Kreia discusses Visas and her master

[@louisiananlord17]

And he cares....nothing for the Sith or its teachings....or the Jedi. Still gives me shivers every time.

[@PapitoQinn]

Indeed, It's very well delivered and shows how force sensitivity can cause chaos without some kind of structure and/or teachings. Kind of like magic in dragon age or unchecked political power in real life.

[@Blastanker]

Papito Qinn you can hear the hate she has for both sides aswell

[@lordofcreativity9637]

She despises the force in general. I can't imagine she feels much better about the Jedi and Sith who use it with obvious exceptions.

[@Dresqus]

"No... Not Jedi. Not Jedi at all."

[@DeathMessenger1988]

Yeah. It's the terror you feel when meeting a villain like Sauron, Salem, Thanos, the Reapers, a Great Old One or just plain old Lucifer. The realization you're not dealing with a normal living being with a rational cause, belief/morality system, motive or even human attachment you can try and reason with. Rather, you're dealing an entity that's more like a force of nature, completely consumed by pain and madness and bereft of any kind of human morality or reason, and thus beyond any kind of sanity, reasoning or bargaining. There's no reasoning with the embodiment of hunger, rage, vengeance or death.

[@Tenike8]

Kreia in a nutshell : "You have befriended thr seer." 5 minutes later Kreia: "You are spending time with the servant of Atris." 5 minutes later Kreia: "You are banging the huntress."

[@FeinryelRavenclaw]

5 minutes later Kreia: “you have bedded the twin suns of nar shadda. Your power is growing...”

[@TheSkully343]

@@FeinryelRavenclaw 5 minutes later Kreia: "You have been intimate with Darth Nihilus. Is there no end to your incessant courting?"

[@noahfessenden6478]

5 minutes later "You have shared a bed with Sion and his vibroblades."

[@HHopebringer]

5 minutes later Kreia: "You reported to the ship as soon as possible...and then banged, okay?" Influence Gained: Commander Shepard, Gamer Poop Edition

[@tommygunengineer9184]

Every single one of these responses is correct and the disturbing thing is that I can legit hear Kreia saying all of them

[@junkbucket50]

6:41 One of her best lines

[@Gyarretto7]

...You know, I just thought of something. Visas' and Nihilus' names are never spoken in-game at all. Wonder why? I mean, for Nihilus, I kinda get it; Kreia and Visas herself act like speaking his name is like speaking the name of Lord Voldemort, but why does nobody refer to Visas by name (outside of the player character here and there)?

[@PapitoQinn]

There are very few moments in the entire game that anyone of the crew members refer to another and when they do they almost never use their names. I never really thought about it. They just don't talk about each other all that much. They also aren't exactly friends. They all kind of came together due to circumstances.

[@Gyarretto7]

Still, we do hear several occasions where they refer to one another by name; Bao-Dur is still called Bao-Dur, and not just "The Iridonian", for instance. Yet, (and I might be mistaken, it has been a while since I last played Knights 2) Visas' name is never spoken at any point. As such, I've never really been sure how her name is actually pronounced XD.

[@blacksmith4703]

Gyarretto7 visas's name is spoken by mira depending on your choices

[@DBArtsCreators]

Except Atton. The rest of the crew seems to like calling him by his name (though, as everyone admits, it's not his real name, so technically a loop-hole?)

[@lordofcreativity9637]

It seems that in this Sith is similar to a Lovecraftian monster in the sense that anything could possibly draw his attention to them. Even saying his name or a stray thought could invite disaster. Best to avoid focusing attention on him altogether unless the desire is for him to locate them.

[@julianG1212]

1:10 sounds like the air nomads

[@googlebarbaralernerspectre2581]

Why this wasn't made as a movie, kotor 1 and kotor 2 should be made into a trilogy.

[@PapitoQinn]

Hmm, I'd go with television show. Can't go into much detail in 90 to 120 minute movie.

[@Gyarretto7]

Because these games are too big for any 90-120 minute feature. Not that I don't share your enthusiasm; I would love to see the Old Republic era brought to life in a much bigger way than just those admittedly cool trailers for The Old Republic MMO.

[@KonguZya]

I'd like to see a series or a game set during the Mandalorian Wars.

[@dreadrath]

Get it far FAR away from Disney, then hire the Obsidian writing team and some of the guys from KOTOR 1 as well, along with a competent, thoughtful production team and director who understand what its all about, and I think it could be done. But not while Star Wars is in the hands of the parasites it presently is.

[@arlostein1000]

Missing a number there

[@thesenate5913]

Nihlus is like a black hole Eating everything until nothing is left, even light itself cannot escape the hunger.

[@MarshalofFrance]

This villain had so much potential, but the most disappointing thing about this game is his super weak confrontation/boss fight. Regardless, everytime I hear Kreia's description about him I have shivers down my spine.

[@PapitoQinn]

Without using Visas somehow, that connection, it might have been impossible to kill him. The exile effectively exploited that weakness and defeated him. Without it? I don't know. It may have just been a matter of time.

[@lordofcreativity9637]

It seemed that an opportunity presented itself that allowed him to fall fairly easily. I imagine he would have eventually fallen due to lack of hunger, but not before consuming the force and everything living due to it first. Not to mention that his opposition is rather unique.

[@maleexile9053]

@@PapitoQinn you also forgot to admit that he was very hungry for jedi

[@Oodelally]

He was weak because the exile is a wound in the force. At the beginning of the fight he tries to feed on them, but because they are a wound it weakens him. The exile’s force sensitivity is more like a black hole which draws in the force, Nihilus is the same but uses that to consume the force. So when he tries to feed on the exile, he is essentially losing his life force to the exile as the life force of Katarr was lost to him. If you kill the Jedi masters, the exile absorbs their life force like Nihilus tries to do to you.

[@frzferdinand72]

Storywise, it fits perfectly why he's the easiest to kill. You're a wound in the force, as is he, and when he tries to feed on you it backfires.

[@Exile438]

dark

[@ThievNWalrus]

Crazy villain.

[@professorrubickmagusgrandi7909]

0:29 Foreshadowing?

[@cliffordtaylor7582]

Kreia one of best ever

[@G59forlife.]

Visas 🥵

[@julianG1212]

Nihlius is similar to Voldemort

[@PapitoQinn]

How so?

[@TheRainman12]

@@PapitoQinn What Dumbledore stresses is the fact that love is the greatest sort of magic there is. Its wake can be seen in every being, which is able to love. This is where u could argue love in Harry Potter and the force in star wars have the same function (in the plot). However, Voldemort is not able to love and thus is not able to be compassionate. All he does is to destroy all kinds of love by enforcing his ideology of pure blood. He draws strength from it until there is no more love.

[@rickylau5443]

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[@jeffburnham6611]

Kreia wears the trappings of a Jedi, and offers council, but she is Sirh through and through. In that regard she is no different than Palpatine was, and how he manipulated Anakin. I always knew there was something odd about her character, which is why in some ways KOTOR 2 was better than the prequel game.

[@aidenaitken3913]

See, I don't know. Kreia certainly went Dark Side long before meeting the Exile, and goes back at the end. But it feels to me that what Kreia learned from both sides is - no one should use the Force. Manipulating the mechanics of reality itself cheapens the existence of everyone effected. I think her plan was to eliminate the Jedi, then the Sith, then simply allow the galaxy to forget about the Force so that powerful individuals would stop killing entire planets in the pursuit of power. Ah man KOTOR was so awesome

[@DBArtsCreators]

@@aidenaitken3913 I wouldn't say Kreia ever "goes back" to the dark side. She simply is; it's just that at the end of the game she let's her illusion fall (remember that multiple times it's mentioned that Kreia has "the markings of the Sith/dark side" - Mical, Hanharr, the Jedi Masters). She isn't a Sith in the same way Jolee isn't a Jedi. They are both just old people on adventures beyond their years.

[@animore8626]

Calling her "sith through and through" is a pretty big oversimplification. She wears the title of her old Sith name at the end, but you can argue that could be so that she could attract the presence of Sion onto Trayus Academy, not that she's genuinely accepting the teachings of the Sith. The Sith want power. They want to use the force for their own ends and dominate over others. Kreia doesn't want the Force to even exist. She wants to *stop* its domination and it's incessant cycle of balance. She wants to liberate the galaxy from its clutches. You can argue she's a manipulative old hag who uses others, of course. She's filled with flaws. But she's not truly sith.

[@ShirtFan]

Everything Kreia did in Kotor 2 was to teach the Exile to be better than her, to be what she could not be. Taking every moment to impart a life lesson about the consequences of actions and the unforeseen repercussions the actions of a single person can have. Throughout the game, Kreia herself is telling you to trust the force has taken you on your path for a reason. It's an interesting trait of hers, Darth Traya hates the force, but Kreia, who also hates the force, doesn't waste her energy fighting it. And Kreia was right. The force took them to Telos not only to reveal Atris's presence to the Exile but to set them on the path to the Jedi Masters and to confirm to Kreia where Darth Nihilous needed to fall. You can say Kreia was "Sith through and through," but she set up each of the sith lords to fall at the hands of the Exile, including herself. And she did not care whether the Exile chose to be Jedi or Sith or neither. She followed the force through the 4 master worlds (except the one she thought would shift her alignment Korriban), as the Exile healed the world in some way. Making the Exile confront their past on Onderon and again on Korriban. To show them the true extent of their influence on Nar Shadda. Helping build up the Jedi on Dantoine (or tearing them down if you go Dark), only to be exiled again due to Jedi hypocrisy and ignorance. Kreia defends you against the failings of the Jedi, but her lesson isn't over. Kreia then flees to Telos, guiding the Exile with her breadcrumbs and having already tricked Nihilous into heading there himself. Kreia forces Atris to admit she's fallen to the Dark Side, and Atris stays there to fight the Exile. This is so the Exile can see for themselves, that not only were the Jedi hypocritical, the Jedi code is flawed, and that war isn't the only call to the dark side. Then Nihilous arrives to feed on Atris's "Jedi Academy", only to discover the world was rather empty of life in general. Weakened by this, Visas' connection to Nihilous, and the fact the Exile never needed the force, made Nihilous fall easy. Kreia did this to show the Exile the failings of the Sith, that no matter how much "power" the dark side gives them, their dependency weakens them. The Sith can't cheat death, no matter how hard they try. Afterwards, Kreia leads the Exile back to Malachor, where the Exile confronts Sion. The battle with Sion reinforces the idea from fighting Nihilous, although Sion is tougher because outside of using to force to keep his body together, he fights with real skill. But once his control over the force falters, he dies like all Sith before and after him. Sion's strength came from nothing he was doing with the force, and once he lost that he faded. Finally, there is the fact Kreia reassumed the role of Darth Traya. Why would she want the Exile to defeat her if Darth Traya was perfect? Because Darth Traya is a dark side perversion. In essence it was Kreia's final warning of how NOT to follow her teachings. There will always be people who will fall to the dark side, who betray those around them, and who use the force for their own means. Stripping the galaxy of the force will not solve anyone's problems, it's just another perversion of the dark side that will kill millions. Don't try to remove the force, it's a reality of the world, teach Jedi or Sith why they don't need it. Kreia didn't advocate for stripping the galaxy of the force until she reverted to Darth Traya.

[@burpbot7555]

Kreia is so pathetically jealous of Visas.

[@julianG1212]

So if the Jedi are dead he will even destroy the sith emperor

[@lordofcreativity9637]

Eventually he would certainly aspire to do that. He needs to feed continuously in an attempt to keep his ever present hunger at bay. I would imagine the emperor would provide quite the feast for him and his empire would be enough to keep him sated for a time.