Kubo Reveals NEW DETAILS on Starrk's ORIGINAL FORM, The Power Aizen FEARED + More! | Klub Outside

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@MrTommo2304
@MrTommo2304 Ай бұрын
So...barely a week or so after my video on whether Baraggan deserved to be the Primera Espada, Kubo drops this information on us. So, what do you think? How powerful really was Starrk's original form, and what does it mean for his present day iteration? Let me know - thanks everyone!
@brandon-ei1mz
@brandon-ei1mz Ай бұрын
lol Last video I said Reatsu wins every time and people were arguing not, now go argue with KUBO. LMFAO
@MrDeclareWar
@MrDeclareWar Ай бұрын
Your thumbnail is very disingenuous, Regarding power, ressurected starrk would be above base original form starrk which means he can't be close to aizens level at all. Original starrk split into two, if he halved his power then his original form would be maximum 2x greater than base current starrk (hogyoku amp) or starrk when he split (pre hogyoku amp), you could argue he gave more power to lilynette like say 90% making her stronger than starrk but that would make no sense as shes extemely weak and its also not likely a 50-50 split. So in no instance should aizen be below any form of starrk or fear him as original starrk at most in ressurection would only be abit stronger to 2x stronger(MAX) than split ressurected starrk. And ressurected starrk struggled with love and rose and then lost to shunsui. Aizen destroyed all the captains, so aizen should have no reason to fear him. It seems like kubo contradicted the question by saying he thinks it's because starrks charm is being hard to read as if thats why aizen didn't recruit starrk in his original form, not to do with power.
@nodatastored684
@nodatastored684 Ай бұрын
I'm under the impression, that Stark and the Espada are in the Image of Dead shinigami and came from Shinig
@kanoreese1253
@kanoreese1253 Ай бұрын
So if Kubo is saying that Starrk's power would be difficult to deal with, then he's either contradicting or retconning what he had Aizen say in ch.376 pg.1, where he states that his power exceeds all of the Espadas. If his power exceeds all of them then how is he finding it difficult to deal with Starrk?🤔🤯
@Babylauncher3000
@Babylauncher3000 Ай бұрын
I always liked the idea that Starrk is basically a Hallow mirror to Zaraki. Someone so overwhelmingly strong it isolated them from the rest of the world to the point they physically manifested their own companion. Both manifestations subconsciously took the form of a little sister/daughter to give them something to want to protect.
@A_Bottle-Of_Orange_Crush
@A_Bottle-Of_Orange_Crush Ай бұрын
"I don't feel so good, Mr. Stark....☠️" Hundreds of unnamed hollows probably.
@radiant_osiris1
@radiant_osiris1 Ай бұрын
I love this comment!
@TheLevelsEdge
@TheLevelsEdge Ай бұрын
🫰
@Taofizzle
@Taofizzle Ай бұрын
Ha!!😂
@Sylverzen
@Sylverzen Ай бұрын
Nailed it!
@Elris4
@Elris4 Ай бұрын
Oh my god, it probably really felt like that to him when it happened, too! Curse you for making his story even more painful to imagine! 😭
@manuelacosta9463
@manuelacosta9463 Ай бұрын
Aizen being wary of someone or something because of their power really says something. Starrk was definitely a powerful being but his personality was not up for it. Between just wanting friends and even morally opposing killing he was better suited to be with Ichigo and company.
@thestarryeyedobserver
@thestarryeyedobserver Ай бұрын
i wanted for him to become a trio with kyoraku and shunsui so badly... it's a shame that he died.
@papasauce234
@papasauce234 Ай бұрын
I mean Aizen's spiritual pressure/energy specifically was stated to be about double or more of a normal Captain, and I know it's not necessarily a particularly "good" comparison but Stark was not even trying while fighting 3 captains at one point and they couldn't put a finger on him He was insanely strong, he was just literally too lazy to use it
@сахасахович-п2и
@сахасахович-п2и Ай бұрын
​@@thestarryeyedobservermaybe in Hell arc Stark would team up with Kyoraku to defeat corrupted Ukitake
@kjford587
@kjford587 Ай бұрын
​@@thestarryeyedobserver kyoraku and shunsui 😭🙏🏾
@chrisboricua1911
@chrisboricua1911 Ай бұрын
no it doesnt aizen literally said the same thing about renji in ss arc and no diffed him bare hands
@Shady_br
@Shady_br Ай бұрын
Finally Kubo chose a good question to answer instead of "what's this character favourite food"
@SeiyaTempest
@SeiyaTempest Ай бұрын
But what's Starrk's favourite food?
@mariusbrincus8967
@mariusbrincus8967 Ай бұрын
​@@SeiyaTempest Quatro Formaggj Pizza, I know because I was in Fake Karakura Town Banchai
@hazleygod
@hazleygod Ай бұрын
I for one love those questions
@PlusMinu7
@PlusMinu7 Ай бұрын
@@SeiyaTempest XD
@jayenlow1191
@jayenlow1191 Ай бұрын
I always interpreted Aizen in that scene deciding to forgo the bravado because he had found a kindred spirit, or at least the closest to, in suffering in solitude due to being anomalously powerful. This adds to that with the fact that he was wary of what Starrk to do
@RuneKatashima
@RuneKatashima Ай бұрын
Yeah, since a few comments by Ichigo and HatnClogs suggests Aizen is just lonely at the top due to his strength. He wanted someone who could understand him, even if he didn't fully realize that himself. So yeah, maybe he found someone kindred like that in Starrk. As for Espada 0, I think he simply couldn't relate due to their clear difference in philosophies and intelligence.
@ashutoshchavan6115
@ashutoshchavan6115 10 күн бұрын
Ichigo also not so smart and intelligence ​@@RuneKatashima
@RuneKatashima
@RuneKatashima 9 күн бұрын
@@ashutoshchavan6115 Ichigo has good fight intelligence though. You don't need a massive brain to still be smart. Also, Kisuke Urahara agrees with him, who is top 3 of the smartest individuals in the series. If not smartest.
@Nekogami04
@Nekogami04 Сағат бұрын
@@ashutoshchavan6115 Ichigo is in the top grades of his class, and he learns things almost instantly. While there are characters more intelligent and knowledgeable than him, he isn't by any means not.
@artydomi2466
@artydomi2466 Ай бұрын
It was his number Mr. Aizen! He was number 1!
@MrGksarathy
@MrGksarathy Ай бұрын
Shining bright for everyone!
@coreys1114
@coreys1114 Ай бұрын
Goated comment 🎯😮‍💨
@Law34prez
@Law34prez Ай бұрын
That'll do sir, that'll do 😂
@KSubsforBenk
@KSubsforBenk Ай бұрын
BEST COMMENT !
@FriedGamer
@FriedGamer Ай бұрын
Licking doorknobs is illegal on other planets
@mr.dougnut8240
@mr.dougnut8240 Ай бұрын
How to approach an introvert? Step 1: DO NOT APPROACH TOO EARLY. - Aizen Sosuke
@mugenokami2201
@mugenokami2201 Ай бұрын
Introverts: see? He gets us
@isaacbatgamer9958
@isaacbatgamer9958 Ай бұрын
wow aizen you are literally right
@bernardjudegutierrez4721
@bernardjudegutierrez4721 Ай бұрын
Stark always felt like number one Shining bright for everyone Living out his fantasy The brightest star for all to see
@vb2806
@vb2806 Ай бұрын
The problem is if he wanted to see some action, he should have to be the center of attraction.
@MrDarkWind
@MrDarkWind Ай бұрын
Aizen: Rising one finger
@RoyalTfrii
@RoyalTfrii Ай бұрын
​@@MrDarkWind *shun-sui playing a game of tag
@blackcat-fr6lu
@blackcat-fr6lu Ай бұрын
Weak ass stark
@skyrogue1977
@skyrogue1977 Ай бұрын
The notion of Aizen being afraid of something is comical. Like he’s nervously looking around a rock at original Starrk.
@eyebra
@eyebra Ай бұрын
LMAO the thought of aizen cowering behind a rock is way too funny
@patrickzantomaster
@patrickzantomaster Ай бұрын
Og starrk: „it sounds like…someone wants to RECRUIT ME“ followed by silence and Aizen behind a rock with gin and tosen saying „See? I told you he was onto us!“
@mariothane8754
@mariothane8754 Ай бұрын
“So…uh…nice…corpse pile…” “Thanks…” “…” “…” “Tosen, this is literally the first thing I’ve done where I didn’t have a monologue prepared. What do I do?”
@cyrax78
@cyrax78 Ай бұрын
Stark feels like one of those "secret super bosses" in RPGs where even the end boss is say, level 60 but the super boss is hanging out somewhere random and is level 100
@Navin4061
@Navin4061 Ай бұрын
I'd take Kubo's answers in the Q&A with a grain of salt.
@Timjer92
@Timjer92 Ай бұрын
Frankly Starrk being so unbelievably strong (despite his pacifism) actually is cool to hear. Not just because he's my favorite Espada, but it also makes sense. I mean, we know that Quincy (Lille and Askin and such) and Shinigami (Zaraki and Hitsugaya and Aizen and such) can produce prodigies that are *much* stronger and talented than their kind usually has any right to be, so why not Hollows as well? I always found it disappointing that Starrk died before we ever truly got to see him go all-out, nor that we never saw a Segunda Etapa from him.
@thefanwithoutaface8105
@thefanwithoutaface8105 Ай бұрын
While that's true the main issue is like you said Starrk is dead. Unlike Askin, Lillie, Zaraki or Histugaya we'll never get to see Starrk truly unleash this kind of power, so really what's the point?
@Timjer92
@Timjer92 Ай бұрын
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 The point is that, while Starrk was ultimately wasted potential, it's nice to know at least _how much_ potential we missed out on, if that makes sense.
@jonathanlarge7647
@jonathanlarge7647 Ай бұрын
Nah starrk will comeback in hell arc
@chineychin8514
@chineychin8514 Ай бұрын
@@jonathanlarge7647im taking that and running for the hills
@bynosaurus4024
@bynosaurus4024 Ай бұрын
@@jonathanlarge7647starrk shouldn't be in hell unless he committed some sin in his human life (assuming he had one), he'll just be purified and sent to the soul society. if he died in soul society and still had his super high reiatsu, then they might seal him in hell.
@qorv4973
@qorv4973 Ай бұрын
It makes sense tbh. Aizen needed to be cautious of a hollow with omnidirectional attacks and immense spiritual pressure, especially if he didnt have a firm idea of his intentions. Imagine a moment like Shinji vs Bambi Also if his reiatsu was killing hollows with its mere presence Aizen may have been hesitant to bring him to Las Noches where Starkk could potentially kill members of his army with his mere presence. Aizen is quite strong but an overlooked fact is that even with the hogyoku he was aware of certain threats
@theworldoffun8997
@theworldoffun8997 Ай бұрын
Aizen: guys, here's our new recruit, the strongest I've seen, welcome out new friend Sta...rk... Why do you drop dead like flies? I thought you were stronger...
@eluclid
@eluclid Ай бұрын
Starrk isnt a threat to aizen, cmon now.
@mandalorianhunter1
@mandalorianhunter1 Ай бұрын
​@@eluclidhe was
@eluclid
@eluclid Ай бұрын
@@mandalorianhunter1 no he wasn't lmao
@mandalorianhunter1
@mandalorianhunter1 Ай бұрын
@@eluclid i know you aren't smart but why come to a video and not listen?
@ErenisRanitos
@ErenisRanitos Ай бұрын
Kubo-sensei gave one sentence and MrTommo made almost 30 minutes long video from it. 😆 amazing.
@a_ferns23
@a_ferns23 Ай бұрын
Ad revenue
@blueberry-kingdom
@blueberry-kingdom Ай бұрын
it's pretty egregious... he stretches everything into 30 minutes with 29 minutes of recap
@doublea4012
@doublea4012 Ай бұрын
Moving like tekking, love it 😂
@phillystevesteak6982
@phillystevesteak6982 Ай бұрын
​@@blueberry-kingdomi mean it's tough. He's a bleach channel,and thats his passion. But we're only being drip fed new info/content so there's no a lot to go off of. He should probably branch out a little more
@JFran.
@JFran. Ай бұрын
I hate this kind of content.
@TheAwesomeDarkNinja
@TheAwesomeDarkNinja Ай бұрын
Stark would be the one death I'd be cool with Kubo retconning honestly. Like revealing he survived and just went off on his own. For being the Primera, he went out in the lamest way.
@Sicarius_Avindar
@Sicarius_Avindar Ай бұрын
Just "One of the Wolves escaped, and it just regenerated into Starrk once more."
@officiallyjan8596
@officiallyjan8596 Ай бұрын
His death makes perfect sense with his aspect though, it's totally on-brand for the Espada of Loneliness to die unremarkably and fairly obscured by the other deaths around him, not even standing out on the battlefield he died on despite having had the power to.
@godlychrixal9520
@godlychrixal9520 Ай бұрын
would be easy to justify too. His wound was no worse than Hallibels after all. Orihime could easily heal him
@HackedGlitch265
@HackedGlitch265 Ай бұрын
But Staark wanted friends/companions. Even if he did decide to just go off alone, it's incredibly unlikely that he'd just stay away from the quincy invasion because of that desire. Sadly, you can't really retcon his death without really making him out to be a coward really? It's still a shame, considering he never went all out, and despite being an enemy, wasn't really a menace to the "good" guys. On the flipside, since Ukitake died, he'd make a great friend for Shunsui, considering how they're both laid back and chill in general.
@chewy_bucca
@chewy_bucca Ай бұрын
Starks Secunda Etapa would be his original form maybe!? I think hes capable of reaching it but would never want to go to that place of compleye loneliness again. Unlike Ulquirora who made that opposite choice.
@Asayoru242
@Asayoru242 Ай бұрын
I imagine aizen was monitoring his reiatsu periodically without actually approaching, sensing the risk. When stark split aizen sensed the dip in spiritual pressure and decided to approach. Maybe he could get an idea of his emotional state too through reiatsu.
@blackcat-fr6lu
@blackcat-fr6lu Ай бұрын
LMAO
@Bossu
@Bossu Ай бұрын
It almost seems like Aizen sees himself in the past when he approaches Starrk for the first time. Didn't Ichigo theorize Aizen has been so incredibly strong for as long as he knows, not being able to find an equal at all? And that this makes him feel incredibly lonely? Maybe he sees himself in Starrk from back then, viewing that time in his life as the dark days.
@KJh-x9t
@KJh-x9t Ай бұрын
Exactly my thoughts
@Migitman628
@Migitman628 Ай бұрын
I think the beauty (and tragedy) of Stark is that he matched up so well with Kyoraku. Both laid back pacifists that are stronger than those around them. The beauty is they sound like friends as they fight, showing how they both hold back not for their safety, but for the safety of everyone around them. The tragedy being we don’t see how much Kyoraku was holding back until TYBW, so Stark has been forgotten by many and don’t connect that he was holding back just as much, if not more, that Kyoraku.
@D-Havoc
@D-Havoc Ай бұрын
Lilynette told Starrk that if he didn't want to lose more friends, then that's all the more reason to be more serious and get the fight over with. He came to realize that he and Shunsui really weren't anything alike in the end. Starrk went all-out for consideration of his comrades. Shunsui had to hold back for consideration of his own comrades as well.
@freshseth8325
@freshseth8325 Ай бұрын
​@@D-Havoc Agreed. At first glance they both appear alike, and that's the case in terms of character. But after the fight, you see the differences in the abilities. But they still have likenesses, namely the loneliness aspect. Shunsui imo, knows he's losing his friend (Juushiro) due to his illness and lost his brother as we saw in tybw. So they both have that laid back attitude but that lone-wolf (pun intended) trait.
@zamaskowany12
@zamaskowany12 25 күн бұрын
Kyoraku is not a pacifist by any means.
@youwouldntremembermeanyway7410
@youwouldntremembermeanyway7410 22 күн бұрын
@@Migitman628 Kyoraku isnt a pacifist bruh he is just lazy asf and fighting is tiring so he just goes for diplomatic solutions. But if it goes down to it, Kyoraku is a beast who disregard any morals and uses whatever tricks he has in his disposal to win
@MaxIronsThird
@MaxIronsThird Ай бұрын
I hope Starkk comes back, maybe one of the Wolves was able to escape and after the timeskip from the Hell Arc, he's back on his feet.
@ShrineInternet
@ShrineInternet Ай бұрын
Wishful thinking..., But I want it too happen so bad
@prsuave420
@prsuave420 Ай бұрын
Here's how I see it. If you look at cien granz and his power then starks original power must have been terrifying. After Szayelaporro split himself from his brother he went from the 0 espada to the 8th. While stark split himself and was still powerful enough to be the Primera espada. And it's even more impressive when considering he is a natural arrancar.
@lewycraft
@lewycraft Ай бұрын
Yeah, if original Stark was turned Arrancar by Aizen instead of being natural born one? His power would likely eclipse even pre transformed Aizen.
@lolwhat19
@lolwhat19 Ай бұрын
That cien shit not canon bro.
@prsuave420
@prsuave420 Ай бұрын
@lolwhat19 kubo designed the characters in SAFWY. Including cein. It's cannon bro. Argue with yourself.
@lolwhat19
@lolwhat19 Ай бұрын
@@prsuave420 character design doesnt mean jackshit. kubo also designed anime filler characters. they canon too? idiot.
@AdultSupervision.
@AdultSupervision. Ай бұрын
A very simple and intelligent view on the situation. I Agree. His power may have also kept growing over time and even sometimes killing his stronger friends whom he hoped could survive.
@BatMan-qr3kf
@BatMan-qr3kf Ай бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't lilynet still conscious when they fuse again? If so couldn't that imply they still haven't fully become one and that might limit their power from what it once was?
@ironclad-m3q
@ironclad-m3q Ай бұрын
Isn't that obvious? They don't even fuse, Lilynette just turn into a gun, and Starrk use it.
@davidwhidden9337
@davidwhidden9337 Ай бұрын
When Stark uses the wolves, doesn't she dissapear?
@emmanuelakande3563
@emmanuelakande3563 Ай бұрын
@@davidwhidden9337no she becomes the wolves that’s why when the wolves die stark cries out her name as he can’t hear her anymore
@sound-l34ked45
@sound-l34ked45 Ай бұрын
@@emmanuelakande3563the crazy thing is that was only mentioned in the anime. The manga doesn’t mention her disappearing when the wolves are gone. Its more of a mystery to me which is more fitting
@emmanuelakande3563
@emmanuelakande3563 Ай бұрын
@@sound-l34ked45 yeah i personally would like to think starkk does have a second resuaction where he goes back to his og form but doesn’t use it as he would lose lillinete but that’s just headcannon
@jaynajuly2140
@jaynajuly2140 Ай бұрын
fans dismissing Starrk's status as the Primera Espada due to his "lackluster" looking abilities just plays, in a very meta way, into his aspect of death: solitude
@HEYMANFOODREVIEWS
@HEYMANFOODREVIEWS Ай бұрын
Literally the best bleach lore videos on YT! Great stuff Tommo (been here since 300 subs!)
@maxxkent4235
@maxxkent4235 Ай бұрын
I've always found fascinating is that aizen meet Barragan and Halibel when they were vasto lords while Stark was already a self made arrancar
@silent_soul7597
@silent_soul7597 Ай бұрын
7:37 you saying this made me realize how robbed we were from a ukitake bankai reveal
@M355J0K3R
@M355J0K3R Ай бұрын
Indeed. There's a sliver of hope if they decide to turn the Hell chapter into an actual arc.
@almasyelesbayev736
@almasyelesbayev736 Ай бұрын
Everyone: *training hard to become stronger, developing clever techniques to outsmart enemies and still can't win* Stark: I just want to have some friends *Everything dies in 100 miles radius*
@KarnomXV
@KarnomXV Ай бұрын
I feel like what could've made Starrk more of a threat (and Barragan too) to the reader is if Kubo made it so that when Starrk transformed, pretty much everyone on the battlefield had to focus on him and his army of wolves. Wolves that basically can't be cut down without some serious damage. It could then be a game of hide and seek. To where everyone has to run from the army of wolves while Shunsui and Ukitake try to take Starrk down.
@Nevervorago
@Nevervorago Ай бұрын
ye idk why no one bated an eye on the top 3 release but..hisagi releasing shikai...ohh boy everyone be like...its time!
@KarnomXV
@KarnomXV Ай бұрын
@Nevervorago right! Like there is a mist on the battlefield that can literally rot you to ash in seconds and you're only letting 3 people handle it? Barragan, on paper, is a problem that needs immediate attention. Could even make the excuse that Starrk didn't want to steal the spotlight. So he chills out until Barragan gets contained. Then, on top of "hide and seek," there's a team risking their lives by keeping wolves away from the seal that housed Barragan. Wonderweiss was a good trump card. But could've gave the top 3 espada better feats.
@oyamampendu9467
@oyamampendu9467 Ай бұрын
@@Nevervorago anime only man. the manga don't got that
@D-Havoc
@D-Havoc Ай бұрын
Because BLEACH isn't the Dragon Ball Super Tournament of Power arc... Also, a lot of characters were already deeply preoccupied with their own fights or recovering from their wounds.
@KarnomXV
@KarnomXV Ай бұрын
@D-Havoc True. I agree. But we're talking power scaling here. About how can Starrk SHOW he's the strongest? Explaining it is fine. Seeing ceros firing at a select few people is okay to an extent. An army of wolves looks badass. Us fans can understand the level of power here. Shunsui and Ukitake not using their bankais is completely fine, too cause eventually we know why. But how is it that Starrk owns the #1 over Barragan when we've just SEEN how scary Barragan truly can be if he's not contained. It isn't the T.O.P. But it's still a war. And having nuke-level characters on the field should mean people are gonna get hit in the crossfire in some way. Example: When Genryusai (may have misspelled) used his shikai at any point. Or (*SPOILER* if you havent seen or read it) when he used his bankai in TYBW. EVERYONE felt that shit. And some simply just moved further away to get clear. So even though he's doing a 1v1, we knew visually he's powerful.
@torn180
@torn180 Ай бұрын
One of the things I never see people bring up is that Stark was already an Arrancar before meeting Aizen. Any hollows that tried to pull off his mask, like they did with Grand Fisher, would have died. Every other Arrancar and Espada we see in a flashback meets Aizen as a hollow, but Aizen met Stark as an Arrancar without his mask. This implies that Stark broke the barrier and obtained hybrid powers without the Hogyoku. Except instead of putting his Resurreccion into a Zanpakto, he put it into Lilynette.
@michaelmorford3932
@michaelmorford3932 17 күн бұрын
Thanks for this channel for stoking my interest in rewatching Bleach. I appreciate all the work you've done in bringing attention to the series.
@allengrove1864
@allengrove1864 Ай бұрын
Metralleta is spanish meaning machine gun and is pronounced metrayeta
@BluahGhaa
@BluahGhaa Ай бұрын
No me digas ulio😮
@TheSymbiot3Venom
@TheSymbiot3Venom Ай бұрын
That’s my Primera !
@Sabkabaap6969
@Sabkabaap6969 Ай бұрын
People tend to forget yama was there he would have killed him easily if he won from kyoraku
@rias.gremoryyy
@rias.gremoryyy Ай бұрын
​@@Sabkabaap6969yama was always for aizen to fight
@eluclid
@eluclid Ай бұрын
Ulq still better
@certafan
@certafan Ай бұрын
I was standing on my pedestal with my friends preaching how, if anyone was close to an equal to Aizen it was Stark, and then we get this bombshell. Absolutely incredible. I call things time after time, and the comments call me crazy sometimes. But it is what is.
@_Sami_H
@_Sami_H Ай бұрын
Azian, not bothering with starrk before the end of the Soul Society Arc, is pretty much matching his character... He doesn't take fights he isnt sure about or that are too much of a pain in the ass , he is incredibly careful , He did the same in fake arc with Zaraki and Yammato, and you can also see that with Urahara when he says to azian " the old you would have never touched me twice without thinking about it 100s of times "
@thedragononi6665
@thedragononi6665 Ай бұрын
Stark could have probly also shot gran ray cero are Cero Oscuras as well from his gun
@cameronwashington53
@cameronwashington53 Ай бұрын
I’m surprised he didn’t
@genius3121
@genius3121 Ай бұрын
Spamming that would be crazy
@kamikazehound3243
@kamikazehound3243 Ай бұрын
Ive always believed that to be the case. He likely is a master of cero techniques etc.
@moloko912
@moloko912 Ай бұрын
Funny that none of 1,2 or 3 ever used the spéciale ceroes.
@richardstamm2144
@richardstamm2144 Ай бұрын
Mixing shots would have been a fun scene. Cutting off movement with cero, and sniping with an offhand Oscuras AP round. Maybe a Bala shotgun as well, chain blasting a massive simultaneous spread at near ftl, the only visual effect being a visual distortion and unmitigated destruction at the destination
@thewarrior8497
@thewarrior8497 Ай бұрын
Im glad fans still care abt Starrk enough to ask Kubo questions like this, thats why hes the goat and proof that he was deserving of number 1. Now someone just needs to ask kubo if Aizen truly did know abt SE Ulquiorra/Where SE Ulquiorra ranks among the other espada. Like does he surpass Harribel? Abive Barragan now? Otherwise the debate will go on forever lmao
@Nevervorago
@Nevervorago Ай бұрын
not gona argue for stark or baragan..but harribel was weak..and kinda a letdown...i wish she was stronger and had more abilitys. she was the only current female espada and deserved better....it din't help that aizen got so bored he desided to try to finish her off himself...mind you she survived and was the only espada beside grimjow to live on....maybe we will see her on shark tank XD
@genius3121
@genius3121 Ай бұрын
Harribel is actually quite strong she fought toshiro was basically destroying him and then when she was seemingly defeated she came back without even a single injury then she fights two visords plus toshiro again not being hurt. Aizen decided to finish her off because he no longer had any use for her the espada had served their purpose
@GinKaza
@GinKaza Ай бұрын
@@genius3121 This. She gets downplayed but she fought 3 captain class shinigami (with 2 of them being Visored and one of them being an actual Captain) simultaneously. Also unlike with Espada 1 and 2, without Aizen team killing her, she seemingly would have fought against those 3 likely until her victory. After his substitution jutsu, Toshiro used his "other" ace in the hole, and as you said she got out completely unscathed (I also dont believe wonderweiss's voice has the power to shatter ice, so imo this is her feat) and Toshiro said himself he was pretty much out of energy and options, and it seemed they couldnt land a definitive blow on her. Her battle vs Lisa and Hiyori is mostly off-screen though, unlike Stark and Barragan's battles against their opposing captain class enemies being on-screen for longer periods
@thelastgalvanizer
@thelastgalvanizer Ай бұрын
@@GinKaza Nobody is downplaying her, it's just that her display is really not that impressive. Lisa and Hiyori (and all visored except Shinji, to be honest) are featless and have 0 meaningful wins among them throughout the entire series. Based on Ichigo vs Ulquiorra fight, Harribel should've been able to curbstomp Hitsugaya no problem, because there is absolutely no way Toshiro is stronger than Ichigo at that point... but she kinda struggled instead.
@mikeparradise9333
@mikeparradise9333 Ай бұрын
@@thelastgalvanizer Exactly this, Soul Society Ichigo fought against a cap that defeated 2 captns, then defeated the Byakuya who is absolutely above Toshiro, all this without even mastering his hollow powers. Ulquiorra destroyed that with no issue, even in his 1st form. Harribel vs Hitsugaya just doesnt make much sense, even with this new info I doubt that it changes the fact that Yammy is stronger than Starrk and Ulquiorra is probably stronger than both.
@ZomeHamrmonia
@ZomeHamrmonia Ай бұрын
I think vasto lord starkk would constantly divide his soul killing everyone around him and his soul pieces would eat hollows then fuse back to him making him that strong
@Trav-m1m
@Trav-m1m Ай бұрын
I'm zero seconds into this. WHAT!??? I never knew I wanted this video so badly!!! Lol
@D-Havoc
@D-Havoc Ай бұрын
Starrks perception and ranking being contested isn't a BLEACH issue. It's a readers issue and inability to pick up on aomethjng BLEACH can do well, quiet expressions of strength. They can only grasp a character is strong if they do a giant "fuck all" beam or has lovecraftian cosmic horror abilities. You know, face value things. Very little room for nuiance at assessing characters in BLEACH from the fandom. I always appreciate Kubo giving clarity because sometimes the powers are too abstract or is better conveyed through animation, but I'm never gonna pretend or default to there being no thought put into his own work.
@Man0War_Loki
@Man0War_Loki Ай бұрын
Dude was lackluster all the way until death. How the fuck would we the readers be like, 'oh yea, this dude is the most powerful' after that? Ulquiorra on the other hand, killed Ichigo twice and would've done it a third time if he had more time.
@PDro11
@PDro11 Ай бұрын
​@Man0War_Loki Not the readers story, just theirs to either enjoy or not. The writer created Stark to be the tops spot and apart from the rish job, it's pretty well implied by his performance he was deserving of it. More importantly, citing Ulquiorras performance against a character who BARELY fucking beat 6th espada and almost got iced by the next level up is NOT helping your case. Any captain level fighter with experience could mop Ichigo at that point in the story. Facts backed by how easily Hiyori could toss him around until his hollow appeared. Prior to Ichigo, whom exactly did Ulquiorra square off against to showcase how much of threat he was? Which captains did he beat or kill? Readers barely even no how to acknowledge context. As the OP said, most compare explosions and determine who is more powerful, the rest is lost on them. But Stark fights 4 captain level fighters without breaking a sweat or going all out and "nah, he was weak and lackluster". If you're go debate at least don't rely on the Ulquiorra vs. Ichigo for your basis. This is probably the worst case you can use.
@pencilbender
@pencilbender Ай бұрын
I feel like Aizen might think of Stark as an actual friend. They are both lonely, mainly due to their immense power
@mereal5331
@mereal5331 Ай бұрын
If I'm not wrong Aizen started acting and killing Hallibel after Stark was killed
@haveagoodday105
@haveagoodday105 Ай бұрын
Amazing analysis, this answer definetly brings a different perspective to the stark and barragan video you made
@wolfgod6443
@wolfgod6443 Ай бұрын
Although there's a lot I like about what the anime added to the espada, I definitely think Starkk got the short end of the deal. The idea that Starkk's wolves could be permanently lost, to the point he couldn't even hear Lilinette anymore, severely nerfed Starkk in the eyes of many, myself included. It seems from all other sources that his energy is effectively infinite, like an android in Dragon Ball or something, and that would certainly be worthy of the primera position, but in the anime's telling the impression is that Starkk takes a major risk splitting his soul for frankly little gain when it ultimately only causes some bruises on his foes. There is a significant difference between "he fires a lot of cero and can make a lot of exploding wolves", versus "he can fire cero and split his soul and *never* stop".
@jpcsdutra
@jpcsdutra Ай бұрын
It really does change a lot about the character. The anime gives the impression that Lillinette is extremely concerned about losing, and that Starrk can actually kill one of his personalities with the attack. The manga reads as him being calm and collected the whole time, and the only interjecting Lillinette does is his internal monologue of "Aren't you pissed that Barragan died?" - "Kinda, but it is what it is".
@xTheeLancelotx
@xTheeLancelotx Ай бұрын
I love listening to MrTommo. I tend to just listen to his videos altogether. He’s the nerd of the rings of bleach.
@yangchen7982
@yangchen7982 Ай бұрын
I wish stark was still around instead of some of Grimmjow
@rirukki
@rirukki Ай бұрын
bruh, "some" Grimmjow? Get the fuck outta here
@arielalvarado2842
@arielalvarado2842 Ай бұрын
YES! I’ve been dying to hear you cover it
@gonhunter3994
@gonhunter3994 Ай бұрын
I don't think Aizen feared anyone, he just knew not to mess with certain individuals, lest he'd die without attaining his goal
@cameronwashington53
@cameronwashington53 Ай бұрын
I feel like Aizen may or may not still have been stronger than his original form. But aside from that, he has just always been a cool calm and collective type even when facing an opponent weaker than him
@Caidezes
@Caidezes Ай бұрын
He definitey feared going up against Yamamoto without a trick up his sleeve. For Starrk, it was probably concern that the hollow wouldn't go along with him, since he's not easy to manipulate.
@cameronwashington53
@cameronwashington53 Ай бұрын
@@Caidezes Well being cautious doesn’t necessarily automatically equal to fear.
@ulquiorracifer__
@ulquiorracifer__ Ай бұрын
I agree me and my brother always said lord aizen preferred to fight /not fight certain people but he didn’t fear anyone not even yamma he just knew he couldn’t beat him hand to hand so he created wonderwiess but notice there is no fear in aizens soul
@praz7
@praz7 Ай бұрын
You're correct. Whoever says Aizen feared doesn't understand his character at all. The entire character of Aizen relies on him lacking two qualities, fear and despair. Aizen wouldn't be Aizen if he had any fear or despair.
@TooTallTom94
@TooTallTom94 Ай бұрын
I still don't fully understand how lillynette was unalived. Like why did Bushogoma stop her/them but Rose's Izayoi Bara didn't? If Stark could divide near infinitely, why did Bushogoma work on the wolves?
@patrickcollins111
@patrickcollins111 Ай бұрын
Plot lol
@ChromaticEagle
@ChromaticEagle Ай бұрын
Manga volume sketches show her dying with him
@nahte123456
@nahte123456 Ай бұрын
It was just bad anime filler. Didn't happen in the manga and directly contradicts Starrk saying the wolves are BOTH Starrk and Lilinette, that it's the Primera's power to do so.
@Vyhox2000
@Vyhox2000 Ай бұрын
Starrk was always my favorite Espada. I wish he could've been in more of the series
@viniciusnogueira6325
@viniciusnogueira6325 Ай бұрын
What I believe is possibly Stark's story is that he was alone, every time his bare reiatsu killed other hollows. With the urge to not be alone again, almost instinctively he ran to the biggest concentration of hollows that he could find, with the hope that this way, his reiatsu could be suppressed, and he could reunite with his kin (maybe the amount of hollows is justified by a very powerful vasto that used to lead them). But when he gathered with the hollows the same thing happened and all of them laid dead because of his immense power. Crying in despair, seeing his last hope dead on piles of bodies, Stark's soul divided itself in two, being able to not being alone anymore.
@tregnirit1278
@tregnirit1278 Ай бұрын
i dont think they lost too much power after spliting. Just bc when aizen appears starrk sad "you seem like you could be around US without getting killed" whitch leads me to think that normal hollows still did die after they splitt. but i could be wrong and after splitting there were not much time for that before aizen arrived.
@Dothomir777
@Dothomir777 Ай бұрын
Always gotta give a Like to a vid of you talking about Stark, keep it up brother
@DuBstep115
@DuBstep115 Ай бұрын
Giving Kubo answers again, stop giving kubo choose one questions and let hims answer himself
@felipesantos-er4kk
@felipesantos-er4kk Ай бұрын
🤦‍♂️
@dydy972x4
@dydy972x4 Ай бұрын
Fr they just believe whatever he says like everything was planned
@kurosaki987
@kurosaki987 Ай бұрын
If neither were the right answer then he would've just said so. I find it weird that whenever something is confirmed by an author that isn't directly stated in the series people will challenge it as if the rest of the evidence for their claim dont come from the same person.
@doublea4012
@doublea4012 Ай бұрын
This exactly!!!, It just feels like they're giving him an exit based on the choices they like/want
@dejavudeux
@dejavudeux Ай бұрын
@@doublea4012 And bleach fans like to pretend that the author had planned everything from the start. Yeah Kubo made a lot of mistakes, like why doesn't Yamamoto have 1v1 aizen regularly with his bankai? Why doesn't Shunsui have 1v1 aizen with his bankai? Why doesn't Kisuke have 1v1 aizen with his bankai? Why didn't Kisuke literally help the captains heal and beat aizen? 1 Yamamoto: Yamamoto's flames are of such magnitude that they could engulf entire battlefields, regardless of Aizen's sensory illusions. As an AOE attack, Ryūjin Jakka could overwhelm Aizen, even under the effect of his Shikai Kyoka Suigetsu, because Yamamoto wouldn't need to aim precisely to reach him. And let's not even talk about his Bankai. 2 Shunsui: While Aizen uses Kyoka Suigetsu to manipulate sensory perceptions, Shunsui's Bankai doesn't rely on vision or the senses to be effective. He directly affects his environment, and the rules of tragedy he imposes are unavoidable as long as you're within his Bankai's area of effect. This means that Aizen would always be affected by the different phases of Bankai, regardless of his illusions. 3 Kisuké: Kisuke's Bankai, Kannonbiraki Benihime Aratame, is incredibly powerful and could reshape matter itself, including bodies. This means that he could effectively counter almost any damage or alteration he or others would suffer in combat. He has the ability to restore or modify his own body, and his techniques could probably have put Aizen in great difficulty, especially before the fusion with the Hogyoku. If Kisuke, with his Bankai Kannonbiraki Benihime Aratame, completely remodels the physical structure of the eyes, changing the position of the atoms or altering the physical components of the eyes (or even the brain that processes sight), there's a good chance that these eyes will no longer be the same as those Aizen initially “hypnotized” with his Shikai.
@CatgirlJesus
@CatgirlJesus Ай бұрын
I think complete history on each realm would do the main series a lot of justice since we're lacking a lot of world building. If Kubo is ever interested in writing Spin-offs/letting other people he trusts write Spin-offs, I hope we get in depth lore to Hueco Mundo and the Hollow lifespan as well as some sprinkles of fan service with seeing all the Espada in their Vasto Lorde forms. A good little 12-24 episode series showing off Aizen's journey in recruiting all the Espada would be awesome.
@raestlinx
@raestlinx Ай бұрын
Stark may have also been the worst match up for Aizen. His soul splitting may have essentially negated Aizen's hypnosis entirely. I saw your release but these 100 exploding wolves haven't.
@IntelligentDayyib
@IntelligentDayyib Ай бұрын
Wow that actually makes sense
@D-Havoc
@D-Havoc Ай бұрын
That's not how Kyoka Suigetsu works... People keep treating it as illusion-based powers because of online, unofficial databases categorize it as such. It's a complete hypnosis. Starrk has no better match up against it than Barragan or Yamamoto.
@zenbright9213
@zenbright9213 Ай бұрын
I literally cried when Stark Died. It was sad. He didnt want to fight, he didnt want to be lonely.
@nemowindsor8724
@nemowindsor8724 Ай бұрын
I totally believe Starrk is more powerful. I like his character very much. But he was utilized and showcased terribly, and his powers...were unimaginative and unevocative, especially given his compelling backstory. Barragan was styled like a stereotypical Lich, and he was taken down by a character that most fans of the series wouldn't look twice at - Hachi. And yet that story and that fight were legendary. Hachi and Soi Fon were an unlikely but dynamic pair, the way Hachi and her defeated Barragan took ingenuity and the use of an understandable mechanic, and it all just worked. Meanwhile Starrk's and Lilynette's fight was hard to follow and ended anticlimatically, and was just dull. So of course Barragan is remembered more fondly, and Starrk remembered with reproach and disappointment.
@Rustyvoil27
@Rustyvoil27 Ай бұрын
Yeah starrk fight is dissapointing. He shouldve done better than that. Hope we could see him in another squel
@marioprendi8312
@marioprendi8312 Ай бұрын
Starrk was always my favorite Espada, I've had this pfp since 2014 :)
@vaderothormbiten
@vaderothormbiten Ай бұрын
Here is a curious thought. With Starrks ability to split his soul, can we ever be sure that the form before Starrk is OG Starrk and not a previous split? How many times could he of split before. . . That would be terrifying
@gmradio2436
@gmradio2436 Ай бұрын
There are context clues that imply it is the first and only time Staark did that specific type of split. If he did it before, there would be more of his assistants.
@masamune2984
@masamune2984 23 күн бұрын
Love the realization that Aizen had a wariness/soft spot for Starkk, because as another being “born” so strong even his Rieatsu could kill and this felt lonely….he understood him.
@cursedshadow
@cursedshadow Ай бұрын
Starkk: " we were too strong and split between bodies...😢" Zaraki: "First time?"
@Gam1ngSyzygy
@Gam1ngSyzygy Ай бұрын
Stark only seemed weak because he was fighting kyoraku, bad match up
@usamatexas
@usamatexas Ай бұрын
Really interesting perspective on the Aizen Stark flashback, that’s really interesting
@christopherg2347
@christopherg2347 Ай бұрын
Barragan honestly appeared weak to me. Sure, Respira is scary. But what did he actually achieve? He took Soifons arm. He failed to kill Omadea, like it was Tom and Jerry. He broke some Kido. He ate Soifons Bankai. Twice. He gave Hachi the tool to defeat him. Stark _barely_ lost a 3v1, taking out 2 captains. Barragan didn't even take out a vice captain. Whose name was Omaeda. Ichigo one-punched Omaeda!
@frikanetwork
@frikanetwork Ай бұрын
Add he battled plot Armour....most couldn't get past that
@chawilsonse
@chawilsonse Ай бұрын
The ability of unpredictability is broken! Great vid!
@redzoro92
@redzoro92 Ай бұрын
Anything Kubo says at this point is just hollow (pun intended). If Kubo really wants to live up to his words then he would need to somehow revive Stark & give him his due place as Primera. Really though, Kubo should’ve made the top 3 Espadas have 2nd Resurrecion. It’s honestly ridiculous that Ulquorria was the only one to have it. And in doing so all 3 came off looking way weaker than him, especially when the other’s abilities are so simple & lackluster in comparison.
@michaliskyriakou7463
@michaliskyriakou7463 Ай бұрын
It suits Ulquiorra to have it, maybe Halibel too, but I can see Baragan be too prideful to develop another resurrection form and Starkk just wouldn't bother.
@neroorion2759
@neroorion2759 Ай бұрын
At least Starrk could have one besides Ulquiorra, being a Werewolve and Ulquiorra being a Vampire.
@D-Havoc
@D-Havoc Ай бұрын
In other words, Kubo needs to validate fan theories and expectations instead of fans putting thought into the answers he gives and referring to his material with a new perspective from his answers. Gotcha.
@gmradio2436
@gmradio2436 Ай бұрын
Death of the author. This is called Death of the author.
@IcyBlaze616
@IcyBlaze616 Ай бұрын
@@gmradio2436 This is called pretentious weebs thinking they know more than the author because they're Barragan or Ulquiorra simps.
@tjm11015
@tjm11015 Ай бұрын
18:00 I think what the questioner was saying by "waited for everything to settle down" was just waiting until he had consolidated his power, and was closer to becoming a more transcendent being by the hōgyoku.
@rmaxime92
@rmaxime92 Ай бұрын
We all know stark is the strongest. Someone needs to tell the Ulquiorra fans, because they are wild. Saying he is the strongest
@B0x_T00l
@B0x_T00l Ай бұрын
Hope they both come back in the Hell arc
@livingashtree1942
@livingashtree1942 Ай бұрын
"Out of all Espada only i have achieved a second stage release. I haven't let Lord Aizen see me in this state yet" Don't wanna be that guy but i think that statement alone makes it pretty enough clear who truly the strongest Hollow was. Even by the simple fact he was chosen as the main villian for Ichigo to unleash his Vasto Lorde form against already should speak as a confirmation. Also him being the only Hollow in the series to have found his "soul/heart" again all should tell us that he was the "main Hollow villian" Come on, I mean dude was literally named after Lucifer lol Which other Espada we know or heard about had a second release??... Ofcourse he was the strongest.
@rmaxime92
@rmaxime92 Ай бұрын
@@livingashtree1942 bro what are you talking about. Ulquiorra was created for the soul purpose of bringing Ichigo to his limit. Ichigo Vasto Lorde form washed ulquiorra in his 2nd release. He even said there are 3 Espada above him. Yall really gunna play like Aizen didn’t know about Ulquiorra 2nd release. Barragan was literally the king oh HM, he literally was the strongest hollow, yet Aizen put him at 2. Because stark is the strongest & has ultimate power. He just was lazy & didn’t get enough screen time
@livingashtree1942
@livingashtree1942 Ай бұрын
@@rmaxime92 "Yall really gunna play like Aizen didn't know about Ulquiorra second release" -- You got any proof? Listen my guy, there's a reason why the writer explicitly made Ulquiorra state "not even Lord Aizen has seen this state yet" while him being ranked as number 4. It's not rocket science. It was supposed to put Ichigo who was already being outmatched in a situation of TOTAL despair by realizing he's facing a opponent of a level of power he couldn't even begin to fathom, making the main character idealistically fold and resort to the bottom of this abysmal power he has inside of himself ALL in order to save his friends and obtain victory-- masterful writing👌 There are only two possible explanations: 1) Either Aizen truly didn't know about Ulquiorra's second release as Ulquiorra himself explicitly stated and by so he revealed himself to actually being the strongest Espada 2) Aizen already knowing about the second release and him letting Ulquiorra purposely stay behind in Hueco Mundo for that exact reason knowing that only he could push Ichigo(his test subject) to his absolute limit before finally facing him himself. Hallibel, Barragan and Stark were the "strongest" Hollow on a surface level but as Ulquiorra himself revealed and stated "not even Lord Aizen has seen this state yet" making it clear that on a deeper level he's actually the strongest. it's not rocket science bro, follow the plot... By your logic Yammy is technically the strongest Hollow which we ALL know to not being true. Lol Again i ask, what other Espada have we been shown or heard about to having a Second Release?? If Stark and Barragan or Yammy etc truly were the "strongest" trust me, it wouldve been made VERY clear they are by making them also possess a second release one that would outshine Ulquiorra's. The fact is simple, Ulquiorra with that statement and transformation alone COMPLETELTY outshined his competitors(being the Espada) as being the STRONGEST.
@sifisonxumalo7032
@sifisonxumalo7032 Ай бұрын
I didn't know he could split his soul endlessly! That changes everything!
@noelahg79
@noelahg79 Ай бұрын
Starrk should have been amazing. EVERYONE can identify with loneliness. Kubo dropped the ball on him more than any other character. Shunsui shouldn't have been able to kill Starrk. At all. Not without his bankai. Yes, I'm salty about it.
@D-Havoc
@D-Havoc Ай бұрын
Kubo didn't drop the ball... Tired of people blaming Kubo because they're used to Dragon Ball power level gloating on the battlefield. People dropped the ball at reading and understanding BLEACH and its characters.
@bryce2588
@bryce2588 Ай бұрын
@@D-Havocoh please we know that his and 3rd's death were lame af
@undary0u
@undary0u Ай бұрын
@bryce2588 He died against the future captain commander. No, he didn't drop the ball. Stark just isn't that strong. Let it go. Shunsui was able to fight a buffed-up SS member with just shikai. Stark got killed by one of the strongest shinigami at the time, the same shinigami who can fight almost evenly with Yamamoto, someone who towers over Stark in power. Just because you all can't read doesn't mean Kubo fumbled with Stark.
@undary0u
@undary0u Ай бұрын
@@bryce2588 .
@undary0u
@undary0u Ай бұрын
@@bryce2588 Also thematically as in if you actually read the show Stark has one of the best Deaths in bleach by far
@reeheehee9615
@reeheehee9615 Ай бұрын
The thing I love about the battle against Shunsui was they were both playing the long game, constantly testing who is holding back the most. It was a huge mind game until Starrk had to get serious, Shunsui really is a sneaky menace. The colour game takedown to this day *chefs kiss*.
@Grayson-Winchester
@Grayson-Winchester Ай бұрын
I‘m glad this Starrk vs Barragan debate is over. Even though it’s still a shame that Starrk had so little presence in the main story. As he is the most unlikely to return in the hell arc.
@0eyes
@0eyes Ай бұрын
He should have been purified by Shunsui. There’s not much reason to believe Starrk was an evil human or human at all.
@DuBstep115
@DuBstep115 Ай бұрын
Its not over, Starkk is getting clapped by anime wonderweiss left and right
@QGUU
@QGUU Ай бұрын
@@DuBstep115Yada yada
@fenrirsilver6441
@fenrirsilver6441 Ай бұрын
@@0eyesIf you don’t remember, so long as the spiritual pressure is high enough, they will always go to Hell when they die. That “high enough” is captain grade or higher, so he should technically be in Hell, it’s just a question of if we see him in the case that the Hell arc comes.
@jordantinucci3509
@jordantinucci3509 Ай бұрын
​@@DuBstep115No he's not
@icyice1902
@icyice1902 Ай бұрын
Finally Kubo has given us Starrk content!
@adampearson8103
@adampearson8103 Ай бұрын
I feel like Aizen respected and felt a sort of connection with Starrk, maybe even as close as Aizen can get to genuinely liking someone. They're both individuals who were alone due to their sheer strength, they just dealt with it differently. Aizen developed a superiority complex and Starrk basically made another person who could survive his presence. It's definitely worth remembering that Aizen only turned on Harribel and declared the Espada failures after Starrk died, not after Barragan did.
@an2wei
@an2wei Ай бұрын
This is a big part of why I'm so hyped for hell arc.... Imagine finally seeing the Primera Espada going all out?
@craylik5589
@craylik5589 Ай бұрын
Baraggan: Oh, you're a villain alright, just not a super one! Starrk: I don't wanna be a- Baraggan: PRESENTATION!!! 'My Name is Murder' by Brendon Small starts sounding in the background.
@Tom531Cat
@Tom531Cat Ай бұрын
Yea, I think that’s exactly how that conversation went. 😂
@ActualSinfulKing
@ActualSinfulKing Ай бұрын
I love the love for Stark. I think Aizen had seen something special in him from the beginning. I think he had high hopes, and was actually upset he was defeated. I mean he did not interfere until Stark was defeated.
@blackAngelProductions
@blackAngelProductions Ай бұрын
As much as I love starrk & I find this answer to be quite fascinating I do think some fans are kind of jumping the shark a little bit and saying things like starrk is more powerful than Aizen.
@dunebuggy1292
@dunebuggy1292 Ай бұрын
Of course they are. This fanbase has been making excuses for Starrk from the very beginning. Either unable to accept that he actually isn't the strongest Espada (Yammy), or not the most important (Ulquiorra meant to face "Vasto Lorde" Ichigo).
@jordantinucci3509
@jordantinucci3509 Ай бұрын
​@@dunebuggy1292yammy is not the strongest espada, hes weaker than most of them and is unironically weaker than zomari. Feats go against him being the strongest.
@doncinati7644
@doncinati7644 Ай бұрын
Exactly. While Aizen comfortably low diffs the espada, he probably mid diffs Stark. But the only thing i like about Kubo’s answer is that it cements that Stark was hella OP, definitely was Primera
@blackAngelProductions
@blackAngelProductions Ай бұрын
@@doncinati7644 well remember aizen also said that he never expected that the power of all the spotted would be inferior to his own. How I interpreted this is Stark was powerful enough to wear like you said you wouldn't be able to just effortlessly defeat Stark it would have required a little bit extra effort but the results would ultimately be the same. Because we know up until Ichigo comes into the picture he low difficulties pretty much everybody
@doncinati7644
@doncinati7644 Ай бұрын
@@blackAngelProductions exactly man. Exactly. Starrk is him fr
@carnelltarver7769
@carnelltarver7769 Ай бұрын
Excellent analysis!
@arg_9584
@arg_9584 Ай бұрын
It was stated in KlubOutside
@DuBstep115
@DuBstep115 Ай бұрын
Aizen having difficulties dealing with starkk is biggest kluboutside bs I have ever heard
@montesoul
@montesoul Ай бұрын
​@@DuBstep115 to be fair it isn't Stark. It's the original arrancar he was prior to becoming Stark.
@mattryan7124
@mattryan7124 Ай бұрын
Should it be KlUBOutside?
@D-Havoc
@D-Havoc Ай бұрын
​@DuBstep115 People make up false things and say they were "stated" in KlubOutside or the novels without any context. It was never stated that Aizen had difficulty controlling Starrk. That's fandon theories.
@IcyBlaze616
@IcyBlaze616 Ай бұрын
@@DuBstep115 thinking you know better than the author of the manga himself is wild.
@spartanonymous113
@spartanonymous113 Ай бұрын
It's nice to have Kubo confirm my suspicions. I've always thought Starrk stronger than the others due to the soul splitting and that the only other one we've seen do it is Zaraki. But to finally have my little head theories told "you were on the right track" and have my favorite Espada gain recognition again is wonderful
@thefanwithoutaface8105
@thefanwithoutaface8105 Ай бұрын
This detail really feels kind of like a waste frankly. Even if this is true, what difference does it make. Starrk is dead and even when he and Lilinette united still didn't reveal the power that Kubo is claiming they used to have. Unless he's planning to either reveal Starrk is still alive or he will return in the Hell Arc with all his power restored, this feels like Too Little Too Late. Really they should've had Starrk show this power in the Fake Karakura Town Arc, likely with him also having a Segunda Etapa where his power becomes such that he truly lives up to his reputation.
@D-Havoc
@D-Havoc Ай бұрын
What power is Kubo "claiming" Starrk to have that you can't refer back to the spurce material or databooks for?
@BerryStraw15
@BerryStraw15 Ай бұрын
Kubo should start giving more info about Gremmy and his power scaling. I think he just loves to dodge and ignore power scaling questions and loves seeing the world burn.
@RyanVonAegir
@RyanVonAegir Ай бұрын
Honesty, Starrk should have neen given the chance to go all out and make everyone in the battlefield a target. Let him make it rain Ceros as everyone of the Soul Reapers have to dodge or team up to survive it. Maybe only if Barragan and Harribel are down for drama, but make it where he is able to threaten everyone present by simply flexing.
@fan4rmmars239
@fan4rmmars239 Ай бұрын
Let me ask this, so him using an attack that destroys his soul is not going all out?
@D-Havoc
@D-Havoc Ай бұрын
He did go all-out. It only doesn't seem that way because people ironically are downplaying Shunsui at the same time and not thinking Shunsui was simply that strong. And they don't think Shunsui was that strong because he didn't use Bankai. Bankai is a trump card, as Shunsui puts it. It's not a super saiyan transformation. It's not always a slam dunk win or even viable in every situation to use, and Shunsui's Bankai isn't bestowing him any enhanced combat prowess like speed or power either.
@balanceofjudgement4282
@balanceofjudgement4282 Ай бұрын
An interesting discussion brought forth in the video. Some really good and thought out points. I believe Stark as a character played an archetype that is sometimes seen in media and almost always has the same traits; the hermit. Such a character is usually absurdly powerful, but lonely -- emphasizing the strength gained from solitude, just as it can happen in real life after enduring hardships with nobody to lean on. I believe he is hard to read because these people, after suffering become distant and un-phased by many issues which would plague a 'normal' person. As mentioned above this concept is not new to media, and I will give 3 very different examples that I think of whenever Stark comes to mind: Kidred from the League of Legends game -- Basically the sentient personification of Death in that universe, it is also plagued by loneliness and because of its immense power over life, all creatures want to stay away. Thus, Death ends up splitting himself in two, just like Stark, so that he might have a friend. Another example is the dragon dubbed 'The Cannibal' from the Game of Thrones series -- and this references Aizen's hesitation to deal with Stark until he had all of Hueco Mundo under his thrall. In the books, the Cannibal is believed to be this immense, monstrous dragon which rivals Balerion the Black in strength, yet, despite needing said strength, nobody dares search for it or tame it in times of turmoil because they are more afraid of its power. Once more bringing into point the idea that this archetype is usually by itself and feared. In the movie Rambo 4, the traits I mentioned above are once more clearly emphasized -- loneliness , power, experience. In said movie the archetype is used on the side of 'good', as he is enlisted to escort the main group through dangerous territory, giving him ample opportunities to display his strength, despite being surrounded by dangerous characters in their own right. All in all, this archetype is always fascinating and mysterious because a good writer will have them see the world in a different way than the 'heroes' or 'enemies', depending on what faction they are a part of. Case an point, amongst the Espada, who are all bloodthirsty to some extent, Stark is a very chill guy who actually doesn't want to fight. Their mystery comes from said view-point, which see them switching sides, morally questioning the opposing team in a way not encountered before or keeping the audience in suspense with what they will do next. To conclude, I agree fully with what you said in the beginning of the video regarding Kubo's missed opportunity to actually present Start as the most threatening thing on the battlefield in that arc. The two Visored captains should have died to emphasize his power, as well as Kyoraku and Shunsui (or at least one of them) being forced into bankai during their fight. In many ways, it felt rushed, and ultimately its strange that out of all the characters that could be saved, Kubo chose to kill Stark off, instead of having him return on the side of good as with some of the Espada in the TYBW. Great video, again. Keep up the good work o/
@Swagkia_Kuchiki
@Swagkia_Kuchiki Ай бұрын
Aizen probably approached Starrk differently because he saw Starrk as a very relatable being. Both of them have no equals in terms of strength and were alone. Though this just opens more questions than answers lol. So was Starrk an ancient hollow like Barragan given his strength? Starrk doesn't look that old. Barragan could easily have been the most powerful but he seemed to have gotten relaxed and arrogant in his pursuit.
@jpcsdutra
@jpcsdutra Ай бұрын
tbqh, Shinigamis already had incredibly delayed aging and we never had confirmation that hollows themselves aged. As far as we know they just look like they used to look when they were alive forever. And then there's the whole entire thing that Gillians actually become new beings with a brand new personality after they consume so many souls, and we don't know exactly how that one new face or personality is born..
@lolsnez7542
@lolsnez7542 Ай бұрын
Ichihime is better
@Magnamaster
@Magnamaster Ай бұрын
I forgot about you yay your back
@patrickzantomaster
@patrickzantomaster Ай бұрын
Aizen being wary of Starrk just means he‘s high tier Captain level. He‘s on the same tier of power like Unohana, Kyoraku and Ukitake. Strong enough to be kept at arms length.
@AdultSupervision.
@AdultSupervision. Ай бұрын
Proto Stark must have been extremely potent and intoxicating. It literally was very strong and probably very likeable, perhaps too irresistible…. I get the sense that individual had many friends that they hoped would be able to continue their journey but only for a short time…
@austinharris7653
@austinharris7653 Ай бұрын
there are so many parallels in bleach. mayuri and nemu. stark and lillinette and kenpachi and yachiru. each time the full potential is reached the female counterpart is destroyed. just like the lieutenants and bambiettas getting bodied by ichigo. it is repetitive
@Gnadeeer
@Gnadeeer Ай бұрын
I think an Arrancar power ranking video would be cool to make now Tommo.
@shoken4421
@shoken4421 Ай бұрын
I honestly don't see Aizen being scared if starrk with how much plotting and planning this man did since the soul society was basically started, I mean he fooled the entire 13 court squad and even Yamamoto, like Noone knew the depths of this man's plans, you can't show Aizen doing all this plotting having him make barragon bow to him and have aizen lead the espadas then take out Yamamotos zanpakto then yrs later go :oh aizen feared starrk.. huh?! Nah fam Kubo is tripping.
@silanoo
@silanoo Ай бұрын
I know right? He was strong but not that strong to fear Aizen
@nahte123456
@nahte123456 Ай бұрын
Oh no, random person claiming the author doesn't know his own story because they said so...very convincing.
@silanoo
@silanoo Ай бұрын
@@nahte123456 ye like RIP Akira Toriyama one time jiren is the strongest and another time Broly and aster week no wait Black friza but he still dont have any chance vs Beerus (70% of ssj god)xD
@IcyBlaze616
@IcyBlaze616 Ай бұрын
nah Barragan simps are tripping. The Q&A didn't say he was scared of Stark, but he was apprehensive about approaching him until he subjugated the Hogyoku. Which just means he's a potential problem, which is true.
@Lily_Selverne
@Lily_Selverne Ай бұрын
When Shunsui quizes Starrk on whenther his guns can fire something other than Ceros it's not necessarily because he really believed he was lying, he playing one of his Shikai games "Yubikiri". If Starrk had lied then his fingers would've been immobilized, making it impossible for him to fire his guns. "If either of them lied to each other, first, the liar’s fingers would stop moving. At the second lie, all the bones in the liar’s body would become incapacitated as though a fist had crushed them, and at the third lie, the liar would be assaulted with an intense pain as though their entrails were being pierced by needles from the inside out."
@SunlightGwyn
@SunlightGwyn Ай бұрын
16:30 I think Aizen was just changing his approach to best fit the Hollow he wanted to recruit. Aizen wasn’t scared of Stark. He even recruited him alone instead of bringing Gin and Kaname. Aizen is a master manipulator and will do what is necessary to get someone on his side.
@felipesantos-er4kk
@felipesantos-er4kk Ай бұрын
So wrong 😂😂😂
@davidCcode
@davidCcode Ай бұрын
Did you listen to the rest of the video?
@LindaButler-ru9uy
@LindaButler-ru9uy Ай бұрын
How is it wrong? I agree with this. Aizen is on a massive massive level, way above the espada, he himself said he thought the Vasto lordes would have a similar level of power to his own but they didn't. Aizen also showed up and saved halibel and her fraccion showing up in a completely different way to recruit halibel. Tommo is a good youtuber but come on man, Aizen is way above all espada and Vasto lordes, Kubo made him this way for a reason.​@@felipesantos-er4kk
@h3ro-8
@h3ro-8 Ай бұрын
Man Starrk is my favorite Espada. Kubo did a good job. I can now rest easy knowing he was completely dope all the way to the end
@CaptainKotetsu
@CaptainKotetsu Ай бұрын
Aizen feared it. Too bad we never got to see it.
@rohanmanuel1815
@rohanmanuel1815 Ай бұрын
Well there is the arc that must not be named
@fangsilver1977
@fangsilver1977 Ай бұрын
@@rohanmanuel1815 The Hell arc?
@MrJasonStrohl
@MrJasonStrohl Ай бұрын
Aizen knew how to manipulate Stark. That's why he came to him by himself. To help reinforce in Stark's mind the thought that this person understands me. What better way to approach a loner than alone.
@toot1862
@toot1862 Ай бұрын
Bruh, so Kubo said 'Stark is hard to read'. How in the world does one translater that to, Aizen is afraid of him or he is comfirmed stronger than Ulqiorra or Barragan? The comment section felt like "YAaa, Kubo finally confirmed Stark is The Strongest!!" I was like really?? Had to watch the whole ass video for that.Wtf!!😂
@rbo7
@rbo7 Ай бұрын
You skipped the "it's 2" part. but ok.
@toot1862
@toot1862 Ай бұрын
@@rbo7 Ya about that. I went ahead and checked the answer itself. There's nothing in it that says Stark was stronger than Ulqiorra or Barragan. But even if one considers Aizen did not approach Stark until he thought it was the right time, then, Aizen also did not dare to fight Barragan before making sure that he showed barragan his Shikai release and put him under complete hypnosis, and Ulqiorra might not have had a 2nd release pre hogyoku.
@rbo7
@rbo7 Ай бұрын
@@toot1862 Still wrong, but no worries. The askers 2nd assumption, which Kubo says is correct, directly says that Aizen didn't approach Stark because of his immense power and that he waited for it to settle(likely referring to him becoming a natural arrancar and thus containing the power until ressurection). He had Kyoka Suigetsu both times, so idk why you're bringing it up just for Barragan. Yet he didn't have an issue with approaching Barragan and his entire army. That directly indicates Stark>Barragan. And since you surely don't think Ulquiorra>Aizen(with Kyoka Suigetsu), most don't even think Ulquiorra can beat Base Aizen(I disagree with them), that implies Stark>>>>>Ulquiorra. Shit, Ulquiorra HIMSELF says Stark, Barragan, AND Halibel are stronger than himself. Long story short, using in manga statements, interview statements, klub outside, and the databooks, the power ranking would be this: Aizen(Kyoka Suigetsu)≈Stark>Barragan> Halibel>Ulquiorra>Aizen(Base). You also misunderstood the "hard to read" part as well. The asker said he likes Stark, Kubo responded to that says Starks CHARM is that it's hard to read him. Why would he talk about his charm in regards to why Aizen didn't approach him????
@toot1862
@toot1862 Ай бұрын
@@rbo7 Wtf are you talking about? Most of it is your own headcanon. The only canon part of it is Unquiorra said he is the 4th strongest. But that is an age old debate. Did he really mean it or was it just to break Ichigo's will to fight. The latter is what most people subscribe to. Especially since Ulquiorra also states further in the story, that no one knows about his second release. So you gonna believe his one statement but discard the other? And most importantly!! Ulquiorra's fight with Ichigo makes Stark, Barragan and Harribel's fight look like a children's fight. Ulquiorra's feats are miles above and beyond what Stark and Barragan did in the Canon Manga, let alone Harribel! So, No, Ulquiorra is still the Strongest Arrancar to me by a Mile! I don't care what number they had printed on their body, Actual Canon Feats speak above all.🤷
@kouwastaken3136
@kouwastaken3136 Ай бұрын
@toot1862 Ulq is fighting against mc and he got more screentime thats it and he's fighting in hueco mundo which you didn't know hollow got boost in hueco mundo and top 3 espada are fighting in living world and aizen knew about ulq segunda (becs he plan that battle) and ulq segunda is not even espada 2 lv. Starrk isn't using his rescurrection (it just his original which you doesn't know) More screentime doesn't he's stronger use your brain alittle bit.
@josephmerizalde381
@josephmerizalde381 Ай бұрын
That person wasn’t messing around when it came to asking Kubo that question 😆
@shinigamit0d142
@shinigamit0d142 Ай бұрын
and there is still people who believes Ulquiorra is stronger than starrk smh
@B0x_T00l
@B0x_T00l Ай бұрын
Tbf, he does have pretty much the best actual feats out of the Espada.
@rbo7
@rbo7 Ай бұрын
@@B0x_T00l Ulquiorra has the BIGGEST feats, not the best. Attack potency is important. Starks weakest Cero was able to KO Shunsui for some time. And no, Shunsui didn't pretend to get hurt, he pretended to still be KO'd. Starks Metralleta was enough for Shunsui to need Bankai before being saved. And that wasn't even him using the 1000 Cero at once. Stark also has the best speed feat in the manga, Sonido'd almost half of Las Noches in a blink. It took Bankai Ichigo an entire Ulquiorra monologue to do the same thing.
@marcquelkennedy3254
@marcquelkennedy3254 Ай бұрын
Literally just sitting in the emergency watching clips thinking “damn they really did stark dirty even being the number 1 espada”
@sneakygin
@sneakygin Ай бұрын
Saying aizen 'feared' is exaggerating. Espada are arrancars at their prime. And Aizen literally said that their powers combined are weaker than him. The same base aizen went on to toy with the gotei 13 which the espadas struggled with.
@grimm6jack
@grimm6jack Ай бұрын
Shikai Aizen, not base Aizen.
@gmradio2436
@gmradio2436 Ай бұрын
Fear is not a switch between 0 and 1. There are degrees of fear. So even Aizen feeling since of fear and uncertainty against strong opponents like Yammato and Staark is reasonable. How he deals with fear is more important than if he feels fear. Aizen prepares.
@tinfoilslacks3750
@tinfoilslacks3750 Ай бұрын
True but Aizen was getting all yoked off the Hogyoku so he may have feared Starrk *at that time*
@sneakygin
@sneakygin Ай бұрын
@grimm6jack second part of the fight was aizen in his base , not even shikai and ended it faster.
@nahte123456
@nahte123456 Ай бұрын
It's funny to me Aizen saying something is somehow proof. The guy admits to lying like a dozen times and multiple other characters even point out he lies. Ichigo has a whole conversation with him in Fake Karakuea about how what he says contradics what he said before and Aizen just outright says he could just have been lying back then. But yeah sure, Aizen said something so clearly he was being honest this time.
@Kerry8841
@Kerry8841 Ай бұрын
i was always happy with stark. his whole style just oozes power to me
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