Krogan Clans | Mass Effect

The irradiated wastelands of Tuchanka have bred a race of ruthless warriors known as the Krogan, feared across the galaxy for their brutal and ferocious fighting prowess.
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[@TemplinInstitute]

Happy N7 Day everyone!

[@christianholbrook2686]

Please make more Mass Effect content. It's one of my favorite game series ever.

[@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547]

Happy N7 day

[@TG-yt1cv]

Happy n7 day

[@helsingS_]

Sorry im late sovern class reaper had me pinned down Also anyone thinking of useing krogen as troops against astarti if necessary they would do better than most ground troops against them

[@rosshickman8743]

Much appreciated templine institute.

[@RockSplitter]

"Tuchanka may be a pile of radioactive rubble, but it's _our_ pile. And we'll fight to the last Krogan to keep it that way." - Urdnot Wrex

[@alphacentauri3069]

RockSplitter radioactive?

[@Tacoguy1000]

Marshall Kuhn They nuked themselves before.

[@1215298]

@@alphacentauri3069 Haha, Gaaarrruusss! I had to make friends with the one Turian in the galaxy who thinks he's funny...

[@jackmanson2719]

Nice

[@MrTappers7]

"I AM URDNOT WREX! AND THIS IS MY PLANET!"

[@CommissarTommy22]

Borders? This is Tuchanka, our borders are determined by the range of our guns.

[@Sir_Bucket]

Funny enough, Tachanka is the name of a russian warvehicule. It was a wagon pulled by horses with a gatling on the top of the vehicule.

[@CommissarTommy22]

@@Sir_Bucket How marvelously Russian

[@gabriel300010]

Old timey technical

[@hippiehippo9030]

Thats a riff of the Spartan saying. "Our border reaches this far **holds out spear**

[@JustABattlesuitPilot]

Heh.

[@gregknight1989]

"That's why I love hanging out with you guys: why shoot something once when you can shoot it 46 more times?"

[@Maezhughes]

That's a krogan for ya.

[@epsilonstudios2014]

“I don’t need luck. I have Ammo”. - Grunt Also... Happy N7 Day 🎉

[@baderminahdin9450]

based Oghren err I mean Grunt

[@joepolitics1218]

“I AM URDNOT WREX! AND THIS. IS MY. PLANET!”

[@Qardo]

"Shepard?"

[@michaelbeemer8019]

“Shepard, MY FRIEND.”

[@osmosisjones2822]

69th Like xD

[@PaiSAMSEN]

"Wrex"

[@Psycorde]

... and this is my rectum

[@michaelbeemer8019]

"We will inflict upon the genophage the greatest insult any enemy can suffer. To be ignored."

[@Infernal460]

A shame that krogan had to die. I think he would have fit in well on the Normandy.

[@caesari3708]

@@Infernal460 He totally would not have. Grunt mentions some of O'Keers teachings. The old Krogan had lots of old hatreds and outdated beliefs. He likely would have only caused trouble specifically with Mordin.

[@Infernal460]

@@caesari3708 I agree their would have been heated debates. But if O'keer gave his word that he would not cause trouble (in exchange for passage off that training planet) I think he would have earned his keep. To be honest I expect him to get on better with Mordin than Jack and Miranda. Edit: Jack with Miranda.

[@TheBenduOrder]

"It wasn't the salarians, or the asari, or even the turians that stopped the rachni. It was krogan blood that turned the tide!"

[@nyeetzsche6078]

@@goctexas1444 I let em both die. Suffer not the xenos to live, brother.

[@peppermintthegoodgoblin3795]

I saved her, I mean once you find out that the rachni have basically been pawns for the reapers and that they were originally a peaceful civilization, it just feels wrong to completely genocide them

[@annguyen-tr3ne]

@@peppermintthegoodgoblin3795 I save her too even before the pawns thing, I'm just not a genocide type. Kill? Maybe but genocide an entire race just didn't feel right. Same with the Genophage

[@peppermintthegoodgoblin3795]

@@annguyen-tr3ne yeah, I throughout all 3 games helped her and at the same time openly spoke about the cruelty of the genophage

[@PurpleH4z3]

@@peppermintthegoodgoblin3795 does she just betray you if you spare them??

[@DarkNova50]

"If I know Grunt, your answer's coming at muzzle velocity."

[@Samael767]

"You do know Grunt. This varren is dead."

[@danielatkins6117]

😂😂😂

[@Darkmountaindweller]

The dialogue in Mass Effect were the best 😂

[@FirstLast-cg2nk]

"The Krogan evolved in a hostile and vicious environment. Until the invention of gunpowder weapons, "eaten by predators" was still the number one cause of Krogan fatalities. Afterwards, it was "death by gunshot"." I always imagined, given how Krogan are, this meant that they just tamed predators and used them in combat. After all, the only thing scarier than an angry Krogan is an angry Krogan riding something that eats other Krogan. Alternatively, I imagine the Krogan loading dangerous predators into catapults to launch at their enemies. Nothing could be more horrifying than a race of beings who launch tigers at you, and if the deadliest thing around is the wildlife, why mess around with swords and spears when you've got beasts that can kill ten times better than you can. "A big rock? Nah, a big rock just hits the ground and squishes a few people. Here's what you do, you launch a big, starved jungle cat covered in pillows at 'em, and the beast'll hit the ground alive, hungry, and angry, and the other side'll be too busy trying to deal with that to fight back. Works even better in a walled city: Fools won't have anywhere to run to."

[@Hello-og]

I think it was more they shot all the predators. And then started shooting each other.

[@kaynealexander4993]

I always imagined years after the Reaper War, Wrex and Grunt would occasionally sat down chugging bottles of ryncol, reminiscing their time fighting alongside Shepard, while watching their descendents live and die throughout the centuries. Happy N7 Day, Commanders.

[@Alex13501]

not gona lie, i would like to see krogans while in some kind of medieval period. Thinking about something like "krogan knight" is pretty neat.

[@SnorlaxFriend]

"Listen 'ere you filthy git, dem Krogan ladz in da dark ages were called choppa ladz" - An Ork

[@dj11o9er]

@@SnorlaxFriend *boyz

[@PaiSAMSEN]

"Shepard" "Wrex" "Shepard" "Wrex" "Shepard" "Wrex"

[@andreproudian7032]

"Shepard Shepard Shepard....comander Shepard" God I loved the citadel dlc in ME3

[@PaiSAMSEN]

@@andreproudian7032 Shepaaaaaard

[@urdnotwrex6969]

Shepaaaaaard

[@andreproudian7032]

Wrex? Grunt?

[@PaiSAMSEN]

@@andreproudian7032 [mini earthquake] Shepaaaaaaaard

[@benjaminthompson6548]

The krogan didn't fail the test... the nukes failed theirs

[@orionslaver432]

"Our greatest insult is to consider someone not worth killing."

[@andreproudian7032]

"First the krogan conquered tuchuncka and mastered a world only we were fit to hold!" -Clan Urdnot shaman

[@UltimateSpinDash]

While there are many criticisms to be had about Star Trek's Prime Directive, the Krogan are a great example why the UFP does not mess around with pre-warp civs. The Krogan were given tech they were not yet prepared to handle responsibly, and ended up being punished for a failure that ultimately wasn't theirs.

[@celsetialarchives5909]

"at test the krogan failed" so much meaning in that statement...but yet they endured...a true testament to their species

[@imember7375]

Suggestions: COG: gears of war Orlesian empire: dragon age The regime: injustice gods among us Columbia: BioShock Mushroom kingdom: Mario bros Great khans: fallout Federation: star trek Bestiary: Rancor: star wars Thestral: harry potter Thresher maw: mass effect Brumak: gears of war Dossier: Tywin lannister: game of thrones Altair ibn la ahad: assassin's creed Thanos: mcu Revan: star wars Master chief: halo Andrew ryan: BioShock High command: Battle of wolf 359: star trek Robert's rebellion: game of thrones Sacking of coruscant: star wars Battle of Hogwarts: harry potter Priority: earth: mass effect

[@fernandorivera4719]

Man, every single one of this suggestions is really decent.

[@lordmoose213]

Revan and his empire would be awesome

[@Sir_Bucket]

Not a single suggestion from Warhammer 40k....HERESY!

[@generalfred9426]

The SCP Foundation can be a good one

[@ant9944]

i member I’d kinda want to see something from Elite Dangerous or more on LOTR, the latter being far more likely.

[@jiado6893]

Even with just this summary, where you don't even hear a Krogan talk, you can tell Mass Effect truly has some of the best writing and world building.

[@urdnotwrex6969]

I AM URDNOT WREX, AND THIS IS MY PLANET!

[@piotrd.4850]

Just realized it - Krogan are basically civilised version of W40k Orcs.

[@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164]

Urdnot Clan leader Wrex was one cool Krogan. He followed Commander Shepard on many adventures. Wrex and his alien friends shot up many Reapers and their allies.

[@Jedi_Spartan_38]

Weird how 343 Grunts from Halo 4/5 look like mini Krogans. Also the fucking over their planet through finding out how to use advanced weapons reminds me of Brutes from the Covenant.

[@urdnotwrex6969]

We always are using our heads. WHEN WE ARE KILLING.

[@jameswilliams7654]

It's as if you guys sensed I was doing another Playthrough of the trilogy. Plus, Happy N7 Day everyone

[@jameswilliams7654]

@Levi Kazama I'm on 1 atm, finally doing a biotic playthrough

[@fakjbf3129]

Fun fact, I just started a trilogy run yesterday and I totally didn't realize that today was N7 Day until this video.

[@PurpleH4z3]

Imso happy that the reboot is completly forgoten

[@scarredchild]

I like how the ease of ending or saving the Krogen is reflected in who is dictating their future. Wrex sees a unified Paragon future; his ending is easier if you see the Krogen as worthy of being saved. While Wreav wants to Renegade his way across the galaxy; thus it is easier to destroy the destroyers. My latest playthrough has a Shepard who was already skeptical of the Krogen becoming a superpower and was willing to give them a second chance because of Mordin. But Wreav solidified his hate and distrust, the last nail in their coffin. I love how RPG this game can be if you imagine just a bit.

[@carloscoronel5114]

One of the best RPGs if you ask me

[@markamadeojohnson]

I thought you were going to mention "the quad" when talking about redundant organs LOL!

[@Captain_Frank_Abagnale]

Red Lantern's Rage poor Deano lol

[@Slavesforsale1]

10:50 "And were rewarded with a cure." Renegade Shepard: Yeeeeaaaaah, about that...

[@aglazeddoughnut5250]

No matter what playthrough I’m doing, paragon of Renegage, I can never re-sterilize the Krogan. I feel no human can justify a genocide, after what we did to ourselves.

[@nyeetzsche6078]

@@aglazeddoughnut5250 I dunno...I've done it and didn't feel too heartbroken, the Krogan have had a lot of chances to prove themselves as more than just murder-hobos, and haven't succeeded. If there's a race that desires little else than to prove themselves the strongest and most powerful, and have no moral issue with going to war to justify it, even to the extent of destroying their civilisation TWICE...well, it may just be in the best interests of every other sentient species in the galaxy to let them continue their self-destructive doom spiral.

[@vincegalila7211]

@@aglazeddoughnut5250 doesn't the genophage give Krogan human birth rate?

[@shadowgod1009]

@@nyeetzsche6078 Also, Krogans are very vengeful. They want payback for the genophage, so curing them is begging for another Krogan rebellion. It's in the galaxies best interest to leave them be. It's not the morally "correct" thing to do, but it's the smartest thing to do. Mordin even says it himself, and you can get him to snap out of his guilt ridden state if you have the right conditions. That way you can prevent the cure and not feel bad afterwards for doing something you probably didn't really want to. Renegade Shepard will always be my favorite. He is not a dickhead as some think, just doing what needs to be done to save everyone and everything. To me that is the most noblest of paths. You can tell Shepard didn't enjoy the "bad" things he had to do. When you stop Mordin, you can tell how upset Shepard is. He just throws his weapon, and then longingly glances back at the shroud afterwards. He is willing to sacrifice anything for the greater good. Something only the strongest and most willed people can do. To me Renegade Shep is a bigger hero than Paragon.

[@nyeetzsche6078]

@@shadowgod1009 I wish that were the case, but the game makes it out to be that renegade is just doing things flat out wrong in terms of war assets. Doing paragon instead of renegade will ALWAYS get more war assets which is a damn shame. I liked the Galaxy at War mod's approach, where paragon is the "go back to save the missing squad, no one left behind" whilst renegade is the "we've lost them we can't lose twice the number of soldiers just to go get that unit back." Also, when I played renegade I felt like I was just being a bit of a brutish dick in too many regular situations for me to be entirely comfortable if I'm being honest.

[@marcusblackwell2372]

Ah yes, the Krogans: the most tragic race in Mass Effect

[@shadowgod1009]

Man, Mass Effect was so damn awesome. It's such a shame that the golden era of video games is over. I doubt we will get another game like these, let alone another actual Mass Effect. So much opportunity left in that series, and such a good and solid lore for foundation. Not many games are like that. I know so much about that universe that it seems I am more familiar with it than my own. I wish I could go back and play Mass Effect for the first time again. It was almost magical. I'll forever remember that game, and the lessons it taught me. Shepard was a role model, I literally looked up to him. A fictional character. If that isn't good storytelling I don't know what is.

[@JoeMartinez18]

We will, but it'll take time.

[@HarvestMoonHowl]

Even when I was playing a Renegade Femshep, I just couldn't have her commit genocide against the Krogan race, betraying Wrex at the same time. She was cunning and ruthless, yes, but not evil. And besides, I kept an alternate save file to see what would happen if you did sabotage the tower and kill Mordin: What happens to Wrex afterwards is heartbreaking.

[@romanzusman2892]

Yet necessary... If the Andromeda project would have been successful the results it produces won't be seen to anyone who survives the war with the Reapers, leaving only a handful of asari, turians and maybe hanars to rebuild the Galaxy. If the Krogan are allowed to be the same warrior nation as they were(and giving their huge lifespan) they would have conquered the known part of the Galaxy by the time Pathfinders will come back with the "good news "

[@SwiftGundam]

N7 Day video. I'm glad you haven't forgotten it. Mass Effect needs to make a comeback.....once EA collapses. I can dream/hope.

[@loneavenger5246]

EA recently said they are going to remaster fan favorite games, so maybe we can get a graphically updated Mass Effect trilogy in the future. Also while they are at it, maybe they can also remaster Dead Space.

[@SwiftGundam]

Yeah, they are really desperate for some good word of mouth. I'd still buy them.

[@ant9944]

Mecha-san I thought the premise of Andromeda was... interesting, even if very poorly executed.

[@SwiftGundam]

I actually had no big issue with Andromeda and still think it should get a sequel. Take what you made and make something better. There have been several examples of games were the first entire is bad but the sequel is excellent. There are video lists of that. Then again, I did play the game after several patches so I didn’t suffer much bugs.

[@ant9944]

Mecha-san well I haven’t played the games much, Just was super interested by the story

[@JackRabbit002]

I always pictured a weird scenario where after my decisions in 3 if the galaxy rebuilt itself the war would be an eternal war between a human led Alliance with what was left of the other species and a Krogan horde that was over running the galaxy!! But they were the choices I made, because I was mates with a slightly less angry Dinosaur who liked to chuckle!!

[@irishspartanstudios]

Ah yes, the antithesis of order: a chuckling dinosaur.

[@viktorzhang4209]

When you are a Krogan, Everything looks like a target.

[@MauroEnfermoDeLepra]

I'm forever torn between the genophage cure and the Geth-Quarian peace brokering as the most emotive moment in the series. And that's a high bar. I like to imagine the post reaper galaxy with the Krogan fully integrated and thriving.

[@KushSalad]

*Sees a Mass Effect related video* Me: “Niiiiiiiiice” while nodding my head.

[@GaKoPop]

God I miss Mass Effect

[@Valks-22]

Oh yeah... I'm extremely bummed about the fall of Bioware and what is basically the end of ME. I'd give them another chance after Andromeda but I doubt it's happening.

[@irishspartanstudios]

@@Valks-22 Hehehe... What about now?

[@Valks-22]

@@irishspartanstudios what the remaster? Looking forward to it - except the last 15mins in ME3. The question is what is going to happen with new ME currently in development i.e. a good ME game or a rushed live-service dumpster fire

[@irishspartanstudios]

@@Valks-22 I'm simply debating whether we'll continue the Shepherd saga, or a new hero will be given to us. If that's the case, they better not stick 4 in front of the title. Anyway, I'm a relative newcomer to the party, but I've played the games (except for Andromeda) and am ready for the remaster! As for ME3's ending... Well.. Call me a heretic but I enjoyed it, at least the Shepherd Lives ending, the Extended Cut version. However, I believe they could have done better.

[@Valks-22]

@@irishspartanstudios Andromeda is inferior to the 'holy trilogy', sure, but it is really not Anthem or F76 level terrible. At current prices you can get it I'd recommend it as a fan of the series. Just keep your expectations moderate and it is enjoyable for a ME fix while waiting for the remaster or a new title.

[@dariustiapula]

Last time I was this late. I still have headaches from headbutting a Krogan.

[@ElysiumCreator]

One thing the Templin Institute always nails with these videos is the music, damn this music is good

[@SuperSaiyan3985]

The production value of these videos is off the charts.

[@justinweiksner5178]

Well, this is the earliest I've ever been to a Templin video.

[@LP1401E]

“They’ll sing battle songs about this someday. Reaper blood has finally soaked our soil!”

[@jorenvanderark3567]

"Rewarded with a cure"... sure let's go with that.

[@adjsmith]

You can fight like a Krogan, run like a leopard, but you'll never be better than Commander Shepard

[@dandynoble19]

Now we can do what the Krogan do best: saving everyone else from giant monsters. Never gonna let us forget about the Rachni Wars, do you? The last time I was at the Citadel, I didn't see a Turian statue in your honor. Just wait till war is over.

[@IronVigilance]

You guys a have an amazing way of telling lore. Like telling stories around a camp fire during medieval times

[@sirsilco]

To live and die without fear, and to put that fear into the hearts of your enemy. -Garm

[@juicyjosh3581]

The Krogan weren't apex predators; wide set eyes is a trait of prey animals, think deer or goats. Krogan vs thresher maw, guess which one is dominant. The codex even says that they were prey.

[@NobleWolf]

The Krogan are one of my favorite races in Mass Effect. I really hope one day we get a look at what happened after mass effect 3

[@wesleywilkinson6629]

I’ve been replaying through the whole ME series and this made me happy

[@-Raylight]

I miss Wrex and his sassy-ness :( He's like an angry uncle you'll never have also he's adorable

[@Hammer_Of_Olympia]

The intro always reminds me of Command and Conquer and it brings me joy. Great video as always TI

[@tonycmac]

Absolutely Stellar work! Thank you and Happy N7 Day.

[@user-yo8ab1ys9e]

*[headbutting intensifies]*

[@riggz31199]

Grunt and wrex have always been top of my list. Let's be real in a alternate reality where shep survives and settles down and has a family. They will fight over who is the better uncle in the front yard. Shep asks garrus if he's going to join that scuffle. Garrus " I'd rather take a rocket to the face again"

[@Rizevim]

Feel so bad for the Krogan.

[@darkhope97]

This is commander Shepard and this is my favorite channel in KZbin

[@brg9327]

Suggestion: The Necrons - Warhammer 40k

[@christophergroenewald5847]

Its unknown how long a Krogan life span is but the best guess would be if undisturbed a Krogan can live upwards of 1500 years

[@sinister802]

What you guys do on this channel cannot be understated love the lore of my favourite shows and games love it plz keep it up ❤️

[@1977Yakko]

Urdnot and Shepard, forever. Thanks for this. It made thinking about Mass Effect something to smile about again.

[@NRV0]

Happy N7 Day Templin Institute! 😁

[@absolute-focus]

Great video. Really did enjoy this game series.

[@Commandocheif99]

I was hoping a look through all the ranks but that was beautiful 😛

[@JFBD1999]

I do appreciate this upload schedule.

[@figothikos1]

Happy n7 day everyone here's to more mass effect games and lore

[@mingchoi8369]

Suggestions for the Templin Institute: - Earth Federation and Principality of Zeon - Gundam - The Kree Empire - MCU - The Superman Regime - Injustice - Galactic Kaiserreich and Free Planets Alliance - Legend of the Galactic Heroes - The Dominators - Arrowverse: Invasion! - The Cylons - Battlestar Galactica Dossier: - Amuro Ray and Char Aznable - Gundam - Thanos - MCU - James T. Kirk - Star Trek - Luke Skywalker - Star Wars - Son Goku - Dragon Ball Z - Lord Drakkon - Power Rangers Atlas: - Babylon 5 - Bajor and Deep Space 9 - Star Trek - Namek - Dragon Ball Z - Cybertron - Transformers - Tattooine - Star Wars - Krypton - Superman HiCom: - The Reaper Wars - Mass Effect - The First Zeon War - Gundam - The Infinity War - MCU - Endgame: Thanos's Last Stand - MCU - The Dominion War - Star Trek - The Drakkon War - Power Rangers: Shattered Grid

[@kirk7528]

Love Templin Institute and Mass Effect!

[@bthsr7113]

I love your Mass Effect videos, and of course, the universe itself.

[@tassadro]

you know I often wonder who'd win in a all out knock down brawl between a klingon and a krogen.

[@FreeThePorgs]

If you want to win a tactial planning war bring a turian, if you want to win a ground battle bring a krogan!!!! "I am urnot rex and this is my planet!!!!!"

[@Youlie2142]

Posted on N7 day, well done.

[@KazModah]

Happy N7 day!

[@Enigma457]

Now do one about the Rachni! I've always felt they were under-utilized in ME lore...

[@guykrawinkel4500]

Patrolling Tuckanka almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.

[@Zen-sx5io]

I love the Krogan.💞 Great presentation.

[@ezequielmorales4221]

Happy N7!

[@GodlessScummer]

So love this channel.

[@karakun1]

N7 day already? Man it feels like years already since i heard it.

[@christianholbrook2686]

How appropriate on N7 day.

[@varric]

"If Tuchanka had a temper, Kalros it is."

[@hieuphungminh6690]

Anyone remember that poetic krogan?

[@luangu]

Charr, The Blue Rose Of Illium

[@loC2ol]

More Mass Effect Content And Happy Belated N7 day Y’all!

[@fivescontrolchip2875]

Thank you for this

[@carlmikell2292]

N7 all day and everyday.

[@tylerwilliams417]

The Krogan were always my favorite race in Mass Effect.

[@kupper123]

Templin is back.

[@TheStewieOne]

Happy N7 day.

[@landshark760]

Great writing!

[@Praxus42]

Happy N7 Day!

[@fakjbf3129]

I've always loved the story of the krogan because the genophage is such an interesting thought experiment, basically the trolly problem brought to a semi-realistic setting. On the one hand the deaths of so many unborn children is horrendous, but the krogan evolved in an environment where that was the natural mortality rate. Technology removed the limits they had been living with for millions of years, and the result was an unsustainable population boom which sparked wars killing billions of people on each side. The biggest factor to where I stand on the genophage is whether I believe the krogan when they say that they are going extinct, or the salarians when they say they tuned to the genophage to keep them at a slow but positive growth rate presumably on par with the other races. Is it really so immoral to replicate the conditions they evolved for, especially when in the long run it preserves the continuation of the species? We shouldn't forget that until the salarains developed the genophage the turians had commited themselves to making the krogan extinct if needed. We don't think it immoral to use technology to give different species a breathable atmosphere, or edible food. The genophage simply moves up a meta-level and looks at the species as a whole instead of the individuals. It's a problem with no right answer not because of a lack of information but because no matter what option you choose billions die, and it's either the unborn krogan or every other species in the galaxy paying that price.

[@death299]

That wasn't their natural mortality rate. According to the salarians and krogan the race was dying (as in going extinct) Their mortality rate of kids was low simply due to the environment of their home, the council removed that by gifting them a bunch of planets without taking into consideration that..well they're still living things and none of them are so selective on fucking breeding that having a high fertility rate wouldn't cause problems on a fertile planet The choices for the krogan when they went to war were rather simply let large swaths of krogan die or expand They..like every other race in the ME universe chose expansion. The only difference is that the krogan are forced to expand faster The Salarians designed a biological weapon that was designed to genocide a race if extremely careful breeding didn't suddenly become a thing They weren't "expanding" their birth rate was such that even without war and accidents they'd slowly die Without a cure they would go extinct, there's no other option They had the option of reducing fertility rate but instead chose the genocide option. The genophage wasn't an alternative to Turian genocide, it was the damn method You don't have to believe the krogan on if they're a dying race, most races accept it. The Salarians may have intended to do a similar level of viability as the krogan once had but they failed and the result was/Is a slow genocide If Russia expands again, can we kill all russians? Japanese?, British? What if we do it slowly? Can we exterminate them slowly? The Salarians based it purely on simulations and assumptions Imagine if an alien race reduced birth rate among humans, while not taking into consideration our frailty Things like common diseases in our young, crime, diseases caused by lifestyle, weather events The result would be that..yeah We'd slowly die out "Pre industrial" would also be pre nuking their planet, y'know that event that forced their race to get a high birth rate to counter act constant death The genophage was genocide. Plain and simple Worse than that it wss "uplifting" a violent race and giving them tech to wage war for you, then killing them when that same uplifting didn't allow them to be your dogs, since they still bred and needed land to actually keep doing so The Salarians ignored the culture and biology of a race so that they could have a fucking tool and then threw that tool into a pit when it wasn't useful anymore The initial salarian plan would've been far less immoral use it as a bargaining chip and teach them better. As it is they uplifted a violent species, encouraged used and advanced that aggression via new weapons for death Then gave them worlds to expand on and got mad because their birth rate forced them to expand rather quickly.. then used a biological agent that combined with aggressive culture would wipe them out (not even taking into consideration what a sudden loss of life like that would do to a race) and refused to even acknowledge that they should actually uplift the krogan or help them, and insisting that the genophage was right Imagine for a moment what humans would think in such a situation Suddenly 99/100 kids simply come out dead, we may be able to get around that but overnight..suddenly a huge portion of kids born are simply dead Imagine the physiological effect on anyone Even had the genophage been perfectly designed (it wasn't) you'd create a situation where shit feels hopeless, so people stop trying to "fix" it, resulting in that finely tuned balance being shattered quickly

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@@death299 Mordin explicitly talks about how they modeled krogan behavior when developing the update to the genophage. He also explicitly says that it would have been easy to reduce krogan birthrates to zero. Those facts combined say that the Salarians never intended the genophage to cause the krogan to go extinct, and the fact that they were able to keep the krogan population stable-ish for 1,400 years means that their models were probably pretty accurate. If the krogan are going extinct it is clearly at an extremely slow rate, slow enough that even a small behavioral change (such as the clans uniting together instead of constantly fighting each other) would probably be enough to bring it back to positive.

[@death299]

@@fakjbf3129 intentions and results are seperate matters. The Salarians also didn't want to use it in the first place, even if it was to be a punishment of slow annihilation it was simply a bluff weapon the Turians used They're the ones guilty, not the salarians In the 1,473 years the krogan have been in slow decline in numbers, after a few hundred they gave up hope and assumed their race was simply dead. And 1,400 years isn't a large time, krogan live relatively long lives and more importantly they used to have major populations on numerous worlds, that's no longer the case 1,400 years even for a race like humans is short when they're a multi planetary species Hell it's not even particularly long for our species, there are nations on earth that are that age, quite a few of them actually, it sounds like a long time but it's a really..really small number "Unite the people and you won't die" is not an easy task, Wrex and his band STILL have to use force to acquire the amount of unity they have and were regularly facing challengers That is to say...hope built on blood and tyranny (can't) last The krogan weren't ready to join the other races but were plunged into it during a period where they were around our age (err I mean brutaliity wise, with regular wars and a tendency to fight instead of being even remotely unified as a species) Genocide is genocide, it doesn't really matter how long it takes of the effect of your actions is the death of a species/race Go try to unite the human race. On nearly any cause, you act as if it's easy when even the older races aren't unified And they had time to develop without having their violent tendencies stoked so they could be a weapon

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@@death299 "Genocide is genocide, it doesn't really matter how long it takes if the effect of your actions is the death of a species/race" The krogan were uplifted to fight the rachni, had the salarians not weaponized them then they and the asari would have been wiped out. The rachni probably would have invaded the home planets of the turians, quarians, humans, elcor, batarians, volus, and probably the krogan and wiped them out as well. By uplifting the krogan they only destroyed two races, the rachni and eventually the krogan. Once the krogan were uplifted future conflict was inevitable, so what do you think should have happened? Should the krogan have been allowed to expand indefinitely, a second rachni invasion bent on destroying all other races in the galaxy? Or should the turians and salarians have gone ahead with wiping them out entirely? Because I fail to see how either of those options is better than at least giving the krogan a chance to adapt to a stable birthrate, even if it was doomed to failure. And I am genuinely curious as to what you think they should have done instead, it's far easier to point the blame than to actually come up with a better solution.

[@death299]

@@fakjbf3129 so you think enslavement and genocide "for the greater good" is ok? They weren't taught a better way, they were used as beasts to attack an enemy then when the fighting was over went to the ways you NEVER helped them out of. Negotiate, use things like the genophage as it was meant to be, teach them to be diplomatic, try and show them how to control birth rates so that their supplies last, teach them how to increase crop yields .. y'know don't throw a young violent species into war then when it's over tell them to figure it out themselves while punishing them for natural tendencies The krogan would've grown out of it, the Turians used to be just as bloodthirsty The difference is one race was given time, the other was shoved onto the stage, forced to improvise then had their legs cut off for not performing to the coaches standard You don't get to genocide people, for any reason Even the fucking salarians weren't intending to use it

[@rabarba6]

Let's not start a fight. Wrex - Why not?

[@cesare.lopezelll8122]

Great N7 day vid guys!! Keep it coming!! maybe with a ME3 Multiplayer stream on an Xbox1 :-)

[@mikkelnpetersen]

Krogans are warriors, Turians are soldiers. Warriors need to fight Soldiers fight when needed

[@CRYOKnox]

This was WREXELLENT!

[@Eric-hr1gq]

Great vid! The only relevant bit of info I think you missed is how long-lived krogan are. They can hold grudges for 1000 years. Also makes you wonder how they didn't wisen up and realize they were sowing the seeds of their own destruction.

[@namekman01]

"240 degree vision" and half of that is covered by their giant bodies behind their head

[@tonts5329]

Faction Video Suggestions The Rangers - Wasteland 1 & 2 The Blood Ravens - Warhammer 40,000 Spectre - James Bond series The Protoss and their various Factions (Khalai, Nerazim, Tal'Darim and Purifiers) The UEF, Cybran, Aeon and Seraphim (Supreme Commander)

[@majordakka5743]

You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain