Kung Fu Panda 4 is a movie that exists

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[@purplecatloverrandompizza]

But WHY does he need to stop being the dragon warrior. Hes still young. Hes actually INCREDIBLY young for a kung fu master. Shifu has mentioned throughout the movies how FAST he is learning techniques, what takes other masters DECADES to learn and master he does in a few weeks/months

[@thepresidentjulius3820]

Come to think of it, how old is por anyway?, how Many years passed since the first movie?.

[@NervousOne466]

Am i wrong or its been said that dragon warrior is chosen once every thousand years in the first movie. Is It a plot hole then?

[@Joyscp999]

@@thepresidentjulius3820 he is at least 20

[@Joyscp999]

@@NervousOne466 no,in reality it is mostly true,ooway have lived like for hundreds of years

[@aff77141]

Yeah fr i can't get past that part. Specially with apparently 2 more movies set to be in the series??? Why not wait until the end at the least? Or make it a fleet sort of thing? I almost thought they were gonna do something interesting when she said "that magic would take the strength of TEN dragon warriors to break!" like imagine instead of just following tradition for traditions sake, a thing these movies tend to very much go against, they make a point about like 'there's a little dragon warrior in all of us, because it's your heart that makes you powerful/special/etc"

[@DistantKingdom]

the Chameleon had the combined strength of every past villian yet ironically felt weaker than all of them

[@Joyscp999]

i am impressed how they manage to do that

[@aff77141]

Somebody mentioned that she literally was taken down in two hits, and the only other times she has any sort of physical confrontations it's throwing people down stairs/off walls. That might've done it.

[@EEEEEEEE]

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[@jashinsdisciple8512]

She kind of was, I mean even though she was hyped to be the strongest, she didn't even fight any of the masters fairly. She SNUCK tai lung, kai and all the others. Like it would've been really cool if she fought one of them one on one and won but no!

[@barkyonyx962]

jack of all trades master of none moment

[@andrewclark7559]

No Furious Five. No Shifu. No backstory for the villains. No new plot or character development. They make the movie so short because they think children will not be able to watch it? Seriously? Children managed to watch the first 3!

[@afiqkhairul1446]

the children is us actually....GEN X and GEN Z

[@krisgeno8049]

​@@afiqkhairul1446 the film didn't have skibidi toilet, subway surfers and some random family guy clip simultaneously playing in the background so it failed miserably anyway.

[@HowlinWilf13]

And no Oogway!! I LOVE Master Oogway 🥰

[@armysan7903]

And who said only children will watch it .i am 100% sure that most of the audience are gonna be gen z or older

[@justaguywhowatchesyoutube5588]

What do you mean? All 3 movies were barely even 1 hour and 40 min long if you watch them separately!

[@PhieFty]

A kungfu panda movie without furious 5 That already sound wrong

[@TheSigmaCentral101]

Exactly. Why does po have to make new friends and adventures when we can get more in depth movie with his Freinds we already know. The Furious 5 keep a stable back on the plot of each movie while having them doing funny things.

[@AbstractVen0m]

@@TheSigmaCentral101i guess they might’ve thought that central idea was old and the 4th movie was a perfect time to add a new character. I guess it also make sense that since Po is picking a new dragon warrior, just like Oogway, he didn’t pick someone from the lineup and instead found somebody else more worthy. However, that only lines up with the plotholes of the movie like why does Po NEED to pick a new dragon warrior when he’s still so young.

[@cockatoo010]

They are there. As life-sized cardboard cutouts!

[@PhieFty]

@@cockatoo010 you make me spit my water

[@koreancowboy42]

And proceeds to make a nobody a dragon warrior with zero accomplishments or been taught any of Oogway or Sifu's ways that Po has experienced.

[@biodock2003]

This movie hyping up returning villains only for them to do nothing is a real Sonic Forces move

[@gregthehedgehog0956]

Yeah, that's what I'm getting here

[@EggFighterXB-]

Wrong. Metal Sonic and Zavok have boss battles, and there's also Episode Shadow (though you're right about Chaos regretfully). Kai and Shen do absolutely nothing and Tai Lung doesn't even confront Po.

[@theoverseer393]

They gave tai lung a good fight scene so I think they are good on that front

[@jitsauce522]

​@@EggFighterXB-They were severely underused and felt like an after thought, it sounds weird to say but even though they WERE used, they werent used in an interesting way that really justified bringing all of them back aside from trying to hype up a game.

[@user-xf4lb3cz3s]

​@@theoverseer393He beat up fodder idk if i'd say we're good Since he dissapears then comes back to take out the trash which was funny tho😂

[@theflickboy23]

"The most evil thing the Chameleon does is kick someone down the stairs." BRUH Shifu literally kicks Po down the endless stairs of the Jade Palace in the first movie 💀

[@ollie_raviollie]

And now he's on Pure Good wiki. Not heinous enough, is it?

[@jonahboris6681]

@@ollie_raviollie And I guess the Chameleon is on the pure evil wiki???

[@ollie_raviollie]

@@jonahboris6681 From what I've seen from the comments, her worst action on-screen was pushing someone downstairs. If that's the case, nope, not a chance.

[@cartoonishidealism582]

@@ollie_raviollie In the first two acts at least. Obviously she gets up to more evil shit in the third act, but for most of the movie she just has no presence. It’s like if you didn’t have those scenes of Kai taking out the Furious Five, and he just went straight to the panda village in the third act. So dull.

[@zrexy79s11]

I'd say the Chameleon is a Villainous Benchmark, I guess. She absolutely fails the standards to the previous three villains too much despite having no redeeming qualities. But, we'll see.

[@rafiqriduan4595]

If I were to describe the movie in one sentence it would be "The longest Kung Fu Panda Short"

[@alimations5226]

Imma plagiarize that thank you

[@MindlessMagic]

I don't really understand that, can you explain?

[@thedoggy480]

@@MindlessMagicNo

[@camoking3609]

​@MindlessMagic it means it feels less like a movie and more like a dvd special or an episode of one of the Kung Fu Panda spinoff TV shows

[@MindlessMagic]

@@camoking3609 Oh I was thinking he was talking about the KZbin or TikTok Short. Yeah it feels like something I would watch on the Legends of Awesomeness show.

[@Mozh644]

Poo fighting that sea creature at the beginning was more intense than his fight against chameleon. That's how bad the movie was

[@roo.pzz4380]

GENUINELY

[@sarcasmlol5874]

The most honest review 😂😂

[@kitsuujujitsuu4025]

That straight up isn't true lol

[@planetnymph8430]

Poo

[@tacolleyt6361]

I dont get the hate. I still enjoyed the movie.

[@niqdanish3479]

" i couldnt learn or be taught kungfu, cuz alot of masters said i was too smol" viper and mantis:.....

[@revan3852]

trueee

[@hamishstewart5324]

Master Chicken: BUCKAW!?

[@revol4372]

Shifu whos literally also a master:....

[@Zenslayer666]

Never understood that scene, i was scratching my head in confusion from beginning to end because nothing she said made sense like bro MANTIS, SNAKE AND SHIFU are martial artist and the bests and now the new fox girl wtf you mean nobody teached you because you're weak and small?! Are the writers even aware of their own characters now that they added in the SAME movie chameleon was in?!

[@thirteenforest3255]

no because tell me why they introduce an artifact at the beginning of the movie which was wielded by a master chipmunk... they literally invented a new small kung fu master for this film and then decided to be like 'nah, Chameleon couldn't learn because tiny'

[@joshcurry8527]

Tai Lung: Tests Po’s physical prowess Shen: Test’s Po’s mental prowess Kai:Tests Po’s spiritual prowess Chameleon: Tests the audience’s patience

[@imanuelc143]

4th breaking wall moment

[@jessemach5817]

Who agrees that this should've stayed a trilogy Edit: 1 and 2 are God tier, 3 is alright and 4 is totally a movie Also Edit:wow thanks for 400 likes I really appreciate it thank you

[@Decapitationtrain]

@@jessemach5817 should have stopped at two

[@timothysweezey1291]

Awkwafina's character tested my patience 😅

[@timothysweezey1291]

​@@Decapitationtrainthe third was way better than this

[@Agarthic]

Despite shen’s genocide, I must say, the chameleon is by far the most evil KFP villain as she imposes taxes on juniper city

[@EEEEEEEE]

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[@swyjix]

He tried to make me pay taxes….. Understandable,

[@Somirage143]

​@@swyjix This is why I'm loyal to Mr. House, atleast his capitalism tells you how much you owe instead of making you calculate it.

[@floof6896]

​@@Somirage143NEW VEGAS!!

[@jojojojojojojo-vh6my]

So that's why they killed her

[@passhoberry]

kfp4 feels like a watered down version of kfp2: - we gotta go to juniper city vs gongmen city - similar chase sequence escaping the villain’s henchmen - villain is a traditionally weaker animal whose power arises from a replacement for kung fu (chameleon = sorcery, shen = technology)

[@sannidhyadutta4204]

GOOD OBSERVATION

[@professordavidx6505]

chameleon = Stealing powers from Villains, Kai = Stealing Chi from evry Spiritual Master and every Master in China

[@LagendadeMalike]

There's even a hug scene from Zen to Po that echoes Tigress', with way less takes

[@gentleseal1778]

And also, both villains have the same large-scale, kinda-harebrained, army (the lizards and the wolfs)

[@gut853]

Lord Shen being right there, not even animated properly, and not saying a single word was probably the most disappointed I've ever been watching a movie.

[@maxpowers6738]

Apparently, he, Kai, and even the Furious Five were very last minutes to the film that the animators barely had time to animate them correctly. Also might explain why none of them spoke.

[@justaemptymall]

​​@@maxpowers6738 Dreamsworks probably realized that they had to put more work into the movie after Puss in Boots was a huge success, because they didn't expect their movies to succeed that much. A good change of hearts but it didn't work out for them unfortunately and they probably prioritize the Shrek saga and other movies more than Kung Fu Panda which is literally my most favorite with Shrek and how to tame your drago(Megamind also as stabdalone().

[@gut853]

@@maxpowers6738 At that point, I would have preferred the filmmakers just left all those characters out. They didn't show any of them in the trailers, so they technically could get away with it.

[@PhatBastard4677]

​@maxpowers6738 they could have saved time tho by not even animating Kai tho... since you know... his soul gets fucking obliterated at the end of the 3rd movie. Like not even just a physical death like Lord Shen but like his spirit gets overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude of the Dragon Warrior chi to the point where his soul explodes into spiritual fucking oblivion

[@TheRealBitterbub]

​@@maxpowers6738This, but the budget was intentionally much lower in comparison to the other KP films, likely owing to [one of] the reasons the budget was lower by such a margin.

[@jordanyoung1437]

I feel like they did Lord Shen dirty, he felt out of character and didn’t do anything

[@ryze_xspitez2920]

Yeah pretty outta character for him to not say shit 😂

[@joeman99983]

They did Tai Lung dirty as well. Bringing him back only to not have one single scene with his father.

[@kyleb7974]

Worst of all. Po’s Dad was in the same room as Shen. When we know damn well this man was on the verge of tears the last movie when he remembers how Shen took everything from him.

[@deathdefying1472]

Shen was done dirty. Shen would never bow to Po even if he saved his life

[@abhinavmj1613]

@@joeman99983 Yea its likes they included him and gave him some dialogue so people don't complain.

[@footymo9740]

They really want us to believe that the chameleon is the most dangerous villain, her most evil action is pushing people through the stairs, meanwhile shen committed a whole genocide towards pandas 😂

[@ramilplay7069]

Man, the previous antagonist (Kai) gets returned from dead and have ability to steal master's souls and then use them as he's henchmans, what they are trying to talking about?

[@Ebh55.]

Fr, if they really wanted her to be the most dangerous villain then they could have done a better job.

[@AbstractVen0m]

They could’ve made the movie so much more emotional or tense if they made Chameleon raid the Valley of Peace and injure civilians which would’ve directly hurt Po just as much as Shen because Po knew the people from the Valley while he barely knew his mother (I am not trying to downplay Po’s mother, her death is still the most sad death in the trilogy). However instead, they made her an all powerful being that just immediately loses, nothing else.

[@matthewquach2705]

It's almost as another form of media has had a MC who has done the same action as the chameleon but was far executed in a more brilliant way.

[@Ebh55.]

@@matthewquach2705 Which one?

[@someoneinasia]

the chameleon: i was rejected from every kung fu school bc of my size the writer forgets mantis and viper exist.

[@loganwallace101]

She's not even that small compared to mantis, about the size of shifu I'd say

[@SuperParkourio]

Maybe it's a regional thing. The Dragon Warrior isn't well known in the city, so the Furious Five might not be either. Those kung fu schools would likely have a different attitude toward small students if they knew more about Viper and Mantis.

[@someoneinasia]

or.. it's just bad writing. "The Furious Five (also known as the Five) is a quintet of skilled kung fu warriors famed throughout all of China"

[@snowpools8498]

It *could* make sense if it was already established in a previous movie about the struggles that they and shifu went through to learn kung fu, but this was just so out of left field it made 0 sense 😂

[@theunknowman12]

Its like the writer just choose to ignore the established kung fu panda lore. Did they forgot to double check the script or something?

[@TwilightChomperEnthusiast]

The thing that frustrates me the most is that Shen, Kai, and the Furious Five all have _no lines in the entire movie._ I’m betting it’s because they didn’t want to spend the money to cast the celebrities to voice act a few lines, but come on!

[@CoVault]

The film had a budget of 85 Million compared to the 150+M of the first three

[@BreadShowOfficial]

I think Kai had one line but yeah.

[@leithaziz2716]

Angelina Jolie, Seth Rogan and Jackie Chan were probably too much that they didn't wanna pay for. Edit: sorry, I must have gotten the Actors mixed up.

[@erenjaeger-qy3yq]

​@@leithaziz2716Scarlet?i guess its Angelina jolie

[@robertdelossantos5844]

@@leithaziz2716Angelina Jolie and Lucy Liu instead of Scarlett Johansson, plus David Cross, but yeah, this. It’s weird given Dreamworks early legacy was all about having star power in their VAs. Not saying the VAs nowadays are slouches but really says a lot in how the times are changing.

[@christophervazquez3525]

Shen: Commits Genocide. The Chameleon: Pushes someone down the stairs.

[@UltimateDespairado]

Bowser in the Mainline Mario games vs. the Spinoff Mario games

[@UltimateDespairado]

Or the original Grinch vs. the Illumination Grinch

[@chronicchronicling-jb8zz]

Matt Damon: Closes the farm down

[@marilaine9379]

Shen commits genocide in the first two minutes of the film and Chameleon doesn’t even show up until way later, and doesn’t do anything threatening until the end 😭

[@omarfaruq9233]

kai: wipes out oogway tai lung shifu all of furious 5 other then tigress master croc chicken and bear and nearly wiped out po and has a thrist of revenge of oogways changes from a military conqurer to a wise old kung fu master in kfp4 he does nothing he and shen do nothing atleast tai lung accepted that he wouldnt be dragon warrior Edit:Holy Hell My Replys Are Getting Some Attention Also Kai Is A Top 10 Dreamsworks Villian. And Btw my list is tai lung at 3 or 4 and shen is 1 Also Kung Fu Panda 4 Is Basically Toy Story 4 But Its Like 3x worse

[@Edselsmellswell]

The whole 30 second scene of the “who you choose to be” in kung fu panda 2 where they show Po’s progress is a million times more emotional and impactful than the whole of part 4 😢

[@bigchungus1848]

All of that kung fu stealing just to get two shotted by a panda 💀

[@anthonypuccini1914]

It's funny how a year ago after the release of The Last Wish, everyone was already claiming that Dreamworks has usurped Disney as the king of animation. Since then, Dreamworks has given us: Teenage Kraken Megamind 2 on Peacock And now Kung Fu Panda 4 Dreamworks has their fair share of masterpieces, but I think the lesson learned here is to not be too invested in a movie industry, Disney included. Because at the end of the day, Dreamworks is no different than Disney, in terms of it's a multi-billion dollar industry whose main goal is to make money.

[@LucasDiblasio]

That’s called capitalism.

[@HotCoals]

Dreamworks finally had the silver bullet, the golden opportunity, to achieve its mission: Defeat Disney Animation. And instead... Kung Fu Panda 4.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

​@@HotCoalsThey shot themselves with the silver bullet instead

[@ejumper_10]

Teenage Kraken wasn't that bad tbh

[@otherlego]

Hey they also gave us Orion and the dark (albeit it’s a Netflix only movie) and the trailer for the wild robot looks really good

[@hee_hee9964]

The Co-Director of the movie, Stephanie Mastine, had some amazing ideas. She said she wanted to make the movie truer to the first 2, and Jack Black himself said she brought actual depth and heart. Po would've had a vision of Shifu being kidnapped by the Chameleon, prompting Po to go on a quest to stop her. Despite his best efforts, she would've succeeded. This would've raised the stakes, displayed the Chameleon as a real threat, and allowed Shifu to be there at the end to say goodbye to Tai Lung. Stephanie also wanted Zhen's redemption to be more fleshed out, ensured it to have both dialogue and action, and for it to actually happen onscreen, much to the chagrin of the writers who just wanted her to swoop in out of nowhere to fight the Chameleon before quickly disappearing again. Meanwhile, the director of the movie, Mike Mitchell, wanted the movie to be more laughs and joke-y. He wanted Chameleon and Zhen to have ZERO backstory whatsoever, and by the time the crew convinced him that, you know, giving the main villain a backstory is kind of important, they were too late to do anything more than add in those few lines. Many crewmembers came up with ideas for Zhen's backstory, but they were all discarded. The film was made so short because they believed children couldn't watch a longer film, and also because they'd get more money. Guess which of these two guys they decided to give full creative freedom.

[@mohdamerulaidilbinrazisahm7317]

I never really liked Mike Mitchell. This guy managed to destroy not one but two animated movie franchises. This and Lego Movie

[@SwellStuff483]

If a fifth film does happen (and let’s be honest it probably will), DreamWorks would be wise to make her the sole director.

[@jlev1028]

Wow, f*** that guy. Never have him in charged of an animated production again.

[@nathankc4179]

Just found out about her role and really wish she had been in charge of the whole film. There was a lot about this film that could've worked and I realize that this movie had so much potential

[@necroavirus]

That is really really stupid. The fact that this guy thought making a joke movie is going to be great, tells you everything you need to know. Obviously you would be very serious when making a movie for a franchise like this. Can't believe this idiot ruined the movie. Seriously this movie had so much potential. The second director here had a great idea, fans too duh! It's really sad that a trash director ruined a movie that could've been legendary

[@JacksonLimeLeaf]

Tai Lungs backstory: I was meant to be the dragon warried but was denied the scroll Shens backstory: I used fireworks to make weapons which scared my parents into calling a fortune teller, the teller told me I'd be defeated so I genocided the pandas to stop it from happening Kais backstory: I wanted to harness all of chi to become stronger so my best friend stopped me which only drove my motivation to steal all the past warriors chi's Chameleons backstory: They called me short :(

[@Slash4747]

LMAOOOO

[@marcusgabriel8365]

Tai Lung’s introduction: *Seen being the sole prisoner of a place in the middle of the mountains while also escaping said prison.* Shen’s introduction: *Shows us the progress of his conquest of his city by having him make weapons with his army and killing one kung fu master and imprisoning the other two.* Kai’s introduction: *Fights Master Oogway and wins while implying to us that he’s beaten all previous masters in the afterlife including the other two mentioned.* Chameleon’s introduction: “I raised taxes and kicked someone down some stairs. FEAR ME!”

[@matthewquach2705]

​​@@marcusgabriel8365 Chameleon's conflict of not being a kung fu master because she was short is ridiculous cuz of viper and mantis. Also the fact her horrific act is pushing someone down the stairs feels like the director had no clue as to how to write her character.

[@webmasterwidow953]

I read someone else’s comment that instead of her reason for turning to villainy, they should have made her have just really fragile bones like a real chameleon and therefore NEED to turn to magic. I also think they should have made her a villain that tests Po’s intelligence and strategic ability by making her politically and mentally really strong, something we have seen Viola Davis do in Amanda Waller. Also, I think she should have somehow stole Po’s staff, using Awkwafina’s character, because of how powerful it is, and mixed with her magic she could have resurrected the past villains and have them under her control with the promise of taking revenge on Po (but they wouldn’t be as powerful since she isn’t stupid and wouldn’t resurrect them at their most powerful so that any of them could beat her). Now, with the staff and the other previous villains under her control, she could convince the country that they don’t need the dragon warrior, or something to that effect. Awkwafina’s character would feel bad and turn over and help Po in trying to get the staff back. Then, in order to test his new sage knowledge, Po would have to convince each past villain to fight alongside him and even have moments of hearts to heart with them (especially Tai Lung), maybe even have a small training montage as they try to get back the power that the Chameleon took from them, then they all use their strengths in order to take down the Chameleon with the staff, this would end the story with Po seeing the past villains off as they return to the spirit world, put in a touching moment between Shifu and Tai Lung and I think that would have been interesting. Of course, this also isn’t perfect as I just made it up in like 5-10mins but tweaked and more fleshed out that would have been much better than what we got I think. We get to see the past villains, touching moments with Tai Lung, the Chameleon gets to become apart of the roster as a good villain who can stand with the rest, Po learns how to be more sage-like, and maybe awkwafina will be less annoying

[@webmasterwidow953]

Wow just realized how long this comment was lmao sorry y’all

[@InevitableOption-ic2vx]

​@@webmasterwidow953nah, don't feel bad. At least you're not one of those guys who write an overly long paragraph with no spaces at all. Anyway, this genuinely sounds more interesting than what the actual film gave us. I genuinely thought that this was going to be what the real thing was.

[@NateDoesYT]

@@InevitableOption-ic2vx Agreed, these types of comments are pretty underrated imo, because of how bad our generation is, our attention spans been fucked, this comment really is one of the interesting ones I've seen.

[@justyouraverageaj8675]

I feel like the Chameleon’s powers perfectly represent the quality of this movie: it can imitate the appearance, but can’t replicate the technique

[@XiELEd4377]

Damn,

[@cloppypants3819]

Spitting fr

[@ItzJupiter]

bars gahdamn

[@axolotlempire8947]

bro has a way with words

[@brAvOtIsm07]

Straight fax

[@MoonWielder]

I just wished Shifu and Tai Lung made amends at the very least. He could've tagged along with Po and talked things out with his old student.

[@cristalmagic8664]

I feel like the chameleon should have had the staff much earlier and then all the villains could have a big role, Shifu arriving with Po and the Furious 5 to support him in the final battle or something.

[@kaputt_jay3873]

That's what I wanted. A talk between the two of them would've been so satisfying.

[@possessedpicklejar4762]

I would’ve liked a hesitant but necessary team up between Po and Tai-lung, but that’s just speculating on a different movie that coulda happened instead of this one

[@lavendermarshmallowplant3229]

Yeah, they already decided they were going to make him good here, at least give him that.

[@arf3433]

That woulda been so good 😔

[@seanical1694]

Chameleon felt very villain-of-the-week, and Po kept calling it out too! Predicted Chameleon was in the doom fortress overlooking the city, recited Chameleon's plan to her face, etc.

[@WalkinStereotype]

This film fails in so many ways, but Aquafina is getting the Chris Pratt paradox, where the more successful an actor you are and the more gigs you get, the worse of an actor you are in being able to convince the audience of your voice belonging to a character

[@funnyhappystudios]

“Po’s greatest enemy” my ASS. Logically, it would be Shen since he has a major role in Po’s past. The Chameleon was half baked before she even came out of the oven

[@ruchampsajaksra6172]

and tai lung is literally a wicked version of po duh, something like yin yang

[@SkateFromZero]

technically most things are half baked before they come out of the oven…

[@abhinavmj1613]

Shen did not even get a damn word to say bruh.

[@UltimateDespairado]

@@ruchampsajaksra6172 Tai Lung is the dreamworks equivalent of Anakin Skywalker or Darth Vader

[@numbersbubble]

all they had to do was have a chi resistant elephant army that uses technology attack the valley of peace. furious 5 distract leader and army, Po fights the leader. elephant army came across the sea, opening up more lore for other civilizations. po picks tiger as new dragon warrior

[@maddie_sarver]

I can't wait for Schaffrillas to tear into Megamind 2.

[@rawanalahmed8086]

That will be fun

[@theyellowman9271]

Mima

[@OJorEm]

Wait, there's a Megamind 2?!?!

[@maddie_sarver]

@@OJorEm Yes. It's Vs Doom Syndicate it's right on Peacock

[@OJorEm]

@@maddie_sarver Oh so it's not a movie... And omg rly 0% on Rotten Tomatoes -

[@MrBrineplays_]

Dreamworks works like a dream. Most times you have shitty dreams that absolutely make no sense, then there's that one dream with the most well-written storylines, good plot, and it makes so much sense and has deep meaning. Gotta love dreamworks.

[@doma5992]

Nah its reversed, DreamWorks has really good movies in past same as puss in boots but.....nah this year they made one of the worst movies ever

[@bakutie]

kung fu panda can no longer be called a perfect trilogy because of this movie existing and im fucking pissed

[@Ebh55.]

Just pretend that this movie doesn't exist.

[@HowlinWilf13]

Thanks for saying it! I'm f*****g p****d too!! What a crashing disappointment.

[@whiskeywolfgang]

The third one was ass too, it was never a perfect trilogy. Should've stopped at 2

[@LuisGustavoSO]

​@@whiskeywolfgang"not amazing" and "it was ass" are 2 different things. Almost everyone will agree that the 3rd one was the weakest but still a good movie and a necessary closure.

[@newtwo9708]

@@whiskeywolfgang The third one was good though

[@sethiverson2575]

The Last Wish set our hopes up too high. It feels like a lightning in a bottle situation for this studio.

[@amyvasquez4268]

Another thing that made people hype up Dreamworks way too much was that not only was PiB2 a masterpiece, but another really good movie in the Bad Guys came right before. This, combined with that year being absolutely abysmal for Disney, made people put the studio on a pedestal as the new animation god when nothing changed after that

[@Dora-xi5ob]

Yall hypocrites! Ruby Gilman, Trolls 3, Orion and the Dark, Megamind 2, and this are all underwhelming; and y’all are still patient and support DreamWorks. But when Disney release Strange World (only a year after Encanto) y’all all lost y’all’s minds saying that Disney is running out of ideas

[@Dora-xi5ob]

Yall hypocrites! Ruby Gilman, Trolls 3, Orion and the Dark, Megamind 2, and this are all underwhelming; and y’all are still patient and support DreamWorks. But when Disney release Strange World (only a year after Encanto) y’all all lost y’all’s minds saying that Disney is running out of ideas

[@blueflare3848]

It’s Dreamworks. They’re known for producing absolute bangers. They’re still doing better than Disney.

[@malikrobinson9922]

Thank u

[@thejurassicking3817]

Dreamworks is the most unpredictable company out there. Like you know what Disney or Illumination movies are gonna be like but Dreamworks on Monday will make Puss and Boots The last Wish and on Tuesday they make Megamind and the doom syndicate.

[@bilhelm000]

Sony Pictures Animation, going from the Emoji Movie to Spider-Verse in one year: *hold my beer*

[@AnimeMemez78]

I mostly blame peacock

[@kakao-katze]

I don’t think Dreamworks the studio was involved in the creation of the Doom syndicate other than the dealing with IP kind of stuff and all. Granted, I’ve not yet looked into it, but I’m pretty damn sure the movie division would have no part in creation of a tie in film for a Peacock animated series. I can’t find myself getting annoyed at the existence of the “film” because of this (keep in mind, I haven’t seen it) as the only thing I can reasonably hate it for is having the capacity to diminish the quality of the IP and souring an otherwise brilliant film. Actually, scratch that, the real thing I can find myself getting angry at is how they sHOULD HAVE MADE A REAL SEQUEL and actually cater to the audience that loves Megamind already! Well, so long as they invested in talented artists. I’m sure they would have gotten a pretty good return if they actually remembered what marketing is.

[@maxyger7566]

@@kakao-katze Joel Crawford directing Megamind 2 would’ve been totally awesome

[@chessecontainment]

Chaotic neutral

[@UserdVidas]

I think they should maybe do a time skip where Po is older and maybe more experienced... And so he can actually give advice. As explanation they should add like a intro of what Po experienced in the time skip.

[@HowlinWilf13]

Yeah, like with Oogway's adventures with his buddy Kai in KFP3! And Po could've mastered some of the mind-blowing kung fu that Oogway possessed, like when Oogway stopped Tai Lung leaping for the Dragon Scroll, or when he fought General Kai in the Spirit Realm. There was so much potential in this franchise for another outstanding chapter in the story, but they blew it. Massive disappointment.

[@InevitableOption-ic2vx]

​​@@HowlinWilf13I'd see that flashback montage being an homage to the first films opening with Po's dream but it obviously being real and showing all he's been doing since the third film. He and the Furious Five are middle aged now, Shifu, Li Shan (Po's real dad) and Mr. Ping are on their deathbeds or already dead, and that realization of his mortality is what pushes Po to find new successors for himself and the Furious Five instead of someone telling him what to do instead like in the actual film.

[@Randomslipknotfan515]

I was going to see this in theaters, but then the theater had a power outage.

[@tylere.8436]

Got a refund for that?

[@Randomslipknotfan515]

@@tylere.8436 I think so, I don’t really remember

[@ultranova7515]

​@idontexist579 even though I did enjoy it, I say that was divine intervention

[@metal_pipe9764]

I know it's a meme, but Po discovering crack could've made for a better film than the one we got

[@not_a_shroom7190]

LMAO

[@pitchblackawesome]

Tbf I think Jack Blacks veins naturally produces his own brand of cocaine. I mean this as a compliment, Jack is very animated lol.

[@kaputt_jay3873]

No fr. Like, get this: When he first trained to become the Dragon Warrior, Po was forced to take a sacred oath in which he promised not to engage in any sort of drug-related behaviour. But one day, he accidentally has crack, thinking it's powdered sugar (because he definitely eats plain powdered sugar). And he loves it. Po is forced to deal with his addiction in secret, with the Furious Five and Shifu wondering why the hell he's always tripping. Eventually, he's caught by a citizen, and society shuns him when the news spreads. Po flees the city, ashamed and having lost all confidence in himself. He tries to off himself, but instead of dying, he loses consciousness and has a vision where he's back in the spirit realm. After a talk with Oogway (because we need our turtle words of wisdom) and POSSIBLY some of the other villains who have also engaged in crack-related mishaps, Po realizes that he has to return to the village, and that one mistake does not define who he is as a person. He wakes up, and with a new resolve sets off for home. Of course, not everyone is willing to accept him, but the Furious Five forgive him, with Monkey admitting that he also broke the drug oath on several occasions. And in the end, that's all the acceptance Po needed.

[@sandyr5407]

Cocaine Bear: Dreamworks Edition

[@HotCoals]

After a lifetime of idolising heroes and kungfu, Po is finally where he's always wanted to be. The Dragon Warrior, the master of Kung Fu and hero of the valley. But, as time goes on, and the reality from the past 4 movies set it, he finds his heart's just not in it anymore. So anyways, the British arrive. Po and the Furious Five, along with the kung fu masters of China, fend off the British invasion (the British are like bulldogs, owls, and deer maybe). When the British are forced back by the sheer power of Kung Fu, they realise that, in order to take China, they need to weaken their resolve. Po, already subdued on Kung Fu, becomes disillusioned after the tragedies he's seen in the British/Chinese war. A clever fox (still played by Aquafina, why not?) offers Po something to take the edge off: Opium. The high he gets is great, the greatest thing he's felt in a long time. Slowly, he and much of the Valley of Peace, succumb to the numbing effects of this new drug. When the British come back, they're met with far less resistance, and colonise China. To ensure their continued rule, they push the Opium onto the remaining sober kung fu warriros. It isn't until Po meets with the spirit of Nancy Reagan that he learns to say no to drugs. He, along with Tigress and the drug dealing fox (who, again, is still Aquafina, and also learns that drugs are bad), convinces everyone to put down the Opium pipe and instead pick up a Bible. Then Po sca-dooshes the King of England, and China is saved.

[@Mr.Giegue]

Kung Fu Panda:Body. Kung Fu Panda 2:Mind. Kung Fu Panda 3:Spirit. Kung Fu Panda 4:Scuttlebutt.

[@BBPapercraftII]

Intellect? I think?

[@Mr.Giegue]

@@BBPapercraftII Well,Probably.🤔

[@zaiidtrazo3042]

Kung Fu Panda 4:Fox

[@user-xf4lb3cz3s]

KFP 4: Smoke a packa day keeps the fans away

[@notgreatgale]

Kung Fu Panda 4: ...well, we gotta get more money for our actual good movies somehow-

[@nakumezm1369]

The fact that they weren't willing to pay the voice actors of the furious five and the other villians but they were willing to pay Mr. Beast for a one second cameo 💀

[@tonyhawksproskater2406]

You don't get paid for a cameo mate

[@abnorma1l892]

To be fair with the animation style, puss in boots was finished when KFP4 was already well into its animation development

[@joeman99983]

The fact that Tai Lung doesn't have a single scene with Shifu, especially getting a redemption, is absolutely ridiculous.

[@torpid5092]

Fr, they made Tai Lung so sympathetic in the first movie that he nearly forgave Shifu and (even though logically he would’ve been sent to prison again) he could’ve rejoined Shifu and the Furious Five If you’re gonna bring Tai Lung back at least give us some kind of closure

[@leithaziz2716]

mfw you waste one of Dreamwork's best antagonists. I love Shen's monstrosity, but Tai Lung has that "complex relationship with his mentor/father-figure" archetype I find very fascinating.

[@DanielKyreMcNutt]

IDC CUZ IM BUSY MAKING BANGERS 🔥🔥 .!

[@nimbostratus1162]

he was very out-of-character. his dialogue with Po was... bad. it did not at all feel like something Tai Lung would say, no matter how much his time in the spirit realm might've mellowed him out. we're probably lucky that Shen and Kai had no lines.

[@cristalmagic8664]

I feel like the villains should have been introduced from the beginning or in the first few minutes, so they had screen time and it didn't feel so rushed or cheap.

[@DeadBaron]

I thought he was already a master, now all of a sudden he's portrayed as a bumbling student again? Dreamworks just milking the franchise instead of being creative....

[@user-mz9xo3hx1h]

He isn't portrayed as a bumbling student

[@Colopty]

@@user-mz9xo3hx1h Previous movies ends with Shifu acknowledging Po as an equal and fully fledged master of kung fu who he himself has something to learn from. This movie begins with Shifu making Po's career decisions for him and treating him like a problematic student, with Po acting the part.

[@cockatoo010]

Shrek flashbacks. They always do that with any successful film they make

[@gruffcube]

The chameleon tried to invade the planet after getting rejected from kung fu school. this sounds familiar

[@user-zw3on4bx2t]

You could say it's. . . MEGA familiar.

[@SB-yv8uf]

For the fact they gave the buddy-father arc such incredible amount of screentime it did very little to nothing in the overall plot. Cutting the Five out is possible, but then dont include two characters which hog so much time and contribute nothing to the story.

[@RandomPerson-sf9vd]

Tai Lung: ravages a town in pursuit of a sense of purpose. Lord Shen: Commits genocide in pursuit of power. Kai: attempts to become a god because of revenge. Chameleon: pushes a guy down the stairs because reasons.

[@user-xf4lb3cz3s]

Girlboss moment *slaaaaaay 💅💫*

[@sandyr5407]

She kicked him down the stairs as an elephant because he was just badmouthing her. 😂

[@nagisamomoe125]

C L O T H E S

[@amyvasquez4268]

It’s especially hilarious cuz my favorite video game’s main, terrifying conflict is driven by someone pushing someone down the stairs

[@pepearown4968]

You have to love how she doesn’t even have an actually unique name like the first three. Imagine if Shen was just Albino Peacock, and that was what everyone called the genocidal maniac that served as the main villain for 2.

[@PizzaLover429]

Jack Black singing "Baby One More Time" at the end credits was undoubtedly the best part of this movie. It was the only moment that brought a smile to my face.

[@DanielKyreMcNutt]

IDC CUZ IM BUSY MAKING BANGERS 🔥🔥 .!

[@sandyr5407]

Personally, I didn't like it. It's not because of Jack Black, it's just the choice of the song. A Britney Spears' cover? Really? Just because it has the word "hit" in it doesn't mean it makes sense for Kung Fu Panda.

[@Alucard2091]

The cover overall is disconnected to the image KFP end-credits. @@sandyr5407

[@joshuaW5621]

I wonder what Britney would think of it.

[@Frogcoven]

Same my friends and I were rocking out to that song. Was the most joy we got out of the whole film ngl.

[@hill280]

when he said "negated by the existence of Mantis and Viper" I....assume it's a play on race

[@gino0433]

The fact Kai was so desperate to get out the spirit realm in the third film only to WILLINGLY wander back in at the end of this one makes no sense

[@MetallicDeviant]

This film had so many production issues that its a miracle that this film exists at all.

[@aff77141]

A miracle I would've rather not happened

[@Dr.Oofers]

@@aff77141What would’ve been a miracle is if the movie came out actually great despite the issues.

[@ramilplay7069]

This should have been released, KFP 3 was finale

[@diranbodossian6061]

Convinced Awkwafina has some serious dirt on several film producers with how much work she's getting against our will

[@hunterolaughlin]

She did fine in The Bad Guys. She can actually be good if you give her the right script or stop typecasting her as the annoying comic relief. If anything you should be grateful that at least she’s not like James Corden.

[@Birdyboys]

@@hunterolaughlinI’m going to be controversial and say James Gordon’s voice was a lot more tolerable than hers

[@timburtonsdandruff]

​@@Birdyboys James Corden's voice is actually pretty relaxing, ngl.

[@Chazza-01]

​@Birdyboys sometimes the controversial opinion is the correct opinion. I can't stand her voice.

[@AvalynTheAccursed]

@@hunterolaughlin Yeah, people gotta stop acting like it's all her fault lmao. She's fine. I do not understand the Awkwafina hate boner everyone has. Kung Fu Panda 4 wasn't good, but I fail to understand how that's HER fault specifically.

[@TheCodingHat]

I saw the AD with a fart joke and knew we were in for a ride

[@SuperParkourio]

Remember how Kung Fu Panda 2 began with the villain committing genocide then killing someone point-blank with a cannon? Well, the Chameleon pushed a guy down some stairs. Now his arm's broken. That's just demented.

[@armageddon7432]

this movie is good for one reason: jack black singing brittany spears

[@Duckless137]

Brittany Spears automatically makes any production a 10/10. That’s how my theatre team copes with our loss

[@tweettweetyweety]

@@Duckless137 Errr

[@mcrain1283]

hanz zimmer soundtrack amazing too...

[@thelazyartist_2649]

​​@@mcrain1283 it's always the soundtracks that prevail 😮‍💨

[@doodlederp2546]

Fr that cover went insanely hard

[@jasonbrose6743]

I find it funny that the chameleon was a walmart Kai. She only took power from the dead , unlike Kai who stole from both the living and the dead. She didn’t even get to absorb oogway.

[@Maribro4]

My wife and I went to see this and thought this movie actually had great potential. She had a fantastic idea that only seemed better after discussing it at length. Make Tai Lung the main supporting character. If they were going to bring Tai Lung back, this movie should've been a Po and Tai Lung adventure. Dying and chilling in the spirit world would've been a good catalyst for the start of his character arc. It could've led to some really fun dynamic between the two because of their personalities. Like you know Tai Lung would definitely make a quip about Po killing him. But more interestingly, we couldve seen Shifu and Tai Lung meet again! Like seriously think about the emotional gut punch a scene like that could've been. Kung Fu Panda is very comedic, but they always have at leasg one really powerful emotional scene, which this movie honestly lacked. Tai Lung and Shifu reconnecting would've been that scene. Also it would've been really poetic if Tai Lung was chosen to be the next dragon warrior. It'd be coming full circle and in my opinion really narratively satisfying. It'd be Po fulfilling his job as a new spiritual leader to help Tai Lung fulfill his spiritual journey and finally become qualified to be dragon warrior. Because honestly that's what Tai Lung lacked. He had all the skill to become the dragon warrior, but he didn't have the right mindset for it. He learned the secret of the dragon scroll in the first movie, and literally threw it away. Working to achieve that spiritual peace of mind and acceptance would've been a fantastic redemption arc for Tai Lung.

[@isauldron4337]

I know, right? Tai lung got robbed

[@natto4now]

>Aquafina >no furious five Yeah I wonder why I wonder wonder why I don't wanna be mean but legit Aquafina has kinda become a sign that a movie will probably not be good She's good but you know

[@leeminhyung167]

Funny enough I think comedy isn’t actually her strong suit. She was good in The Farewell, but I find when she does comedy movies, she just isn’t funny

[@mandalorianhunter1]

​@@leeminhyung167even I'm starting to get tired of her, I thought okay with Shang-Chi, but now it's outta of hand.

[@natto4now]

@@leeminhyung167 legit same I think she was good in that an Hollywood tried to jump at the chance an started putting her in everything Like how they saw the rock and Kevin hart were good together so they made a bunch of stuff that got old fast

[@donovanlocust1106]

​@@leeminhyung167so she's like Adam Sandler?

[@PosiWritesStories]

She’s in the Bad Guys which I quite liked

[@Mr.Giegue]

*IN THAT YEAR:* "There's no Easter Bunny,there's no Tooth Fairy...and there's no unnecessary sequels to classic and acclaimed Dreamworks franchises." •Tighten.

[@hunterolaughlin]

What? No “There is no Queen of England”? It’s technically true now that the Queen passed away 2 years ago.

[@junk2040]

@@hunterolaughlinr/whoosh

[@piotrfijoek1095]

Ironic, how the line from Megamind paraphrased, the classic Dreamworks animation, says a lot about current Dreamworks work.

[@pepearown4968]

Ironic that you quoted a line from a movie that just got torn to shreds with its sequel

[@dibby9420]

"There's a scene late in this film that's just complete bullshit, and if you've seen the movie I think you'll know which one I'm talking about." Do you understand how little that narrows it down.

[@isauldron4337]

I think schaff means Chameleon saying no one taught her because she was small

[@Beegsire]

We got Kung Fu Panda 1-3. And then this. At this point I can't tell if we live in the right timeline or not.

[@KingCoreyFTW]

I walked out of the theater slumped over with my face scraping across the floor

[@alexmac8246]

Same, bruh, when I left the theater, I wondered "and this is what we've been waiting for for 8 years"

[@jaredwalker3960]

@@alexmac8246I haven't even watched the movie yet, and the way you described the experience afterwoods I was like *"I ain't goin back!"*

[@mihovils7341]

Worst thing in the 4th movie was that it ruined the message in the 3rd movie. In 3rd movie Shifu says kung fu isn't just kicking and punching and Po says he doesn't want to be more than he is, then in the end Po learns to become more than he is, than in 4th movie Shifu AGAIN says kung fu isn't just kicking and punching and Po says he doesn't want to be more than he is. It's like nothing was learned in 3rd movie.

[@meghanrodriguez2393]

For real! What was what?! A better lesson would've been accepting change and learning how to face it, whether it being good or bad. Po has to choose the new Dragon Warrior and start training them. He could be worried of choosing the wrong future Dragon Warrior, afraid of creating the next Tai Lung. And/Or worried of not fulfilling his next role as good as Master Oogway. Yet, despite not wanting to leave his role as the Dragon Warrior, the role he's the most comfortable now, he still attempts to take the next step, despite how scared or uncertain he feels.

[@benfrank9622]

RIGHT, the lore gone sheeet.

[@kyleb7974]

No matter how much people put down the 3rd movie. The 4th movie just cannot disregard it like that.

[@miguelandresforerodelgadil3059]

​@@meghanrodriguez2393And u know? IIRC correctly that's a storyline from the tv series, with Tai Lung's nephew, and it worked quite well

[@meghanrodriguez2393]

@@miguelandresforerodelgadil3059 Really? That's so cool! I guess I have to rewatch the Kung Fu Panda series lol

[@anarchohelenism]

This movie has the vibe of a straight to streaming movie that got a last minute budget update

[@ominousintrusivethoughts3947]

Alternate idea for a plot line: Po is used to being a “star” as the dragon warrior and shifu has to teach him not to do that anymore but compared him to oogway too much. Shifu would say something along the lines of “being a leader is not a matter of fame but a matter of respect, that’s something that oogway had that you don’t” And that would piss po off and he would start being rough to people and slowly become more violent, and in the end he would realize that he just has to find peace with the people and earn respect by helping them, even in non-action oriented ways And you could alter the chameleon and make it so she takes the deeper monster within you and transforms into that, making po have to realize that peace in order to defeat her

[@BRW667]

Can confirm, it does exist

[@fantaguyreal]

Don't translate... भवतः हृदयस्य धड़कनं कतिपयेषु घण्टेषु स्थगयिष्यति, अस्य शापस्य मुक्तिं प्राप्तुं एकमात्रं मार्गं मम चैनलस्य सदस्यतां कुर्वन्तु……….

[@supercelllover7695]

Got any proofs?

[@malmart0]

Yeah, it really does! I saw advertisements😱

[@sidneyc7370]

Sad times,truly sad times

[@NedIsForever]

@@fantaguyrealthat report button looking real juicy

[@SevenDeadlyPuns]

The fact that Tai Lung, Shen, and Kai only showed up for about a minute in an hour and a half long movie says a lot.

[@jordanyoung1437]

What’s more is that given the ending of KFP3 General Kai shouldn’t be there because his spirt was obliterated by too much chi

[@UltimateDespairado]

Nostalgia bait?

[@leithaziz2716]

Actually wait, I thought Kai died? I guess they changed their minds on that.

[@MinisterChicken]

@@jordanyoung1437and Shen shouldn’t have gone there in the first place I thought it was implied that not everyone was sent to the spirit realm, you have to have inner peace before you die, or get sent there directly from techniques like the finger hold Shen died by getting crushed by a cannon, not having found peace in the slightest

[@SupremeCelestialKing]

It's entirely possible inner piece isn't needed? (Shen is a jade on Kai in the third movie, indicating He beat them both in the spirit realm as he hadn't yet escaped) However Kai showing up doesn't work because he was overloaded on a spiritual level. Unless the Chameleon can use concepts (and i..I'm pretty sure they can't) its just an oversight I assume.

[@Giga_Joe]

This was the only movie i watched were i had to physically look away from the screen to catch a break like it was so rushed that i was getting a headache

[@lucialambda]

movie felt like the story was at least partially ai generated lol

[@ShadyPaperclips]

the animation somehow looks more stiff than the first movie yet the visuals look better. it's so weird

[@ScooterCat64]

Better technology but less polish

[@SkylerDemness]

The color usage is really generic and boring, compared to the beautiful contrasts in 2nd and 3rd film. It doesn't feel like a King Fu Panda film at times.

[@Birdyboys]

Half the budget of the first 3 movies

[@tiablue9106]

ikr? I felt like the expressions were kinda lacking. just a bit but still. it's a shame the budget was so small bc it rlly showed in some areas

[@mohdamerulaidilbinrazisahm7317]

They have a mid budget this time

[@kingsleycy3450]

I am going to give Kung Fu Panda the Toy Story treatment: one of the greatest animated trilogies with a fourth film we don’t talk about

[@melodysmusicaladventures596]

Glad to see it’s not just me who hates Toy Story 4

[@cristalmagic8664]

Dreamworks made the same mistake as its rival, a fourth installment that stained the saga, the truth is I thought they would never continue the saga and if they did it could be from other characters like the furious 5.

[@stormyd1869]

Didn't Schaff actually rank Toy Story #10 in his Pixar rating-?

[@user-gw3bs2in5i]

Eh, Toy Story 4 isn't nearly as bad ngl

[@suspiciousstar7547]

Yup.

[@thecinnabard]

Po was the Dragon warrion for maybe a couple years before Shifu kinda forced him to give up his role. Like he just got started☠️

[@of1564]

Are people still saying that Dreamworks doesn't fuck up? Megamind 2. Kung Fu Panda 4. The Trolls franchise. That movie of the Kraken Teenager? (Truning Red is everything that movie failed to be)

[@zrexy79s11]

Yeah, why people say Kraken is better than Turning Red is beyond me. That movie had jokes. The former was cliche.

[@of1564]

@@zrexy79s11 And easily forgetable.

[@agusnicoletti3051]

People are so desperate to find the one studio that can "dethrone Disney" that everytime someone else makes a good movie, they build a freaking monument around them. Dreamworks has always been the hit or miss type, with some masterpieces (like Puss in Boots 2 or the Kung Fu Panda *trilogy*), some pretty good movies (like the Madagascar trilogy) and some of the most generic stuff ever made (like the ones you mentioned)

[@user-zw3on4bx2t]

​@@agusnicoletti3051 and some genuine pieces of crap, like Shark Tale and Shrek the Third.

[@user-zw3on4bx2t]

​@@zrexy79s11 id rather watch something cliche (which, fun fact, I really like Ice Age 4) than what I genuinely believe to be the worst Pixar movie ever.

[@connorh7088]

The thing is, the story could have been really good and it would have been an easy fix: 1.) Have the Chameleon resurrect Tai Lung and steal his kung fu but have Tai Lung escape from her fortress. 2.) Po finds Tai Lung powerless in the world and realizes that he is the only one who can show him where the Chameleon is hiding and how to get into her fortress, since he just escaped from there. Also, Tai Lung would realize that Po is the only one powerful enough to defeat the Chameleon and restore his kung fu, so the two of them form a temporary and reluctant alliance. At least, it would be reluctant on Tai Lung's part. 3.) As the two go on their adventure throughout the movie, Po and Tail Lung start to bond and learn more about each other. Po learns how Tai Lung never believed in himself and is actually insecure. He believes that if he is anything not the Dragon Warrior, himself, then he is not enough. Since this was Po's character arc in the first movie, Po would understand this insecurity more than anyone and would help Tai Lung to accept himself and obtain inner peace. This would also tie into Po's journey as a spiritual leader. 4.) As Tail Lung is without his kung fu, the thing that he thought gave any kind of value, he would be forced to grow and find ways that he can help Po without violence and force. For instance, Tai Lung is charismatic and cunning, he could help Po think their way through certain situations and maybe pursuad the criminals in the movie to join their team. This would further help Tai Lung to value himself and see himself as something more then just a weapon. 5.) Tai Lung gets his kung fu back during the final battle with the Chameleon and he fights alongside Po and we would see in their fighting styles that, while Po and Tai Lung are essential opposites of each other, they are also compliments to each other. Tai Lung is the Yin to Po's Yang. 6.) After the Chameleon is defeated, Tai Lung finally accepts himself and realizes that he has no reason to stay in the mortal realm and returns to spirit realm, with the Chameleon in tow. Before parting ways, Tai Lung shows respect to Po and thanks him, much like the actual movie. Case and point: if they replaced Zhen with Tai Lung this would have been a better movie.

[@fernthaisetthawatkul5569]

you just came up with a better story in a few minutes than most of hollywood today could come up with

[@jaideepshekhar4621]

WHY are we treated to such sub standard stories when literally ANYBODY can come up with an amazing one? 😭

[@desmo-ciel]

How'd you come up with a way better KFP4 story that fast?

[@Divinegoldenlight]

You perfectly portrayed Po not as the student but the teacher, acknowledging the past 3 movies very nicely while giving Tai Lung a redemption arc. And also making Chameleon and actual villian. I give it a 100/10!

[@amir_all07]

Masterpiece!

[@googamp32]

Sometimes I think Puss In Boots 2 was an anomaly for DreamWorks. Movies like this only serve to reinforce that notion.

[@PaulW_ftPAULK]

Well part of that was because it went through development hell and took a decade to make. So that definitely affected *a lot*.

[@test-ti1xj]

"PIB2’s success was most likely due to Bob Persichetti, the original director of The Last Wish, the guy who came up with the plot and the hook along with Guillermo Del Toro (Puss on his last life). The reason why they have stepped animation is because Bob brought that influence from his time working on Into the Spider-Verse. It was not Joel Crawford. Bob was also the one who conceived the Wolf/Death character. But DreamWorks let Bob go because they thought his vision was too dark (they thought Wolf was too scary, a terrible villain). The story was basically complete when the new directors took over The Last Wish. The heart was already there because of Bob, the new directors just added more comedy on top of it. But yeah basically, the current DreamWorks execs don’t know what they’re doing. They lucked out with Bob but let him go because they didn’t understand the talent they had in him. Ruby Gillman Teenage Kraken, Trolls 3( Orion and the Dark, KFP4… that’s all Margie Cohn and Kristin Lowe. You can see how their sensibilities have affected all of the movies they’ve approved. If KFP4 is a bad movie, it’s on Mike Mitchell; the writers, and these execs."

[@valentinkambushev4968]

I adore The last wish, but I can't lie, I think one of the reasons it's so beloved is because nobody expected it to be good. Look me in the (metaphorical) eye and tell me that when watching the trailer, you weren't thinking "At least the animation will be good".

[@justincruz5720]

@@test-ti1xjWhere is this quoted from?

[@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511]

No solo para Dreamworks para Hollywood

[@edim108]

It honestly feels like all these recent Dreamworks movies, except Puss in Boots, had hefty levels of higher-ups involvement. Like people working on Puss in Boots were only allowed the level of creative freedom they had bc the studio had these "guaranteed moneymakers" like Kung Fu Panda on the way so even if the movie flopped it wouldn't be a financial disaster for the studio. Then it turned out that Puss in Boots had a nearly half a billion dollar box office and getting nominated for the Oscars. Kung Fu Panda 4 will make Dreamworks money bc it's Kung Fu Panda...

[@somerobloxdude3699]

Tbh I found it very funny when the Chameleon was just like “SUMMON THIS GUY, (slurps yellow light thingy) SUMMON THIS GUY TOO,” like dude it just felt so hilarious seeing literally everyone fall to kirby ripoff 💀💀

[@user-zw3on4bx2t]

Don't disrespect the canonically most powerful being in all of gaming like that.

[@reginaphalange305]

Every time you step on a flower, dream works ruins a beloved franchise

[@mrcorona5175]

Get ready for that Shrek 5

[@KFP_Fanboy]

they did not ruin it

[@stevenmark4407]

KP wasn’t ruined tho. This was the weakest film but it also wasn’t a bad film. It will be ruined when the movie is straight up trash.

[@makinyoumad9498]

Except they didn't ruin anything

[@waffle6376]

I’m sure this movie is fine but megamind 2 is worser

[@sunbirth4795]

"Who filled my head with dreams? Who drove me to train until i was like bomp bomp, chicka womp womp?"

[@joymoua6651]

STOP 😭

[@julianmanjarres1998]

I love how succesful you are yet it still sounds like youre recording in your room with a modest setup making videos with less than 1k subs

[@subtleprelude2400]

There will never be another Kung Fu Panda movie like the second release. The series fell off after the second release because Dreamworks does not even know how to pick the adequate director, screenplay designer and script manager for this series.

[@mad1316]

Calling it now, Kung Fu Panda 5: Poe the reluctant father.

[@UncleWilsonProductions]

Replying to this comment so I can come back and say you were right if this actually happens

[@KazumaKuzuryu4162]

So, Shrek the Third, but in Kung Fu Panda.

[@pit2992]

PO CAN'T HAVE SEX I REFUSE TO BELIEVE

[@elijahalbiston]

I really thought they'd do that in this first movie of the new trilogy. Shocked to hear that they went with something entirely unrelated that makes no sense whatsoever instead. 1. He's young and just became the Dragon Warrior 2. It's never explained why he has to give it up already 3. Being a spiritual leader is part of the Dragon Warrior wtf was the point again?

[@TulowX]

With Tigress

[@thesespieces]

My thing is, I wouldn't have minded them sidelining the Five as much if they had put more focus on Shifu. How crazy would it have been to have a scene where Shifu and Tai Lung reconcile? Imagine Tai Lung forgiving Shifu after seeing the work he's put into training Po - he didn't mess this one up. Third time's a charm, no? Also, I wish they would have done more with how messed up the Chameleon's power is. Have her turn into Lord Shen to terrorize Li Shan. Have her fight Shifu as Tai Lung! I don't think it's so hard to imagine creative ways to make her even just a little more evil.

[@questworldiangreenknight7455]

True, and I think they were on to something with her abusive connection with another character. I wish they would’ve delved a little deeper into those themes since they had potential for a good story. In a way it reminded me of Gothel from Tangled

[@cristalmagic8664]

chameleon could be the representation of fear, by being able to acquire the ability to pretend to be someone, as you say that she used the appearance of the three to cause fear, Po's father could have had some development similar to Po, by surpassing Shen or the memory of it and Shifu was able to accompany Po and have scenes with Tai Lung

[@hyperfictionatedindividual3542]

Very true!! Envy from Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood is a good example of an evil shapeshifter character. They got sadistic pleasure from the reactions they got from turning into people’s loved ones.

[@axolotlfairy2473]

⁠@@cristalmagic8664like obviously they wouldn’t go THIS far but imagine their take on the chameleon as shen being akin to vibingleaf’s kung fu panda video where she keeps bringing up everything the real shen did to po and the rest of the pandas

[@partystarter8041]

I think it would have been cool if the main villain was the next dragon warrior, make it where the villain finally changed and gets redeemed, we saw shifu try to redeem Tai lung and fail, Po tried with shen, and Oogway tried with Kai, it’d be cinema to see it finally happen

[@dsand4629]

So they can make a wanted criminal the dragon warrior but not tai lung.

[@heliotikis]

Or tigress

[@glackinator_0459]

The fact that they couldn’t make Viola Davis (the same woman who played AMANDA FUCKING WALLER mind you) an intimidating/threatening presence, is insane

[@user-gz7lm9js9f]

Really imagine that for a second. You have a woman who is good enough to play perhaps the most self-assured and domineering villain in the entirety of DC Comics, and you make her character boring. Imagine screwing up that hard.

[@Ebh55.]

Exactly like wtf.

[@Edible_Kittens]

Yo SHE DID. Fuck I love Amanda Waller so much.

[@higztv1166]

I hope I'll someday see a video titled "[_________] is a movie that DOESN'T exist"

[@spongemaster]

Hopefully that's what he titles the Megamind vs The Doom Syndicate video

[@themightybagle99]

This just makes Kung Fu Panda 3 look even better honestly lol.

[@jcc055]

the fact that the so called chameleon villian had EVERY SINGLE KUNG FO MASTERS TECHNIQUE in the movie but got two-shot 😭

[@Total_DuDe]

Kung Fu Panda 1: Bad @ss cape Kung Fu Panda 2: Cool as Fvck hat Kung Fu Panda 3: A hat on a hat Kung Fu Panda 4: A hat on a hat on a hat. If you are writing for this series, there isn’t much more to add other than if maybe you focused on other characters or tweaked the setting. Even then, there’s a whole animated series and such so there really is NO REASON to add more to this series.

[@colleagueloyal7269]

I hate how your including the third movie to the same the degree as the fourth when it was only a little bit worse than the first 2 films

[@willbrgamer5137]

Nah man, don't put KFP 3 in the same category as the fourth, KFP 3 is a cool ass pair of glasses.

[@Elamado97]

He got a stick in the 3rd

[@aguy5912]

A well made universe can always be expanded upon. Just because kung fu panda 4 didn't do a great job at that doesn't mean there is nothing to be added.

[@grantmortensonva]

I like the idea of this being a second trilogy of Po being a master, but I hate the idea of this second trilogy being about Awkwafina's character.

[@smashers6971]

I kind of wish instead of the fox girl it was a forced team up between Tai Lung and Po, no joke it would’ve been a great way to tie back to the first film and give us an actual interesting dynamic between our two leads.

[@isauldron4337]

Tai lung and po movie sounds like a better story

[@n1conicokneecaps]

pLEASE. THAT WOULD'VE BEEN SO MUCH BETTER.

[@el_mr6439]

Let him cook

[@NRG349]

A buddy comedy between those two would've been awesome

[@azarththekobold]

Oh... now I am even more sad and disappointed we didn't get that and instead got what we got... sometimes I wish that creative teams work with fans more because when a franchise gets big enough, there's a lot of fans out there that have some really cool ideas.

[@Flawwlaf]

the chameleon: hey villain gimme yar powe all villains in spirit realm except for tai: ok

[@kerroseir4764]

4:49 when your series doesn't know what a spiritual growth arc looks like it kinda does that. Spiritual growth is looking at the world and realizing how small and lowly you are and becoming humble because of it and realizing that by looking at aspects of life people view negatively and turning them positive you can "awaken spiritually" feeding the hungry protecting the weak showing humility to those "under you" Being a leader (the lowest ranked and highest ranked from doing inventory on people you're responsible for and letting them go ahead of you, not to scout but to experience the thing you traveled to experience) Etc. but po doesn't do that with the Pandas and it falls flat really fast. Being spiritually aware is basically being a role model for others which is hard to do when you baby your third movie out of a good plot

[@gdplayer8768]

Overall, I feel like the fourth movie has all the same problems as the third one, but to a much greater extent

[@kerroseir4764]

@@gdplayer8768 ex act lyyyyyyy

[@AlexG-jk8tc]

I love how everyone claimed Puss In Boots 2 was the beginning of some sort of DreamWorks renaissance, when I'd argue the opposite happened. They put out ONE movie that blew everyone away TWO YEARS AGO, and everything after has received either mixed or negative reception.

[@straivalist8281]

The bad guys was amazing too, you should check it out. But yeah they dropped puss in boots and decided to never learn anything from it for it’s future movies

[@AlexG-jk8tc]

@straivalist8281 I really should check Bad Guys out! I'd also argue the "DreamWorks renaissance" claims really stopped in June of 2023, when Ruby Gillman was released. Everyone was hyping it up because of Last Wish and the fact that it appeared (I need to emphasize APPEARED) to be making fun of the 2023 Little Mermaid remake. But then the movie came out and didn't get great reviews, and everyone realized they got their hopes up too high. It's honestly kinda funny how for, like, the past five DreamWorks projects, everyone's said "How did we go from Puss In Boots 2 to...this?!"

[@Simbala-bq5vy]

1 year actually. It came out end of 2022 somewhere in December 2022

[@AlexG-jk8tc]

@@Simbala-bq5vy Ah, yes. Two years if we're going numerically, but actually more like a year and three months.

[@amberwingtundrawing776]

Atleast the robot movie coming out looks cool

[@am2382]

I'm begging them not to give this series the Ice Age treatment.

[@DanielKyreMcNutt]

IDC CUZ IM BUSY MAKING BANGERS 🔥🔥 .!.

[@GreenKnight07]

I'm Sorry to be that guy but i think they Will...

[@BBPapercraftII]

​@@GreenKnight07 I mean they did plan 6 from the start

[@randomaccountwithglasses2628]

Ironically, it'll have more lol

[@BBPapercraftII]

@@randomaccountwithglasses2628 unless you count the dumb Buck Wild movie

[@lemon-pop2923]

We didn't even know the fox thief's name halfway through the movie UNTIL Po and thief arrives to Juniper City is when we learn her name is Zhen and that she's an infamous wanted criminal. So what the hell, the writers forgot an introduction? Po just never asked for her name???

[@cyanimation1605]

Dreamworks: Oh wow, people are really starting to appreciate all the work we put into Megamind and Kung Fu Panda. Quick, let's pump out sequels to both of them before that hype fades!

[@SandyBelleX3]

I mean they did a pretty solid job with How to Train Your Dragon triology.

[@BagMonster]

When Schaff's Kung Fu Panda 4 got more marketing than the movie itself.

[@DanielKyreMcNutt]

IDC CUZ IM BUSY MAKING BANGERS 🔥🔥 .!

[@jeffreyquinde6707]

To be fair, I did see a lot of billboards and ads for the film all over my city.

[@yuixan763]

I didn’t even know it existed until now

[@drlemon7729]

"it makes the universe a lot smaller" damn thats a quote that applies to sequels of some of my favorite franchises

[@aff77141]

Fr. I take such issue with Juniper city as a concept, because po WENT to a CITY, IN THE SECOND MOVIE! AND IT WAS SUPER FAR AWAY. I know China's a big place especially on foot, but it's like. Was the best you could do THAT? It's so basic, even the criminal underground has zero flavor, which is DIFFICULT to do

[@dimitristsekeris1821]

First movie: Po has to master his body and learn to use one's strength against them -> Uses Tai Lung's strength against him Second movie: Po needs to calm his mind and let go of the past -> Spares Shen, but Shen dies in a fit of rage cause he can't do the same Third movie: Po has to master chi -> He does that and shows Kai how it's done Fourth movie: Po has to become a spiritual leader -> He bonks the Chameleon with his staff

[@tommula19]

we can all unanimously agree that kung fu panda 4 isnt a sequel and never happened

[@critiquing_chad9520]

Kung Fu Panda 5: Pobius

[@tylervanpeursem7627]

I loved when he said "it's skadooshing time" and then he skadooshed all over them

[@Porschegulliford03]

@@tylervanpeursem7627bro stop using that damn joke it’s literally not funny like at all

[@jackthelucario]

TEN POBILLION DOLLARS

[@justsomedinosaur9440]

Madame Poweb

[@rjofusetsudzin8011]

@@Porschegulliford03 cry

[@saiftheavenger5523]

Tai Lung: Betrayal & Destruction Lord Shen: Massacre & Weaponization Kai: Stealing Chi & Conquering The Chameleon: Pushing someone down the stairs

[@sillyfegart5455]

omori fans:

[@assassingamer1125]

​@@sillyfegart5455lmao