Kratos Tells Freya About His Dead Family In Greece Scene - God of War 5 Ragnarok PS5 (4K 60FPS)

God of War Ragnarok Kratos opens up to Freya and tells her about his dead family from Greece, about his daughter Caliope, his brother Deimos, and how he destroyed Zeus and Gods of olympus for vengeance scene
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[@astreusastresus198]

@@ugn154 Bro actin like you gonna see him in person😭😭😭

[@novapixel16]

Freya : You think you can even begin to understand the pain of losing a child?. Kratos : Bitch I'm wearing their ashes.

[@nikaelkeanretiza1074]

I'm wearing my dead family drip ashes

[@Mysteryof89]

I'm really surprised he didn't mention that to her

[@Baphelon]

@@Mysteryof89 yea, I'd say that's more of a 3rd-4th date conversation...

[@naphilim6666]

@@Baphelon lol

[@joshuasterling2144]

@@Baphelon Let her pay for the appetizers and drinks first...LOL

[@emadeka525]

The fact that Kratos *chooses* to open up his past to Freya really shows his growth. Just as Faye said, open your heart to the world and you'll find reasons to live in it.

[@Alexminecrafter1]

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[@truthoftheuniverse4179]

kratos is one lucky do ghaem 6 need to be about lucifer

[@Harman.s.ghotra]

True

[@heykrazy5436]

And thats why's he's going to tap for the rest of eternity 😏

[@ibramblebush]

@@heykrazy5436 Yeah, I think Kratos and Freya will become married. It seems like they built that way and would be good ending for Kratos ending his reign as a God of War to Atreus.

[@brunoflores9388]

The tone on his voice when he says he has burned Olympus to the ground sounds like in that moment he remember the anger he felt at that time

[@ssjkris3113]

Kinda felt the words he said when kratos said" burn this village to the ground"

[@xiphos8219]

He doesn't remember it, he still has it. That's Kratos' struggle. He so desperately wants to put the Ghost of Sparta behind him, and yet he feels that anger and wrath burning beneath the surface constantly.

[@BrainMeltGaming]

Yeah also when he gets pissed at her telling him to kill things and that he won't be anyone's monster again, legit pissed ME off that she thinks she's the only one who's lost people

[@xiphos8219]

@@BrainMeltGaming Hell she only lost her kid. Kratos actively murdered his and wears her ashes on his skin.

[@mulawarmankwsuper]

That's called great acting

[@happyninja42]

"My son is no Spartan......I would KEEP it that way." I love that line. Speaks volumes to how Kratos views his role as Atreus' father. He named him after a Spartan, but the defining trait of the namesake Atreus, was basically everything that he did that was NOT Spartany. He was joyous, laughing, dancing, the embodiment of savoring life and love, everything that is beaten out of Spartan in this reality. So even though he named him for a Spartan, having him BE a Spartan, was never Kratos' goal. More that he wanted Atreus to embody the things that made Kratos love his Spartan friend so dearly. Being caring, empathetic, happy, etc. Those are the traits he wants to protect in Atreus. He just doesn't know how to foster them himself. So he tries to distance himself from Atreus, in a fear that being near him, knowing who he is, would taint those traits. That he would corrupt him by his mere proximity.

[@samaritan_sys]

Not a perfect quotation, but: "You thought I wasn't strong enough to endure Spartan training?" "I did not think you should have to."

[@happyninja42]

@@samaritan_sys yeah pretty much. I do not question your capabilities, but I do not wish that life on you. I'd rather you find your own way...and I will teach you to kick ass along THAT way.

[@ajizel13]

Even further; When asked why cant he be a general, When telling ppl that he wont march his son into war... When he asked "are you my son" He is trying to keep atreus from that way of thinking....

[@fumarc4501]

Such a natural fear, that a child will walk the same path as the parent. “The sins of the father”… when it’s not up to the parent where the paths of fate will lead.

[@ODST_SSGT]

As a father, If your son one day passes you in ability, you did your job well.

[@productionsleakes9806]

"But I never stopped loving my brother" That's really brings tears

[@nikkimiddlekillsday5161]

Not to mention the fact he killed countless of his half siblings because they chose to listen and obey Zeus' bs

[@3to4characters]

@@nikkimiddlekillsday5161no

[@nikkimiddlekillsday5161]

@@3to4characters "no" what

[@3to4characters]

@@nikkimiddlekillsday5161 what?

[@nikkimiddlekillsday5161]

@@3to4characters you said no, what're you saying no to

[@runeheadah]

"You still stand against fate?" she says to the man who killed fate. Three times.

[@Not_MissHina]

Kratos: btch, i rip and tear those fates with my bare hands, so yes

[@Demon-ft1th]

People think they can just "Defy" fate, it's impossible, every step you take leads to a fate, every fate I faced has been filled with anger, sadness... stress, my heart was opened to other peoples stress, but no longer what happened a few months ago and a few days ago, I decided to close my heart, and start feeling stress for myself.

[@Takintomori]

@Demon-ft1th yes, but Kratos refuses to let fate dictate his actions. His fate was to kill Zeus, but he never did it because fate said he would, he did it because Zeus was an unbearable, tyrannical dick. Fate said he'd kill Athena, but he never did so willingly, he had to be tricked into it. A fate waits for us all, yes, but that doesn't mean that you need to live your life according to a prophecies dictation

[@Demon-ft1th]

@@Takintomori I don't believe in prophecy, and fate always takes me down a bad road when something bad happens.

[@jebes909090]

oh right he did didnt he 😅😅😅😅

[@thomasfisher763]

I love that freya is willing to sympathize with kratos's pain despite what he did to her son. It shows how deep her care goes

[@nikkimiddlekillsday5161]

Like he said he does not regret saving her life, but he does regret how he had to do it

[@enlightendbel]

She is a goddess of love after all. And she can feel that Kratos isn't a monster that just kills. His love for his OG wife and daughter and his love for his recently departed wife and young son are true and strong. And she didn't want to kill him really, she was just venting her anger over being stuck in Midgard and losing her son, she knows full well Kratos didn't fight back and if it wasn't for Atreus, would let her kill him. She had the right and he always said "death can have me when it earns me". By killing her son, she earned killing him, but he couldn't let it happen just yet because it was clear at that point Atreus wasn't ready yet.

[@livinglegend9709]

I mean when you realize the other person has lost more than you, you might just have to sympathize with brutha 😂

[@warbacca1017]

She goes from "you don't know my pain" to "I don't know your pain"

[@delphy2478]

i'm pretty sure she's torn between taking out her pain on kratos, and loving him. the love may or may not be romantic, but she does clearly grow to love him and atreus, and her journeys with kratos help her remember that

[@1nva0er55]

Freya: "You have no idea what my pain is. You have not suffered like I have." Kratos: "I was tricked into killing my own family and wearing their ashes." Freya. "Oh. Well, that's still not . . ." Kratos: My brother was smashed into a wall and crushed in front of me." Freya: "Damn. Okay, I guess . . ." Kratos: "My mother was transformed into a monster and I had to dismember her." Freya: "Dude." Kratos: "My own father killed me and destroyed my homeland." Freya: "Stop." Kratos: "I was tortured for months by three sisters and after their son helped me I had to kill him to set him free." Freya: Dude stop! I get it. Do you have any idea how messed up you sound? Is there anything that ever brought you any happiness?" Kratos: . . . Kratos: "There was this boat captain . . ."

[@VegetaLF7]

I 100% read this in both their voices

[@advmx3]

Freya: Dude stop! I get it. Do you have any idea how messed up you sound? Is there anything that ever brought you any happiness?" Kratos: There was this time where I had to give up my powers, my weapons, everything to enter Elysium, where the pure souls would go, a place in hell for those who were just and deserved eternal happiness to reunite with my Daughter. I had to give up everything and leave her behind to save the world, or she would die a second time. Those were the five happiest minutes of my life there" XD

[@MenachemSchmuel]

lol and now in valhalla he expresses regret for all he did to that boat captain

[@Goetia544]

“I paid back their blood a thousand times, and burned Olympus to the ground…” There’s just something about this line and delivery that sends chills down my spine. Like, it just gives me flashbacks of everything that happened in the original trilogy.

[@gamester512]

And yet there's also the hint that perhaps there was a part of Kratos that truly wishes that it hadn't been necessary, and that Zeus hadn't forced his hand like that.

[@NateO123]

@@gamester512 it’s more just bitter realization that as desperate as he was for revenge it ultimately did nothing to ease his pain.

[@ValentinoMarino11]

@@NateO123 Kratos kinda reminds me of Darth Vader. Just a man who’s in too deep to stop. I know for a fact Kratos’ mind wasn’t just KILL KILL KILL for the entire trilogy. He must’ve at least thought at one point, is this enough? How far am I willing to take this?

[@cynicalmemester1694]

​@@ValentinoMarino11 Both were men who lost everything by virtue of their own choices and circumstances, had family who died at their own hands and were manipulated by powerful men into doing their bidding and only changed after they reunited with their children, (in Kratos's case, Atreus refilled the void left after his wife and daughter's death,pushing him towards the light).

[@yoshpeters3079]

There were 6 Greek games so don’t you mean whatever 6 is called? It was 1,2,3 ghost of Sparta chains of Olympus and ascension.

[@fflglt4689]

I wish he mentioned their ashes being cursed to his skin.

[@clinicalsaber5102]

Now now, it’s not a competition.

[@Xehanort10]

By Ares too.

[@OfficialJesseUSA]

I never played all the GOD games so I never knew that one. But it at least explains why he is looking so pale all the time.

[@fflglt4689]

@@OfficialJesseUSA an oracle disguised as Ares came to Kratos and covered his skin with the ashes of his wife and daughter. Ares wanted Kratos to have no attachments in order to make him a great warrior. He succeeded...

[@Asriel_Cypher]

@@clinicalsaber5102 I'd like to see her response.

[@Necronlord2011]

Freya: "What happened?" Kratos: "Well, I saw a circle pop up above her head, and..."

[@chronic5577]

That would've ruined the mood and make it go from sad and painful to just game memes.

[@justnoob8141]

pretty sure that's a cutscene though, so no QTE

[@golik133]

Bro they started to argue like they're couple or siblings

[@auugh43546]

@@chronic5577 (that's the joke)

[@samueleaston5659]

The parts when he said he didn't wish to live with killing her as much as he wanted to die and when he said i would have always helped you just goes to show how deep his appreciation goes for her saving his sons life

[@gamester512]

Kratos doesn't forget his debts. He kept being betrayed in Greece, but in Midgard, quite a few of his new associates & friends are far more trustworthy and are not prone to stabbing him in the back. At least his enemies here have the good manners (aside from Odin, of course) to just be upfront about it. He probably finds that straightforward honesty refreshing, to be honest.

[@SinfulofSauce]

Freya is basically that person who only played GOW3 and 4 without getting the full picture of the story.

[@supamarc85]

Facts

[@RandoGrunt]

I think more playing 4 and reading about GOW3 on a wiki rather than having played it.

[@user-ni7ui1nk8p]

Can’t blame her it’s impossible to play those game now pretty much (other than for people pirating on PC). They should really pull a Mario 3D All Stars and put every pre-GOW 3 game into one bundle for like 60 bucks or something. I’d buy that day one wanna play those so bad. Obviously remaster the graphics btw.

[@Unknown.NotRegistered]

Kratos is that living meme of "name one person that has suffered more than..."

[@NurAini-ep8wm]

More than ellie tlou 2. Yeah ellie the edgy lgbt

[@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf]

@@NurAini-ep8wm she was lgbt before she was edgy but nobody seemed to care about it then lol Lou2 is dogshit, don’t get me wrong, but that aspect of her character was introduced in the first game lmao

[@denzellizasuain563]

@@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf ellie in LOU1 she had character. We see her at her best and at her worse thats why her sexuality isnt really mention. The sequel just has shitty story making her worse

[@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf]

@@denzellizasuain563 preaching to the choir my friend

[@enlightendbel]

Him and Freya had several moments where they were Wade+Vanessa from Deadpool type flirting.

[@khalidala8122]

Kratos lost everything in Greek 💔 Lost his wife and his daughter Lost his brother deimos Lost his mother

[@mohdfaismohdfais5477]

Lost his wife and daughter because of ares Lost his brother because of thanatos Lost his mother because zeus. He got family, ally and friend on norse. May kratos achieve everlasting peace.

[@Marcel-ns7ti]

He lost his loyal comrades

[@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx]

@@mohdfaismohdfais5477 The only time we see Kratos smile was when he was living in Midgard.

[@azagorod8479]

Forgetting Orkos his friend?

[@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx]

@@azagorod8479 R.I.P. Orkos Always forgotten.

[@MLaak86]

I love how they show that Freya isn't as far gone as she first seems. While being threatening and angry you don't get the sense she'll actually kill Atreus when they meet alone. She could easily have got multiple hits in on Kratos when he was holding back Atreus' bear form but can't bring herself to actually do it. And when Kratos reveals these part of his past her hatred for him falls apart, even if a traumatic righteous anger hangs on for a little longer, being replaced with effectively horrified pity.

[@ShaggyRogers1]

Sometimes there will be acts done by people you care about that you can never truly forgive, even if you know they did it for the "right" reasons. There isn't a right or wrong path to take with your opinion afterwards, whether to cut ties with them or attempt to move on or blame them endlessly. That's just part of life. Part of having relationships with people is that you know that there is always a risk of something harming it. The fact that there is something there inside you to harm means that the relationship itself had meaning.

[@hitandruncommentor]

Which I wish they had solidified with one last round of "yes but that happened a long time ago, barely anyone even remembers, I doubt even you remember it all . . ." " have you ever wondered why i am called the ghost of Sparta? Why my skin is so pale?" Uneasy silence. "For ten years I bound myself to the will of the gods just for a chance to forget, to sleep. I was refused, and when I tried to end the nightmares myself I was raised to a god." "Yes yes and then came the ash and fire and the end of greece" "Ash? Yes their ashes and blood are with me still." Slowly runs hand over his tattoo and skin with a look to Freya as she understands.

[@MLaak86]

@@hitandruncommentor Yeah I think that's something that could have been added - although Freya's horror that he killed his own wife and child seems more than enough to snap her out of her hatred of him into abject pity without that extra detail.

[@delphy2478]

to me it almost seems that she was hoping kratos would kill her, or get angry at her to justify her anger, but he kept forgiving her

[@Veladus]

I never got the impression she'd kill Boy. Boy isn't the one she has a grudge against, and she's not the type of scumbag to attack innocents to hurt someone else. So I wasn't surprised she didn't hurt him, just did some chest pounding. I *was* surprised Kratos managed to talk her down though.

[@phuctranhong8714]

And Freya didn't know about his reunion with Calliope. Kratos gave up everything, his weapons, his powers, his duty, to be unite with her. And for that moment, both of them seem to be full of bliss and happiness. But that didn't last long, in others to save the world, and most inportantly, to protect his daughter, Kratos left her go, this time pernamently.

[@mugabenapik4830]

When

[@darrylisaac9400]

@@mugabenapik4830 chains of Olympus

[@samratdutta7880]

@@mugabenapik4830 Chains of Olympus the PSP game.

[@phuctranhong8714]

@@mugabenapik4830 If you want to know when the event which Kratos and Calliope reunited, It's from the game GW: Chains of Olympus. Thi game's events is after GoW: Ascension and before the events of GOW1.

[@FaithAngel446]

Pushing her away was devastating 😭

[@muhamadsyahmi951]

Freya: have you feel the pain of losing a child Kratos: b*tch, they call me the Ghost of Sparta for a reason

[@lordcooler3051]

Freya: "have you felt the pain of losing a child?" Kratos: "HAve you felt the pain of doing it with your own two hands and have your body literally covered with their remains?"

[@luisalonso959]

Kratos: Yes... I kill my child and my wife with these blades.

[@WhatABeautifulDuwangChew]

She is literally the “you will never understand my pain!” meme

[@aspoiledpotato6231]

not only that, he proceeded to 50 hit combo the last remaining spartan under him

[@Not_MissHina]

Freya: have you ever feel the pain of losing a child? Kratos: want to know why my skin is white?

[@griddycheese]

Kratos one ups freya in every way even in pain 😂

[@nikostyleonyomamacoochie8513]

Yeah, like although it isn't a competition, he rly could've said "Bitch I ain't ashy because I don't use lotion, lemme tell u a tale." Props to Kratos for holding back

[@ortros1]

@@nikostyleonyomamacoochie8513 and to 🔝 it all he was dating a redhead...just imagine the headaches...

[@D1rt3nthu51ast]

Freya: "hOw DaRe YoU pReTeNd To KnOw My PaIn?" Kratos, who is still covered in the ashes of his dead wife and daughter: "Bruh..."

[@Patchez13]

@@D1rt3nthu51ast Kinda wish he dropped that part on her

[@fdk12]

@@D1rt3nthu51ast I don't get this part?

[@cb-9938]

GoW 2018 ends with Kratos saying "I have nothing more to hide" And in ragnarok he is open about his past in Greece. I'm glad they didn't back track his character development

[@christianbethel]

But he doesn't tell Atreus about his previous family...

[@senapalacios5607]

@@christianbethel Maybe cause he didn't ask? xD I'll peg Kratos to not answer anything not being asked or is irrelevant to the current situation

[@Zac_Frost]

They did in some ways, but didn't in others.

[@abdulazimnaushad]

He may have told Atreus but it isn’t brought up until that illusion in the Norns place where negative illusion Atreus tells Odin to protect him from being killed by Kratos and said he killed his family.

[@cb-9938]

I love how when Freya says "not with the Debt you owe me" Kratos response is just "I don't owe you Shit. I'm here helping a *Friend* I can leave if I want too" 😂

[@fritzpop347]

😂

[@rhyslightning3037]

Yh i think Freya’s rage made her forget who she was talking to.

[@YourMotherAnd420]

@@rhyslightning3037during my play through she told me to hurry up while I was looting, for a split second I saw a circle above her head

[@rhyslightning3037]

@@YourMotherAnd420 😂 now that would of been the end of Freya

[@deltahazard7870]

freya: you don't know how i feel! kratos: ok boomer.

[@DavZeugme]

"I have words if you will hear them" is both gentle and badass. Dang Kratos😄

[@ThatGuyUpThere]

Freya: you cannot fight fate, you have to fulfill the profecy. Kratos: (who is also the living definition of a self fulfilling profecy) I literally killed fate.

[@calmgentleman]

to fulfill the prophecy of desrroying olympus

[@artic_shadowreader7008]

I mean, he did kill the sisters of fate, sooo...

[@calmgentleman]

@@artic_shadowreader7008 which didnt avert the prophecy though. rather it helped fulfill it

[@artic_shadowreader7008]

@@calmgentleman Yeah its true

[@gabrielbjornursidae]

Best quote I've seen so far is, "The Norn read fate and watch it play out. The sisters of fate hold the quill that write the book."

[@thatsaweirdone]

I love how the only time he raises his voice is when the talk of him being a monster someone else controls is brought up

[@paigepolaris1799]

In that last exchange, you can really hear OG Kratos coming out, the tone in his voice and everything.

[@theosmith6275]

She had no right to say that to him period.

[@0626polyboy]

It reminds me of the ' I owe you nothing ' line he says to Athena

[@crucible1084]

if she thought somebody killing her child was painful.. imagine being the person who killed your child.. that why even freya was speechless despite hating kratos at this scene, such a deed is just so horrible, its a surprise kratos was able to find peace

[@nnightkingj]

In a way freya was the cause of her child’s death

[@Zerus1517]

technically he never did while in Greece only when Faye and Atreus came into the picture

[@linhza501]

To forgive yourself and find peace and change for the better, one requires a strong will.

[@MLaak86]

Definitely, she feels incredible pain at the loss of her son, but she's not so far gone that she can't realise the pain of having your own child and wife's blood on your hands would be infinitely worse - she almost collapses into horrified pity and misery for Kratos in that moment.

[@1940-Westinghouse-Flip-Toaster]

@@nnightkingjalot of factors but yes she was one of them , the 3 future ladies talk about it

[@shiroamakusa8075]

Family members Kratos killed: His father Zeus His mother Callisto His first wife Lysandra His daughter Calliope His grandfather Kronos His great-grandmother Gaia His uncles Poseidon and Hades His aunt Hera His half-siblings Ares, Athena, Hephaestus, Hermes, Persephone, Perseus, Heracles, Theseus, Castor and Pollux His nephew Orkos His second cousins Helios and Perses. It's really impressive the Kratos' entire Greek saga is basically him pruning his own family tree.

[@livinglegend9709]

Ey they brought this on themselves 😅

[@amortality999]

Helios is Kratos’ first cousin once removed

[@kmyoutubechannel5182]

Especially tragic for Orkos because he was the G O A T

[@thegoldavenger.3829]

His brother Deimos

[@shiroamakusa8075]

@@thegoldavenger.3829 Deimos was killed by Thanatos.

[@shaquelcunningham9135]

I'm proud of kratos he drew that line in the sand telling her he is no one's monster we don't kill we defend our selves that is all

[@stremegamer1236]

Freya realizing how much Kratos has gone through and gets humbled never gets old

[@MLaak86]

"I lost my son to your hands!" "...I know... I lost my wife and daughter to them" "Oh you poor, *poor* man..."

[@joyofsun7378]

The angry tone when Kratos mentions Calliope and Ares showing that he is still angry at pantheon and would slaughter them again. Just not blindly I guess.

[@andrewowens4421]

Even if he recklessly slaughtered an entire pantheon, they really brought it upon themselves. Kratos is at fault as much as anyone, but they kept pushing him and making the situation worse and Kratos responded in abject anger. That anger isn't going away, just pushed aside for better things.

[@redandblue1013]

@@andrewowens4421 you could say that the fall of the pantheon is as much because of their own failings as much as it is because kratos literally destroyed it In a way, Kratos is the manifestation of all the gods’ failings such as their arrogance, cruelty, and disregard for mortals. They created their monster by their own actions

[@JeSt4m]

His tone is full of "I've killed the Greek gods and I want to do it all over again" energy. While he did managed to hold back his rage as old man that rage is very much there within Kratos but he held it back mainly because he lost his target. If he saw Olympians walking down the street he's definitely gonna QTE the shit out of that poor poor god even as old man.

[@kamonek3825]

Freya:you cannot fight fate Kratos and the "sisters of destiny tragedy" : yes I can

[@northernalpine4350]

Freya: *_"Well shit, cant use this as an excuse anymore"_*

[@LessovikGaming]

As much as i love this moment of him finally telling this story, i wish he'd put in the last few details to tell Freya just how much he knows that pain "In the service of a cruel god, i was tricked into destroying a village, not knowing my own wife and child were there until their blood stained my hands. As the grief consumed me and their bodies burned in the fires left behind an oracle cursed me that all of Greece would know my sin, my families ashes forever bound to my body and i became the Ghost of Sparta" just to have Freya truly understand what he's been through and that even with how long ago it was, he still carries that curse to this day

[@freelanceryuu]

that would have changed things for sure.

[@Veladus]

Don't forget the nightmares. That was the whole reason for his "redemption" in 1 and then being a sullen bastard on Olympus in 2. He had to relive it every night. Honestly, it's never addressed, he might STILL be reliving it every night.

[@silenthero2795]

@@Veladus The nightmares aren't really part of the curse. Athena told him herself that no god could make him atone and erase his sin because it is internal guilt. What she could do however is to erase his memories of his family so it would seem he didn't do anything but Kratos vehemently refused the offer, thinking it as a mockery of his family's memories. Kratos still dreams normally, however, as shown in Ragnarok.

[@VitorHugoOliveiraSousa]

@@silenthero2795 no, she say the contrary that no one not even a god can forget what he has done, but the gods forgives his sins. Something that for his is empty platitudes, he doesn't give a fuck about the opinions of the god on himself. Faced with the reality that he will live the rest of his life tormented by the images of his wife and child dead at his arms by his hands he lost all hopes, goes in despair and attempts suicide. It's probably he still have nightmares constantly, specially after Atreus was born, but he grew accustomed with them like a person with chronic pain. It's always there but you learn to ignore it enough to be a functional human being.

[@advmx3]

Nah, I believe it's incredibly in character for him not to say it. Kratos is not the kind of person who wants others to pity him. He told her only the important parts, he could have said the rest and maybe there's voice clips for that, but the decision for him to not say it just show how intimate that is, that's a sin he'll carry forever, but one he'll bear alone for the rest of his time.

[@vaibhavsinha97]

"He is no spartan and I would keep it that way". Damn that is some character developement right there.

[@josecolon2717]

Not to mention he had the chance of being with his daughter again… but had to give it up to save her for all eternity

[@kazeryuu77gm3]

Kratos is the definition “I’ve been there”

[@craxnor]

Her wounds are fresher than his. And after centuries of ruminating on his past he finally has the perspective needed to see the signs and offer advice rather than rage.

[@lucasmartinez5703]

Yeah Freya's words make sense in light of that. Wound is still fresh. Still learning her lesson.

[@HanithSVK]

I like Kratos's reaction to the "fate". Freya should know better than believing some random prophecy, especially since the last one she heeded cost her son's life and in the end he hated her more than anything in the world. But obviously she did not learn her lesson. Then we have Kratos. He was "fated" to die, he was "controlled" by the three beings who are amongst the most powerful(if not THE MOST POWERFUL), yet even when he was "supposed to fail"(cause Sisters of Fate), he managed to come on the top. Long story short, Kratos learnt his lesson. One can defy the fate, even if the literal beings who control it, are against you. Freya on the other hand, blindly believes in the presumably extinct race(she could not know about marbles and souls of the giants) and is willing to bet everything on it.

[@LiamTHiggins]

all the conversations with freya starting from creating a temporary truce to reconciling with her were some of my favorite parts of the whole game. Two powerful gods relating with and helping each other through traumatic and difficult moments in their lives

[@BiteTheDust463]

Freya: you can't fight a fate Kratos: have u heard sisters of fate? Freya: No Kratos: Good then

[@TheCompleteMental]

"I would always have helped you" is such a fantastic line to hear from Kratos, it's unreal

[@katamekothriis1613]

The crack in her voice from sheer shock really shows the gravity of it. She knows the pain of losing a child, but being the one to kill your own child is beyond anything she could ever imagine. I think that moment is when she realized that she couldn't kill Kratos, he's already suffered enough and understands her pain more than she realized.

[@MrOrcshaman]

I love this Kratos, such depth, when he speaks and tells his stories, the pain he went through, you can hear the lose and pain of his past life, and a man trying to hold those memories back

[@hitandruncommentor]

You never watched the cut scenes from the first game. He's always been a character steeped in tragedy. Edit: not a criticism. Just trust me if you haven't watched or played the first game it is one of the best told stories ever.

[@ARAFELI]

the last part where he got angry at her for talking to him like hi s a tool to kill things... you can feel his scares and anger about her comment.

[@abdulazimnaushad]

Yes. He quickly remembered what Ares, Athena and the other Gods turned him into. Like while Kratos has gotten over most of his past and accepts it, two things he still hates "being reminded of debts he owes even if he feels indebted" and "being told/ordered to kill stuff".

[@EskChan19]

I like how he spends several minutes explaining to her exactly why he has been in her exact position and she's like "You're sharing your thoughts on a subject you know nothing about".

[@TheMercwithaMouth199]

This is why Christopher Judge won best performance at the VGA’s.

[@OverworkedITGuy]

I love Chris, but I always wonder how TC would have delivered the lines

[@yvonnewilson2242]

@@OverworkedITGuy I think TC would've been better tbh

[@Phawks-Phire]

Damn, they started arguing like Husband and wife at the end. 😂

[@zarenkoblutkrieg5919]

Exactly! Read my Comment because it NAILS just so good xD

[@mystical2152]

Freya: takes everything away from baldur Kratos: takes everything from her to save her Freya: >:(

[@Moonless-]

💀

[@feralfry18]

freya: “you think you can even begin to understand the pain of losing a child?” Kratos: “Bitch, I am fucking wearing their ashes.”

[@Nobody77246]

Freya : You think you can even begin to understand the pain of losing a child? Kratos : Woman, my dead wife and daughter ashes are literally fused into my skins by the very god that tricked me into killing them with my bare hands. I spends every waking moment being reminded of said pain...

[@DinsRune]

Freya: "Holy shit, your backstory is WAY more tragic than mine, what the fuck."

[@cabrozonte]

This has She-Hulk explaining her struggles to Bruce Banner energy

[@grandcanyon-fu9zt]

Except well written and Freya grows out of it

[@Rhino-Prime]

@@grandcanyon-fu9zt and gets told she's still had it easier than kratos

[@grandcanyon-fu9zt]

@@Rhino-Prime women are emotionally more fragile than men ,this is accurate, this is smart writing, portraying them as a married couple arguing at first ,then both end up on the same page at the end , I think the comics did this better tho, She Hulk could've been something like this , Bruce opening up to her and answers her this way..... but marvel and DC (except for daredevil and doom patrol/peacemaker) have lackluster writing.

[@grandcanyon-fu9zt]

the only difference is Kratos acts like a man and answers her immediately unlike Banner who just being a weakling and they end up as comrades at the end, the only difference is one had actually good writing LOL.

[@l-knight7294]

at least Freya didn't actually know Kratos had a child before Atreus, She-Hulk had no excuse

[@LordTyph]

...Oh Jesus Christ, Freya. You were getting to the end of Kratos' patience towards the end. I noticed the tone in his voice. He was getting so frustrated with her jabs and her refusal to avoid the fate he had suffered (the emptiness of vengeance and the ruinous cost it can bring), the Ghost of Sparta was peeking in...

[@streetracer-sam6152]

I find it fascinating that people feel a need to turn thier tragedies into a competition or just make a meme out of it, as if Freya's grief somehow invalidates Kratos' own loss. Yet rarely do I see people use this scene to talk about how even at her lowest, Freya manages to show the compassion and empathy to Kratos-the man responsible for her grief-within a split second. There is no hesitancy there. The moment Kratos admits that he does understand her loss, she immediately senses the gravitas of the situation and backs down, takes a moment to try and empathise with him, before shutting it all down because she doesn't want to hurt him, not least in such a cruel way. The way this game portrays Freya's grief is truly fascinating. It doesn't shy away from showing her suffering, but not at the cost of her motherhood. She remains the same Witch of the Woods thay endeared everyone at the beginning of this journey.

[@samaritan_sys]

I couldn't help but notice Kratos still refrains from telling anyone about the... ashes. I wonder if he'll ever tell Freya? I have a feeling not even Atreus knows, though Mimir would know, if anyone.

[@gamester512]

If he were directly asked about why his skin was so pale, he'd likely answer, though he'd likely still be hesitant to talk about it (and understandably so). It's probably just a subject that Kratos doesn't want to talk about unless it's necessary to do so. Though Freya may figure that at this point, it would be better if she didn't try to pry too deeply into his personal history, for fear of dredging up even more painful memories, so she mostly just sticks to asking him about monsters/enemies from his homeland, thus giving him the freedom to choose a subject that isn't *too* painful for him to talk about. Mimir may know about Kratos' nickname of the "Ghost of Sparta", but I get the feeling that Mimir still doesn't know the specifics behind the nickname or how he got it. Mimir may just think it's some sort of nickname given to him after performing well in many battles. For example, in FF XIV there are characters like Nael van Darnus, whom is known as "The White Raven" (and Nael's personal theme, "Rise of the White Raven" is one of the most dreaded boss themes in FF XIV), and Gaius van Baelsar, whom is known by the moniker of "The Black Wolf". Mimir may be following a similar thought process that it's probably a nickname given to him either by his allies or enemies for some sort of exceptional act(s) in battle (another example from FF XIV would be how Garlean troops come to refer to the PC as the "Eikon Slayer", and the rank-and-file Garlean troops view the prospect of facing us with terror and fear).

[@advmx3]

Mimir knows who's the Ghost of Sparta, but I doubt he knows about the Ashes. But maybe he does, he's maybe just sensible enough not to talk about it. And yes, I like this detail. That's a sin Kratos will bear forever, but he will do it alone. He won't need the pity of anyone else for it. He's already a monster and these ashes will remind him forever until they fade.

[@ckaledin]

For me, this was the best and most focused writing in the game

[@albertobarbolla3976]

"can you please just shut up and kill things?" always gets me 🤣

[@theosmith6275]

She had no right to say that to him.

[@Amoogus]

​@theosmith6275 he killed her son. She can say whatever lol.

[@theenderdestruction2362]

​@@Amoogusno the fuck she can't, in pain you say things but that doesn't give you the right to tell others what exactly they need to do, especially if it's something that they don't want to, to think otherwise is to be a fool who slips on his cards

[@emperor2596]

@@Amoogusum no she does not I get she is grieving but just remember kratos killed her son to save her life

[@Amoogus]

@@emperor2596 "Kratos killed her son" is exactly why she does lol.

[@jamesrussell2936]

On one end i can understand when someone says "You don't understand". On the other hand, how hard is it to understand tragedy and terror? Hopelessness and despair? Have we not felt it all?

[@VonSchtauffe]

I love how Ragnarok is a culmination of all the ways Kratos has grown. Before this, he would sacrifice his allies without a second thought. So eager to destroy everything the gods built. Now here he is, trying his hardest to preserve them from corruption and destruction.

[@advmx3]

As much as I apreciate the portable games showing a more human side of Kratos before and in the middle of the trilogy, the fact is that the OG kratos is mostly a ball of rage. He's a monster, they made him one, and it takes him centuries for him to grow as a human being again. So Yes, this version of Kratos is WAY better than the ones we had originally and I believe if God of War MAYBE had been released on the PS3 era instead, MAYBE they would have put some more backstories and flashbacks to give him more of a human side, but yes, most of the time the guy was just Grr I'm angry, Kill. xD

[@abdulazimnaushad]

Yes also in the final mission he tries to save innocent civilians from collapsing Asgard.

[@horrorfan117]

@@advmx3 Someone didn't play the spin offs. Man I still remember how sad Kratos killing Orkos was. Kratos: "I have spilled enough innocent blood." You could tell it was very early in his career.

[@abdulazimnaushad]

@@horrorfan117yes I played, he was sad about doing it, also because Orkos was one of the few ppl who truly cared about him, even if he acknowledged Kratos' horrible deeds of slaughtering innocents, and saw how he suffered.

[@ryan3960]

"I am not here for debts. I would always have helped you." 😢

[@BlamoStramo]

"Atreus is no spartan, and I would keep it that way" Kratos doesnt want his son to be the same kind of tough he is, the same kind of man, not for fear of repeating mistakes but because he respects his son as an individual who is allowed to be different. hes so awesome

[@BlackHippy313]

She said "you don't get too make that choice not with the debt you owe me" as if she can actually kill kratos. This man's has killed far more powerful than her, I just genuinely think most of these people who try too talk tough too kratos doesn't know his past

[@nilescho2688]

holy shit their relationship is so rich

[@kxngjones4673]

When she spoke of debts I really thought he was gonna say, "I owe you nothing".

[@INCNetski]

They gonna end up banging. Two immortals trying to rebuild Midgard. The writing's on the wall.

[@williammoore5081]

These new god of war games made the old ones even better in retrospect. The best kind long aged sequel.

[@Jackthat1]

Imagine being Freya right now, you knew Kratos and the boy for some time, to you Kratos is just some grumpy old guy with his happy go lucky son, then boom getting an absolutely heart wrenching back story to the grumpy old guy and it all makes sense now.

[@Blade2145]

"But I will be no one's monster. Never again!" "You don't get to make that choice." Reeeeeaally hitting some old wounds there, Freya. Lucky that Kratos actually is on Freya's side...

[@user-fp3yc9hm6m]

If this were a sitcom they would’ve totally ended up sleeping.

[@certifiedGoof9812]

People tend to diss Freya because her pain is apparently nothing compared to Kratos' sin of killing his own child. IMO, Freya did her child so much worse. Baldur literally went insane because of what Freya did to him. Kratos killed his family painlessly while they still loved him, and he did so while being manipulated. But Freya, of her own volition, inflicted her child with such a curse thinking it would be for his own good, that he wanted to kill his own mother upon feeling the difference in having that curse removed. Freya didn't fight back at all when Baldur was trying to kill her. Her guilt and regret in causing so much pain to her child is definitely on par with Kratos's.

[@neetlikereallyneet9103]

That last conversation is great. Kratos spent his whole life in Greece being bossed by gods, told to murder and kill by them. Obviously, there's nothing Kratos could hate more than that by the time he reached the Norse mythology. So, when Freya tells him to shut up and kill things, it enrages him, because he's not there to kill things, he's there to protect his son and help his friend.

[@brenscott5416]

Love how she tries to threaten kratos but realistically if she tried to pose a threat to his son kratos would show her exactly how little power she held over him

[@abdulazimnaushad]

Yeah She doesn’t know the old Kratos, a berserk monster who literally gouged Poseidon's eyes out and snapped his neck, ripped Hades' soul from him, ripped Helios’ head off of him and sliced off Hermes' legs.

[@MrHidePatten]

It’s only now I see how Kratos connects with Thor. Kratos: “I am nobodies monster, I kill to protect my son” Odin to Thor: “are thinking, are you broken? Take the hammer and kill who I tell you to kill”

[@abdulazimnaushad]

Yes Kratos even tells Thor they have to be better for their children’s sakes.

[@nidhoggr8193]

I love how the only time he properly raises his voice is when freya tries to command him. He is no ones monster.

[@rommel7543]

The Old tone of voice kratos used to take up with everyone in Greece came out when Freya tried to tell him to kill

[@nickrobles6716]

Freya: You think you know true trauma!? Kratos: Hold my Leviathon Axe 😂😂

[@ConfessorCromwell444]

It would have been a crazy moment if he had a boat scene where he talks about the fact that the ashes of his wife and daughter are embedded on his skin

[@christianmets6233]

Already arguing like a married couple. You don't need to be a Norn to see a great future for these two.

[@mihaimercenarul7467]

gross

[@playerback7722]

??

[@liddumananayo1070]

@@mihaimercenarul7467 you won’t last one second looking at their r34 together

[@mihaimercenarul7467]

@@liddumananayo1070 cuz I would be puking, yes I know

[@involuntaryanalysis]

Eh I'm not shipping it. Wouldn't feel natural for either character.

[@StygianWolf]

"I paid back their blood a thousand times, and burned Olympus to the ground." Man I get goosebumps hearing him say that, casually at first then raising his voice towards the end; probably briefly remembering the unbridled rage that drove him in his youth. As much as I love how Kratos has grown as a person; I still love seeing glimpses of his original self coming to the surface, even if for a moment.

[@Jinsakai4200]

I can hear the pain in kratos voice when he was talking about his past so heartbreaking and sad and I haven’t played the old god of war games just the 4th and rangarok

[@abdulazimnaushad]

You can watch cutscenes on KZbin. Me personally I’ve played 3, 4, Ragnarok, Chains of Olympus, Ascension, and Ghost of Sparta.

[@azrael_morningstar]

If you think about it. Ares is the reason for all this, the entire fall of Greek and Norse Mytholgies. Even after all this time his brother Kratos has his title, he indirectly still exists.

[@ericirimies7719]

Freya really thinks losing a son would be everything for her when so many other people lose families and also completely lose their sanity and humanity because of it

[@mindassassin]

Freya tells Kratos he doesn't know her pain when he knows it better than she does. A confidence born of ignorance.

[@pedroricardorodriguezfarre7936]

i mean, when you are the cause of end of all of your closest family members, you know true pain

[@LaCazaLP]

The moment Fraya realizes. her whole attitude changes and she know. Yeah. kratos CAN understand her lose.

[@aspopulvera9130]

What kratos had lost outweighed what freya had lost to the point he completely lost his connection with greece

[@kobedragon6069]

Kratos mentioning Caliope and Deimos brought tears to my eyes!

[@holoramecid]

"I kill to protect my son. To aid my".. "FRIENDS" ... holy shit.

[@chrispeters394]

I could listen to these conversations all day

[@lunaria2505]

I cant imagine Freya's Feeling, cooperating with your son murderer, what a crazy

[@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx]

She got no other choice. She lost to him by default for attempting to get her revenge and now she had to reluctantly get in line as compensation for her aggression.

[@areuminee681]

Even if kratos spared baldur that day, high chance he still would've killed by kratos

[@ru894]

@@areuminee681 Baldur himself said he wouldn't stop the hunt, baldur would just kill freya and die later anyway.

[@genyatusamaki1219]

@@areuminee681 yep because he still wouldve came after them due to odin's request and probably get revenge for the death of his two nephews also his death will come either way since theres no stopping the prophecy from happening.

[@ztrigger5304]

He's also her saver 🤷🏿‍♂️so it's even tho her greed was more stronger than her peace side for a while

[@yok3rsp8]

I always found it funny that Freya couldnt understand Kratos's disposition toward Fate. She didnt know what he did to Fate back in Greece😂

[@abdulazimnaushad]

She eventually learns and calls it dangerous and irresponsible.

[@raybob8668]

You’d know Freya would fucking break if Kratos mentioned his family’s ashes are now within his skin.

[@weavorjjohanna5619]

they talk like an old couple fighting each other, kinda cute if you look at that way

[@rasgrizrevelations4145]

"you still stand against fate?" He killed his fates, took their powers to control it. Bent time and space. Slaughtered every god in his realm and burned their home to it's core....the fuck you think?

[@BallerIsGoatedEvenIfHeIsDead]

"You think you can even begin to understand the pain of losing a child?" Kratos: Look at me

[@Ziut0702]

They both are like an old couple :D

[@thdenwheja756]

I'll give the series this- after almost twenty years of hitting stuff, it is almost more satisfying to just get the characters to talk their problems out together.

[@sworddemonboggle1491]

These back and forths are why I don’t think the relationships in GOWR are rushed. To start with, Freya learns that she’s not alone in living without a family, more so that she doesn’t have it the worst in how she lost that family. While she still hates Kratos, she at least realizes that he speaks the truth and actually knows what it is like, thus making her image of him begin to waver. Secondly, this isn’t just put in a cutscene and then immediately after she decides not to keep killing him. There is silence after they finish talking, and if we treat them as people it’s not a stretch to say that Freya is contemplating what they’ve discussed and is trying to find justification to continue hating Kratos. Lastly, Kratos never blames or asks Freya to stop doing what she’s doing nor how she is feeling. He simply tells her the harsh truth he has realized after pursuing the path of revenge to its logical conclusion; it does nothing to satiate the grief and rage you feel inside. Kratos had to come to terms with his anger and desire for vengeance on his own, admittedly probably a bit easier since the object of his anger was no longer around but it simply led to an untold amount of destruction that harmed so many people that were unrelated to it. Kratos still helps Freya regain her ability to travel between realms even under the assumption that she will attempt to kill him once they’re finished, though likely with the hope that she will understand why her feud with him is pointless. Even after all of this, Freya still freely admits that she still feels a hatred towards Kratos but that it’s tempered by an understanding as well as an acknowledgment that he is not the main threat that needs to be dealt with at the moment. She even regularly teases Kratos and Mimir and claps back if she feels they overstep their bounds about her