward for completing the DLC.

[@demonhunterx7094]

​@@Prince__Teclis It looks like the skin mod I've seen people using before the DLC was released.

[@TriumphantChadwick]

“You again?!?!” *Kratos kicks him down to Tartarus* “AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!”

[@TK-is7re]

That last line tho…very nice touch

[@dcspidey1218]

With he mentioned the next 2 times he killed him

[@Taverens_Pull]

I'm the novelization, it was revealed that the captain was actually a slaver and were taking the woman to be sold as slaves. Kratos should never feel sorry for him.

[@Komix777]

The novelization added things never intended by the developers, and this is one of things, meant to justify Kratos' actions.

[@Taverens_Pull]

@Komix777 and yet in the DLC they justified ripping off helios' head. What's more redeemable? Killing a slaver or ripping someone's head off while they're conscious and use the head as a flashlight?

[@raymicheals4127]

In the novel the boat captain was a slave trader honestly he kinda deserved it but i like that Kratos feels he could spare those but regrets when he didn't

[@Mastermav11]

Not gonna bring up how he also killed him a second and third time

[@RazSofer-xh3qs]

Kratos picked up the key of his sin three times. Jesus fell holding the cross three times for the sins of humanity… including Kratos’s.

[@angramainyu8596]

More like Three times Kratos kill him or leave him to death iirc. 2 Times in GOW 1 and 1 in GOW 2

[@bizzaroblake2519]

​​@@angramainyu8596we saw him three times but had writing cursing him or someone telling the captains story in god of war 2018

[@nkondilis1997]

@@angramainyu8596 ah yes, a yeet into a hydra, a yeet into river styx and then the barbarian chieftan accidentally trolled him... I hope the poor captain ended up in the fields of Elysium or at least in some kind of better place...

[@Kingcheese777]

where in the bible does it say jesus fell 3 times holding the cross?

[@felixortiz257]

Second encounter- Hades Boat Captain- "Let go fool! you won't drag me down to that CURSED RIVER!!!" Kratos- "There is a task left for me above, I will see it completed" Boat Captain- "YOU AGAIN!" Kratos- "kicked in the face" Boat Captain- "AAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!"

[@foodmr2022]

hahahahaah to this day he remembers the captain hahaha good times

[@sidpatel77]

Kratos man... sometimes bro just teaches you about life

[@CaptainPilipinas]

(00:15-00:17). in-versal there: .... ....just one more unfortunate/etc victim added in the rest of kratos' (for a big example over there in GOW universe's europe) long history of Scrap. though....not killed in greenland. Real Life viewers: just some constant comical gag, from back then that kept on happening a few times during in kratos' (first saga) rampaging tendencies. hm.

[@demonslayer5122]

Now we need the Princess Kratos used as a temporary door stop...

[@eliazarcone]

And the Last Argonaut, killed to jam some wheels

[@newhybrid101]

The boat captain had literally held these women captive as sex slaves from what i remember.

[@meldrickedwards1892]

That doesn't excuse Kratos dropping him into the Hydra's stomach.

[@howboutno412]

@@meldrickedwards1892 it does.

[@KenshiImmortalWolf]

I saw a video of w hat happens when you don't die in the forced in run, and there is a comment about unrequited love for freya that gets interrupted, if you can, you should try to find this dialogue tree as It may be interesting to see the full thing as it may either solidify or kill the Freya kratos ship

[@yokgor4675]

They should've talked about the Poseidon Princess, that is in my opinion, the cruelest death caused by Kratos in God of War 3, and arguably in the whole series. That's the only death that genuinely disturbed me, and I felt so bad for her.

[@warriorofcelestia]

yeah. we couldn't have just used the carcass of an enemy. or shoved a spear in there?

[@silenthero2795]

The princess' death, while utterly cruel, still served some purpose for Kratos. It's also the same with the translators in the Fate's temple, Icarus, King Midas and the like but the boat captain's death has in no way would help Kratos at all. Others died for his benefit but this one got killed not out of need but just pure malice in Kratos' part and that's why Kratos couldn't forget him.

[@yokgor4675]

@@silenthero2795 Not the same with the translators, Icarus, and King Midas. They all were the only ones that possesses certain abilities that Kratos needs. Kratos could’ve used anyone or anything to jam that gate, but he chose the only person who was helpless and unable to defend herself inside Poseidon’s chamber to be the sacrifice, it is an entirely optional choice for him to kill her, and he chose it.

[@silenthero2795]

​@@yokgor4675 I always thought the princess was needed for that specific part because surely, you cannot jam those huge gears by just her body alone. It's also the same in Pandora's temple where you sacrifice a soldier when Kratos can just throw a random mindless enemy inside the cage. There's always some sort of sacrifice in these games but even if it was true that Kratos could just jam the gears with anything else, him killing the boat captain still gives him no benefit whereas he still benefited with that princess' death, cruel and needless it may be.

[@yokgor4675]

@@silenthero2795 You confused me at your first sentence. You think the princess is needed in that specific part, and then you said surely her body can’t jam those gears? Never mind that…I get your ultimate point. But there’s another thing I disagree is that it’s the same with the soldier being sacrificed in Pandora’s temple. The sacrifice in Pandora Temple probably requires a live human, a mindless undead most likely wouldn’t sufficed, and the soldier is the only human alive besides Kratos. Here with the jamming of the gate’s gear, the solution is much more simpler, you just need to find a thing to jam it, simple physics, no sacrificing to the supernatural stuff needed. The circumstances is much different. Kratos could totally find some mindless creatures or something hard to jam it. Still think it is totally unnecessary for him to kill her. I get that the boat Captain is the more famous victim of Kratos, but can we pls at least give her an honourable mention or something? The girl probably spent her entire life getting abused by Poseidon, and eventually died with fear while begging Kratos to not leave her, that shit sad bruh

[@bengopalmi80]

Where do you actually find the keys?

[@Jean-ol5jx]

How do you find the boat keys? Edit: nvm I found them

[@dancaiman5551]

I love that they take a recurring gag in the original trilogy and then realized how fucked up it actually was that Kratos could have just saved with one simple movement of his arm, it always bothered me when he did those kinds of things in the original trilogy because they just felt edgy and only detracted from the sympathy we were feeling for the character when he wasn't yet a legitimate monster like in GOW 3, to see them use this not with shame but to further develop Kratos Character just puts a smile on my face

[@Cleverconveyence]

Right? They were fun games, but they were pretty tasteless at times. Like to the point of being corny

[@nathanielmarks4872]

Why people feel sorry for the boat captain he was the one that killed those woman

[@FirstnameLastname-my7bz]

But he doesn't talk he he also pushed him down int Heides?

[@anhnguyen-e4j3g]

look like kratos dont event care what he did with that poor man's soul after his death.

[@maikilreategui1271]

From GOW 1, GOW 2 and now the GOW Ragnorak valhalla. The consistency i love it

[@mateuscristianschannelen961]

And you can find his diary ranting about Kratos killing him in GOW. Out of the main games, only GOW 2018 he doesn't show up in any shape.

[@xavierkhilkov2140]

Funny that the name of the trophy it’s “You Again” hahaha.

[@shawnofdanaukota3843]

No! Not you again?!

[@Hustlery]

Kratos killed him like three times

[@Holy-Of-Dogs]

2:16

[@dforman4770]

On top of that, Kratos killed him twice

[@snakekingblues3017]

well damn awesome to see him reflect on his past action

[@hansalanson3497]

I've said it in another video, but I'd say it again: this feels like the writers reminding people as spelled-out as they can be artistic about it, that Kratos' past depravity and the negative retrospective outlook that people have upon it, both within the media and the audience/players themselves, was UNLIKELY misguided or oversimplified. There's just an alarmingly rampant discourse trying to give "depth" to Kratos' past self and stories that lean upon the conclusion that what he became and did were justified or within reasonable stretches.

[@randomusername3873]

Except that kratos is shown to be wrong about that Not the captain, but about being just a mindless monster He literally says that in the final monologue

[@hansalanson3497]

@@randomusername3873 Because the newer games made him chose to be that way, which the creator apparently did not like.

[@christopheraustin5915]

I like how this joke from the first game is recontextualized.

[@amon__7187]

Made this so important for no reason. Its not that serious

[@IDKMBBS]

You again?

[@masteraqua2408]

Should also do the same to poseidon's slave His cousin That girl did him literally nothing and just want to escape

[@Dragnarok1]

Oh brother that was a joke character. Emphasis on the "character" part.

[@rickkhemai1443]

so let me get thos straight. the Valhalla free dlc is Kratos going to therapy ? am i seeing this correctly ? because im all for it

[@manusiabumi7673]

More or less, yes

[@uninspiredrambler]

What about Poseidon's sex slave from the 3rd game that Kratos used to hold open a door until it crushed her? Do they ever acknowledge that?

[@Goomba1309]

Nope. And that's weird...

[@CommanderBacara]

​@@Goomba1309 well...kratos has killed so many innocents...i don't think they have enough time show all of it...they only show us the kills which affects kratos much

[@АртурКалюш]

I think Ragnarok was a masterpiece. It took all the great aspects of the original ones and made almost all of them genuinely better, while turning what (according to the original game director) was designed to be a completely mindless character into an actual character of good value and writing. Nevertheless…. I do feel like Valhalla did practically nothing original. Kratos is suddenly not just “a changed man” that went from a complete monster to doing the right thing and even listening to others (Mimir in particular), but the most self-aware open and talkative guy in the North. Still, it is not neccesarily the problem, but it does contribute to all the rest of the Valhalla story and dialogue being served rather as a “ 100% fan service”, while in fact it is just the references, much worse and less charasmatic dialogue and hints of romance club. All of it is not a problem if it is driven by the story instead of merely excused by it + I do believe despite he has evidently changed as a character he feels way to far from himself and just soft in the DLC. I don’t know how much time did the writing team have and some parts of the story are good (Tyr, general idea), but the boat captain story just feels completely off. He killed a ton more innocent people including Elysium souls, while captain was a joke that in my opinion did not need reinterpretation For the very least if he fought his final self it would be more climactic than just self-aware talk

[@liamfrye722]

Kratos killed him Three times

[@warhammerguy]

Do they ever reference the innocent woman that was killed by Kratos by forcing her to hold up a mechanism to open a door before her body crushed to a pulp. While the boat captain scenes was framed as morbidly comedic I remember that specific act made many players think Kratos went to far. It was nothing funny about it, it was just pure cruelty.

[@angryman1206]

So what? The Captain died because he was weak. And the weak have no value other than to be eaten by the strong. Kratos was under no obligation to help him. After all, if you constantly worry about the ants under your feet you'll never be able to walk.

[@EmptyMan000]

Says another weak one. The only ones who says such things are weaklings who fixate on strength, less they be "eaten" or crushed like ants.

[@Yamidm.89]

And then kratos killed him again in gow 2

[@bringerd1936]

With old age comes regret

[@josephroszell]

So I'm just waiting for him feeling bad about sticking that chick into gears

[@catnoirlover1719]

Funny that this dlc is all about Kratos begging for forgiveness from probably most of his victim and yet..... We didn't even met the girls that he forcefully "o" them🤣 Mimir will be soo awkward if something like that happen

[@Madheim777]

Uhh, the girls in gow 1 were more than happy to having "o" since they were with him, in gow 2 the women he finds in Rhodas as well, and in Chains of Olympus/Ghost of Sparta dude literally had "o" with at least more than 5 women AT THE SAME TIME 😂😂😂

[@catnoirlover1719]

@@Madheim777 well i mean, maybe he didn't wear any protection and thus the girls had babies but their father left to go get Milk So it can technically count as a sins Unless Kratos "pullout game" is strong during that part🤣

[@GhostOfSparta305]

Ugh, these new Santa Monica writers have no idea who GoW1 Kratos was. And maybe also have no idea how depression works. GoW1 Kratos was a broken dude, who had only ONE goal keeping him from suicide. The world also hated him, even after serving the gods for 10 years (remember that first civilian you meet on the ship who says “I would rather die than be saved by you!”). Ragnarok’s writers say it “would have cost Kratos nothing” to show the boat captain mercy. Yeah? Well, it also cost nothing to just let him die and get the key. Because that’s what happens when you’re depressed: you have tunnel vision for the ONE thing that might pull you out of it, and have little regard for everything else. That’s the point. “Morality” isn’t a priority for a guy who’s been shunned by the world. The boat captain could have lived or died, and Kratos would still have been the same miserable, broken soul that he was. So why wouldn’t Kratos just do what was easier / more pertinent to his immediate goal? This is why it’s idiotic to make such a big deal out of his death the way Ragnarok does. You know you’ve drastically misunderstood something when you try to turn a comic relief character into some kind of martyr.

[@silenthero2795]

The whole world doesn't actually hate him, just his enemies. Kratos is well respected in Sparta, even in Olympus as he was made a champion more than once. The oracle of Delphi, Orkos (son of Ares), the King of Sparta and the whole of Sparta held great respect for Kratos. Even if his own enemies (Theseus, Perseus or Hercules) say derisive things about him, they still acknowledge Kratos' accomplishments. His depression stems from his blind rage being manipulated by the gods to their benefit, not that everyone hates him as if he's some sort of outcast. The first civilian you meet is an Athenian, Sparta's enemy at the time, so he would rather die than be saved by an enemy. Another example is when Kratos unknowingly killed his own soldier back in GoW2 and still that soldier didn't blame him as he understood both were manipulated to kill each other. If someone misunderstood something then you may need to look back on the series as you're missing some crucial points about Kratos.

[@randomusername3873]

So you argue that depressed people don't have morals? Are you on drugs?

[@mmaScholar99]

I understand why people like this, but come on, this game has Kratos apologising for everything he did in the OG games, it's like an indirect way of the writers telling the fans that they hate the OG trilogy. They even put in kratos apologizing for what he did to this captain, yeah, it was bad, but I feel like they're making that moment into a much bigger deal then it was. They do not need to make kratos apologize for literally everything he did in the OG trilogy.

[@meldrickedwards1892]

No. They're just showing that Kratos was just as heinous as the gods he despised.

[@mmaScholar99]

@@meldrickedwards1892 Not quite, the og games did show that there was still some humanity left in him.

[@randomusername3873]

They spent half of the dlc telling him he wasn't just all evil, wtf

[@miriamemanueleforneris3701]

The 2 girls were very "alive" when you meet them, isnt that true, Kratos 😏😏?? It break me from laughting that he didnt tell the truth

[@quangnguyentrung647]

Those are the different women. The women in the quarter were being killed by the legion of death by the time Kratos arrived

[@Priyana_Eagle]

Now I remember how I butcher that Old pathetic thing,crossing my path over n over again,even in hell... Dikslaves😂