Kreia on The Valley of the Dark Lords

[@Neverhoodian]

I could listen to Kreia for hours. What I wouldn't give for an audiobook of her recounting a complete history of the Sith...but that will sadly never come to pass now.

[@goink3368]

Her voice actress did narrate some audio books actually

[@steve8278]

@Fearless Composer Sara Kestelman

[@michaelblower7363]

Sara Kestelman doing a an audio of the Book of Sith, imagine how much of a seller that would be? XD

[@BenTenpenny]

Old comment but an audio book about the sith narrated by her voice actress, from Kreias point of view, would be quite awesome.

[@kinbolluck476]

INWOULD BUT UTS SIO TIRI G

[@RandoGrunt]

What I like about Kreia chiding redemption, is that picking the optimistic "Nobody is beyond redemption" comment actually gains influence with her. She may think such concepts are silly, but deep down, she very much likes that notion. It comes to play during the end game when you tell her you've come to save her and she confess she really wanted to hear those words.

[@farkasabel]

@Fatelyne That grand master luke who tried to kill kylo ren in his sleep?

[@farkasabel]

@Fatelyne I prefer the dark empire version of him.

[@NiceAwesomeDude]

Remember though while she says she wanted to hear those words, she ultimately rejects the notion. Liking the principle in theory alone, not in practical application, at least not to herself.

[@mauruhkatigaming4807]

@@farkasabel And the one who abandoned his promise not to fight Darth Vader the moment he said a single mean sentence about his sister.

[@LordTyph]

Well, you're challenging her views and forcing her to think too. As the student learns from the master, so too does the master learn from the student...

[@chibidakis1]

You forgot one " *FOOL* You have disturbed the spirits of this place!"

[@daphilakadong9914]

That wasn't Kreia. That was the spirits of those corpses.

[@chrisnava3968]

*hissing noises intensifies*

[@BlackDiamond2718]

(Prepares lightning storm and force buffs)

[@BlackDiamond2718]

@Hela Goddess of Death dooku lightning: smaller than i thought Palpatine: thats not bad Starkiller: the eternal flame

[@shambleshef]

Worth it (especially if planning on making a lvl 50 character)

[@CD-Freedom]

Has anyone thought about how Dantooine and Korriban are the only planets we get to go to in both Kotor games and that the two are kinda mirror images of each other? In Kotor, we see both worlds sprawling with people. Jedi, Sith, and civilians. Then Malak destroyed Dantooine and Revan ended up purging Korriban. Skip to Kotor 2, 5 years later and both worlds are in ruins. People have become scavengers. Jedi and Sith have become so much less than what they were. I think its one of the many awesome parallels in the games that you don’t notice right away.

[@BlackDiamond2718]

And both temples to their religion

[@alexb9969]

But do we know what happens to Dantooine? Taris, for example, was rebuilt by a new, liberal government. And we know that Dantooine was of some relevance during the Rebellion's time, or maybe the only reason for having a secret military base there is that Dantooine's an unpopulated, isolated planet

[@parkerdixon-word6295]

The two always felt like parallels in KotOR 1- half the sith you redeem flee to dantoine, and I think if you kill Juhani, her girlfriend turns to the dark side and goes to Korriban. That, combined with them each providing you with their own order's code, and through it their philosophy, and they make compelling mirror images of eachother. But I don't think that mirror hold up in KotOR 2- the two worlds have followed different trajectories and not really ones that have much relation. Korriban is all but abandoned, and Dantooine has a whole, actual plotline going on about its settlers and place in the galaxy.

[@Rinku588]

Oh my god how did I not see this????

[@JoelPerry1]

Kinda cool to hear about Ragnos. He shows up in Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy

[@TheNord06]

All EU follows a narrative. It is not airtight but lucasfilms and their canon office took time to organize many people that were contributing to it.

[@revolverocelot1380]

@@TheNord06 Nah they did a bad job.

[@MontoFAR]

His first appearance is in 1996 comic The Golden Age of the Sith, part of Tales of the Jedi series. It starts with his funeral, and then his spirit stops a fight between Naga Sadow and Ludo Kresh. Their tombs are also in K1 (star map) and K2 (ilussions)

[@Jedioutcast]

Revolver Ocelot better than the sequels by a mile. Also this Bitch is wearing perfume

[@deadshot5007]

@@Jedioutcast Of course hundreds of books, dozens of video games and comics are better than three movies

[@anodyne5368]

I still think about that huge black holocron behind the jammed door.

[@PapitoQinn]

I know what to do with it. I will make a video about it in the near future.

[@theia1653]

A sealed door on Korriban was already creepy enough, nothing good behind it, even creepier is blowing it open and finding a jet black pyramid.

[@ignitedirewolf]

and it's made of _Obsidian._

[@charzardking0199]

@@ignitedirewolf insert clip of Ostrich from family guy going "ah ha" here

[@harryunderwood9387]

If you found it broken, then you listened to Kreia's teachings. Good for you.

[@ChrisPC11]

If there's one thing I learned about KOTOR II and this scene in particular, it's that sometimes the worst evil is the SILENT kind. All Korriban was at this point and time, was a graveyard of evil, waiting to be reawakened and unleashed on the galaxy in the most horrific way possible. Never underestimate your enemy. Especially one such as the Sith.

[@daedric1387]

Ahh home sweet home...

[@TriTomMaximum]

It's moments like this that really makes me appreciate Lucas Star Wars. They really wanted to elude how grand and powerful the ancient Force Users were while giving you just enough information to want to know more. Disney Star Wars feels like it doesn't want to acknowledge anything outside of the mainstream movies, which really makes the galaxy smaller more than anything.

[@hellsfireydeath]

"Redemption is merely a form of spiritual collapse, a fall few recover from." God this game had writing so far beyond its time. I wish the new SW movies were copying this instead of the original trilogy.

[@PapitoQinn]

Agreed. Although it does seem like they're taking some things from it.

[@Overlich]

The new movies are the end of the franchise. I stick with 4-6 (1-3 are ok too) and kotor now.

[@PapitoQinn]

Mannimarco Rising Oh you better believe it is not over. Disney is going to milk this cow to the bone.

[@Overlich]

Papito Qinn Of course. That‘s what i meant with over. They‘ll destroy everything we love. With the new movies they will destroy every piece of childhood memories. They go on until the movies don‘t sell anymore but they will because they attract the new generation of youngsters and casuals.

[@PapitoQinn]

Mannimarco Rising Well, I'm not gonna resign the franchise just yet. I haven't seen The Last Jedi yet, but Disney has access to very talented people, so it's likely that they'll produce quality stuff here and there. But being a big fan of KOTOR 2, I'll say this: Disney is playing it too safe.

[@Erik_Korol]

2:08 I love the shade of awe when she speaks about Marka Ragnos. You can tell by her voice alone how great he truly was. The attention to small details is astonishing in this game. Well... In some places.

[@marioivoci736]

Korriban always gave me chills when i played kotor 1 and kotor 2

[@revanvonheaven8270]

Korriban is Mars.

[@Ashguy733]

Its interesting when Darth Bane as a student of the Brotherhood of Darkness leaves the Academy they created upon the ruins of the old one in hopes of finding something among the Tombs to prove that the ancient Sith had something to offer over the teachings of the Brotherhood. Yet finds nothing but clarity that the Sith have changed and had betrayed the tenants of the Sith Code and the ideas of the individual, freedom and the rule of the strong. I think he would agree with Kreia on Ajunta Pal in particular.

[@aamirrazak3467]

Indeed. it was cool to me to read about bane visiting lehon after revan and korrivan after kreia and the exile. The Sith lost their way and fell from the teachings of their order, dooming them to infighting. Bane understood that, destroyed the brotherhood and rebuilt them into something far better than before

[@StarboyXL9]

@@aamirrazak3467 It was more than that. The Sith had changed so much they had ceased to be Sith and become merely Dark Jedi pretenders to the Sith name. Sith do not form Brotherhoods for one, fratricide, matricide and patricide are part of the Sith Way. As a Sith you must be ready to kill those you care for when they cease to be any kind of asset to you on your quest for power and self-actualization. Furthermore, the "New Sith" based their entire identity as "Sith" on being the opposing force to the Jedi. Their identity was entirely about being anti-Jedi rather than being pro-Sith. For another thing, their laws about preventing internal strife were wholly uncharacteristic of both the Sith and the Dark Side. The Sith are a Darwinian order, if your rival can kill you, you deserve to perish, according to true Sith philosophy. Refusing to embrace this made the New Sith individually weak, which meant in order to succeed in their war against the Jedi, they had to rely more and more on strength in numbers and unity, both of which are Jedi traits, antithetical to the Sith.

[@saberiandream316]

​@@StarboyXL9 Yeah, no different than Xanatos or Brakiss.

[@BlackDiamond2718]

This is why the sith failed. Evil eats itself alive because it is selfish in its nature. To be selfish to an evil extent is to feed on everything at the cost of solitude. Their fall was expected so Darth Bane was wise to create the rule of two to preserve their legacy.

[@powderedwiglouis1238]

@@BlackDiamond2718 also means their entire **order** can be wiped out by killing 2 people

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

One of the best games ever. And no doubt the best conversations and narration. Nothing comes even close. What a masterpiece

[@Warmaker01]

This game would have been so much better if it had more time for development. I remember getting this when it came out and you couldn't help but feel it got rushed out the door. It's unfortunate because this game pushed the boundaries of a Star Wars story with some great characters, dialogue.

[@highlander723]

If you still have the game or you purchase it from Steam there's a mod that puts a lot of the missing material back into the game and the game is like a thousand percent better. www.moddb.com/mods/the-sith-lords-restored-content-mod-tslrcm

[@jon7684]

highlander723 xbox gang :(

[@aamirrazak3467]

facts the dialogue story and depth for this game were incredible, it's such a shame that it was so rushed in development. Even what we got was pretty fantastic

[@TheAwesomeDarkNinja]

Why is Obsidian cursed to have rushed developments?

[@horiascarlat6109]

@@TheAwesomeDarkNinja because they are a studio that loves what they do and they take their time to perfect their creations. unfortunately, the majority of studios, and especially the publishers, only care about the material benefits and their financial status.

[@willmorris8198]

0:56 "If you were to face an ancient sith lord in combat, you would learn that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters."

[@89BlackGatomon]

Kreia is not wrong... Some things Vader did should make it impossible to become a forceghost by returning to the light...

[@PapitoQinn]

The only prerequisite that we know of to become one with the force, is to not be imbued with the dark side at the time of death. In his final moments, Vader killed the emperor, saving his son, and brought balance to the force again. Vader did monstrous things that perhaps should disqualify him, but that's subjective. It is Kreia's *opinion* that Ajunta Pall didn't deserve redemption. Clearly the force disagrees.

[@Colyo62]

luke redeemed him before he died

[@PapitoQinn]

Colyo Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that he redeemed himself?

[@Colyo62]

Papito Qinn "I can still save you!" "You already have, my son"

[@PapitoQinn]

Coylo Sure Luke had a hand in it, without him he never would have made the choice to kill the emperor, but it was ultimately Anakin's choice. A choice that involved taking a life by the way.

[@MarcusLeziria]

I Remember when I Played KoTOR the first time 20 years ago. Amazed that Revan got powers so fast. He finished his training in weeks instead of years. The rediscovery of Rakatan Empire from the Star Maps. Finaly discovering that Malak’s master was I. And 2 years later I played KoTOR II

[@Inddesign]

I am green with envy, not only I came late to the games but someone spoiled the big reveal for me in kotor I about kotor II I am about to play it... I hope to live to see more of this timeline or characters 😢 my apologies for the long comment! best wishes! 😂

[@wozzow00]

This is just one of many reasons why this game needs a remake, better graphics, a completed storyline, the same VO’s and you would have possibly the best game of all time.

[@jakobrenner2230]

But if the fans start working on a remake they'll end up like Kotor Apeiron did

[@djd770]

Story is incredible, clunky gameplay makes it kinda tough for new players to jump into though so I mainly just watch youtube videos of the games.

[@bluehero-96]

There's a lot of third act content that I'd rewrite. Then again, I'd make Revan the protagonist again, and the Exile the prominent companion. Maybe expand the max party limit to five as well.

[@chvjdvpa3746]

@@bluehero-96 Glad you're not in charge of the project

[@bluehero-96]

@@chvjdvpa3746 Why not? Revan is only mentioned every five or ten minutes because the game is about cleaning up his mess. He might as well be the one who's cleaning it up, and help the Exile, too. Plus, bumping up the party limit is only rational.

[@DarkenedEclipse]

I remember playing this and nearly crapping this when I looted the corpses and the spirits attacked.

[@getheroutofthetruck]

this game was so good, I took two days off work to play it.

[@b3at2]

those were the days....

[@gigatronusprime]

Damn. Respect

[@javierwinn405]

When she talked about redemption i can imagine a backgroud of vader,dooku,exar kun,ulic qel droma,ajunta pall,kylo ren,darth cadus,darth krayt,kaan,gifftany,ventress,revan,malak,kreia,master jerric,the grand inquisitor,the fifth brother,bastila shan,darth ruin,freedon nadd,quinlan vos,karness muur. All were noble jedi that became infamous sith lords or dark jedi.

[@Rinku588]

Man, I remember loving the backstory she taught us. Never knew about the Tales of the Jedi comics where all these stories were first told

[@TheGeneral1292]

The game you see before you is part of the plundered ruins of the ancient Expanded Universe. Each game, comic and novel was once infused with the history of the old Legends, containing powerful characters with meaningful stories. However, it wasn’t long before it’s success attracted the greedy eyes of the curious, the fools and the weak. And so it’s intellectual property fell, spilling it’s secrets into the hands of those unable to comprehend or preserve them. Here, in the New Canon, you can just barely see the Disney story writers crude efforts to recreate the magic of the ancients. The new owners of the franchise sought to profit quickly by copying elements of the Old Canon. I can only imagine what was ruined forever, due to the carelessness of these amateurs. Now, the New Canon’s success has almost been completely undone by five years of negative feedback, so does SW’s fan community protects it’s secrets.

[@PapitoQinn]

Well done

[@DraculaCronqvist]

That was both marvelous and true.

[@luigirock96]

Star wars is a franchise for kids right now. 90% of the fans dont understand this fact. They dont want to make star wars too dark, otherwise it lurs the kids away. They gain profit mostly from kids since they sell toys. Thats why they dont put effort nor focus on the old era stuff. If it was too dark and bloody it would scare kids, they can please the fans (us) easily but it would cost too much inorder to do that. And it would give small profit.

[@DraculaCronqvist]

@@luigirock96 Yes, but that's exactly the tragedy of it. And besides, things for kids can still be entertaining and deep if done right.

[@luigirock96]

@@DraculaCronqvist yes that is true but most fans, want darker star wars more saber battles and darker sith with death. If you look at rants on youtube regarding the other films. That is a path disney cant risk sadly.

[@DinsRune]

I can't help but feel a little sad at the state of Korriban. So much history lost, never to be known again.

[@keyabrade1861]

I don't feel sad. Sure, the history's gone...but some things are better left buried.

[@khemval4364]

Don't worry In SWTOR, Korriban becomes filled with people again

[@Theseamus2000]

I think the most interesting aspect of this conversation with kreia is that you can disagree with her here and say no one is beyond saving and her statement disagrees with you but it stills gain influence with her Deep down she wanted to hear that

[@starwarzchik112]

Kreia’s second job as a tour guide lol

[@naughtyskywalker9292]

Sign me up. Do I get a freebie shirt at the end of the tour.

[@GMMReviews]

I love how Kreia talks about Marks Ragnos, and you fight him in Jedi Academy, a game that came out a year before this game, but takes place thousands of years after than this game. *”That was the magic of Star Wars. Now it’s gone. Now they flushed it down the fucking toilet.”* - Mike Stoklasa

[@Stei_n]

Mike brought that to himself with his non stop whining about the prequels and how much he despises George.

[@konradcurze8176]

Stein George could have done a much better job with the prequels. They deserved all the criticism they received. Too bad Star Wars is an utter joke now though. I almost miss George at this point.

[@Stei_n]

@@konradcurze8176 most of the arguments against the prequels were minor nitpick most people had because they couldn't understand a movie made for 12 year old.

[@konradcurze8176]

Stein The dialogue is so cancerous that I recognized it was bad even when I was a child. How can you even defend the script? CGI has also held up quite terribly as well. Three looks ok at best, but even that will grow worse in a few years. Twelve year olds deserve better, frankly.

[@Stei_n]

@@konradcurze8176 okay let's start with CGI you do realise this was the beginning of CGI? Of course it looks bad now its CGI it ages but this was the first instance of it. The dialogue:just because some parts are kinda weird doesn't make the whole dialogue "cancerous" and episode 3 is widely regarded as the best star wars movie so no it won't grow worse in a few years.

[@traydee031]

Kreia should have a guided bus tours business on Korriban

[@morbidlyobeserobocop3038]

"Redemption is merely a form of spiritual collapse." Fuck.

[@Garmagic2yFhenrakh9]

0:30 Atton: "Why are you looking at me? I've never been here before!"

[@eivindgj3761]

LOL

[@agb8764]

Well said. This could have been SW next level.

[@Xylarxcode]

Star Wars when writers know what the fuck they are doing. KOTOR is SW at its absolute finest and is easily my favorite part of the whole franchise, including the original trilogy movies. The OG trilogy may have come first, but KOTOR did it better. These games are where it's at and they're not even canon anymore. Such a shame. KOTOR and KOTOR II are still, to this day, the very best SW has to offer, imo.

[@Khainite]

I do like that Kreia criticizes the redemption of Ajunta Pall. I've had the same issue with the redemption of Anakin/Vader for a long time. I doubt it's a popular opinion, but I agree with her. To fall so far and to do such horrendous things for so long and then be forgiven for them is ridiculous. Vader slaughtered the Jedi, children and all before going on to enforce the Emperor's will across the galaxy for 20 years. Who knows how many innocents died under his command, how many lost their homes and their families and lives because of how far he'd fallen? He did watch as Alderaan was destroyed. Billions of lives were snuffed out instantly. It was clear in that moment that any trace of Anakin was gone. Vader threw his lot in with Palpatine and the Sith and was forever damned. That's how I'd prefer it to be at least. I know there are plenty of religions connotations with Vader's redemption, and that it's a pleasant message that even one as evil as Darth Vader could be redeemed in the end. But I don't like it. Ajunta Pall and Vader both made their choices and became who they were. You can't damn a man for every mistake in his past. Otherwise none of us would be left. But there is a point of no return, and both men reached that point when they took on the title of Sith Lord, like many that became Sith before. To be redeemed after committing so much evil is weak and foolish in my opinion. Some people don't deserve that. It's weak of the ones that are forgiving the man and weak of the man for turning his back on the person he'd become. I prefer the immense tragedy of knowing your soul is damned but continuing on rather than living a life of evil and then apologizing to save yourself at the very end.

[@PapitoQinn]

There is a difference between redemption and absolution. What you're saying is that you wouldn't absolve Vader due to his actions. But he was redeemed. People can change and he changed back into someone who wouldn't do all those things he did as Vader. But he wasn't absolved, which requires 3rd party acceptance of his transition. We came up with the idea of prison as a means for absolution. Then many countries decided to use it as a means to both redeem and absolve. While other countries maintain a absolution approach, it can lead to both, but many times also only leading to one or the other.

[@javierwinn405]

Anakin did say to luke that it was too late,luke may forgiving him,obi wan may have forgiving him but the not the living,maybe anakin in death know this. He may have been destined to be a sith lord anyway.

[@DoctorXander]

There's a book where Leia expresses that idea and refuses to forgive Anakins ghost, I think it's the Truce of Bakura

[@battlesheep2552]

I wouldn't say Vader was "redeemed", I think the point was that it's never too late to stop being an evil prick and do something good for once. I think one innacurate notion is the idea that becoming a force ghost is like Jedi Heaven, when it's more like you are spending your afterlife doing the bidding of The Force. Anakin will likely be atoning for his evil deeds for countless millenia.

[@LordProteus]

I agree with what she said about Ajunta Paul. To "redeem" such an evil monster is an injustice to those they killed and tormented. Their victims did not get a second chance, but the monster does. Unforgivable.

[@DraculaCronqvist]

Which is precicely why Vader's redemption at the end of ROTJ was bullshit. He was a monster. He never became "Vader", he was always Anakin and just revealed himself for the egomaniac he always was. He killed millions, if not billions of his own free will and used the loss of two people close to him as an excuse for uncountable atrocities.

[@eveahn9595]

The alternative is to leave him at the tomb so that someone finds him in the future to make another evil thing happen. It's better to calm the evil spirits and make them dissappear despite the things they've done so that they don't do evil things again.

[@michaelensign8962]

Honestly, Luke's conviction that he wasn't too far gone is something I always felt made for really silly writing. He MURDERED CHILDREN, FORCED LEIA (one of his best friends) TO WATCH HER HOMEPLANET GET VAPORIZED, spearheaded a tyrannical regime, killed freedom fighters FROM LUKE'S FACTION left and right, tortured Han without even asking any questions and later risked his life just to test a carbonite chamber, potentially lied about being Luke's father (obviously it's canon truth but he gave him zero evidence) just to bait him into a power scheme against his own master (after mutilating his own son's hand), etc... In the end, sure, despite his severe flaws he wasn't completely heartless, but there's no atoning for what he'd done and Luke had nothing to go on besides Obi-Wan's hyperbole and Vader's clear unapologetic shows of villainy-there are no grounds for sympathy, not to mention no previous build-up to what ended up happening. Did he just pull his beliefs out of his ass?

[@michaelensign8962]

ANONYMOUS Not as far as he knew at the time; also, brothers and sisters can also be friends or enemies separately.

[@stephenjenkins7971]

@@michaelensign8962 Well, he literally sensed that there was good in him apparently, so it didn't come from nowhere.

[@Irmarinen]

But what is the point in knowlegde known by and used by none? In her words, the sith way is to compete, even if it means doom, so those who dared enter the tombs in search for power and knowlegde, can we say they were trully wrong?

[@sonicx7410]

You can't, the Sith are represented as the evil users of the force but by their perspective it's just their version of what they believe the good side of the force is; expressing yourself and letting go to understand the full teachings that is the force at the cost of being corrupted by the new knowledge gained. Neither side has the answers to what the force is and how to use it. That's why I like the ideals of the grey Jedi, using both sides of the force to protect peace in the galaxy.

[@TheSzymax]

sonicx7410 Stop with the fuckin gray jedi nonsense. Through the entire galactic history they achieved nothing. The jedi preserved peace and made it so galaxy lived in relative order for thousands of years. And sure you can say that jedi in kotor were bunch of morons. And i would agree with that, but you cant blame the entirety of the order for mistakes of a few.

[@felixdumbravescu2725]

"mistakes of a few" more like the entire idea is a mistake, the Jedi's hate for the Dark Side only lead others to fall to it, the higher you are the harder it is when you fall. The Grey Jedi achieved nothing because they were in the minority and could't do anything about the 2 main ideologies that clash with one another.

[@LordTyph]

@@felixdumbravescu2725 We're talking about ideologies that have changed and morphed throughout the millennia. The Jedi Council during the time of KOTOR and the Jedi Council during the time of the Clone Wars are very much different beasts, for instance. Not only that, the Jedi aren't wrong about the Dark Side leading to bad stuff. I mean, look at Emperor Palpatine. Look at the various Sith characters who embrace selfishness and wanton violence. Who revel in their power over others. The KOTOR council's error was taking it to extremes, which served them little. A Jedi should not be prone to being constantly emotional but that does not mean closing off and denying your emotions. One must be willing to think of one's self at times because if you cannot help yourself, how can you think of helping others? The failings of the Jedi should not make us forget that, from what I've seen, *it is often those aligned with the Dark Side that cast the first stone.* If anyone's causing the cycle to repeat over and over, *it is the Sith.*

[@felixdumbravescu2725]

@@LordTyph A good assessment, the Jedi can always improve they're ways, and frankly so can the Sith if they weren't blinded by they're own power hunger and other selfish desires ( see The Old Republic era for some exceptions in the Sith who weren't completely lost to the dark side )

[@LauklynGorena]

What I don’t understand is how Naga Sadow’s remains are on Korriban because he was killed on Yavin IV by Freedon Nadd so either Nadd put his remains on Korriban or the writers have some explaining to do

[@Vazkiel]

Sith Lords had there tombs built while they were still alive. Ego and vanity to make sure their tombs were made to their specifications. Especially so with Naga Sadow that his was built in the complex where the Rakatan Star Map is, a focal point of Dark Side Energy. His tombs on Korriban never held his remains, you are correct that Sadow was buried on Yavin 4 in a temple built by his Massassi Warriors. Sadow died in exile after the fall of the Ancient Sith Empire in the Great Hyperspace War.

[@Vazkiel]

Naga Sadow died of natural causes in his exile. Freedon Nadd destroyed Sadow's spirit, many years after Sadow bodily death.

[@theia1653]

I always take Mical and Mandalore for Korriban. 2 Jedi, 1 Mandalorian, we should be safe. Visas stays to guard the ship. I don't get why the cave is to be explored after you explore the academy. Shouldn't you be running all the way back to the ship for immediate takeoff after fleeing from a Sith lord?

[@asheer9114]

@A Thought Crime: Because Tomb of Freedon Naad (if recall it correctly) is a necessary point in the game which shapes Exile's further journey by confronting him/her with his/her war past... so you could enter the cave as Light Side Jedi but exit as Dark Side one - and reverse if you play Dark Side character.

[@juanlaise1059]

A Thought Crime Remember that the Exile may not be strong enough to enter the cave the first time. It's likely that he/she left Korriban escaping Sion and returned later.

[@player2-lightwater914]

@@asheer9114 Tomb of Ludo Kreesh. Freedon Nadd's tomb is in Dxun

[@player2-lightwater914]

@@juanlaise1059 The exile cannot enter the cave is because he/she is not strong enough in the dark side/light side of the Force

[@kyle21843]

i know im late on this but i know when i played through the game twice both times i did korriban first for some reason. i actually think i did dantoine last

[@Mr_Gray_1995]

The Ancient Sith Lords are so intriguing

[@mirjanaivoci4799]

Korriban is my favorite planet because you can strongly feel the dark side of the force

[@florianzagonyi9076]

I know darker planets, than Korriban. For example: Dromund Kaas or Malachor 5.

[@DraculaCronqvist]

@@florianzagonyi9076 No planet is darker than Korriban. It is the birthplace of the Sith and the epitome of the Dark Side Philosophy.

[@florianzagonyi9076]

@@DraculaCronqvist Maybe there are no darker places than Korriban, but the atmosphere of Dromund Kaas and Malachor 5 scares me much better than this.

[@DraculaCronqvist]

@@florianzagonyi9076 That I can understand. Korriban is mysterious, Malachor 5 is dreadful. Korriban is a tomb world of buried mysteries, Malachor 5 is a dead world full of evil.

[@BlackDiamond2718]

@@florianzagonyi9076 malachor is the worst

[@yaujj65]

I wonder about the redemption of Ajunta Pall. Of course there were discussions between redemption and absolution but I am not sure how Ajunta was redeemed. All he did was accepting to be part of the Force. There is nothing much he did to redeem himself except laying him to peace. Although her description of Ajunta’s “redemption” is fitting because he could not handle suffering much longer.

[@BlackDiamond2718]

If a movie is ever made for this, i had the idea for helen miren. This is the heart of star wars itself. Here you can truly see the deepness of the fandom of star wars. When the jedi and the sith were tested not just in terms of power and strength but also in resolve and will. Star trek has done the same but people do not see it here because they blind themselves to the failures of greedy agendas in the new movies.

[@juliangiangrande7353]

Tulak hord probably invented the juyo technique

[@ilkvomit88]

Every single Sith Lord featured during this part of the game can easily have either a Trilogy based on them or a TV series.

[@gabethebabe3337]

I swear it’s like if LOTR was Star Wars.

[@khymaaren]

@Fearless Composer LotR created a genre, one which Star Wars is also a part of. Fantasy as we know it is walking down the path first carved by Tolkien. I think LotR is just fine as it is.

[@DoctorXander]

You can read about most of what Kreia talks about in the Tales of the Jedi comics, mainly the parts concerning Naga Sadow. They are a bit dated being from the 90s and written before the prequels so they made some interesting conclusions about what the rules of the Star Wars universe were.

[@Whitmannn]

2019 too doctor Xander

[@DraculaCronqvist]

@@khymaaren Tolkien invented many tropes, it is true. But to call him the inventor of fantasy and to extoll his writing as the foundation of the entire genre is simply wrong. Tolkien stole much of what he wrote and changed it only very slightly, or not at all. I love his works, I do, but if you have read any of the old Norse poems and epics, you quickly come to realize that Tolkien plundered them for ideas, relentlessly. What Tolkien wrote was essentially just a modernized take on the several centuries old fantasy stories of the Norsemen.

[@khymaaren]

@@DraculaCronqvist You confuse myths and folklore (stories that very often have no author) with modern fantasy. If you have said George MacDonald, Lewis Carrol, Edgar Rice Burroughs whose works predate Tolkien, I would have said fair enough. With Tolkien came high fantasy, though, and it propelled the whole genre into the mainstream as the man became an influence for many others to come.

[@christopherthrawn1333]

Thanks for this. I miss playing this incredible game.

[@frostyguy1989]

I mean, Steam is selling it for pocket change right now, so it's a good time to snap it up.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

And if you haven't tried yet, also implement the Restored Content Mod and M4-78 for the game proper.

[@Gorvar100]

Hey Tulak Hord! I raided his tomb in SWTOR with my Sith Inquisitor! Met Khem there :)

[@DarkKing009]

3:47 Redemption was the best part. I feel it's called out kylo Ren and Darth Vader for killing millions of people and then I think big reading and afterwards

[@thelahna-8747]

funny how I see korriban differently in this game, after i have spent so much time with the SWTOR. :D

[@michaelensign8962]

3:56 Mmm, Kylo Ren would've loved Traya

[@WillHal1000]

This was better than TROS.

[@YuriXEstelle]

You are correct, but this game does deserve to be compared to that atrocity.

[@ayyo5971]

Grace robbers....smiles in revan

[@WillieManga]

The Kotor canon kinda overlaps with some of the other games. In particular, Jedi Academy, where you fight Marka Ragnos.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

Ah, this cesspool sure hasn't changed much in at least five years. It will in at least 3,965 years, however.

[@carcrash1875]

I was there yesterday :)

[@flipyapd2321]

Man I want this game remastered

[@friscobaypelican3153]

3:50 good bookmark for me. Ignore.

[@michaelexman5474]

redemption is a form of spiritual collapse, i like it

[@googlebarbaralernerspectre2581]

Kreia was a female star wars antagonist created right. Not like Rey.

[@PapitoQinn]

Was she really the antagonist?

[@DraculaCronqvist]

*character. Kreia was never an antagonist. Those who think her a villain are fools.

[@ggt47]

TheMarker2015 L.S Or was she a teacher?

[@oooooooooorly]

This is a bad take, and reveals that you didn't actually listen to the dialogue (or fully explore the dialogue options) at the end of the game. Kreia plotted her own demise on Malachor. She admits it, if you ask - moreover, if you have sufficient skill in persuasion, Atris will inform you of it earlier than that. The threat of killing the force was necessary to draw the Exile to Malachor, as a final "test." Kreia's trule goal was to end what currently remained of the Jedi and the Sith, so that the Exile might remain and the Exile's teachings not be forgotten. "You are not a Jedi, not truly, and it is for that that I love you."

[@ggt47]

@@oooooooooorly ...yes...

[@darthrevan3342]

Question if youd ecide Revan was Dark sided does teh dialog change?

[@PapitoQinn]

It does, yes. Kreia instead says that Revan sent Ajunta Pall's spirit to oblivion.

[@paulkeith9513]

I think a lot manhua got the idea of a secret master teaching the MC to boost their stats,.. I think a lot was borrowed from this series, book and game. Ultimately, I think all knowledge is borrowed from Truth. Truth fixes and makes everything back to it's original self. I think the truth behind this story, and others, I.e a Master helping the MC, is borrowed from the reality of the Holy Spirit. GodHood guiding man to return to everything he can become.. I had thought God was a dark horse, but I recently learned He is good and won't let us fail, if we'll walk with Him and listen to Him..

[@justuswarren8965]

0:57 say the ancient sith lord speaking right now and if she's in the sequels with Rey it'll be a child playing with a toy to Darth Traya

[@nathang6376]

I am curious. Kreia advises Meetra to leave the Sith corpses in the valley be, doubting that there is anything of value to be gained by searching them. This is my third time going through KOTOR II, and so far I've heeded her advice each time. But is she correct?

[@PapitoQinn]

She is. If you search them, they have things on them. But nothing valuable enough to be worth fighting what attacks you.

[@BlackDiamond2718]

I just raid because i want to fight. Don’t worry about loot as much.

[@meetrasurrik6982]

I want to live in the Kotor Universe

[@James-sr9vr]

Would be amazing you would actually have a better role unlike in this really world.

[@BlackDiamond2718]

You have to be strong as fuck or it will chew you up.

[@Shou_22]

As awesome as the star wars universe is... It's certainly not a universe you want to be in... Wars is constant and peace is momentary... There will always be death and destruction... And Great jedi is will always fall... But someone will always be there to stop it... And history will always repeats itself...

[@BlackDiamond2718]

@@Shou_22 same goes for any other

[@joshamboh7465]

❤poom

[@louisdemm1758]

I find it sort of odd how she refers to the ancient Sith as being more powerful. I thought the Sith and Jedi grew stronger through the generations. Prime Luke and Palpatine could wipe the floor with any of the old masters.

[@PapitoQinn]

This is in regards to Tulak Hord's lightsaber skills?

[@louisdemm1758]

@@PapitoQinn Legends Luke would mince him I think.

[@imperialwyvern]

EU Luke and Palpatine are exceptions most Jedi and Sith post Russan reformation would curbstomped by the old Masters Jedi and Sith alike.