Kumam Identity Crisis | KP Jaluo Abroad | Full Documentary

[@gertrudeathieno398]

Omera KP this particular episode is extremely in-depth details. Kere pa jo Kumam owaco giradyeri. Jo Kumam jobedo Luo! Afuoyo tic ma itimo me swa. Ojame omera, afuoyini swa.

[@atticusnow131]

Another gem for our LUO ARCHIVES! Tich maler mo'gik! Apwoyo!

[@KPtravels001]

Thank you omera. Help me share widely with your friends and family . I need more luos here.

[@kmaidotia]

This is Gold, very well done. Being a Kumam who has had those identity questions, I'm not sure my questions were answered. But good to see the different sides of our origin.

[@maasaimaasai2895]

All the time I love this work.

[@KPtravels001]

Thank you brother. Help me share widely.

[@johnojara7251]

Excellent efforts to clarify who are the luos. Thanks...& Jokjokamalo.

[@KPtravels001]

Thank you Ojara. I try my best to give the best. Kindly help me share widely.

[@okelloemmanuelogona7178]

I want to thank this team,it's a great discovery,Love the content ❤❤❤🇺🇬

[@joseph-is5jk]

I am happy that you are back with another video, keep on visiting all Luo family, May God bless you Omera

[@KPtravels001]

Thank you brother 🙏🏽

[@fonsianoobalker3299]

Thank you peter,can someone send me peter"s contact.

[@eng.makolal1367]

The intro alone is next level. Congrats, Brother!

[@KPtravels001]

Top tier😂😂. Erokamano jayadha. Thank you brother

[@sethondollo6315]

Am luo from kenya I love to learn about other Luos from other countries...it's nice to here different dialects than ones am used to

[@KPtravels001]

Very good. Luos are many than imagined.

[@KPtravels001]

Help me share this video widely. I need more luos here.

[@miltononduto7196]

It was nice doing a Luo documentary, looking forward to more Luo documentaries and would like to learn from you as well, especially doing the voice-over, wish you all the best.

[@KPtravels001]

For sure, more luo documentaries will come soon. Acholi documentary will be next. Help me share the video widely. I need more luos here.

[@mauricecerulo4609]

Welcome back

[@KPtravels001]

Thank you.

[@Dollarminerz]

Thank you so much for this great insight. Identity is very important. You closed the debate so well

[@KPtravels001]

Yeah the Kumam identity debate was getting out of hand and I needed to resolve it.

[@KPtravels001]

Help share the video widely. I need more luos here.

[@sambo-g9871]

respect big bro, you are doing the work, this is amazing

[@KPtravels001]

Thank you. Help me share widely.

[@papd3532]

The largest funds drive of LUO UNION was chaired by President Milton Obote(Luo-Langi) in LIRA NORTHERN UGANDA in 1958 with VP OGINGA ODINGA of Kenya present . There is a OBOTE road in Kisumu Kenya . The Luo Ker Odungi Randa met Milton Obote multiple times when he was hosted by VP Oginga Odinga in Kisumu Kenya and named his late son Stephen Milton Obote . The Luo Ker of Kenya was set to Marry in Luo-Acholiland in Uganda but his fiancé’s family was wiped out by Idi Amin after the fall of Milton Obote in 1971.

[@papd3532]

In his youth the current Ker(leader Luo Council) of Kenya Luo Odungi Randa, as a PA, traveled extensively with VP Oginga Odinga of Kenya to Uganda . Both Milton Obote and VP Oginga attended MAKERERE University of Uganda and were very close friends and members of LUO-UNION East, Central,North/North East Africa . The largest funds drive of LUO UNION was chaired by Milton Obote(Luo-Langi) in LIRA NORTHERN UGANDA with OGINGA ODINGA present . There is a OBOTE road in Kisumu Kenya .

[@papd3532]

VP Oginga Odinga of Kenya and President Milton Obote(Luo-Langi) of Uganda started efforts to unite the Luo of East ,Central, North/North East Africa . The first headquarters of Luo Union was in Kisumu at the OFAFA MEMORIAL HALL . Ambrose Ofafa was the first treasurer of Luo Union and was killed during the British Colonial state of emergency under dubious circumstances . The funeral was conducted in Alego Kargada in Nyanza Kenya .

[@papd3532]

VP Oginga Odinga started a unity tour and funds drive tour of East,Central and NorthEast Africa to support Luo Union . He would later resign as Luo Ker after he became Kenya VP relinquishing the post to Joel Omer . Other notable Luo Ker included Paul Mboya from South Nyanza Karachuonyo whose son together with Argwings Kodhek,first MP Gem Nyanza,were both the first black lawyers in pre-independence Kenya .

[@papd3532]

VP Oginga Odinga together with some of his children travelled extensively across East and Central Africa collecting funds to build Ofafa memorial hall in 1955 . Ofafa memorial was about 300 meters on the right side of Kaloleni estate Kisumu and behind the house of Oginga Odinga .

[@papd3532]

The Architect for construction of Luo Union Ofafa memorial hall was Washington Onger of Gem Olumbi with a company called LUTATKO and a contractor called RAMOGI CONSTRUCTION under Luo Thrift an entrepreneurship arm of Luo-Union. Branches of Luo-Union were spread across East, Central, North/North East Africa including Dar-es-salaam, Kampala, Kisumu, Nairobi, Zanzibar etc

[@ongwectonny5775]

It was a very well calculated interview.

[@KPtravels001]

Thank you Ongwec

[@genodaniel394]

Thank you, KP. As Kumam, The Jopadhola version makes more logical sense.

[@ChristabelAnyango-pj9yu]

Please create playlist wanna watch your video all

[@KPtravels001]

I have done that Christabel 🙂

[@ocengoyugi4578]

Omera KP.. 1. Apwoyo.. Ero kamwno.. 2. I am fine.. good health .. and am wishing absolutely the same for you and the entire team.. I've very patiently and confidently waited.. I've observed.. I'm watching.. Will meticulously do the same.. with every development.. Good health... OAO

[@KPtravels001]

Thank you so much. We keep pushing on.

[@stephenenenuolika5180]

I also believe the Kumam are Luo. This is coz we share very many words with Acholi, Langi, Jophadola etc

[@KPtravels001]

That's what the elders said too.

[@kumamtv9529]

Omina KPI opwoyo documentary twatwal❤

[@KPtravels001]

Intie benyo? Apwoyo ba

[@kumamtv9529]

@@KPtravels001 ango atiye iber sana sana omina...Rubanga gwoki

[@KPtravels001]

@@kumamtv9529 Apwoyo twatwal omina. Help me share widely with other Kumam people.

[@goo6341]

Great ❤work Man keep it up 👍🏽

[@ChristabelAnyango-pj9yu]

Please create playlist easy to wach nxt video I can even sleep leave it play for usiku yote

[@KPtravels001]

There's KP Jaluo Abroad playlist.

[@ijoso]

Address as you may Luo-Langi are not Luo...

[@mauricecerulo4609]

How about dividing it into segments; linguistic Geography Sociology/Anthropology politics Economics Religion We find what they share in common.

[@ngongahbilly9434]

I'm Luo and from their speech I can understand what they say at 80 per cent. In Language studies we find that borrowing items of language from neighbouring languages, and behaviour is common. But what they choose to call themselves is their prerogative. Which wider language group they choose to identify with is also their prerogative. But academic studies in language may determine where they fall according to language history and the dominance of specific language and cultural features which may not take into account what the Kumam feel about it. It is a fact that Luo speaking people can also be found in Ethiopia, so the claim that the Kumam came from Ethiopia does not preclude them from being Luo.

[@papd3532]

When the Luo conquered other groups they did not practice Slavery(other Nilotic groups like Maasai, Nyamanga etc also did not practice slavery) but assimilated the groups they conquered through intermarriage into sub-clans allowing these groups to swear ALLEGIENCE, through an elaborate process, to the existing Luo clans and warrior leaders like Owiny . Modern times has come with some complexities and challenges but the clan system across Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda, Congo, Chad, Cameroon, Central Africa Republic, Ethiopia Gambella/Eritrea, Sudan/Lower Egypt has existed for centuries among the Nilotic Luo .

[@papd3532]

In Tanganyika and South Nyanza Kenya the ancestor of the Luo, Rachuonyo also married a Luhya Maragoli named Adwet . Adwet bore Rachuonyo the most number of children, at least 15, out of all his wives . The Luo of Tanganyika and South Nyanza Kenya including Karachuonyo have extensive Luhya particulary Maragoli admixture . There are clans in Homa Bay/Kendu Bay who reference themselves as JoKadwet . Also the Luo-Wasweta and Luo-Mukisero in Kenya Migori and Tanzania Shirati are descended from admixture with Abagusii and Abakuria clans that were assimilated .

[@thealisterr]

@@papd3532the Abagusii are very diverse group with different people of different origins. You can not generalize Originally the land that is known as “Abagusii” was inhabited by indigenous hunter gatherers (most likely related to the Khoisan), and various Southern Cushitic speaking groups during prehistoric times. Then some time later, some Nilotic groups (related to the Kalenjin) came into Kisii land, and assimilated those groups. Then after a while, the Luhya entered western Kenya from the Buganda kingdom and settled into Kisii, assimilating those groups, and around the same time, some Luo groups entered the region during their migrations and some Luo clans were absorbed. This is what makes up modern day Abagusii

[@papd3532]

@@thealisterr What does "most likely related" mean? How long is "after a while" ? When is "around the same time"?

[@papd3532]

@@thealisterr The Nilotic Luo are diasporic(at least 20million spread out at least 9-12 territories including Tanzania, Uganda, Kenya ,DRC Congo, Chad, Central Africa Republic, Sudan/Lower Egypt, Ethiopia Gambella/Eritrea, Cameroon Luo- Bantu assimilated by late 1990's) and settled thousands years with skilled warriors(e.g Owiny, Obando Mumbo, Ogutu Kipapi, Lela Kabanda, Tawo Kogot, Onyango Randar, Oracha Rambo, Lwanda Magere and others) through conquest, intermarriage and assimilation e.g Luo-Suba in Kenya, Tanzania and Luo-Babito/Luo-Langi/Luo-Kumam in Uganda with tendencies for large families thanks to history of polygamy in the past like all other AFRO groups .

[@papd3532]

@@thealisterr Other Assimilated groups in Kenya and Tanzania included Luo-Wasweta(Abasweta),Luo-Kavirondo(Abarondo),Luo-Kanjuro(Abanjuro),Luo-Mikiria(Abakiria),Luo-Basi(Ababasi),Luo-Mugirango(Abagirango) . The Kavirondo were the original occupants of the L.Victoria region in Western Kenya before Luo occupation and assimilation .

[@papd3532]

The Luo conquered several kingdoms in the past through their southward movement and contributed to banyarwanda tutsi southwest movement to present day Rwanda/Congo, influencing rulership for Luo-babito and Baganda Kingdoms in Uganda .

[@papd3532]

Kenya Luo proper(Kenya Nationalist Tom Mboya, VP Oginga Odinga ,OBAMA ,LUPITA NYONGO ),Luo-Suba .Tanzania Luo proper, Luo-Suba,Luo-Wasweta,Luo-Mukisero .

[@papd3532]

Uganda Luo-Langi(President Milton Obote, Gen David Oyite Ojok, Gen Smith Acak Opon, zanzibar liberator John Okello , united Tanganyika+Zanzibar=Tanzania) .

[@papd3532]

Uganda Luo-Acholi(Presidents Gen Tito Okello and Army Commander Gen Bazillio Olara Okello,Airforce Director,Maj Alfred Otto,Airforce pilots Cpt Harry Oluoch,Cpt Eric Odwar etc) .

[@papd3532]

Uganda Luo-Acholi (LRA rebels against Yoweri Museveni JOSEPH KONY , Alice Auma Lakwena ,Dominic Ongwen, Vincent Otti, Okot Odhiambo,Raska Lukwiya,Nixman Opuk Oryanga,Ceaser Achellum,Bunia Ocan,Actress SHEILA ATIM-"WOMAN KING") .

[@papd3532]

Uganda Luo-Padhola, Luo Alur, Luo-Kumam, Luo-Jonam,Luo-babito,Luo-jopaluo of Uganda .

[@mcpaultv4028]

Luo verson sound real about Okumu,Owiny and Adhola

[@peteroketch383]

Is teso also subgroup of luo, there are words that are similar

[@KPtravels001]

No, teso are Ateker. They are in the same group as Turkana, Karamanjong etc.

[@hillaryemeu6506]

Why do many people deliberately kill the Kumam identity?? Having similar language linkages doesn't mean the Kumam came as a result of fussion of other tribes. Eg french has some language similarities with English, does this mean either French or English came from each other??

[@ongwectonny5775]

Correction, Lango people are not the luos

[@blessedbethy]

Jatelo, sema. Do you think it's possible to standardize Dholuo & teach this new language to the Luos all over? Also, are the differences between the other Luo speaking groups so huge that violence erupts among them?

[@KPtravels001]

Yes, that's possible but requires a very standardised education system that's only possible if we all live in the same country, which is almost impossible as of this moment.

[@KPtravels001]

On the second question, there are no differences as of this moment (currently). However, sibling rivalry is a thing and was witnessed during the reign of Milton Obote (a lango). Bazilio Okello (an acholi) who was the Chief of the Armed Forces clashed with president Obote (a lango) for appointing a fellow lango instead of an acholi to a government position and this partially contributed to the downfall of Obote and the rise of Museveni to power.

[@Mrpwocber]

@@KPtravels001 It was Acoli soldiers reporting that they get placed in the front line, with no ammunition, also only Acoli soldiers getting drowned in the sea thousands of them with no Langi or other ethnic groups which caused suspicion. Then secret letters were discovered written to Obote against Acoli and against Luo of Kenya. Do not let this fellow deceive you. We had our relatives who served in the army and police during Obote. They are still alive, some are no more. The man Papd3532 is deceving you here because he knows you are based in Kenya.

[@papd3532]

The Nilotic Luo are diasporic(at least 20million spread out at least 9-12 territories including Tanzania, Uganda, Kenya ,DRC Congo, Chad, Central Africa Republic, Sudan/Lower Egypt, Ethiopia Gambella/Eritrea, Cameroon Luo- Bantu assimilated by late 1990's) and settled thousands years with skilled warriors(e.g Owiny, Obando Mumbo, Ogutu Kipapi, Lela Kabanda, Tawo Kogot, Onyango Randar, Oracha Rambo, Lwanda Magere and others) through conquest, intermarriage and assimilation e.g Luo-Suba in Kenya, Tanzania and Luo-Babito/Luo-Langi/Luo-Kumam in Uganda with tendencies for large families thanks to history of polygamy in the past like all other AFRO groups .

[@papd3532]

Other Assimilated groups in Kenya and Tanzania included Luo-Wasweta(Abasweta),Luo-Kavirondo(Abarondo),Luo-Kanjuro(Abanjuro),Luo-Mikiria(Abakiria),Luo-Basi(Ababasi),Luo-Mugirango(Abagirango) . The Kavirondo were the original occupants of the L.Victoria region in Western Kenya before Luo occupation and assimilation .

[@simenyasikhulu]

You are good in the Luo history. This is precious information. By the way I believe that the Luo-suba are the Josuba that were assimilated to Joluo. I'm stating this because I've come across Josuba, especially from Imfang'ano (Mfang'ano) who can speake Dhosuba very well. I come from a community who are also bilingual (communicating both in Luo and A Lake Victorian Bantu language). I communicated with these Josuba without the need of a translated. I found that their language , Olusuba was very intelligible with the Saamia and Dhomanyala. But again mist Josuba are practically Luo presently.

[@ijoso]

Note the so called Kumam of the today are also referred as Ikoklemwo(thieves of cattle without horns) by Iteso, as a camouflage and adoption to assume otherwise, it may be why they had to adopt lingua Franka Luo. Now their assumption of the name of Kumam is convenient as survival criteria, they are not be Kumam but splinter Kumam group that bread/created Iteso group. Note these are warrior people that thrived in war, theft of livestock and etc. Courageous people on advent of adversity with a well founded administration based on doing good to others. Current Teso, oral history has them referred as Ikoklemwo.

[@georgeokwaro9471]

The langis or Jo Ugang are also being disputed not to be Luos please do a documentary

[@KPtravels001]

I will do a documentary on the Langis in November. For now, help me share widely. I need more luos onboard.

[@emmanuelekakoro6065]

My 5 cents: Kumam (and their close cousins the Langi) are Ateker. Why? Africans have attachment to certain things that have familial ties. Outside the family connection, the next closely-knit unit is the clan. No African will adopt another clan, however well-received they are in the new clan. In my village, there are Luo and Bantu who have lived there for over 5 decades. They have learnt the local Ateso language, sometimes even better then the ethnic Iteso because their parents learnt it when it was relatively undiluted. But what surprise you is despite being accepted within the community, they will never be found participating in matters that concern the clan, they do not partake in the local rites. Why would the Kumam and Langi give themselves clan names that are obviously Ateker, unless they themselves were Ateker to begin with? Didn't the Luo groups they supposedly came from have clans? Even a child who grows up among his/her mother's clan will never become a member of that clan. What about total strangers?

[@raelarot7972]

Am a typical Ateker, Turkana tribe from Northern Kenya.My Mum is from ngirarak clan,Dad from Ngikaraok clan .

[@papd3532]

Historical facts and personal opinions are divergent . The Luo-Kumam and Luo-Langi are assimilated groups . The Luo assimilated multiple groups including the Luo-Suba and Luo-Kavirondo . Luo history is extensive across 9-12 territories . Few groups occupy several territories in the continent of Africa such as the Fulani of Senegal, Gambia, Niger, Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon, Mali or the Somali of Ethiopia, Djibouti, Kenya ,Somalia . The Somali and Fulani were Nomadic . The Luo were River-Lake Nilotes,Nilotic pastoralists and small scale subsistence farmers(millet etc) . The Banyarwanda hutu assimilated the Banyarwanda tutsi hence the Banyarwanda identity based on most recent DNA samples .

[@papd3532]

Other Assimilated groups in Kenya and Tanzania included Luo-Wasweta(Abasweta),Luo-Kavirondo(Abarondo),Luo-Kanjuro(Abanjuro),Luo-Mikiria(Abakiria),Luo-Basi(Ababasi),Luo-Mugirango(Abagirango) . The Kavirondo were the original occupants of the L.Victoria region in Western Kenya before Luo occupation and assimilation .

[@felixmakinda7689]

@@papd3532 my mother is Luo-Mugirango. I always wondered how my grandfather, a Luo from Migori ended up living in Kisii, while his family was left in Luo land. It seems it was deeper.

[@papd3532]

@@felixmakinda7689 The Nilotic Luo of Kenya(OBAMA, ACTRESS, LUPITA NYONGO GROUP) are an amalgamation of the Luo-Acholi, Luo-Alur, Luo-Padhola, Luo-Jonam, Luo-Langi, Luo-Jopaluo etc of Uganda(PRESIDENTS MILTON OBOTE,GEN TITO OKELLO,WOMAN KING ACTRESS SHEILA ATIM,LRA REBEL JOSEPH KONY etc) and admixtures of other groups in Kenya such as the Bantu AbaSuba,AbaLuhya and extents of AbaKuria and Abagusii .

[@thealisterr]

The Lango originally were apart of Ateker too but they were assimilated into Luo

[@Omar_Brainer_lyrics]

This is spot on jadwong

[@KPtravels001]

Thank you. I try my best to give the best💪

[@Omar_Brainer_lyrics]

@@KPtravels001 well, an abedo awobi lango. I'm waiting for when you are interviewing my people - langi

[@KPtravels001]

@@Omar_Brainer_lyrics I was in Lira on 20th of April when I was making this Kumam documentary. I came to look for Won Nyaci.

[@KPtravels001]

I will come back to do the Lango Documentary after the coronation of Won Nyaci

[@Mrpwocber]

@@KPtravels001 "kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmmcpJiGhsR1Y7c" The old Won Nyaci is still in power. The new one has spoken to people in that link above.

[@oduroojuni3241]

Love you my people, brother kp iino gweth Jwøk!

[@KPtravels001]

Una pwøøa chuka😊

[@odochokee9856]

You need to visit the labwor and Nyakwai people

[@KPtravels001]

I will visit them when doing the Acholi documentary.

[@KPtravels001]

I believe Labwor is part of the Acholi family.

[@odochokee9856]

@@KPtravels001 it is worth hearing from their own mouth

[@KPtravels001]

@@odochokee9856 for sure. Their story is better narrated by them.

[@Ogwangbryan95]

​@@KPtravels001their language is related

[@esingucollins6047]

But they fall in TESO sub region

[@OkothOlunga]

I pray they understand with time that they are Luo

[@KPtravels001]

Well, the truth has been laid before them. We did our part.

[@jimeselu8843]

@@KPtravels001 We know

[@KPtravels001]

@@jimeselu8843 that's good. He said that because there are some Kumam people who refute the idea of them being Luo.

[@cls4786]

The kumam luo is very easy for kenyan luo to understand

[@Joseph-th1pj]

I'm glad to see in the documentary my former Warden at University Hall (UH) Makerere Univ., Mzee Ekudu. We shouldn't distort historical facts. Kumam and Langi are part of Ateker group, although they speak languages that are "combo" of luo and ateker words. Their clan names are exactly the same as those of Iteso and other Ateker people. I know Luo want to take Kumam and Langi to make their group larger. Lol. Let Kumam be Kumam and Langi be Langi. Not Luo-Kumam or Luo-Langi.

[@KPtravels001]

I think it's unfair to say "Luo want to take Kumam and Lango to make their group larger ". Didn't you hear the Kumam themselves (including the King) say that they are luo through assimilation? Not a single luo spoke in that documentary, only the Kumam themselves.

[@KPtravels001]

And the documentary presented all the three hypotheses, not just the "we're luo hypothesis".

[@KPtravels001]

Actually, what do I gain by "taking Kumam and Lango to make luo bigger "? I don't get paid for making luo bigger so what could be the motivation to take Kumam and Lango?

[@Joseph-th1pj]

@@KPtravels001 I meant no offence. That statement was for humor. I included, 'Lol" (laugh out loud). You are doing well to document Luo culture. Please continue.

[@Joseph-th1pj]

@@KPtravels001 In research, we winsorize data. The Kumam Chief's statements lack historical evidence. The Chief's views are outliers. His statement that, Kumam are more related in blood to Japadhola and Alur than Ateker people should be purged out of records. I know he is trying to curve out a chiefdom but he shouldn't distort facts and there may be some folks behind him with their own motivations. Not so long ago, a clan in Soroti brought together Iteso and Kumam. They affirmed that they are related by blood and disallowed their children from marrying each other. That said, I respect the Kumam Chief. He is actually from my clan of Ikaruwok.

[@Evelynherselfomusoga]

Bro what I want to know do we luo have same names , I'm called ATHIENO japadholas from Uganda 🇺🇬

[@KPtravels001]

Yes, we have fairly same names. Among the luo of Kenya it's ATIENO.

[@Evelynherselfomusoga]

@@KPtravels001 Thanks bro for good job you have made me to be proud and very proud of our luo ethnic groups big up my brother from another mother 👍👍👍

[@KPtravels001]

@@Evelynherselfomusoga you're welcome. Help me share the video widely.

[@josephnyanga4362]

Athieno and Othieno names are Luo names for the Female and the Male gender respectively, but this version is mainly found in Ugenya and Alego of Siaya County. The rest of the Luo counties have the Atieno and Otieno versions for children born at night.

[@kevinvincent5982]

A standardised version of dholuo/ lep/Leb luo needs to be created and be taught to every other Luo group that exists while each still keeps their dialect. Just like German or Arabic.

[@ebaradenis]

Kumam is never part of Ateso.infact, Ateso evolved after Kumam was long in existence.

[@papd3532]

VP Oginga Odinga of Kenya, President Milton Obote of Uganda and President Julius Nyerere of Tanzania were friends . VP Oginga Odinga and Milton Obote both attended Uganda's Makerere University and were later part of Luo Union of East, North East and Central Africa and Luo Thrift of East Africa .

[@papd3532]

Milton Obote was founding member of Kenya's Independence party and worked together with VP Oginga Odinga to transfer Mwai Kibaki from Makerere as a lecturer to Kenya as the first independence party executive officer in 1960 . There is road in Kisumu named Obote road .

[@papd3532]

Milton Obote(Luo-Langi) was a frequent visitor to Kisumu and was denied asylum in Kenya by Daniel Moi in 1985 due to his close friendship with VP Oginga Odinga . Odungi Randa was personal assistant to Oginga Odinga and in his youth travelled to Uganda to start marriage negotiations with a Luo-Acholi fiancée but the marriage never materialized as Idi Amin wiped out the entire family of the girl.

[@KPtravels001]

@@papd3532 you have some interesting grip on history.

[@papd3532]

@@KPtravels001 Keep up the good work . Create mini documentaries and main documentary .

[@papd3532]

@@KPtravels001 Also create merchandize t-shirts, sweat-shirts, cups, pots, pens, pencils etc related to Luo history and commercialize to support your work .

[@papd3532]

One of the most successful Kingdoms in East Africa the Luo-Babito Kingdom was led by the Jobito clan(from Bito tree) of Luo-Acholi in Uganda from Agora in Northern Uganda . They moved to Western Uganda and took over Bunyoro Kitara Kingdom after the Bachweizi rulers fled . Bunyoro Kitara under Luo-Babito ended any forms of slavery in Uganda ,Pockets of which existed under Bantu Bachwezi and Bantu Baganda . Other clans exist among several Luo groups in Uganda and other territories .

[@papd3532]

The Luo-Babito rulers would then rule over Bunyoro Kitara Kingdom for 400 to 500 years until 1967-1971 when it was stopped by the Uganda government and later also under Idi Amin . The Luo also influenced ruler-ship for the Buganda Kingdom . Kabaka Mutesa has acknowledged Luo ancestry . President Theodore Roosevelt would then Visit Buganda in 1909 and was impressed by the egalitarian and democratic social organization among the Buganda Kingdom which he presented to US Congress and UK house of commons for emulation .

[@papd3532]

The clans in Tanzania cover 3-4 million Luo of Tanzania . The clans in Kenya cover 5-6 million Luo of Kenya . The clans in Congo cover 2-3 million Luo of Congo . In Uganda including Luo-Acholi clans covering at least 2 million .

[@KPtravels001]

@@papd3532 I will definately love to do a documentary on the Luo Babito of the Bunyoro Kitara Kingdom

[@papd3532]

@@KPtravels001 That would be great . Also the Luo-Alur of Congo have an organized mini government with structures .

[@KPtravels001]

@@papd3532 what do you mean by a mini government structure?

[@AbetJaspher]

Where do Langi belong

[@KPtravels001]

I will do a documentary on the Lango too.

[@KPtravels001]

Their story is very close to the Kumam story. But I definitely need to dig deep to come up with the exact truth.

[@papd3532]

@@KPtravels001 Historically Lango were a collection of ethno groups(Ateker) linked to Kumam ,Turkana ,Iteso, Toposa, Karamajong and etc but by the 15th century became subject to Luo influence and assimilation including intermarriage as revealed by present day DNA .

[@papd3532]

@@KPtravels001 The complexity of interactions between different Luo groups and Lango including Language and intermarriage forced historians and Anthropologists to refer to the group as Luo-Lango or Luo-Langi .

[@papd3532]

@@KPtravels001 Some historians and anthropologists still prefer distinguishing the groups . The Luo still refer to some Nilotic groups like the Kalenjin, Karamoja as Lango .

[@cls4786]

My view. African on African assimilation are brought by a combination of two factors. Conquest and intermarriage. Ie the women of defeated group are taken over. These women have babies who now belong to the dominant tribe but maintain their mother tongue and culture since its still prevalent. These children initially are bilingual but now identify with their dads ethnic group. By the third generation the assimilation is complete but they still identify with their mothers/grandmothers culture since they are almost just as many as the men from the dominant tribe. Further down the generations they marry mainly within their dads group and identify as that but then some of them will come up with question of whats their original identity. Long story short tribes are assimilated because their women are captured in numbers and intermarried.

[@MrMekanisi]

But they speak luo. I can understand them . However, the name Kumam itself sounds like a Turkana name.

[@papd3532]

The Luo-Kumam identity crisis is due to pre-colonial and post-colonial political expediency . In both Uganda and Kenya politics of ethnicity can supersede politics of ideology . At the center of any groups political economy and survival is access and distribution of resources . By distancing from Luo and Ateker , Luo-Kumam have a better chance of accumulating exclusive rights to resources both at the local and national level and midwifing unique administrative locations or centers . Administering resources from Teso or Lango in both pre-colonial and post-colonial Uganda can leave the Luo-Kumam with less resources due to complex factors .

[@papd3532]

In Kenya the Luo-Suba had a similar issue but the Suba and Luo completely intermixed through marriage based on DNA samples . Same issue with Luo-Kumam intermarriages with the Ateker, Luo-Langi and Luo-Padhola. The Luo-Suba lobbied for unique administrative centers but the suggested solutions have been through policy and politics with resource distribution being at the center of dealing with the identity impasse . To resolve the identity crisis among the Luo-Kumam the groups in Northern and Eastern Uganda must have excess to resources particularly from the national tax base . Also identity politics of ethnicity must be damned down .

[@KPtravels001]

That is right. Politics of ethnicity is stronger. In Uganda, the political economy is very much tied to the politics of ethnicity thus names like "Ateso sub region". Distribution of resources is to a greater extent directed to regions and as such, separating to have a separate district as an ethnic group is important as it enables direct access to resources.

[@papd3532]

Since Yoweri Museveni took over from Gen Tito Okello(Luo-Acholi) in 1986 ,Eastern and Northern Uganda have received less resources than Southern/Central/Western Uganda . Gen Tito Okello and Gen Bazilio Olara Okello had staged a rebellion against President Milton Obote(Luo-Langi) in 1985 due to the Promotion of Smith Acak Opon(Luo-Langi) to Chief of Staff by Milton Obote .

[@papd3532]

Gen Tito Okello(Luo-Acholi) had preferred Gen Bazilio Olara Okello (Luo-Acholi) for the position after the death of Gen David Oyite Ojok (Luo-Langi) in a plane crash in Luweero while on assignment to finally route out the NRA insurgents led by Yoweri Museveni of Uganda and Paul Kagame of Rwanda . Paul Kagame had been a refugee in Uganda since age 4 and the Banyarwanda aligned with the Bahima and Banyankole(Yoweri Museveni) .

[@papd3532]

@@KPtravels001 Exactly . The Luo survived and spread out into at least 9-12 territories in the continent of Africa by having a mixed economy . River-lake Nilotic, Nilotic pastoralism and small scale subsistence agriculture .

[@esingucollins6047]

I am called Esingu named give after one grand a world war two veterant

[@AbetJaspher]

Where do Langi belong?

[@KPtravels001]

Luo. But there are allegations of assimilation as well. I'll do a documentary on them to find out more.

[@papd3532]

Historically Lango were a collection of ethno groups(Ateker) linked to Kumam, Turkana ,Iteso, Toposa, Karamajong and etc but by the 15th century became subject to Luo influence and assimilation including intermarriage as revealed by present day DNA .

[@papd3532]

The complexity of interactions between different Luo groups and Lango including Language and intermarriage forced historians and Anthropologists to refer to the group as Luo-Lango or Luo-Langi .

[@papd3532]

Some historians and anthropologists still prefer distinguishing the groups . The Luo still refer to some Nilotic groups like the Kalenjin, Karamoja as Lango . But the Luo consider the Lango as part of Luo through assimilation like the Suba .

[@KPtravels001]

@@papd3532 what makes it difficult to figure out is the fact that some accept while some reject their luoness making it difficult to settle on a single argument.

[@cls4786]

Lake, River , Fish means they are Luo.. Even so called Suba are just luos

[@papd3532]

Luo people of Aegen and Abu simbel are found in the border of Sudan and Egypt .

[@papd3532]

The Luo of Sudan/Lower Egypt including the Luo-Bor,Luo-Jur Chol and Luo-Balanda have at least 1000 clans which represent the historical Nilotic Luo federal system of governance . Other Nilotic groups like the Maasai of Kenya and Tanzania also maintain clan system(kinship) . The Luo of Kenya have at least 35-47 distinct clans some of which spread into Tanganyika .

[@papd3532]

Typically members of the same clan do not intermarry but there are rare exceptions . The Mugirango clan among the Bantu Abagusii represented assimilation with the Nilotic Luo of Kenya hence Luo-Mugirango . The Clan system, marriage and family life are extremely important among Nilotic Luo and children are valued and rarely abandoned(modern times has created exceptions) as they belong to the father and the clan . This contributed to Nilotic Luo rapid expansion .

[@odochokee9856]

There was a Luo ancestral shrine and a traditional prayer mountain in Abu Simbel having links with Lamogi people in western Acoli.

[@papd3532]

@@odochokee9856 The Luo of Kenya first settled in Kampala Uganda . And previously John Orochi Luo-Alur minister of culture while in Egypt found documentation that the Luo had lived in present day Aswan in Egypt .

[@sophieakot346]

​@@papd3532wow interesting ❤

[@francisodago]

Kumam, has never been luo, kumam are actually Teso/Ateker, they share 60%of the words with the iteso, the culture, clans etc are shared with the iteso, they do not share anything with the langi but only 40%of the words

[@samochanji9381]

Luos are like the Romans so the Kumam are our fellow and bonafide Luos. No need for any contradictions or identity crisis.

[@KPtravels001]

Yeah, the identity crisis has been solved. I did this documentary specifically to solve that mystery

[@KPtravels001]

Luo is a very dominant tribe. They tend to assimilate everyone they come into contact with.

[@KPtravels001]

In Tanzania, around 4 luo clans assimilated close to 10 suba clans. The minority assimilated the majority.

[@kennethotieno995]

Luo were part of the Kush kingdom; a mighty military kingdom. The battles with the Romans led to signing of non interference treaty. Of course you know that ancient Egypt under kushite leadership helped defend Jerusalem from the Assyrians under king Hezekiah Armageddon, which is Greek for El magiddo, a town in Northern Israel, was centre of tough battle between Egyptian king Tutmose III and rebellious subjects influenced by Syria. The tough battle which ensued or was it a whopping - is very well documented (you think carrying media along in war started yesterday 😊) Kush kingdom was formed when Egypt had started to decline due to attacks/invasions

[@samochanji9381]

​@@KPtravels001 Even more impressive is that our ancestors didn't assimilate through force, war and bloodshed but through "soft power": language, culture and traditions.

[@olungaotieno6739]

Tich Maler ..

[@KPtravels001]

Erokamano jayadha. Help me share it widely.

[@olungaotieno6739]

@@KPtravels001 most definitely.You should also do some research on the Balanda Boor and the Shilluk.

[@murnyang8381]

Luo Ethiopia

[@KPtravels001]

I don't understand. Did you mean you are Anywa, Luo of Ethiopia?

[@murnyang8381]

Both

[@KPtravels001]

@@murnyang8381 good. I will come back to Gambella to do a full documentary on the Anywak as well. I was there last year.

[@murnyang8381]

@@KPtravels001 good looking forward to supporting the mission

[@KPtravels001]

@@murnyang8381 thank you so much. Una pwaa🙏

[@ijoso]

Kumam are not Luo either, just like Lugbara who speak bantu congolaise language they too are not bantu much closer to Bari and Kakwa

[@papd3532]

How old are you?

[@ijoso]

Karamojong who with Iteso are apart of the said Ateker in Uganda refer so called Teso as Kumam and people there as Kumam. There were two migrations of Ateker from the North ,, North migration forms Lango , Kumama , most of North Teso Amuria, Soroti, Serere etc. South migration is Usuk, Kumi, ngora, Pallisa, Bukedia and Tororo with Kenya. All these can be backed by names. It is very clear when they met natives of the areas they had to adopt, religion and so called modern education never helped , especially having Kakungulu and his cohorts , most names of Ateker have been distorted to adopt colonial taste of Kakungulu and British

[@papd3532]

@@ijoso The largest funds drive of LUO UNION was chaired by President Milton Obote(Luo-Langi) in LIRA NORTHERN UGANDA in 1958 with VP OGINGA ODINGA of Kenya present . There is a OBOTE road in Kisumu Kenya . The Luo Ker Odungi Randa met Milton Obote multiple times when he was hosted by VP Oginga Odinga in Kisumu Kenya and named his late son Stephen Milton Obote . The Luo Ker of Kenya was set to Marry in Luo-Acholiland in Uganda but his fiancé’s family was wiped out by Idi Amin after the fall of Milton Obote in 1971.

[@papd3532]

@@ijoso In his youth the current Ker(leader Luo Council) of Kenya Luo Odungi Randa, as a PA, traveled extensively with VP Oginga Odinga of Kenya to Uganda . Both Milton Obote and VP Oginga attended MAKERERE University of Uganda and were very close friends and members of LUO-UNION East, Central,North/North East Africa . The largest funds drive of LUO UNION was chaired by Milton Obote(Luo-Langi) in LIRA NORTHERN UGANDA with OGINGA ODINGA present . There is a OBOTE road in Kisumu Kenya .

[@papd3532]

@@ijoso VP Oginga Odinga of Kenya and President Milton Obote(Luo-Langi) of Uganda started efforts to unite the Luo of East ,Central, North/North East Africa . The first headquarters of Luo Union was in Kisumu at the OFAFA MEMORIAL HALL . Ambrose Ofafa was the first treasurer of Luo Union and was killed during the British Colonial state of emergency under dubious circumstances . The funeral was conducted in Alego Kargada in Nyanza Kenya .

[@thealisterr]

the Abagusii are very diverse group with different people of different origins. You can not generalize Originally the land that is known as “Abagusii” was inhabited by indigenous hunter gatherers (most likely related to the Khoisan), and various Southern Cushitic speaking groups during prehistoric times. Then some time later, some Nilotic groups (related to the Kalenjin) came into Kisii land, and assimilated those groups. Then after a while, the Luhya entered western Kenya from the Buganda kingdom and settled into Kisii, assimilating those groups, and around the same time, some Luo groups entered the region during their migrations and some Luo clans were absorbed. This is what makes up modern day Abagusii

[@ijoso]

Lango speak Luo but are not Luo for your information. I think you ought to do a little bit more research. Lango of South Sudan do not speak Luo but a language similar to Ateker group. Lango names too are similar to Ateker people not Luo names. Apart from twin names and a few that are common amongst the nilotes

[@papd3532]

President Milton Obote of Uganda Luo-Langi from his own ancestry .

[@Mrpwocber]

Their language is not a Luo dialect either, they speak broken or corrupted Lwo dialects mixed with Ateker or Teso dialects therefore from a lingustic point of view it cannot be grouped as a Lwo/Luo language. I saw the bible society or other anthropologists put it as hybrid of ateso language with broken lwo dialects.

[@Joseph-th1pj]

@@Mrpwocber I have followed your comments on these ethnic groups and you're right. Care should be taken not to dilute Luo culture by groups who are clearly not. Luo, especially Acoli culture is very rich. I enjoy their dances. If Kumam want to be Luo, then they should be initiated, and probably charged a fee to belong. People shouldn't hold out as Luo for free. Speaking broken/corrupted Luo doesn't make a person one. Lol. I am neither Acoli, Lango nor Kumam.

[@Mrpwocber]

@@Joseph-th1pj I think you are well placed to do something about this because you have a passion on anthropology. All cultures need to be protected, do your work on this too, please. The cultures are unique and are there to serve a purpose. Ethic groups should live peacefully with each other with respect to diversity.

[@Mrpwocber]

It was wrong that we got beaten in schools and so called educated to devalue our mother tongues and cultures - this has brought too much confusion. However we can start correcting the colonial mindset.

[@ijoso]

Address as you may Luo-Langi are not Luo...