Kroxa Rips Apart other Decks | Commander Deck Tech

[@Mattador666]

I have a Kroxa deck and it is so much fun to pilot (like you said though it's fun FOR ME). I think a valuable include with a deck like this is Doom Whisperer. Not only does it allow you to see a lot of your cards with it's surveil ability but that is also loading up your graveyard for future Kroxa Escape triggers.

[@dustinmartin648]

This information will be PERFECT to help me set up a commander deck for my wife! She's currently running a Mogis deck but she also enjoys making people discard cards and take dmg. So I think her Group Slug deck with a little Discard subtheme would be perfect for her playstyle! Thank you so much!

[@Peronioz]

I've run literally this whole deck for years, but with Neheb the Worthy on the cockpit. While I love my buddy minotaur, I've always wanted a proper commander for the deck. And it's finally here! Sadly it's $20 around here, so a bit out of my budget at the moment.

[@papanurgle8393]

I love how much bonus synergy Surly Badgersaur gave this deck, it cycles like CRAZY with tectonic reformation.

[@joshprice4855]

I always enjoy watching deck techs, even if I probably won't play the deck. I watched a Kroxa discard deck go to work on Star city games channel and man that was a painful slog. That said, its always fun to see your thought process on a brew DJ!

[@QMTG]

I have a Kroxa Brawl deck and I was just thinking of building an EDH version. Had some similar ideas that you covered and I can't wait to build it now! Great video!

[@nidak3194]

I love Sire of Insanity too much to not keep thinking about this whole deck tech

[@MTGSavage]

I also highly recommend adding Final Parting to the deck as it is a win condition when it resolves generally because you go get Worldgorger Dragon for the graveyard and an animate dead spell to your hand and have Kroxa in the command zone to win

[@kaydenrichard2042]

I realize it's kinda randomly asking but does anybody know of a good place to watch newly released movies online ?

[@MTGSavage]

@@kaydenrichard2042 There was an app on the market place but it got taken down a few months ago.

[@callenbyron8111]

@Kayden Richard lately I have been using Flixzone. Just google for it :)

[@jaredira8377]

@Callen Byron yea, been watching on flixzone for since march myself :D

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@Callen Byron Thanks, I signed up and it seems like a nice service :) I appreciate it!!

[@aunrah02]

Old school Greek lore (correct me if I am wrong) the Titans were an entire races of beings. Would have really like to see an Elder Giant for every color pairing. Maybe a 5 color for their leader. Idk, something similar. Kind of a wasted opportunity

[@Lasor4]

In an article somewhere, MaRo (I think) explained that they initially did have an entire cycle for the Titans, but they didn't have enough room to fit them all in.

[@garrett1433]

After seeing Uro...idk if I want that xD

[@bflandragon90]

@@Lasor4 maybe they'll have titans like kroxa and uro in Kaldheim

[@chancecarlson2023]

Might see something like that when they inevitably go back to theros

[@samb123078]

I have this deck but with Kroxa in the 99 and Xantcha as the commander. I would add in cards like Bolas’ citadel and experimental frenzy to have card advantage even when I’m empty handed. Better yet, have a necropotence with them so if you have a land or something you can’t cast on top you can just exile it with necropotence and continue playing your library. Surprised captive audience wasn’t mentioned. Not the best discard spell but it’s hilarious.

[@evolutionXXVII]

Have you kept that xantcha deck up to date? Would be curious to take a look. Did the people you play with make use of her card draw?

[@samb123078]

@@evolutionXXVII funny you should ask. I did recently get my hands on a chains. Make everyone empty handed forever.

[@keetakitten]

I don't know if I have commented this. But I really dig the new video format you have been doing. Cheers!!!!

[@FaustHarbinger89]

Haha! I just built mine last night!!! great deck tech DJ

[@Putrefax]

You should run the Bloodchief Ascension // Mindcrank combo as a backup wincon, you already run one of the pieces, and you can get the ball rolling by forcing discards at will

[@jaredcovington3930]

Discard decks create a really un-fun play experience. There are two discard decks in my meta. One of them is Kroxa and the other is a Nicol Bolas the Ravenger flicker deck. Both of them play in a similar play pattern, make everyone discard their hand, then just play a super fun game of draw/discard/pass waiting for the one person with cards to win the game. If your meta is down, go for it. But be honest if you are playing 10-20 discard effects (one of them in the command zone) about what you are doing before the game starts. Also, be prepared to have everyone gang up on you.

[@jacket2848]

That's how you stop people playing discard, just make sure everybody goes for them every time. We had a player using Lavinia and all sorts of pure lockout cards, like knowledge pool etc. He started to cry about being instantly targeted at the start of every game, no matter what.

[@thomasaquinas2912]

Another great video. Thank you

[@PawzBrownMTG]

Great video sir I've been playing a Kroxa deck on arena it's pretty awesome.

[@bryankoenig9985]

Fantastic idea and deck build !! I do not want to play against this ! But!!! Please play this with the guys on The Command Zone ! The 3 of you plus anyone is always fun to watch.... but since I'm making a dream list of demands get the fourth person to be mark rosewater haha jk I'm sure you guys will find the right fit and make it happen. Thank again for the video.

[@MrEvan1932]

He's been on the Command Zone so many times, he's even been a host

[@westonmckee8592]

I’ve been running underworld breach and wheel of fate for a lot of free wheel effects if u can get wheel of fate in grave

[@Mr1337Jester]

That actually doesn't work :( For the same reason you can't cast it from your hand. No mana cost.

[@igotnova]

@@Mr1337Jester underworld breach gives it a cost namely exile 3 cards, the rules are wonky but it does work

[@KeiruKeiru]

@@igotnova Under rulings for Underworld Breach: "If a card has no mana cost, its escape cost is an unpayable cost, so you can’t cast it for that cost."

[@Putrefax]

Theres a card called Winds of Change: for one R everyone discards their hand and draws that many cards. If you have enough cards in your hand, a red ritual spell and Underworld Breach goes infinite this way.

[@skykur]

Sheldon Chambers check again. Winds of change doesn’t discard

[@leovaeg]

"Nekusar is fun"

[@robert2063]

I am surprised you didn't say torment of hailfire rust to really salt the wound

[@jasons9895]

I built a version of this deck and my entire group hated it so I took it apart

[@Croltown]

how to get your playgroup to hate you and focus you untill you're a bloody pool of death after playing this deck

[@kazikeraw]

Great video, now i need a kroxa deck :(

[@kylarstern42]

I built a Kroxa deck that is very similar and I absolutely love it! It's so much fun to pilot! Sadly my meta doesn't like discarding cards. Can't wait for them to see my next deck, which will be a counter heavy theft deck!

[@jflowization]

Heres the one thing about the deck, besides damaging your opponents with creatues, what else could we do to them when then have no cards in hand?

[@TheDARKNESS8030]

Hellbent upkeep damage to keep it going

[@MrEvan1932]

Well they lose 3 life each time he triggers, which can add up pretty quickly

[@peasnaps2146]

Now you can Tinybones them to death.

[@AhranMaoDante]

Tested the deck out against both my Nekusar deck and my Mono Black Burn. It lost all 5 games. There are too many utility lands and not enough good low drops. For a deck that's $648 ~ 694, it's sure good at losing to a deck that's $235 ~ $242 and another that's only $127.

[@remy333]

Arhen Dante doesn’t seem good enough.

[@wouterluijten9033]

You value a multiplayer commander deck based on how it does 1v1 against random decks?

[@AhranMaoDante]

@@wouterluijten9033 No, I tested it against 2 other decks at once, so 3 person commander matches. They aren't random, but rather decks that do similar things, just better. Now then, do you just value a commander deck because a KZbinr with clout in the MTG community put it together(no disrespect DJ)? Or because it has a bunch of utility lands and expensive combo pieces?

[@ronnhgas]

How about adding Library of Leng? Allow those wheel effects to restock the Library.

[@jacket2848]

And then you can't escape again

[@robertmitchell8052]

DJ have you been able to play this deck and see how it runs?

[@majesticviews5397]

Why is bolas citadel not in this? I don't know about you guys but in my play group that card is broken the moment anyone gets that to the field its GG . . .lol

[@elijahdavila3684]

This is the type of deck I target first lmao

[@puffin-onehandedgamer1164]

how do you deal with rest in peace? that enchantment just rips this deck apart single handedly

[@Jonathan-qk5ed]

That's the issue for decks like these and why they don't work against good interactive decks RIP is only one of many, just a note.

[@wouterluijten9033]

You fall back on the discard aspect of the deck and if it really bugs you, you add some colorless removal. Yes RIP sucks but it's not like you're completely cold to it if you prepare properly.

[@RecklessFables]

chaos warp might help

[@Jonathan-qk5ed]

@@RecklessFables One card in a 99 card deck won't do much to solve the issue...

[@treydempsey8685]

Syr konrad will help

[@dwaynecowart2451]

I run Haunted Cemetery, Undertaker, and Tortured Existence

[@20nathyn]

If kroxa is on the battlefields you also win during the worldgorger dragon loop

[@harrybaldino8955]

true but it's easy to disrupt the loop when you have thr right opening

[@mrTjstephens1]

@@harrybaldino8955 it's about knowing when to go off. Especially with Kroxa at the head of the deck.

[@harrybaldino8955]

@@mrTjstephens1 not true even if say the blue player is tapped out you have the black player who can kill it or the white player who can exile it or the green player who can destory the enchantment and taking you out of the whole game or the red player who will jist blow up the board on the stack

[@Nergal123]

Harry Baldino thats why people go stax route rather than turbo xerox like anje. Harder to do that stuff when a bloodmoon/magus of the moon is out. Same can be said with chains of mephistopheles. But yeah not too resilient but still really small card pool and fast so not too bad.

[@harrybaldino8955]

@@Nergal123 Stax i get cause I'm a stax player piloting Nath

[@jasawthemonkey4219]

You don't even need to make infinite mana. If kroxa is already in play you can stack the triggers so worldgorger exiles kroxa and blinks him infinitely.

[@crovax1375]

I'd build Kroxa as a combo deck. Basically if get infinite mana with Kroxa you will win the game

[@mrTjstephens1]

Worldgorger combo, i have a version of this!

[@Jonathan-qk5ed]

But why not just use a better commander at that point? If your goal is to make a RB combo deck Anje is your best option for Rakdos and going into grixis, mardu, jund, 4 color, and wubrg are just better.

[@crovax1375]

@@Jonathan-qk5ed I don't agree that Anje is a strictly better Rakdos commander. All of those other color options are fine, but Kroxa can win on turn one with the Worldgorger combo

[@Jonathan-qk5ed]

@@crovax1375 Any decks can win on turn one, but the odds are extremely low to the point where they are completely negligible. The point you make here is completely out of the picture. At the end of the day Anje accelerates your game plan as a instant value mini howling mine commander... Kroxa, each opponent discards a card of there choice, decent yes. Good, no. Note: all the other color combination listed are 100% better not just fine... adding more colors only make your deck stronger.

[@crovax1375]

@@Jonathan-qk5ed cool comment bro

[@sierrameeves4781]

If you're going in the graveyard value direction, why not add Desecrated Tomb?

[@quatha]

You are better off getting discard value instead of just making a couple 1/1 bats

[@jacket2848]

@@quatha it's far more than "a couple" lol

[@captredbeard471]

Mind slicer??

[@michaelm5518]

built this concept a long time ago with liliana heretical healer as the commander. reanimator is a stronger discard payoff than megrim effects, so definitely consider focusing on this aspect. i ended up taking most of those effects out. Though monoblack directs you to a vastly different direction.

[@treydempsey8685]

Hey DJ love the channel this is my second deck I've built. first was torban but why do you not have k'rrik son of yawgmoth in there

[@flegs9591]

Geths Grimiore+skirge familiar+words of waste Thank me later

[@TheFootballstar5588]

geths grimoire says when an opponent discards, can skirge familiar choose opponents cards?

[@KitsuLeif]

I've built a 12-Rack/Reanimator Hybrid with Kroxa and it's a lot of fun :D I even wrote a primer for it: nxs.wf/np60740

[@jeffnorris211]

I built my kroxa deck to be group hug slug with a reanimator package and discard package

[@jacket2848]

There's no such thing as group hug and discard. That's just slug.

[@nikhilvemuri2043]

Love from India

[@diceboyz7773]

Can we get an update on your collection

[@marnixw8724]

"didn't discard a nonland card" -> discarded a land card.. right?

[@Iwoqvossik]

Nah because nothing counts against you too.

[@Lazergician]

What NotVoss said. The wording is that specific because it means that if they do not discard anything (hand was already empty, for example), they still take damage.

[@CosmicConical]

Yes, it could be either a land, or no card at all.

[@lcronovt]

Rip and tear...

[@sonsysy4195]

No Mindrake? Overload 1B everyone discards 2 cards

[@alecolson8360]

[@JordanCirksena]

First to discard

[@usernameunidentified175]

3:22 Just use proxies if you want to play with a card that is too expensive for you.

[@Jonathan-qk5ed]

Only if your play group allows it... I want to play all the fast mana I want to play all off color fetchs along with OG Duals I want to play a every single efficient tutor in the game ^ see the issue with this ^

[@usernameunidentified175]

@@Jonathan-qk5ed If you really want to play all of those powerful cards then go ahead and proxy them. Don't limit yourself to weak cards that nobody wants.

[@Jonathan-qk5ed]

@@usernameunidentified175 You don't seem to understand, if everyone starts using the same cards since there is no reason not to the format becomes super homogenized and becomes stale very fast... This is why Vintage is dead, since everyone was allowed to proxy every card at tournaments you'd see he exact same things everywhere and it gets old really fast. Now EDH lists will all start off like this Mana Crypt Sol Ring Imperial Seal Vampiric Tutor Gitaxian Probe Demonic Tutor Mystical Tutor Personal Tutor Mox Diamond Lotus Petal (to some degree) every OG Dual every Fetch Rhystic Study Brainstorm Ponder Preordain etc etc etc Not all these cards are expensive, but the issue arises when everyone runs every single one of these cards and if we can all proxy anything why wouldn't we?

[@usernameunidentified175]

@@Jonathan-qk5ed It actually evens the playing field. Players who are too poor to buy the actual cards can be able to keep up with the players that use powerful cards. Do you rather people get steamrolled in games because they only have money to put in weak cards that have a ridiculous high CMC yet do really mediocre?

[@Jonathan-qk5ed]

@@usernameunidentified175 You aren't gonna get steamrolled just because you can't play OG Duals and all the best sources of card advantage, lmfao. You just need to learn how to build a good mana base and card advantage engine rather than taking the easy route of playing all the notably top tier cards. If you can't build a good deck without the cards that one would notably proxy than you're just bad at deck building tbh... My tips for you: run as many 2 CMC and lower cantrips as possible (most are cheap) Ex. Brainstorm, Opt, Sleight of Hand, Preordain, Ponder, Commune with Nature, Commune with the Gods, Once Upon a Time, Incubation, Serum Visions (not to the same degree), Impulse, Shimmer of Possibility, Tormenting Voice, Thrill of Possibility, Wild Guess (a little color restrictive), Grisly Salvage (a little color restrictive), Peer Through Depths, etc Start with these then add cards like Night's Whisper, Sign in Blood, Lead the Stampede, etc to add the most card advantage to you deck as possible. When drawing this many cards not only will you hit all your bombs, but you'll never miss lands drops and rarely get mana screwed and the few times you do you will still have stuff to do. These cards may not seem impactful at first glance in a singleton 100 card format, but they are early game plays, the slot well in the mid game (ex. play a 3 cmc roc, tap it and play one of these off my fourth land), they help dig for answers late game, they do everything. These are my tips to you for now any more questions feel free to ask, you should not proxy all cards, maybe one or two per deck as long as they are somewhat deck dependent (ex. Doubling Season, yes Imperial Seal, no).

[@rondoiron6907]

Mikaeus the unhallowed+cauldron of souls+kroxas=infinite discard/damage

[@Jonathan-qk5ed]

that's a terrible combo... 11 mana with triple black pips and it uses cards that don't synergize that well with this list to begin with...

[@emmanuelperezg]

Not infinite sice cauldron will only bring it back once, after that the creature comes back and it doesnt have persist , sure mikaeus will bring it back, and what then? Cauldron is already tapped

[@nerdaccount]

Love your content! Not 100 percent what sound an X makes in English. I thought it was like xylophone ... isn't it like a z? And Hopping has two p's and hoping has one. So wouldn't this be pronounced KRO-za? I'm serious about not being sure about this! Fun content!!

[@TheFootballstar5588]

When x is the first letter of the word than you are generally correct. However, when it is in the middle it is pronounced differently, such as the word axe.

[@kingpopaul]

How could you forget Debtor's knell.

[@Peronioz]

That card's not on Rakdos Colors, it's Orzhov.

[@cteal2018]

Where is Xantcha?

[@chexmix0101]

I feel like this will get a lot of hate like Torbran deck I made

[@Jonathan-qk5ed]

If people are hating on Torbran there just shit at this game, tell them to get good and play more spot removal if they want to bitch.

[@memevarg2530]

First!

[@loui5planks]

"discard our cards" more like discard this deck lmao /s

[@atlaswar2425]

Third???