KTM 790 Duke vs ZX6R

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The KTM 790 Duke vs 2008 ZX6R
Naked vs Sports
Specs vs Reality
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[@6tdegrees]

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[@threethrushes]

This was an excellent video. Alternative title: BHP isn't the full story! KTM seems to have more real world applicability where ability to accelerate is favoured over top line speed.

[@blackhood7840]

na they just bore out the engine and add lots of torque to their bikes thats why people think of hooliganism wheb they hear duke

[@MrTee-uy5tl]

Gerhard Symons you gotta see that the 790 duke is newest technology, the zx6r is over 10 years old now, never forget that ;)

[@quietlyloud]

@@MrTee-uy5tl bruv I had a chance to be on both to decide what to buy. If you’re not a track person. Duke everyday anyday anytime

[@enntense]

The real question is why people who will never see a track in their life persist on buying bikes with clip-ons and pegs so high their heels touch their asses...

[@4cfuture92]

Cuz that shit looks cool bud.....

[@mxp9123]

It's all in the fantasy dude

[@hipsabad]

in my experience they have one major advantage, i.e. they're great for wind deflection at high speeds. If you've ever ridden for hours at high speed on a upright naked you'll know

[@MTMoctor]

@@hipsabad by that logic, adventure tourers are better and more comfortable.

[@1Guy1SonyVegas]

because they want to

[@4cfuture92]

This bike would make for an absolutely monster rc790

[@mohammadaffanqizer9936]

What about rc8😁

[@exothermal.sprocket]

The Duke 890R coming is something I'm looking forward to. Premium suspension, Stylema brakes, 121 hp, a bit less weight... tasty.

[@neorider9183]

and much more money !

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@neorider9183 How much more? For all the features it offers, it's inexpensive in the category.

[@quietlyloud]

Bruv if KTM iss expensive for you. You are either too broke or hater Or just don’t know what you’re talking about

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@quietlyloud Ok tough guy. How much do you earn per year? And ask me questions about motorcycles, difficult questions. Be ready to have a search engine, manufacturer's websites, stats, dyno charts, parts diagrams, and other places available to fact check me.

[@Aaron-ci4lu]

Ktm 790 vs fz09

[@6tdegrees]

Aaron pee trying to organise that

[@Aaron-ci4lu]

@@6tdegrees noice

[@ev_an_8898]

6Tdegrees I got you ;) . Bring on the ktm

[@carlospiceyweiner100]

Mt09 will munch it

[@Aaron-ci4lu]

@@carlospiceyweiner100 I don't think so they make about the same power . The ktm I think it's lighter.

[@kamwansasikorn9883]

I prefer the style of the Duke for a daily ride I'm a Hypermotard girl but I do have a knee scraper for track days.

[@santhosh5105]

Nice.. How soon can you make a video of Duke vs 2019 Zx6r considering the later has a different gearing.

[@havokmaster2]

You ride torque and race with horsepower. So it makes more sense that a lower reving torquie motor would boggy to 100 faster then the high revving motor. The power curve is everything.

[@fatsrat]

Cool video bud. Think the results would be different if u adjusted the zx6r gearing so they had the same top speed 🤔

[@6tdegrees]

cheers mate, the only mods that zx6r had was an acro slip on - DNA air filter - power commander - and three extra teeth on the rear.

[@deathwish8339]

I have to say that gearing is playing the biggest role in this comparison. If they were similarly geared, the Ninja would walk the KTM. The KTM is no doubt a much better day to day bike with great hooligan potential. The Ninja a much better track weapon. Both of them great bikes.

[@6tdegrees]

The only mods that the zx6r had was an acro slip on - DNA air filter - power commander - and three extra teeth on the rear.. the KTM was stock as a rock however... we decided to do the roll on race because the KTM had the biggest advantage over the zx6 with its launch control.

[@Undiscribable3]

Do the KTM 790 vs Gsx S 750! That would be good

Gixxer wil kill it easy

[@MTMoctor]

@ its not a gixxer though, its an S750.

[@Undiscribable3]

Gsx s750 is actually pretty solid. Referring to the 2018 version. 112 hp and once you hit 6k rpm the thing flies. It's definitely heavier than the ktm 790, but it would still be a good race imo.

@@MasterNick7412 Sorry, I meant gsx-r 750. Even though gsxs 1000 it's a bomb, gsx-r 2005 derived engine with 140 hp, a VERY underrated bike

@@MasterNick7412 Remember Suzuki BKing with Hayabusa engine? even today there is nothing similar, not even a Diavel, may be a Super Duke, but I don't think could beat it

[@m.rsteengrei3569]

my favorite street and race brands side by side,how lovely.

[@danwedmaier9404]

77kw is 105(ish) hp you’re proving specs right. The bigger engine will deliver more torque under the curve and hold out the 600 till sheer torque isn’t enough to win.....

[@AakashKumar-do3tx]

Never mess with ninjas

[@batsy_jr]

That guy's left gauntlet have some serious damage. Seriously bro waana use that ?

[@6tdegrees]

You’re not wrong haha

[@jeffiles7953]

Bodyweight could have made the difference.

[@6tdegrees]

jeff iles only 10kg difference plus we switched as well

[@michelebianchetti3471]

Mirrors on the 790 Duke? 😍

[@stuartho]

Keen to know what brand they are. I reckon they'd go well on my Z900!

[@Chris_Dkb]

Highsider is the brand i think

[@thebipolarbiker9549]

Nice work guys. The duke is even better with a few simple mods.

[@jeffiles7953]

To be fair I did not expect the 790 to be as fast as it actually is and is the Kawasski as fast as it could actually be. I used to have a 2013 ZX636R with mods it made a genuine 122hp at the wheel and was lighter and it was fast.

[@glenwhyte2555]

I tested both.. ktm is awesome The 2019 636 likewise is awesome and a brexit ! You either love it or hate it.. both ride great. Chalk n cheese to compare although the kwack did it over the looks for me and the brakes are phenomenal. I'm collecting my new 636 tomorrow but must say if i had to ride daily I'd have got the 790 ! Real road ktm, looking good and not feeling as comfortable 636 😎

[@jeffiles7953]

@@glenwhyte2555 I found the Kawasski too uncomfortable in the end as I'm 49 now. I now ride a BMW S1000XR in motorsport colours with some cosmetic mods and an Austin racing exhaust, it goes like hell.

[@glenwhyte2555]

@@jeffiles7953 i think all uprights win in the comfort department. I'm 44 and always wanted a sportbike, probably be a painful experience and in 3 years be looking for a more upright bike 🤣 Ride safe mate I'm literally about to leave mine and collect it !!!

[@jeffiles7953]

Enjoy her,and keep it to 4k revs for a couple of hundred miles and then don't worry too much after that. The guy that tuned my Kawasski said that Kawasski UK used to give him bikes with 5 miles on the clock to thrash on the dyno and they never had a problem with them.

[@medicaltherapy]

Lovely video and explanation. Good job boys. :)

[@herminigildodelacruzjr1752]

It s just the difference of how you look at it with kawi you get what you paid for and its worth every penny the traction control the abs they put on it is super

[@m.rsteengrei3569]

ninjas are always like this , , , on accelerating they start to think hmmm what should i do??? should I go?? does he want me to spit fire??? and after awhile when they make up their mind, , , all of a sudden , , , those invisible twin turbo blasters come to life and wwwwoooooo there you go . you are riding a huge green bullet .

[@Flip01]

Enjoyed the vid. I'm assuming this was filmed on a private road! 👍

[@6tdegrees]

Flip a closed off private road indeed

[@MrDikbalg]

You can base it on specs, but you can't base accelleration solely on PEAK horsepower. There's 10000+ other rpms there at which the engine generates a different number of power.

[@acopernic]

The KTM is the bike for nowadays. Light, manageable, with a lot of torque, compact (for traffic it's always good). The real problem with this bike it's between 1500 and 3000rpm. Has to install a fuel regulator to give more stability at low rpm.

[@Kendkend]

Thanks for the tip. Im debating whether to buy the 790 duke and sell my sv650 which was my first bike and it doesnt suffer any low rpm fuel problems. Such a tough decision

[@JK-tu1xx]

790 tops out at about 145-150 mph or 230 ish kph so if we're figuring the ZX6R tops out at the usual 163 mph (260 ish kph) as most supersport 600's do basically the KTM will kill all supersports up until it his about 80% of its top speed at which aero comes into play and gearing and the supersports usually don't start to struggle til about 140 mph so about 85% of what they are capable of as well. It's not really fair to measure a supersport vs. the 790 in a straight line purely based on the fact that is not what it's meant for, the 790 is supposed to be a fun, fast, and commutable naked bike that you can take to the track on weekends and destroy other bikes with. I reckon the 790 would set a full 5 second + faster lap time than the ZX6R.

[@jaysurya734]

Superb , not many like this

[@soupdragon1]

Good video thanks

[@Kendkend]

Excellent video mate! Subscribed. I got a sv650 while many buddies have 600s. Its hard to hang with them past 60mph on the sv. Atleast the duke 790 doubles that. I just hope its as easy in the corners as the sv. Maybe thats my next bike:)

[@DrKampfpudding]

did you get the 790 ? Im considering trading my sv 650 for a 790 aswell. if yes how noticeable is the difference ? cheers

[@Kendkend]

@@DrKampfpudding no never did. After realizing the 790 is also not fully faired so it will be tough to ride on the highways or past a certain speed. So instead I got a daytona 675 3 cyl and it's perfect. That 3 cyl whistle and howls like no other 4 cyl 600 and its faster than most 600s out there. Truly a gem. Now i might trade that and get a newer year model with ABS. Check into it. My sv is being sold. Daytona has spoiled me. The brakes, suspension, quickshifter are all top of the line stuff.

[@DrKampfpudding]

@@Kendkend nice . Thanks for replying ! Have fun with your 675 , its a really nice Bike ! Stay Safe

[@MM-zg6wt]

Pro video...like it

[@iodineclip]

displacement also makes a huge difference.

[@tzioni]

It’s harder to lunch a supersport with stock gearing but still a good rider will lunch this thing faster while using a bit of clutch to get the revs up. But if it’s a surprise acceleration like in every day situation the duke will react faster...

[@6tdegrees]

Ran Tzioni I do love a good lunch 🥙

[@Gunsforshow1]

Great comparison.

[@Thin_Limbz]

slight odd question bro, how tall is your mate?

[@alechenry9994]

nice video. informative

[@RMenon968]

Thank you!

[@Woden203]

Awesome mirrors man. Where did you get em from? Do you know if they come for the 1290?

[@6tdegrees]

Alex Bukal could only find these mirrors on the KTM website. Any KTM dealerships should have them in stock.

[@Woden203]

@@6tdegrees Ahhh right on. Those ones I always thought were mounted facing downwards instead of upwards on the powerparts pictures.

[@arctic92x26]

@@Woden203 Curious how the guards are mounted with the mirrors as KTM PowerParts website says they won't work together. I'd love to get that same setup for mine

[@alexduey7868]

i'd buy either one of these bikes today there just built for different things, pick your flavor

[@prolificanalytics4499]

its just how you want to ride and your preference, both bikes are beautiful in their own ways

[@funkfridays2283]

Try the 636 version of the ninja and say goodbye to the nakeds

[@6tdegrees]

Mmmm yeah maybe... probably when you hit the 180km mark, in all honesty I can’t see the 636 being quicker to 150km than MT09 or the Brutale 800.. maybe ktm 790 however it does have launch control, but we will see when we obtain the 2019 model for a video review.

[@seriousarrr7840]

ktm for torque. no arguement

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Duke 890R promises to fix any shortcomings, as well as producing 120 bhp.

[@endoftheworld29]

Its not about the bike. Its about the rider riding the bike.

[@prolificanalytics4499]

a liter bike is a liter bike, but the biggest thing is, is it a ninja 250 or is it an h2? all depends on the rider, if a gp rider gets on a bike its almost as if it gained 600 hp

[@utubelgr]

Not to complicate much, assuming same displacement - Smaller the number of cylinders, better the low-mid range. Bigger the number of cylinders better the mid-top end. KTM has 2 cylinder - So better low-mid Ninja has 4 cylinder - So better mid-top If you come up with a single cylinder bike with same displacement, that would have even better lows than KTM

[@6tdegrees]

Ravisankar Ganapathy on point

[@prolificanalytics4499]

actually wrong, theres a difference between a V-Twin and parallel twin, yes both twins do have a better midrange but a V-Twin has a good low to mid while a parallel twin is all around, better at mid-top though

[@midibudu]

i mean not sure if its because of the country map or whatever but in europe, at least spain, it picks up a bit faster at 180

[@RealOrbit-Australia]

I think even if you just looked at the specs you would know....KTM has 5-7bhp more (convert kw to hp mate) and weighs only 169 dry (not sure about the kawi but I'm sure it's more than that) and has more torque. Specs are enough I'd say. Oh and it's 10 years newer than the Kawasaki in the video with qhickshifters etc

[@6tdegrees]

RealOrbit - Australia there’s a difference between bhp and rwhp (rear wheel horsepower) in actual fact the zx6r pumps out more hp and both bikes weigh the same dry.

[@kennethsyland6409]

Interesting comparison, two kind of different bikes. However, it just goes to show two cylinders rule hehe. They are more torquey down low tho. But get up to speed and the KTM does not have a chance

[@caskstrength7629]

Good video 👍

[@LizardMane]

Why doesn't ktm make a sport bike version of this bike?

[@horizonrider508]

even H2R CANT BEAT DUKE 1290 R TILL 230 KMPH KTM IS FASTEST FOR INITIALS NO ONE CAN BEAT IN INITIALS AGAINST KTMS AND I DO LIKE INITIAL OVER TOP END

[@6tdegrees]

Did you see that hypernaked shoot out race of the KTM1290 vs ZH2 vs tuono vs Ducati streetfighter?

[@jeyzee691]

Insightful.

[@RobBread1]

Awesome!

[@psmith608]

Very interesting...

[@moderatewrist4906]

What mirrors are they on the duke?

[@wheelsoffire658]

Aerodynamic is the issue , don't worry rc790 is on the way......

[@micsierra806]

That looks like the equivalent of Iowa here in the states. Flat farmland as far as he eye can see.

[@bhakteshvernekar3468]

Kawasaki got the 17000 rpm...

[@joeykimball5705]

Does anyone know if the 790 duke is being made in china? I saw a vid about the adventure version being made in China. I know the 390s are made in india, but curious if theyre chinese made. If so thats a no go for me, sadly

[@6tdegrees]

Joey Kimball most manufacturers components are made in asia. Harley Davidsons frames are made in China, BMW’s suspension is made in India... in all honesty I really wouldn’t worry about it because no matter what bike you jump on it’s guaranteed the majority of the bike will be in China/India/Pakistan ... list goes on

[@theRealkillioniare]

Kawi for sure

[@mahapriyadharshini4204]

Zx6r super ......💪👌👌👌👌👌

[@libinchandran9934]

Goosebumbs ... song pls ?

[@vanquangphuong379]

give that ktm to a Vietnamese rider and you'll only see its tail light lol

[@6tdegrees]

Văn Quang Phương 😂

[@AnirudhRived]

Also its an 04 Kawasaki i guess which is 15 years old tech

[@6tdegrees]

Anirudh Rived Singh it’s actually an 08 ZX6r with a Dyno run of 113rwhp.

[@BEN-uz7io]

Why is wearing torn gloves

[@apymv6128]

Price difference is huge.. like zx6r is 50% more costlier than 790

[@bionickchief]

its same price in my country,i think ill go for ktm since its also comfortable for long rididng

[@BrettObie]

It's an 11 year old zx6r it's half the price of the 790.

[@apymv6128]

@@BrettObie yes but that will be used... Used bikes are mostly shitty

[@apymv6128]

@@bionickchief definitely... But zx6r is more fun.. and ktm has more electronics.. so I am confused as wll.. 4 cylinders sounds so good as well

[@prolificanalytics4499]

the brand new 2019 zx6r has a MRSP of 10k, the duke is a lot more than that

[@chrome9455]

WHAT! a naked duke against a race breed zx series ninja? ninja that goes well beyond 12k rpm? how is this fair?

[@prolificanalytics4499]

105 hp stock parallel twin is unbelievable in my eyes

[@chrome9455]

@@prolificanalytics4499 yeah and other is 135hp with 16k rev limit ktm doesnt stand a chance even if it has 145 hp

[@prolificanalytics4499]

@@chrome9455 everything is about speed on the streets isn't it? comfort-ability with speed is so much better in my mind. You 4 cylinders are just not fun at all unless you run it at the track, it sucks ass at low rpms

[@prolificanalytics4499]

and plus having more revs doesn't mean more power btw

[@chrome9455]

@@prolificanalytics4499 it doesnt mean more power but it does mean it will utilize power on high end better which in result will give you quick top speed and if you want comfort buy a cruiser or cafe racer one of this is everyday mid segment bike and other is race breed mid segment superbike its like comparing a super car like farrari with an every day car like mercedes. both can have 6ltr engine doesnt mean both are same.

[@ajsmotolife5641]

Thats the slowest model of the ZX6R and if it has stock gearing it's a bit of a dog. ZX6R's are almost always geared to high stock

[@6tdegrees]

AJ it’s not stock and it has been modified - acro exhaust - DNA air filter - power commander - 3 teeth on the rear and she’s definitely not slow 😉

[@prolificanalytics4499]

no four cylinder is a dog regardless of anything, if you know how to ride you will bring a monster out of anything, my dad was actually able to get a ninja 400 0-60 under 4 seconds cause he is a professional racer and knows how to properly take off. All it has is a akropovic exhaust, and my normal riding usually gets it 0-60 in 4.5 ish seconds when everything online says its 5 seconds barely under 5 if you do it perfect, why? because they don't know how to actually ride the bike. GP riders are even more scary, my dad was only superbike

[@ajsmotolife5641]

@@prolificanalytics4499 Read carefully, I'm comparing it to other ZX6R models out of the modern FI models the 07-08 is the slowest and notoriously lacking in torque, with stock gearing it's a dog in the low revs.

[@ajsmotolife5641]

@@6tdegrees Of course it's not slow, just the slowest out of the FI ZX6R models. Ive ridden all of them :D. +3 gearing helps a lot, I'd go down 1 in the front too personally

[@feliwyyyn2584]

exactly why im back to bi.

[@romeonongkhlaw6285]

Don't compare cheap duke vs kawasaki❤️

[@adarshbhavsar122]

Its a 10.5 lakh bike, kid. And you can buy a scooter only😂

[@romeonongkhlaw6285]

@@adarshbhavsar122 n you can buy bihari cycle😂😂😂😂

[@kwesto03]

Private road?

[@6tdegrees]

kristian weston closed off private road

[@ANONYMOUS-fu2pz]

Fuck dat ktm broo zx6r would slaughter ktm anyday anytime .... Be it tracks or anywhere....

[@Joanchovyy]

too bad the ktm isn’t stable at speeds that matter lol

[@ittybitbobo7657]

You start this video with more bs as usual. Why did you give hores power on the gsxr but some stupid kilowatt. They both have horsepower ratings. Stop the bs

[@GurpreetSingh-ye1pw]

Kawasaki 👍👍👍👍👍

[@denverr.i.p.6231]

R6 will smoke the kawi

[@prolificanalytics4499]

yes but the r6 is just fucking horrible for the street, the way the power is delivered and everything, it runs so smooth on the track when your able to have it at high rpms but the bike just HATES being at low rpms. So uncomfortable and just not smooth at all unless your running it hard

[@motobull93]

Lol

[@GroovyStyleUnbox]

Will never go for sports bike as they are pure evil

[@herminigildodelacruzjr1752]

This prove one thing and its obvius kawasaki is more superior in every way

[@cyberpunk6554]

Nahh zx6r is almost 50% more costlier...and the 790 is a naked bike sooo....its not a good match

[@kutykutyka]

Herminigildo Dela Cruz Jr...Every way, except low-mid range power, torque, 0-100km/h -- 0-180km/h acceleration, comfortable upright seating position, so basically Kawasaki is better in everything that most people don't care about much :) Yes I like top speed fast runs, but that's about 1% of my riding miles, if that. Most people don't do much above 160-180km/h , without spending all of their pay checks on tickets. Nothing against Kawa, I just love when I twist the throttle and it feels like I sit on the back of an angry Rhino that's kicking the pants of a Lion. :D Previous owner of Yamaha FZ-10 and currently have the FZ-09

[@herminigildodelacruzjr1752]

@@kutykutyka i do think you just said what iwas saying if you buy track bike you get zx6r you want to go arou nd the city and never want to try race track you get ktm just rememberthe kawi zx6r can do city driving on regular day and go to race trck on week end and like i said you get what you paid for so if you like to tour country get the otherbike

[@BrettObie]

@@cyberpunk6554 It's an 11 year old zx6r not a current spec, no way that new 13k 790 is cheaper than a 5-6k used bike