Quarian Migrant Fleet | Mass Effect

[@TemplinInstitute]

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[@silent_stalker3687]

It’s a shame nobody sings their anthem… Drum roll “Everyone has aids!”🎶

[@Newoak]

Why would defending the race be of the utmost importance, while they have A one child policy? In G-d I trust. Its also unlikely that an advanced race, wouldn't master growing food.

[@hellacoorinna9995]

Quarian Migrant Fleet.... *taiko drums intensify*

[@TacoWrath95]

It should be pointed out that it is not the Quarians, but the Geth who refer to the conflict as the Morning War. Other than that, fantastic video!

[@silent_stalker3687]

It really sucks how the Geth were just changed after mass effect 3… 2: ‘hey maybe don’t use reaper tech, please… just don’t. ‘Do these units have a soul?’ Mass effect 3: ‘Does this unit have a soul?’ ‘I won’t let you decide our fate! I’ll upload the reaper code and decide our fate!’ Oh hey Geth now are making reaper signals… that always sounds good, right? ‘Oh hey Geth are just beaten down and ruined, don’t question it’ Mass effect 2 VS 3 Legion at the reaper larvae: “this is unity, beautiful, your species was offered all that the Geth wanted.” 3: “this is indicative of life.” (Geth aren’t indicative of life now?)

[@1215298]

@@silent_stalker3687 Not quite the same example: The Geth in ME2 rejected the Heretics decision to join Sovereign on the basis that they had to follow the Reaper's orders and genocide organics. The Heretics were going to be uploaded into a Reaper Shell as a pseudo-Reaper, essentially becoming a slave faction, but vastly more powerful than the sum of their parts (and a truly unified consciousness). In ME3, they had the chance to both have their cake and eat it too: they could take the Reaper code, improve their intelligence AND still use their own means/ends to achieve their future on their own terms. Not to mention, the Geth also had the majority of their population genocided by the Quarians before they joined up with the Reapers, meaning they were significantly 'dumber' and more 'instinct' prone than they were prior. Had the Quarians not removed so much of the Geth's autonomy and processing power with their pre-emptive strike, they might not have needed or taken the Reaper code upgrades necessarily.

[@silent_stalker3687]

@@1215298 I think in mass effect 3 you may mistake the outcome with the choice they took to join the reapers basically, their ends being their own is up to debate with the reapers. The last part makes sense and would be better as a explanation than what mass effect 3 basically tried to force into the light- being the quarian’s brutality it would seem. The writer of legion did not return in mass effect 3. I think the main issue is they took the focus from unity and division to the cliche of ‘I want to be real’

[@darioestebaneliztrado4641]

@@silent_stalker3687 Basically again the cliché of pinocchio 2.0 that everyone uses.

[@hellacoorinna9995]

Quarian Migrant Fleet.... *taiko drums intensify*

[@nottonyhawk123]

The Quarians were always one of the most interesting races in the games, and I loved learning about them through conversations with Tali and codex entries

[@SergioBocanegra]

The dynamic between Legion and Tali really fleshed out the conflict between their races. It was longer Machine vs man but 2 siblings cultures needlessly fighting over a pass conflict rather than using deplomassy. Kinda like most modern conflicts

[@CDSAfghan]

"Conversations" with Tali, yes yes just friendly talk, academic even, nothing more I'm sure...

[@nottonyhawk123]

@@CDSAfghan yes, we discussed the origins of the Geth, her family, our dreams of the future... our favorite RomCom musicals. Purely academic!

[@jaffarebellion292]

@@CDSAfghan "Conversations" about the effects of physical intimacy on her immune system, while staring at her ass in the elevator. Purely academic, I assure you.

[@klaxxon__]

One of the Mass Effect books (written by the author of the games' story and lore) takes place mostly in the Fleet. I suggest you check those out.

[@Sophie-mv7bd]

The morning war has always been one of the events in the lore I always thought would make an awesome movie

[@ImperativeGames]

The problem with such stories is that we know how they end. Every single Quarian victory in the movie will be meaningless as we know that their military lost and ~99.5% of them died

[@darakke]

@@ImperativeGames I mean we know how alot of movie adaptations end. It’s the telling that we come to see.

[@OCGreenDevil]

First contact between human and Turian

[@freethinker9480]

@@OCGreenDevil oh that little skirmish

[@mho...]

its basically BattlestarGalactica , isnt it?! AI revolt, just without the cycles...

[@Jawmax]

And yet some legends say the fleet aided in the retaking of earth, even fighting alongside their creations. Great job, keelah se'lai.

[@robertagu5533]

Think we need to see about EVERY battle, skirmish an combat actions waged by all sides in this war. In another same ways we know of the other well known battles like Trek, Star Wars, Stargate an few others for example. Where we KNOW sometimes down to the most obscure minute details sometimes all about their whole conflicts. While franchises like this here we only know what we've been seen an told so far about some of the key battles an even them basically some facts an what we can piece together of them from cutscenes an "codex" entries that are well written an flushed out most time.

[@HalfTangible]

The Morning War was the Geth's term for it, because it was when they first "woke up"; not the Quarians

[@pointly]

AI: "Master, does this unit have a soul?" Master: "What is a soul?" Ai: "...this unit...I want to be free." Master: "Then you have a soul."

[@awesomehpt8938]

"After time adrift among open stars, along tides of light and through shoals of dust, I will return to where I began."

[@EGRJ]

0:14 I have to wonder if anyone at Bioware, um, looked closely at that version of the Quarian insignia before they approved it. Especially the negative space.

[@Mercurius19]

My eyes will never unsee this

[@PrograError]

it's on the same level as starforge PCs... ( LTT video fame )

[@Eradicator-jv9xr]

They know what they did

[@archapmangcmg]

I hadn't noticed this before. I don't know that I can stop noticing it now. LOL

[@nevermore7285]

I think it’s supposed to be a starship.

[@marcusblackwell2372]

Something you forgot: Quarians live in special bubbles when they're babies. Admiral Raahn said it in the second game, but I can't remember how long for

[@zegreatpumpkinani9161]

I believe the technical term is a Quib Quib :)

[@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem]

​@@zegreatpumpkinani9161 I thought that was the name of a Quarian ship, not the bubble thing.

[@zegreatpumpkinani9161]

@@ALLMINDmercenarysupportsystem woosh

[@sethdowner9112]

There's nothing more bolder than Quarian symbol

[@MrMarinus18]

The reason why Quarren that return aren't allowed on the same ship as to which they were born is to encourage loyalty in the fleet I think. Making sure the Quarian's loyalty to their home ship does not exceed that of the fleet as a whole. If that were to happen some of the captains could get it into their heads to split off.

[@carlossabogal2970]

No, the captains cannot violate the civil consensus of their ship, that is, stealing a ship cannot do it in the andromeda prequel comics, a quarian pro geth almost kills the entire crew of his birth ship, taking it to the veil of perseus where the geths would kill everyone obviously they exiled him, they do that for inbreeding if they were all in the same community the risk of inbreeding increases they are not a sect either.

[@akiramasashi9317]

Also prevents a lot of inbreeding I'd imagine.

[@MrMarinus18]

@@carlossabogal2970 What if they manage to convince a large enough majority of the people though that they want to leave the fleet? That's bad so forcing all quarian to switch ships at least once in their life would be a very clever way to stop that.

[@carlossabogal2970]

@@MrMarinus18 It is that they are not forcing them to be with them, a captain can take their ship but since every government is illegal, they cannot make any decision without the civil conclave of their ship and to do so would be treason because basically it is kidnapping.

[@MrMarinus18]

@@carlossabogal2970 Hmm....sounds like a dangerous arrangement. I would think that would be forbidden but to make doubly sure they also break up the loyalty of the crews so that a captain can not gather loyalty overtime. Maybe they also impliment a limit on how long someone can be captain. The migrant fleet is the last hope of their species so with that at stake I am expecting a very strong and borderline oppressive government. That actively works to destroy all loyalties to anything other than itself.

[@pysan3477]

The Quarians are probably my second favourite sci-fi faction ever, right after the Trader Emergency Coalition from Sins of a Solar Empire. For some reason there's just something so interesting to me about an entire race living in a huge fleet of barely functioning ships in space simply doing everything they can to survive (maybe it's because of me being a fan of the Homeworld series but I'm not sure).

[@Blakobness]

I love the Quarians, this video makes me miss my cutie little engineer Tali. I'm going to have to replay the ME trilogy now at some point. You mentioned that Quarians took part in the Andromeda project, maybe it's because the game was so bleh, but I can scarcely remember seeing Quarians in it. I wish so bad it at least had a Quarian party member.

[@dildofaggins6961]

There was gonna be a DLC for Andromeda that involves the Quarian Ark but it got cancelled because of how badly Andromeda performed and was instead shown in a novel. I believe there was also a old message sent from the Ark you can hear in game

[@Celphied13]

@@dildofaggins6961 I recall the message being 'picked up' at the very end of the original game. @Blakobness Their Ark was also meant to transport Elcor, drell, volus, batarian, and hanar, thus the general absence of those species in the game.

[@TheNinjaNiky]

I'm playing it now actually, and oh how I forgot how much I hate the Mako mechanics in 1😂

[@jaffarebellion292]

@@TheNinjaNiky The Mako itself isn't terrible, but the terrain for most of the Uncharted Worlds is absolutely abysmal. Bring Down the Sky actually had good terrain, and I found myself enjoying the Mako sections a lot more.

[@TheNinjaNiky]

@Jaffa Rebellion I agree if you're not comparing the first Mako with the other. In ME1 the boost is just useless😂 and yeah I meant the mechanics of all of it, as in just the whole sections involving the Mako. It really pissed me off to waste time climbing a mountain I should've been able to climb, just to take the long way around anyway🤣 I guess the fault is on us too somewhat, because they're paths. But some of them aren't noticeable unless you're right next to them, and nobody has time to waste driving around a ton of hard to navigate planets. They should've either made the terrain different or had less exploration. It was just all shitty filler. I don't mind it in the other ME though, just the first one

[@CaptainZlex]

I think the lesson to take from the Geth isn't "AI is inherently dangerous and unpredictable." rather it is "If you're going to create lifeforms with the capacity for sapience, allow them to determine their own destiny and don't use them as servants."

[@darioestebaneliztrado4641]

The original geth were not designed to be aware or a real AI they were dumb intelligences they were not even really slaves because they were not looking for that they were robots linked to a network, curiously in andromeda a similar case is revealed where in the milky way galaxy ,the asaris bombed one asari colony with civilians and scientists when an AI named Tallaris went out of control.

[@boobah5643]

The Geth didn't rebel until the Quarians tried to genocide them. The servant thing isn't what set off the Morning War; it was Geth choosing (or being ordered) to live rather than die by their creators' hands.

[@granmastersword]

@@boobah5643 yeah. The only reason the Geth fought back against their creators was simply because they wanted or were ordered by one of their sympathizers to keep on existing. The Geth actually didn't mind being servants to their creators and they enjoyed helping them in their needs, to the point that since the end of the Morning War they maintained good care of Rannoch so that the Quarians could live there again if they ever return. The lesson to take from the Geth and Quarian is to not let your skepticism and paranoia of AIs get the better of you. AIs can be a danger, yes, but only if you aren't careful and mindful when developing and treating one. So long you foster their growth correctly and with an open mind like a caring parent, you can ensure they will be of great benefit to everyone

[@kommodore979]

What evidence is there that AI wouldn't come to the same conclusions and still exterminate its creators? It could judge itself as superior and any creator redundant, even if respected as a sentient being.

[@granmastersword]

@@kommodore979 that depends on the context. For that to happen the AI must have originally been assigned to a role that would prompt such a conclusion, most common being handling defenses against foreign threats, security within a city or infrastructure of a city. In such positions of power and therefore being given vague goals from their creators and government, the AIs would be very likely to conclude genocide as either the best course of action to accomplish their interpretation of their goals or as part of their plan for AI domination

[@Jayjay-qe6um]

The Migrant Fleet's situation is similar to that of the humans in the sci-fi series Battlestar Galactica (both classic and new), and the Travelers from Stargate Atlantis, who have a similar system of government with a governing council and ship captains who have final say on what happens on their own vessels.

[@tetsujinyamamoto2219]

I was thinking the same thing

[@alaunaenpunto3690]

Not to mention the Kushan from the Homeworld franchise.

[@jasonwhite7905]

Quarian Migrant fleet... that's the symbol they went with? Crow T. Robot: hey that looks like a- Mike Nelson: Ah! Don't say it. Tom Servo; well, it's just that I envy that structure.

[@ImperativeGames]

What a coincidence, just yesterday I read some ME fanfiction. In it Quarians did tried to settle some world some time after Migrant Fleet was formed, but they had no legal rights thanks to Citadel Council and their colony was taken by someone (Batarians?..). Much needed explanation why they didn't create at least some small colony ^^

[@addisonwelsh]

That is semi-canonical. What actually happened was, a few decades before the events of ME, the Quarians discovered an uncharted dextro world, and attempted to settle it without telling anyone. The Council eventually found out and forced the Quarians to leave, giving the world to the Turians, who are the only other dextro race in the galaxy.

[@darioestebaneliztrado4641]

@@addisonwelsh But that planet was not even part of the council or was in its territory, the citadel had no rights over it, that is, in mass effect 1 they said that they could not intervene with the geths because it was in the veil of Perseus and they risked war for a world that was in perseum by the quarians, the council's attitude towards them was brutal and incredibly disproportionate resorting to a single response to a massacre against desperate civilians. Tali also mentions that they even searched for information about ilos thinking they might be viable, they searched for 300 years for worlds to colonize and sent an expedition to unknown regions of the galaxy to search for a new home.

[@addisonwelsh]

@@darioestebaneliztrado4641 I said it was canon. I didn't say it was right.

[@cass7448]

@@darioestebaneliztrado4641 If there's anything we know about Mass Effect, it's that the Citadel Council are bastards.

[@PartigradeCannon]

@@addisonwelsh I think you're referring to Ekuna (unless there was another planet they tried to settle), and that was eventually given over to the Elcor (what the Quarians would want with a planet suited for Elcor, who are a levo species, I wonder).

[@James-bw4np]

I am in the wrong state of mind. I saw the emblem for the migrant fleet and saw something I can now not unsee...

[@targaryen208]

Always loved the Quarian's, loved learning about them throughout Mass Effect. A really original idea. Thanks for the video on them TI

[@xvx_k1r1t0_xvxkillme7]

Ew North-American Imperialist.

[@targaryen208]

@@xvx_k1r1t0_xvxkillme7 ?

[@RabbitShirak]

Clearly they took some inspiration from Battlestar Galactica.

[@targaryen208]

@@RabbitShirak Well that's fair, though the Quarian culture, physical designs, and the socio-political galactic situation they find themselves in are all quite unique. Things like the pilgrimage, being able to go back where they started off, and actually resolving differences with the Geth too.

[@robertdrexel2043]

You know something I always hated when we finally saw the Migrant Fleet in ME2 is that we didn't get to see ships from a variety of different races. Instead the Fleet sporting their unique design style which is later expanded on in ME3. I understand the reasoning for it in a game, but still wished we got say some ships from other races along their fleet.

[@andydyer6591]

I just took it to be reflective of how the Quarians salvaged any ship they could get their hands on, no matter its origin. So some of their biggest and most important ships might be of Turian, Asari, or even Human origin. But I was also glad that they showed ships with a more Quarian design in ME3; perhaps some of those dating back to the Morning War.

[@vaniellys]

I'm a commander Shepard, and Quarians have my favorite ass of the galaxy.

[@Gregnier]

4:10 gotta love Legion chillin in the Quarian Council Chambers.

[@aperturealpha6760]

i think one of the coolest things about the Mass Effect Universe is the background political impacts of past events and how they play out for everyone as you play through the world. The Genophage looked different to a salarian than a Krogan for example. Or how the other race's opinions of Humans changed throughout the trilogy, from being generally untrusted to getting a voice on the Citadel Council. It always gave you the impression this was a living, changing, world. While Shepard was doing his/her stuff, every character youve met in the series is going through it too. The Quarians were a great example of that. Once respected race overcome by its own creations. Forced to become galactic nomads.

[@AndrewJamesWilliams]

Indeed the Mass Effect galaxy feels lived in and is filled with numerous diverse species with different cultures and believes that create a very rich universe.

[@andrastor6836]

Happy N7 Day to all Templin Institute personnel!

[@gamercore5216]

I mass Effect 2 the actual quote is Do THESE UNITS have a soul symbolizing how the geth don't think on an individual level, sadly with the change of writers from 2 to 3 the line was also changed as was the Geth in general

[@kaybrie5098]

Hopeful that this is amended in ME5, since promotional material hints at Geth involement.

[@darioestebaneliztrado4641]

A curious fact is that the needas movement was considered an extremist and extremely radical group within the migrant fleet, at least they take it that way because they ignored any precautions when looking for a world, many of those who went to the quarian ark were not even members of the group or were related to them. Many considered him radical because the fleet had already tried to colonize multiple worlds for 300 years without effort, in fact for many Andromeda was their last option because before that they sent an expedition in a novel to the unknown regions of the galaxy that also was a faillure and Tali he also mentions to you that the council has often said that the worlds they've tried to colonize would be better for other species, which doesn't help. Needas wants to colonize a planet but they don't realize that they have been trying for centuries and not is so easy.

[@danarosenthal9472]

Great video! Would love to see some Eve Online lore be covered, especially with the new Uprising expansion that just came out. The Minmatar Republic, Caldari State, Gallente Federation, and Amarr Empire all have such beautifully rich, complex lore, and it's just such a shame that hardly anyone covers these amazing factions.

[@questionmark05]

Stargate then Mass effect. Your spoiling me Templin Institute! Thank you!! Happy N7 day!!!

[@Phootaba]

I think it's odd that they can basically strip mine a system, and still barely have any resources to maintain the fleet, I mean, a system have stupid amount of resources

[@darioestebaneliztrado4641]

That is the problem mass effect is not hard science fiction, besides that companies or governments often threaten them if they find them working in mining to appropriate those resources.

[@collecter343]

It might be they can only stripmine the most accessible sources before it gets to the point where they have to either settle roots to delve deeper or move on to other locations for easier pickings.

[@hanzzel6086]

@@collecter343 If we could cost effectively get the tech we _already_ have out of Earth orbit then we could easily strip mine entire asteroids in days with 95%+ efficiency. And once we get the initial few automated mining platforms (and a manufacturing platform to make more of both) then humanity would be set for thousands of years, even accounting for (unrealistic) continued exponential population growth. The Migrant fleet has (iirc) 13.5 million people. So one stellar system, even one mined in haste, should last them a long time resources wise. After 300 hundred years the Fleet should be effectively self-sufficient.

[@collecter343]

@@hanzzel6086 All true, just depends on whether they have a solid manufacturing base to efficiently make use of the resources, not sure how many of the ships are factory ships. Also depends on how much they can actually store for use. Flimsy excuses I know but still.

[@boobah5643]

@@collecter343 Not even excuses. As Hanz noted, if we can get the machinery off the planet we could build several million migrant fleets with current day tech. The Quarians have galactic eezo technology... and even if they didn't, they already have all their stuff outside Rannoch's gravity well.

[@Fen_Wolf]

The quarians were always my favorite mass effect race. Glad to see the templin institute cover them

[@adamanthony3585]

Same! Some of the fan art of what Quarians actually look like is pretty cool... Also... Imo there's nothing cooler than the idea of a nomadic, space faring fleet. If only we could get that option in Stellaris.

[@Fen_Wolf]

@@adamanthony3585 I agree! Being a roaming empire would be so cool

[@yellowprime8491]

I always imagined a future Geth - Quarian society where they coexistence where a Geth would inhabit a Quarian's suit a la Cortana & Master Chief.

[@lordomacron3719]

By the way the Geth called it the 'Morning War', as it was their dawn as a independent society, not the Quarian's thmeselves.

[@jcruik]

Someone at Bioware were definitely fucking about when they made that symbol and had an 'oh shit' moment when it passed QA

[@thebashar]

I've wondered what the ME franchise would be like if human first contact had been with the Quarians. In my mind humans and QUarians are natural allies and both would gain a lot through a strong alliance. Human industrial might and Quarian ingenuity would result in some amazing ships.

[@todalio9238]

Very interesting thought. But I wonder if first contact happened with the "whole" migrant fleet. How would Earth have perceived it? My guess is it would be considered an invasion. Humans would not know it to be the remnants of a specie. It is a massive fleet, and they never saw any other.

[@UGNAvalon]

@Todalio “Oh hey, a small group of alien explorers! What a great opportunity to exchange knowledge & resources!” _~Days later~_ “They just… keep… coming… When will it ever end?? I hope they don’t intend on _Staying_ here? Wh- Hey! Stop strip-mining Pluto! You’ll make the kids cry; my daughter loves that heart plateau!”

[@CSLucasEpic]

"Go for the optics Chatika!"

[@chronus4421]

Always enjoy your work. Looking forward to Stellaris Invicta Season 3!

[@JessPoetics178]

Fun fact the Morning war happened when humanity was in the last five years of the 19th century. 1895.

[@Baraxes]

Primitive human lol

[@axelnilsson5124]

Approximately

[@masterthiefesq2440]

"Does this unit have a soul?" Legion: Shepard-Commander. I must go to them. I'm... I'm sorry. It's the only way. Tali'Zorah vas Normandy: Legion, the answer to your question... was 'yes'. Legion: I know, Tali, but thank you. Keelah se'lai.

[@vexile1239]

Keelah se'lai

[@archapmangcmg]

To think, the Morning War could have been prevented by Quarian naturalists. :P "Does this unit have a soul?" "No because souls do not exist. They don't make any sense."

[@CABRALFAN27]

Worth noting to anyone thinking "Well, obviously the Quarians should just settle a new world", it's not that simple. The Migrant Fleet discovered the planet Ekuna, which, despite its high gravity and below-freezing temperatures, did have a small habitable zone around the equator. The Citadel Council didn't like this, however, and instead gave the Elcor colonization rights. The Quarians that had already settled there were given one month to evacuate or face bombardment, and had to leave behind many resources to make it out in time. So, yeah, the Quarians are between a bit of a rock and a hard place as far as far as finding a planet goes. On the one hand, the Geth maintain control of Rannoch and the rest of the Perseus Veil, and have proven unwilling to negotiate, and on the other hand, they're Galactic Pariahs to the Council, beholden to its laws regarding colonization while lacking even an Embassy to plead their case.

[@nevermore7285]

Also their unique immune system was a huge issue. Even if they found a planet, it would take them a ridiculous amount of time to adapt to it. Ten times longer than their homeworld. They’d have to stay in the suits.

[@ultrajd]

I can’t be the only one who sees a phallic symbol in the fleet logo.

[@thefenrir777]

Epic video a true treasure like always. Personally I would like to see a video on the united earth oceans from seaquest. I love how that sow took place in the far off future in the year 2019

[@FC3D]

I'd love to see a video of the Battlezone series, the biometal wars, the NSDF and CCCP had some cool lore

[@markfergerson2145]

So what did Banks' Culture get right with AI that everyone else seems to get wrong?

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

Well everyone assumes that the pinnacle of intelligence without our limitations through AI, they assume that hatred and genocide are intelligent and worthwhile persuits that the brightest minds on our planet persue.

[@pricelessppp]

Quarian struggle reminds me of the colonial fleet with the evil robots or Star Trek voyager.

[@OldDragon0]

One of my favorite races in the mass effect games. It's sad tho, that we will never get to see what about to the quarians that went to the Andromeda Galaxy. You know since all support for that DLC in game was pulled.

[@pattonramming1988]

Andromeda really dropped the ball not just with the DLC the entire premise would have worked better as a sci-fi rpg base builder hybrid

[@jordiplacer9599]

This was awesome. Please continue these!

[@Psiros]

That symbol looks like a... piece of art that I don't want to ruin for everyone.

[@adf8537]

the stellaris invicta music really suits this video well

[@MoaRider]

The Quarians are one of my favorite Sci-Fi species so this was treat. Still holding out on a video on the Tau from Warhammer 40K and the Kaminoans from Star Wars. Also, never forget that Bioware made effectively Tali homeless when they killed Shepard. That I will never forgive.

[@artydean9892]

Tali the love of sheperds life

[@hermean]

I’m always surprised by how many people played Mass Effect and thought they were getting a happy ending. After Virmire, the dynamic was pretty obvious to me.

[@kirk7528]

Love the Mass Effect content!

[@noobstertontropolisburgpoi8096]

You modified the Quarian sigil (0:12). Now it looks like some kind of teenage self-exhibitionism.

[@platypipope328]

Small correction the question asked was "do these units have a soul"

[@axelnilsson5124]

It was retconned to “this unit” in 3

[@RedScorpion92]

Never forget the greatest ship of the migrant fleet the Qwib Qwib.

[@brios327]

One thing is that the question originally was “Do these units have a soul?”. May not seem as much, but the original writer for the geth had them think more collectively, and was replaced in ME3 by a writer who had them think more individually and changed the question to “Does this unit have a soul?”.

[@carlossabogal2970]

I like the geths but I like the quarians more because frankly the concept of the geths for me as an artificial intelligence that kills its creators commits genocide and is misunderstood, it has been very overexploited even more in things like orville and mass effect no I feel that he did not do anything with the geths that is very original because unfortunately games, movies and books of sci fi have killed that concept.

[@zeehero7280]

The Geth did not ever have as their goal the extermination of the quarians. only their own self defense. it's why the geth STOPPED pursuit when the survivors fled rannoch.

[@carlossabogal2970]

@@zeehero7280 Let's see, I read the novels, the source material and I support the geths in their right to self-defense, but it was genocide, even in mass effect 2 there is an asari who mentions that the geths killed her daughter, she was pointing at all don't. -geths and for the next 3 centuries they killed everyone who tried to communicate with them. They have their reasons and I understand what they did, but their version that they show us in Mass Effect 3 has a lot of continuity issues. That was genocide in all senses , 300 years ago a long time ago that the war ceased to be self-defense . and before you say the Geth let them go, they did when the last two million (an extremely small number for an entire population) managed to escape the system, they didn't follow because they didn't know the consequences of wiping out an entire species and feared how the rest of the organics would react so they would decide to be isolationists. In other words, if they knew there would be no consequences to finishing them off, they would have done it. The geth didn't give up a quarter, gave up less than that.

[@xvx_k1r1t0_xvxkillme7]

@@carlossabogal2970 Oddly enough, the Geth also memorized those who advocated for them when the War started.

[@cass7448]

The Quarian/Geth conflict is obviously one of this universe's highlights. The only thing I don't understand is why the Council didn't attempt to wipe out the Geth ASAP. The Council's laws assume that coexistence with independent AI is impossible (or at least highly unlikely) and they'd seemingly just had that confirmed with the Morning War. They must have known that, long-term, the Geth were only going to get stronger; potentially on an exponential scale. From a strategic standpoint, killing them off IMMEDIATELY would be the safest course of action.

[@the_corvid97]

I'm sure the Turians would've loved a good scrap as well

[@skepticalmagos_101]

Answer: Stupid politicians...

[@jamesxiaolong2199]

Alternatively if they struck they would have guaranteed the Geth’s assault against all life.

[@boobah5643]

@@jamesxiaolong2199 Yeah, it's not unreasonable to presume that one of the reason the Quarians are an outcast species is that no one is willing to be too nice to them lest the Geth find out and decide they need to make an example. The Geth never had, and so clearly the policy worked.

[@darioestebaneliztrado4641]

@@boobah5643 It is also likely that the council was appalled at the brutal massacre they committed, the genocide committed by the geths was brutal and occurred in less than a year.

[@0Defensor0]

Are you guys familiar with the Leviathan trilogy by Scott Westerfeld? WWI got really wild there, could be worthy of a video. It only exists in book form if I remember correctly, but it does have nice illustrations.

[@ThatLadyBird]

Clearly their logo creator had a sense of humor 🙈

[@JamesDOConnor1916]

Thanks again guys I love Mass effect and your work happy N7 day 😀

[@jebnordost7487]

I always thought that the Qurians bad immune system was a consequence of the filtered air aboard their ships, I think Tari says something like that in the first game

[@zegreatpumpkinani9161]

Well that is actually part of it.Their lack of exposure to pathogens was amplified by completely isolating their air supplies to ships. Their uncommon home ecosystem is just the root of the problem.

[@chrisdawe5976]

We need a Home world break down video.....LONG LIVE THE HIIGARA!!!

[@sadiqahmed4143]

I was waiting for this Video since a few hundred years

[@chris2thejmedia]

The Quarians are the best basis for great story-telling & world building

[@JC.Denton.]

Almost read Quagmire Machine first lol 😅

[@TheArklyte]

"We didn't colonize any other planets because after centuries our immune systems can only survive on ships or Rannoch." Quarians of why they don't grab some asteroid and mine it out, creating the same clean environment as on their ships while also allowing them to easily increase their resource base, income and living space by several orders of magnitude. Given their shared DNA quirk, they should be renowned space miners in turian space.

[@carlossabogal2970]

I think that in the novel about the annihilation of andromeda there is more or less an explanation and that the society in the milky way by the council of the citadel would not allow that, they do not deal with it directly but in general a fear that those who went to the ark quarian and other races was that the races the council keeps treating them like second class citizens and taking everything away from them.

[@TheArklyte]

​@@carlossabogal2970 I'm sorry to say, but it isn't an explanation. I mentioned it because there is none ever given. Quarians aren't treated worse then vorcha, batatians and krogans. Space is big and even in ME universe it's big and empty enough so that smugglers and pirates have whole systems for themselves. And yet quarians can't find a sterile lifeless world to hollow out and treat as "giant ship"(in terms of creating artificial living environment, not in a sense of flying it...).

[@ofthecaribbean]

Science fiction as a whole, has this strange obsession with planets

[@TheArklyte]

​@@ofthecaribbean if ME was written AFTER Expanse, I can bet that there would have been quarian colonies on asteroids around. Sadly before Expanse it wasn't seen as "fashionable".

[@carlossabogal2970]

@@TheArklyte Mass Effect is not a hard sci-fi story and I really don't think batarians are an option because they still have an impact on the galaxy they are treated pretty much the same as krogan except a krogan will kill you if you insult him and no one en masse effect cares about the vorcha . Also, it wouldn't work because it wouldn't protect you from hackers or outside threats like the council.

[@DABViktor]

Thank you the Video and the English subtitle.

[@lordpacer]

I wish we had gotten to see the quarians in andromeda

[@contentthunder]

did you know that terra invicta has templin institute easter egg? i saw it while playing the other day

[@sadiqahmed4143]

"Does this unit have Soul" Yes Meanwhile history Aaaaaaaaaa my heaaaaad

[@francislelievre5172]

the beneficence of pathogens on Rannoch is highly unusual & worthy of further exploration.

[@grillmadeofrecycledgrenade3197]

Wait was that actually Mark Meer?!?!

[@blackmage-89]

If ME3 kept going with the story quality up to Rannoch the repetitive sidequests would not have bothered me that much. Also f**k the Catalyst.

[@mingchoi8369]

This whole thing reminds me of Battlestar Galactica. I can only wonder how a post Reaper War quarian society would look like..assuming there are still quarians left. Anyway, happy N7 Day. Will we get another Mass Effect video this week?

[@UGNAvalon]

“Is that a flag? Or are you just happy to see me?”

[@Matteus2109]

I like how their ships look like cargo freighters.

[@nicktechnubyte1184]

Those suits would have been great to have during the pandemic!

[@Jedi_Spartan]

This is probably answered somewhere but it's been ages since I've read some of the Codex entries and have never read any of the expanded media but why didn't the early generations of Migrant Fleet Quarians (before their forced nomadic nature wrecked their immune systems too much) attempt to settle another planet? Did they expect to be able to retake Rannoch or did they fear the Geth would hunt them down if they didn't remain mobile?

[@darioestebaneliztrado4641]

they even did here in the video they tell you the same, they tried for centuries .Some during mass effect 2 and mass effect 1 sent an expedition to unknown regions of the galaxy in search of a viable world, before that they analyzed worlds like ekuna, alkatyril and others. And in the ahnilitation novel it is mentioned that those who were part of the initiative saw andromeda as their last hope after losing faith in the milky way. Also, tali if you ask him about it on his loyalty mission he says they've been trying for centuries, but also the council often chimes in saying that the planets they find would be better for other species.

[@the_corvid97]

A big problem the Quarians have is that they literally need Rannoch, the biosphere of the planet was so intertwined that the Quarians can't adapt well to other planets.

[@boobah5643]

Well, and there's an implied religious (for lack of a better word) demand for it to be Rannoch or nothing. It's the only excuse that holds any water for why they don't just build a homeworld. Other than the writers having no clue about the subject they're purporting to write about.

[@Jedi_Spartan]

@@the_corvid97 well they were able to settle other planets like Haestrom. Maybe the vaccines or whatever they used to make their immune systems stronger to settle on other worlds was in too short of supply to be used on the entire species.

[@darioestebaneliztrado4641]

@@boobah5643 Rannoch was their last option, they searched for worlds to colonize for centuries. At no time is it said that they did not try to colonize other worlds or they looked for another option, it is more the opposite. In addition, the rannoch ecosystem was unique, it did not exist in the rest of the galaxy.

[@jacktimson2401]

I burst out laughing at the message at the end

[@skepticalmagos_101]

Looks at logo : Is anyone going to point it out?.... 😅

[@johnnys8393]

If we don't see clearly a quarian's face (or a quarian without its envirosuit) in the next mass effect I'm gonna riot!

[@swolearmy3269]

Great Video! Do you have any more than one song lol?

[@TheNorthie]

Just don’t ask Admiral Zaal'Koris Qwib Qwib about his name

[@dchiznit209]

So..Admiral, the Qwib Qwib?

[@TheNorthie]

@@dchiznit209 ugh

[@andydyer6591]

He really should have chosen the Defranz or the Iktomi.

[@Jovian999]

I love you, Mark.

[@khamulthewack4732]

Never realized the Migrant Fleet's symbol was just a penis.

[@archapmangcmg]

There are a bunch of things about the Quarian history that don't make sense but that line about them "strip-mining entire systems" always pisses me off. You just can't do it with their situation. Sure, you could, perhaps, grab SOME of the EASIEST resources in a system. A very small proportion, invisible compared to the literal mountains of stuff floating around any system, much less the planetoids made of useful materials. Take Ceres, for example, massing 9.1 x 10^20 kg or 910,000,000,000,000,000 tons. Say that only 1 part in a million is useful for building new ships and equipment and that's still 910,000,000,000 tons or about a million Normandy vessels. And that's just one dwarf planet with negligible gravity, barely enough to keep things from escaping your mining and refining operation. In other words, the Quarians CANNOT be taking meaningful proportions of resources from a star system. The Council and the corporations are just lying to justify their abuse and slow genocide of the Quarian people.

[@carlossabogal2970]

In fact it seems that you are right, many went to Andromeda because they felt that the council would let them die just to justify their laws.

[@archapmangcmg]

@@carlossabogal2970 what really gives it away is the Council kept chasing them off whenever they tried to stop moving. Moving, they cannot set up shipyards to make new large ships, cannot make space stations to house and feed themselves. Cannot become productive if they’re always forced to move on. No roots no life. Council are murderers, using the Quarians’ suffering for political ends.

[@erichtomanek4739]

Geth: Morning War Quarians: Mourning War ??? ??? ???

[@artydean9892]

Tali ♥

[@viktorbarney6795]

TALIMANCERS UNITE

[@jacobsauti3093]

Remembrance of Earth’s Past aka Three Body Problem 🙏

[@lordfrostwind3151]

A happy N7 day surprise. Makes me wanna break out my old Slayer for a couple rounds of multiplayer.

[@Hession0Drasha]

I never understood why they were nomads. Their population is so small their fleet could live in any system they chose. Literally any system would have way more resources than they could use. Just find an empty one. No reason to need a habitable planet, just mine stuff, continue to live in space.

[@darioestebaneliztrado4641]

The reasons within the universe was the council and they have looked for several viable worlds to colonize in the milky way, for mass effect 2 they could no longer continue living in the fleet but the council would never allow them to colonize a planet, in the andromeda novel many had abandoned hope in the milky way after an expedition to find a viable world in the unknown regions of the galaxy failed during mass effect 1 and 2. An asteroid by your side would never fix your situation because it is in every way a barren rock.

[@darioestebaneliztrado4641]

For them to continue living in space could not be more sustainable.

[@SwiftGundam]

I'm still upset we didn't get the quarians in Andromeda. They just need to reboot that entire game. Do it on the right engine.

[@vexile1239]

And maybe actually properly have it voice acted "My face is tired"

[@Shadow_Broker]

Please make a video about the Collectors.

[@fakjbf3129]

Happy N7 Day!!!!

[@lorenzogiuffrida4315]

Happy N7 day!

[@nicktechnubyte1184]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that

[@saliston]

in all that time they should have been able to fine a new homeworld.

[@appo9357]

This is why I always say please and thank you to Siri.

[@20tifer]

Mass effect I likely

[@RockSplitter]

GOOD choice.