Kung Fu Panda 4 Was Disappointing...

[@Saberspark]

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[@АллаПрокофьева-ц2ч]

Man this was dissapointing, also can you and your friend do "Let's watch" on Eleanor's Secret [2009] - [French - Kerity La Maison Des Contes] That French-Italian animated feature film It would be a perfect time for film to get noticed!

[@Dreamartist47]

Jeffrey Katzenberg wants money.....just more sequels to every DreamWorks like Megamind .......gimme the flash grenade so I can throw it at Jeffrey 😂

[@helloolleh_dis]

Will use it in a few years, thanks.

[@aidenforrest442]

Hey Saberspark, I have a movie request for you to review

[@aidenforrest442]

It’s called A Monster in Paris

[@MoonWielder]

Something I haven't seen anyone criticize this movie for is Kai's appearance. Po obliterated his spirit in the spirit realm. He had NO reason to show up.

[@cliffturbo2146]

There is a reason. The Plot

[@GreenKnight07]

I also Readed a comment that said that not even sheng should be here since he died because of the crush of the cannon, he didn't got sented to the Spirit Land because Po didn't scadushed him NOR he finded inner peace.

[@jlev1028]

"Bu-Bu-But FANSERVICE!" :P

[@DeepGreenLimeshark]

Wait... you're right! I didn't even think about it!

[@ShaunForbes-my7vh]

Fr like atleast it would’ve been fine for tai lung return and it’s kinda crucial to the generic plot? Still general Kai and shen were in the movie FOR NO REASON chameloen barely used their abilities

[@PizzaLover429]

Hear me out someone, this movie could've used Po’s stagnation sort of to its benefit. The Chameleon could've been a reflection of Po from the first movie, filled with self-loathing and her shapeshifting powers could've been a reflection of not being able to accept who she is. Po’s journey of becoming a spiritual leader could be figuring out how to impart that same wisdom he learned when he finally opened the dragon scroll, accepting and believing in himself. This concept feels so obvious and entertaining idk how they missed this.

[@oakenshadow6763]

They actually could have redeemed a villian for the first time by having Chamilian's self dought hurt her adopted daughter. That the daughter also feels that way as a result. Po seeing himself in them both helps them heal. Such a waited opertunity.

[@therandomartist3201]

And would have been a good way to come full circle with the series, him imparting the wisdom he learned to another who needed it. That way they could pass it down to others who need it as well.

[@FlameyClockspeed]

Y'all should get hired

[@sonpo6177]

I think you got the main point of the 4th movie actually. Sad that people focus more on the missing elements that don’t really matter. Except Kai being there. One inconsistency.

[@sonpo6177]

Just that it could have been used more.

[@yadielgarcia9843]

Shifu saying his last goodbye to tai lung would have had put me in tears

[@venti726]

Same

[@dinahblakely1888]

Same here. But it was a missed opportunity

[@NominalDingus]

Do you have any idea how ICONIC that scene would be!? This fourth movie could have been an amazing bow on top of an already amazing trilogy. But no. It felt like it was a bunch of episodes of some limited series mashed together.

[@bunbunshark]

I would choke and sob so hard, but also scream how adorable they look, fluffly hug i need more of that in life

[@mattbrian9056]

Bruh, tell me about it. Such a fkin waste.

[@MusingsMuses]

Its sad when you first find out a plot point and instantly think of a better one. How about instead of "Chameleon's too small to learn kung fu" it's "She's sick of people valuing Kung Fu over magic and steals Kung Fu with magic to make her point that one's better than the other"

[@TheRogueCommand]

Exactly. Or maybe she came from a family of kung fu masters she couldn't live up to, or other masters saw her powers as cheating and cowardly. Like this isn't that difficult just give your script a second draft.

[@tedioabsoluto5780]

That's so much better.

[@tedioabsoluto5780]

That's so much better

[@JaydenR-qb6cm]

Honestly they were just trying to get a quick cash grab

[@blueflare3848]

Honestly your idea is so much better.

[@lumethecrow]

"I was too small to learn kung fu" There's a literal fucking mantis that mastered it

[@12toro]

She also mentioned being weak. Since she lives in Juniper and the movie discusses the dragon warrior and furious 5 being lesser known etc. I think her being a runt and not respected is due to the city she was in. The city seemed more violent etc and had lots of gangs. From the flashbacks we see of Zen it seems the smaller you are the less you get respect. I think Chameleon only discovered about the valley of peace after turning to evil.

[@EvokerInvokerble]

Inconsistency

[@zacharyjackson1829]

AND a freaking Chicken!

[@M_.M979]

Sounds like a skill issue.

[@EvokerInvokerble]

@@M_.M979 The director basically

[@logicerrormusic]

This movie felt more like fanfic than an actual sequel

[@EagleFangBasketball22]

The actual sequel was KFP 3 and it had the best conclusion of the Kung Fu Panda trilogy. I agree that the "fourth" movie is nothing but a fan fiction.

[@desmeon]

Even fanfictions are better than this absolute dumpster fire

[@tatarchan5212]

Look at the Chameleon, everything about her screaming "Villain sue OC" Defeating Tai lung, Lord Shen and Kai effortlessly? Bruh She doesn't even understand that Lord Shen is an Inventor/Cannoneer with fighting ability not a kungfu master

[@shadmanhasan4205]

The reason Y Tailung, Shen, and Kai, (along with many others), quickly 😢 "lost their powers" / "had their powers stolen from them" was due to the "efficiency" of Chameleon's art of "replication" that t could've been overcome by (nevermind Po, who defeated the 1st 3 villains) but Chameleon could've been defeated by any of the previous 3 villains since you're versing yourself in a long, drawn-out battle.

[@mooniegoodie]

All the way to the Mary Sue OC with a sad backstory

[@Jonathan_Collins]

The worst part is that KFP 4 and Megamind 2 could have genuinely been masterpieces if DreamWorks had gone about it properly. The greed of money corrupts.

[@kingghidorah8106]

clueless* money corrupts

[@HotFootBunny]

​@Benny20026 Not really a hard thing to accomplish tbh.

[@kisdota]

Megamind 2 maybe but Kung Fu 4, I feel like they were milking too much when they got to 4.

[@Rick586]

There was a Megamind 2? I legit just now found out.

[@AB-ii5pi]

@@Rick586no there isn’t it’s not canon

[@Letsjustnot9597]

Chameleon: NoNe oF tHe MasTeRs WoUld TraiN mE BecAuSE I wAs tOo smaLl tO lEaRn KuNg Fu. Viper and the snake clan, Mantis, and Master Chicken:🧍‍♂️

[@SiNKarnage]

Master Frog & Master Lizard (Jade Palace Statues KFP3): 🗿

[@noahbusch7542]

And scorpion and shifu and… I’m sorry, why was this a issue again?@@SiNKarnage

[@ndawn90]

Hello Master Shifu?! That dude is tiny but he kicks so much @ss!

[@bennysundance175]

Master chipmunk

[@hamishstewart5324]

Master Crab

[@-Sullens-]

The villain said and I quote”they said I was to small, to weak to to be taught” AND YET ONE OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS IS A LITERAL PRAYING MANTIS???

[@Autoboiiiiii]

watch SOTS

[@theruleroftheinternet8260]

I didn't watch the movie yet but I hope he was standing there when she said that 😂 would completely be funny

[@TurnipObjectShows]

​@@theruleroftheinternet8260 THAT WOULDVE BEEN SO MUCH BETTER

[@Davidofthelost]

KFP ended after 3. Po is now a master teaching others instead of being a dreamer wanting to fight alongside his heroes. End of story. Goodnight. Coffee is in the pot for morning.

[@dannyhernandez265]

Agreed. Let’s all just forget KFP4 exists.

[@EvokerInvokerble]

Inevitable that they agreed to have 6 films in the Kung Fu Panda franchise in 2010

[@marocat4749]

And you could even do movies in that universe, nust not about poe, again. maybe a romance of viper and mantis, wait did mantis have a love interest, , viper and monkey? , i dont know. something.

[@thehevandragon]

Being delusional won’t stop KFP4 from existing.

[@toolfreak50]

@@thehevandragon Burning Dreamworks, every last copy of the film, and all who have seen or heard of it might tho.

[@DanGamingFan2406]

Tai Lung: Tests Po’s physical prowess Shen: Test’s Po’s mental prowess Kai:Tests Po’s spiritual prowess Chameleon: Tests nothing audience’s patience. Her motivation makes no sense and the most evil thing she does, Shifu already did to Po in the first movie. She can have the combined power of all the villains, but she's undoubtedly the weakest of the franchise.

[@watershipup7101]

Got that right.

[@NeongamerexIdk]

Your god-damn right.

[@genjis5155]

So true.

[@bionicdragon5]

Chameleon: "No one would teach me Kung Fu because I'm too small, so I turned evil." Me: [clears throat] *"M A N T I S !"*

[@whoahanant]

​​​@@bionicdragon5 for real! Another issue I see with Kung Fu Panda is that they just don't care about the Furious Five's existence. Like Mantis and Viper are both pretty darn small. If anything they drop previously made characters pretty quickly. Like after I saw the fox character being introduced and everyone was kinda not liking her character design nor really thrilled over her I just figured they had left out many previous characters and fox girl is gonna join them if they make another movie or show.

[@THELarvious]

Chameleon's motive made legit 0 sense. To be written smoother, her backstory could've been a central plot point of the movie and Po's 4th test: Mastery of Self. The Chameleon could've been born into a life of discrimination and bullying, as perhaps in this universe, chameleons are naturally demeaned since their one gimmick is putting on the face of another person. Chameleon was ruined by this and hates herself for it; so because she despises herself so much, she becomes addicted with her shapeshifting abilities in a quest to demand respect via force, and that force comes in the form of turning into powerful individuals. When she becomes empress, she could seek to tap into the Spirit Realm to steal the face and powers of the most skilled opponent, which is undoubtedly Tai Lung. She should've only brought him back, so Kai and Shen wouldn't clump up screen time and to give Tai Lung a proper redemption arc with him reconciling with Shifu, becoming Dragon Warrior, and while not liking Po, forgiving him. Instead... we got this mess of a movie.

[@justshyn7347]

❤

[@fall_tea8857]

Good idea bro

[@judesliggoo]

it would genuinely be such a good movie if Tai Lung became the dragon warrior instead.. but I suppose he's kinda dead

[@theshadynorwegian6036]

@@judesliggoo he got skadooshed

[@LorenzoCassaro]

Good idea, minus Tai Lung becoming Dragon Warrior. That would just backtrack on everything the first movie stood for.

[@funnyhappystudios]

“Po’s greatest enemy” my ASS. Logically, it would be Shen since he has a major role in Po’s past. The Chameleon was half baked before she even came out of the oven

[@selectivepontification8766]

I mean if they wanted to have her use that as her schtick then it could actually work - her schtick is stealing anyway so maybe having her do that to, I dunno, try to be more impressive or demand respect or something could be fine, but given that Po literally tried to forgive the dude who committed genocide on his species, he'd almost certainly just brush it off. _Unfortunately..._

[@whentherookbirdsings]

I keep seeing this on every Kung Fu Panda 4 movie review 😭😭

[@lepreking]

​@@whentherookbirdsingsSAME, I thought I was tripping

[@whentherookbirdsings]

@@lepreking REAL

[@KgEclispe252]

The Chameleon is just this weekend's villain

[@OneWingedKing]

"Apparently, Shifu and Tai (Lung) were supposed to have a finally "goodbye" moment together !" Oh. There is no words to express how much saddened i am.

[@PinkyPhantom1234]

When they showed him meditating in the end I was fully prepared for it .. he was saying “ inner peace .. inner peace “ with little pause … but then Po’s gag instead .. that honestly annoyed me ..

[@vertraeumtemoewe]

Yep.. why they changed that? I just can’t understand most of the movie

[@PA071N3]

This movie should have been about Tai Lung. And there is no changing my mind about it. My re-write of the movie. "The movie starts with the Chameleon,opening the doors of the spirit realm with a spell,a spell that only lasts for a short time,and she brings out Tai Lung. After an amazing fight scene,(this fight scene was possible because Tai Lung wasn't the first KungFu Master she brought back,she had already stolen the KungFu of the first Master's she brought back),she finally succeeded in taking Tai Lung's KungFu,but before she locked him up, Tai Lung managed to escape,but he overheard the Chameleon talking about needing the staff Oogway give to Po,that she heard it has the power to open the gates of the Spirit Realm,that she desperately needs the staff so she can permanently open up the gates and steal the rest of the Master's their KungFu,Tai Lung then decides that he (as much he hates to admit it) needs Po's help to stop the Chameleon and get his Kung Fu back. Then we cut to Po and Shifu (the plot of Po needing a new successor doesn't exist). Shifu tells Po that he will be retiring soon because his old age is finally started to get to him,and that when it does he will make Po the new Grandmaster of the Jade Palece,Po is conflicted,while he knows that he had to eventually take Shifu's place,he thinks he is not ready yet too be the leader of the Valley of Peace. Tai Lung finally shows up. The Furious Five surrounded him and started to attack him,Tai Lung has managed to block some of their attacks (muscle memory) but was obviously struggling to hold them off. The Five finally beat him. But Tai Lung was not done yet,he knows he can't fight as he used to since he doesn't have his KungFu anymore,but he still demands the Five to call Po because he needs to talk to him. When Po shows up after Crane delivery the news of Tai Lung return, he asked Tai Lung how he got out from the Spirit Realm and why he is looking for him,Tai Lung tells him that the Chameleon brought him back and stole his KungFu ,then process to tell Po what he overheard about the Camaleon's plans and that he needs his help to stop her,Po at first thought it was a trick,but he soon realizes that Tai Lung was telling the truth (because before Tai Lung showed up,Po had his first vision from the universe about a sorcerer,the spirit realm and China potential downfall),he thought it was just a bad dream but now Tai Lung is here confirming his vision to be truth,and so Po decided to help him. They go together on the journey to the Camaleon's hideout,and in the journey Po started to open up to Tai Lung about how he wished that things would have turned out differently the day they fought,and how he would have offered to help him,he even tells him that to this day,Shifu still beats himself for failing him and for not realizing sooner what he was turning him into,Tai then confess on a moment of vulnerability (him finding out that even in death Shifu hasn't forgotten about him and still loves him,and he genuinely started to like the small yet odd friendship he and Po started to have) that on his time in the spirit realm he reflected on his actions (with Ogways help mind you),he was so blinded by hurt and anger for those 20 years,that he hasn't fully process what he was doing at the time,that he didn't care about the damage he was causing at the moment,he wanted the title he was denied to have,but above else he wanted Shifu to be proud of him,and because of it he had done an unforgettable damage to everyone that he now regrets. This comment is long already so long story short,they fought the Chameleon together,restored Tai Lung and the rest of the masters their KungFu,Tai Lung with a new perspective,thanks Po for helping and that Oogway was right when he chose him to be the Dragon Warrior ,and he apologized to Shifu for everything he had done,and that he hopes to see him on the other side and start over,Tai Lung returns to the Spirit Realm,year's later Shifu passed away and he reunites with Tai Lung in the Spirit Realm,and Po becomes the new Grandmaster and leader of the Valley of Peace." That's the best I came up with, there are other plots fans came up for the fourth movie that are absolutely amazing though,so I say that the fans came up with stories better than what the movie gave us.

[@Dean-bi9xl]

​@@vertraeumtemoeweBlame Mike Mitchell for making this movie the way it is.

[@Alec11_43]

Ok, now I’ve gone from mildly disappointed to genuinely upset.

[@MrSkysenGames]

Why find a new dragon warrior? Unless a lot of time has passed since Po became it, it seems a bit short lived. Also, why at all? It's not like there was a chain of them, passing the title from one to the next; it was literally a destiny situation. Oogway was Oogway, Shifu was Shifu. Others were literally passed over to be the dragon warrior until Po, _the chosen one,_ bumbled in. The whole plot point just seems kinda dumb. Instead it could've been similar to the suggestion here. The Five get sent off to do stuff, Po is doing Po things, and- oh no! Shifu's been stolen by the new evil! Po meets Awkwafox, they make friends, go find the evil, maybe some betrayal happens, Po saves day. Need more drama? _Maybe_ Shifu faces mortal danger and dies in some way related to the dead guys coming back, thus forcing Po into a new teacher position, so foxy gets brought on in the end as a new student. Bam, standard beats, but better than... *~gestures vaguely~*

[@bugcatcherjacky1334]

"Shifu's been stolen" 😂

[@Cashmoneez]

Look im not even saying it’s a terrible idea the movies have always shown po progressing from student, to master, to teacher so to become some kinda spiritual leader makes sense but why not make this movie about like tigress becoming the next dragon warrior or even just make tai king have an actual redemption arc and become what he was promised like this movie has basically none of the character nuance from the original trilogy it might as well have been a tv movie

[@bugcatcherjacky1334]

@@Cashmoneez I don't think Tigress should be Dragon Warrior. She specifically wasn't chosen and doesn't posess the necessary personality/mindset that is needed for the job. She does much better as an individual warrior. Besides, the movie would be hella boring because therr's nothing Po can really teach her and they already like each other a lot. It had to be a new character for the sake of the movie. I personally think it should've been anither Panda, though. They went through all the hustle of making pandas something special, why not use that?

[@LukiKruki]

It's the same thing Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker was teaching Padawan Ahsoka Tano even tho he isn't Jedi Master and he didn't want at first but after one adventure, he saw she's like him when he started so he accepted it.

[@thearsalandombgaming]

​@@LukiKrukiIt really isn't Anakin was still the chosen one, the one with the most potential with the Force He wasn't sidelined because of his student, she never even surpassed him as far as I know

[@bezierballad8852]

KFP4: "I feel like I forgot something." Dreamworks: "If you forgot, then it wasn't important." KFP4: "Yeah, you're right." The Furious Five:

[@jeremyzapsmash]

I imagine them standing outside of the room peering in and waving to get executives attention

[@sporeboy67]

the furious five weren't added because of budget reasons, thats why they're shoehorned at the end without their voices.

[@DamnZtar]

@@sporeboy67 they could have at least used their VAs from the TV show

[@bezierballad8852]

@@sporeboy67 I made this joke before watching the video. Props to the artists for having the movie's fans in mind.

[@makinyoumad9498]

They were in the movie

[@Jonathan_Collins]

Shen: *Commits Genocide* The Chameleon: *Pushes someone down the stairs*

[@somerandolad]

Shen was such an awesome villain.

[@bugonboris6681]

I think the Chameleon has been watching too much of those GoAnimate videos.

[@mister54336.]

Tai lung the legend

[@mister54336.]

​@@bugonboris6681tai lung the legend

[@jiado6893]

Instead of building Chameleon up as being the most powerful and threatening, they should have focused on her jilted feelings and relationship with her daughter.

[@TheNinjaDC]

To give the film some credit, it does try to fake you out about Zhen being Chameleon's adopted daughter, by quickly introducing the head of the thief guild who was her previous parental figure before Chameleon, and establishing unresolved drama between Zhen and him. They did this right after revealing she was adopted, and her master and her's relationship was strained.

[@massivelegend3599]

Shen isn't a kung-fu master and was FLATTENED by a boat mast, and Kai's spirit was eviscerated, how the HYUCK were they in the spirit realm??

[@demcatzlol]

Plot… I cant think of any other reason

[@EvieRawlings]

His appearance frustrated so much. He wasn't a kung fu master that's why he built the canons. And him BOWING before Po because he respects him as the dragon warrior? NO!! Tai Lung, yeah. Kai, maybe... Shen. NO!! He tried to get rid of kung fu and tried to kill all the pandas for pete's sake!

[@Thatscrazy_anyway]

I agree with almost everything but of course shen is in the spirit realm?? The spirit realm is like the after life in this movie???

[@EvokerInvokerble]

It raises so many questions for the plot inconsistency

[@Sqwivig]

​@@EvieRawlingsI KNOW THAT BOTHERED ME SO DAMN MUCH!! Shen would NEVER bow to ANYONE, let alone Po! He literally committed genocide to get rid of him and was defeated in the most humiliating way, being crushed by a boat mast. Shen would have IMMEDIATELY tried to kill Po as soon as he escaped the spirit realm. And that's another thing, WHY IS SHEN EVEN IN THE SPIRIT REALM!? Does everyone who dies go there, or do you have to be sent there from another person? Or do you have to know magic to open portals? It makes no sense!

[@Eta_Hoyimi]

Entire first film: Po learning kung fu despite his implied limitations due to body shape, and converting his perceived weakness into a strength along with mantis, snake, etc doing the same. 4th film: Ye, lizards can't do kung fu cause they're not the right shape for it mate. Also we're knocking off early for the evening so don't forget to imagine your own extra plot details!

[@EvokerInvokerble]

Plot inconsistency. Never let Mike Mitchell cook anything ever again

[@chrisbacon1275]

Honestly, they could've played into that as a villain character, like she doesn't understand how they can do it so seamlessly while she's never even really put in the true effort needed

[@maninanikittycat4238]

@@chrisbacon1275 That sounds like an interesting idea!

[@manjugoswami2233]

​@@EvokerInvokerble agreed. Bro damn well cooked the blandest shit ever 😭

[@nobodyno1469]

Why didn't the chameleon just steal Po's Kung Fu (the best in the world) and took over everything? And then Po had to teach Zhen Kung Fu and in turn realized its not some magic power but a skill that with a good teacher can help you excel and add your own tricks to it. Then it pans to Sifu and Po says "I had a great teacher teach me that" (audience of teachers cries*).

[@bad-girl-coventhe-owl-club1119]

My biggest complain about Kung Fu Panda 4: - Where are the furious 5?! - Why did Po has to quickly find his successor anyway? Oogway is a walking bone before he choose Po... - And Po has to pick his successor with several random people? - The main villain is defeated in only two hits? - After freed, all the villains just suddenly respect Po, why? - What happen to the underground people? there's no closure for that - Why did they make the Dragon Warrior like a nobody know? in the last 3 movies they centered around the dragon warrior like everybody knew him. - There's not much growth for Po in this movie compared to the other.

[@randomuser.5356]

They literally said in the movie where the furious five are though, and they appear in the end credits

[@joshthejosh7702]

I had this really cool idea I hoped they were going to do were they took the main villain from the first film and had him redeem himself, then Po gives him the Dragon Warrior position once he really realizes what Kung Fu means and that even if the Kameleon took it from him he still has it in him

[@jeremyzapsmash]

All good points! The finding a successor thing seemed forced like they had no other ideas. Now there will be no more movies with him as the dragon warrior.

[@ZeldaSam1]

ALL I CARED ABOUT IS WHETHER OR NOT TAI LUNG WAS REDEEMED!!!

[@bearorb3135]

They didn't want to pay the expensive voice actors since the movie had such a low budget.

[@StickyBoxers]

Could have had a fun buddy cop movie with Po and Tai Lung rescuing Shifu but noooooooo

[@khaliyahjefferson832]

Now that would've been better

[@bclynch30]

I would’ve LOVED a badass scene of both Tai Lung and Po using their strengths and different fighting styles during a battle. Tai would look at Po and think “even though you kicked my ass before, I think you might be a worthy fighter” or something along those lines. The banter would’ve been PERFECT

[@21stcenturysoup]

I would have killed for that. Po struggling with the idea of no longer being the dragon warrior with someone who had to let go of that idea a long time ago

[@leyte68]

@@21stcenturysoupCould chameleon be actually strong enough to need both Tai Lung and Po’s abilities together to defeat her?

[@CommanderLexaa]

@@leyte68 She would be if they wrote her to be strong enough

[@MrPanzer234]

DreamWorks Management: "Kung Fu Panda 4 was not meant to be a good movie, that was not my fault!" The Fans: "Not your fault?! Who filled my head with dreams! Who promised me a redemption arc for Tai Lung! Who denied me the movie for eight years!" DreamWorks Management: "It was never my decision to make!" The Fans: "*ROAR OF OUTRAGE*" *pausing when we see the plans for kung fu panda 5* The Fans: "...It is now" *Battle continues* The Fans: "GIVE... US... A BETTER MOVIE!" DreamWorks Management: "I would rather die!"

[@augustbeller]

I can hear this scene

[@Tabááh-Ma-íí]

Underrated Comment 😂

[@dracodracarys2339]

Also Kai is dead-dead. He got sent to the afterlife and then his soul was destroyed there by Po's chi. So he isn't just banished to the spirit world, he has straight-up ceased to exist body and soul alike. SO HOW THE HELL IS HE HERE, ONLY TO DO NOTHING PLOT SIGNIFICANT OR EVEN GET ANY DIALOGUE

[@uniqueness35fanofimginatio73]

Somehow…..Kai returned.

[@GameFreakSucks]

@@uniqueness35fanofimginatio73 if that line was in the film, I am going to go bat shit crazy

[@EvokerInvokerble]

Maybe Kung Fu Panda 5 forgets this happened and Awkwafina fox will be gone too

[@emperorfaiz]

@@EvokerInvokerble Better yet, stop making another Kung Fu Panda sequel.

[@EvokerInvokerble]

@@emperorfaiz They agreed to make the last 2. So we separate that as a sequel trilogy instead

[@betterlatethannever4529]

Tigeress is the only one I would have accepted as his successor. That is after another couple films

[@EvieRawlings]

I agree. Tigress not being the dragon warrior frustrated me so much.

[@brianawong312]

Tigress was done dirty

[@dannyhernandez265]

Who invited the random fox to the party? Lol 😂

[@God-T]

@@EvieRawlings i swear if thy don't remove shen im going to lose it

[@EvokerInvokerble]

Or Tai Lung was a touch of redemption.

[@dragonlover7196]

the fact that they were considering putting humans in the movie- live action humans. why and how did anyone think it was a good idea to give a guy who clearly had no respect or experience with the KFP universe full control? like... what?

[@clairehislop5873]

Ikr, it seems like every animated movie has to have a live action integration

[@Whatever-mh5dn]

So Dreamworks is gonna make the same mistakes as Disney? Oh goody.

[@Rembreiker_lychec9257]

Damn, crazy how DreamWorks came out swinging with Puss in Boots: The Last Wish, only to completely trip over and lose all the momentum it gained from that movie. Megamind 2, and now this have been meh.

[@greenstarlover1]

​@USANATV2007Ruby Gilman is like Wish. Was much better in the deleted scenes.

[@diplodorkus970]

Megamind 2 was atrocious

[@ZeldaSam1]

"Meh" @ BEST if Saberspark's review is N E thing ta go by!!!!!

[@bezierballad8852]

This had some decent qualities that kept it from being outright horrible. Megamind 2 on the other hand was absolutely awful.

[@SuperAbdul19]

Dreamworks has always been like this

[@willbunnell889]

The Chameleon: I am Po’s Greatest Enemy Lord Shen: Am I a joke to you?! Also the Chameleon: I was cast aside for being small! Mantis: Am I a joke to you?!

[@chavStudio123]

stairs:amateurs

[@Meow_Meow_Hurts_Real_Bad]

The stairs are probably everyone's worst enemy in the damned franchise. Wonder how the engineers/architects' backs feel after building everything with ridiculous amounts of stairs 😂

[@EvokerInvokerble]

The Chameleon is the Joke

[@segungamer1207]

Tai lung: Am I a joke to you?!

[@EvokerInvokerble]

@@segungamer1207 He is a joke in this movie, unfortunately for us.

[@WillysStuff]

tbh the biggest things that got me, in this movie is: The pacing being too fast, Kai being brought from the Spirit realm when in Kung Fu Panda 3 his soul was literally obliterated from the inside out, and the Furious 5 not getting a bigger role, though their training montage at the end was quite epic.

[@alexpaulk2819]

Unfortunately we might be entering an era where studio execs will be shilling out “good enough” films. Truly great films are going to become unicorns when they should be the standard.

[@matteomastrodomenico1231]

I mean, if they're the standard that kinda makes them a lot less special. If they're all great no one truly is.

[@DirtyBobBojangles]

​@@matteomastrodomenico1231shut up 🙄

[@TheSigmaCentral101]

Yes it’s very unfortunate

[@KemoneArmstrong]

time to support more indie projects

[@rafaynoman1180]

The plot original was Shifu getting kidnapped by the villian and getting to say one final goodbye to Tai lung but got scrapped. WHAT?!?!?!? WHO'S BRIGHT IDEA WAS IT TO DO THAT?

[@lequa4144]

THAT WAS SUCH A GOOD IDEA TOO 😢😢😢

[@Solar_Corpus]

Are you kidding me fr 😒😞

[@fawnieee]

Probably meddling studios that always ruin everything:/

[@RenYori2099]

Probably some woke writer.

[@Hobo-Fushiguro]

I COULDVE CRIED TO THIS? SHIFU AND TAI LUNG?!?

[@giorgiavissani7772]

Honestly, when i heard that Po had to choose the next dragon warrior, i expected to give the title to Tai Lung. Maybe not yet, but after a redemption arc and after realizing his own mistakes fighting his demons. But no, let's give the title to the thief.

[@_aparna_aparna_]

exactlyyyy before finding out that it was Chameleon and not Tai Lung I was so excited to see how they could bring redemption for the most iconic villain in the entire series but noooo they brought out a half-baked joke of a villain who has literally nothing new or interesting about her...I would've loved to see a good female villain from KFP but this entire movie was a cash grab 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@CallMeAmateur]

Im saying this now. Kung Fu Panda 5 has to have The Furious 5.

[@NixityNullt]

Better yet, they should just not make a kung fu panda 5

[@SebsistButReal]

​@@NixityNullttoo late. they're gonna make two more

[@cyborgparrot1996]

​@@SebsistButReal Hopefully they'll learn from their mistakes of making this one (though that's probably being too optimistic).

[@shirleyyap3208]

@@NixityNullteven better, make the kfp 5 ABOUT the furious five

[@Porschegulliford03]

@@NixityNulltif they make 5th part I know you will start watching that

[@hellbot.9666]

I’m just gonna accept Kung Fu Panda 3 as the true finale to the series. It may not be the best in the trilogy, but at least it had a satisfying conclusion.

[@pomo1697]

In my opinion it’s 2 but I thought that 4 was gonna be better then 3 but I was wrong

[@EagleFangBasketball22]

Actually, I do like the third movie. I agree that it may not be the best, but it definitely has a perfect ending for the Kung Fu Panda trilogy. So, I really don't want to watch the fourth one.

[@daniapfel2825]

​@@EagleFangBasketball22Me too

[@haif.wanjle.rreturn9169]

Tai lung:i wanted to be the dragon warrior Shen:i will commit genocide and make everyone bow for me in china or smth Kai:i wanted to be the strongest so i become the chin stealer 🐍:i just turn into some random people or steal kung or smth

[@trololoev]

She want to best best at kung-fu. Imagine if Po make her dragon warrior instead of fox.

[@Ebh55.]

The fact you used a snake emoji for a CHAMELEON. 😂

[@jayandjlps]

Shifu Should've died, and Tai lung should've gotten a full redemption arc like Zuko. This movie is also missing the cool colors and lighting from the previous films. In a perfect world the main colors for KFP 4 would be purple. Tai Lung then goes on to train Zhen and the next generation of Kung Fu masters. Po then takes on Shifu's role (he can still fight though). Also Tai Lung should be the only returning villain because he's sympathetic. Kai held a grudge with Oogway for 500 years, so why is he bowing to Po after he killed him like a few years ago.

[@MrX-uu8vi]

actually kai shouldn't even be in the movie his spirit literally exploded and nth you can make an argument for Shen

[@X-SPONGED]

Kai shouldn't've even been there. Bro's spirit fucking exploded due to chi overload. His soul literally shouldn't even exist anymore.

[@cake8807]

Can a character like him even die in a kids movie?

[@darkpromeathean937]

Dude came in swinging on shifu verbally, what did bro do? ☠️

[@imjustbeingrandom]

@@cake8807In HTTYD2, Stoic died so yes.

[@welsan2074]

this movie felt more like the tv shows on Nickelodeon stretched out into a movie the design, the storyline itself etc. honestly kinda disappointed that the past villain has no bigger cameos other than bowing to po at the end ALSO SHEN ??? BOWING TO PO ????? UNACCEPTABLE

[@daliceToons]

I Imagining This Airing Before Friends On nick@niTe Before The Main nickelodeon Block Airs It

[@SegaDisneyUniverse]

That's what I was saying! This 4th sequel was better off just being a special episode for the TV series. Such a shame, it could've been a lot better especially on the year of the Dragon! Hopefully part 5 will be better. Also, why did the best villain (Shen) get so little screen time?! 😫

[@ShadowGunR]

I swear, I was dreading Shen's appearance cuz I knew they were gonna butcher him. Also, I get that he accepted defeat and death in KFP 2, but I do NOT see him bowing to Po. Shen didn't realize he was wrong nor did he respect Po, he was more like "well, I lost, might as well go out swinging"

[@jeremiahgreen5632]

Shen bowing to any panda in general is BS. Everyone knows that even if he's defeated, Shen ain't bowing to them

[@EvokerInvokerble]

That's a really great point. It seems like they didn't watch the movies....hmm?

[@TheWaffleEdits]

I had an idea for a motivation switch for Chameleon Make it about how Juniper City had Kung Fu Masters sent in to help keep the peace, but instead they make it worse by fighting every chance they get. They preach peace but choose war. Those battles left Chameleon hopeless, homeless, and helpless. (Idk how to make it to where there’s a good reason for magic) but she wants to steal the one thing the masters actually care about, their Kung Fu. Po would be the exception, actually caring for the people. That ties in to him becoming a spiritual leader. What do you think?

[@peachbubble8652]

I don’t understand how they can pop out an amazing movie like The Last Wish and then give us shit like megamind 2

[@AdrianAnimations360]

They do this every year.They release a cinematic masterpiece and then release shit.

[@islesofforeignrails7917]

Megamind 2 is not theatrical film 🙄 It also didn't need a sequel.

[@globurim]

Dreamworks has always been a hit and a miss. Shrek 2 and Shark Tale aired at the same year for example.

[@kiboma4209]

That’s what makes Dreamsworks Dreamsworks! 😂. They either have garbage movies or masterpieces, no in between!

[@X-SPONGED]

That's DreamWorks!

[@igorholanda4415]

for those who don't know, in official interviews the directors confirmed that Kung fu panda was from the 1st film envisioned as a saga of 6 films, some plot points ended up being used in the animated series (there are 2) but they always had an idea of what this film would be, however the director seems to have changed the tone of this film a lot

[@calamitysangfroid2407]

The last film really felt like the end to me, unless the next film was about Po literally being Shifu and teaching a real student (not the Furious 5 who already know kung fu, or the pandas who were only learning to save their village). Maybe that's what Zhen was meant to be. I also don't like how Po gets to be Oogway's successor as 'spiritual leader', when it's clear Shifu has grown a lot from his prejudices against Po so he would make a good spiritual leader. Po's way too young. He's immature and honestly he deserves to be silly and a bit selfish, because he's young. Shifu who has experienced failure teaching Tai Lung and then redeemed himself teaching Po without Oogway should be leader.

[@reinweissritter]

​@@calamitysangfroid2407Judging by the I'd say half of a story that was cut from the third movie after dreamworks decided to listen to the karens complaints about kfp2 mid production, the second trilogy story might have been either shared with or about Tigress, well, Po helping Tigress develop her character and/or find her origins, seeing how a lot of the cut stuff from kfp3 that wasn't deemed too dark was related to Tigress, TiPo teasing at the end included lol. It's clear that the 6 movie plan died either after the third movie or because Universal bought them.

[@HGRAP1]

If they wanted to make Zhen be The Chameleons daughter, they should have made the story a parallel to Po’s. Instead of a Dragon Warrior with a loving parent, they could have shown what could happen if someone with that power instead has a manipulative parent.

[@jonathanthethird52]

Wasn't that basically the plot of one though?

[@Timmering]

As a huge kung fu panda fan. Who has watched all of the movies multiple times, every single spin-off series and legends of awesomeness twice, this was so disappointing. :( I was so excited to see what colour palette the 4th movie would be. The first 3 movies had yellow, red then green. Physical, mental, and spiritual. The 4th movie had none of that. :(

[@helloolleh_dis]

I agree. I love Kung Fu Panda but this movie wasn't all too great. Really sad

[@GamerMage2k-kl4iq]

They could have went with yellow or orange or something that could work with the chameleon “villain”

[@bezierballad8852]

Yeah fr even the logo is boring

[@jayandjlps]

Shifu Should've died, and Tai lung should've gotten a full redemption arc like Zuko. This movie is also missing the cool colors and lighting from the previous films. In a perfect world the main colors for KFP 4 would be purple. Tai Lung then goes on to train Zhen and the next generation of Kung Fu masters. Po then takes on Shifu's role (he can still fight though). Also Tai Lung should be the only returning villain because he's sympathetic. Kai held a grudge with Oogway for 500 years, so why is he bowing to Po after he killed him like a few years ago.

[@GabidenZhazylbekov]

If you are such a huge fan you would know that original director wasn't involved.

[@insane7645]

The only thing I really, REALLY, wanted from this movie was an actually heartfelt goodbye between Tai Lung and Shifu. I was honestly expecting it or at least expecting Shifu to have a reaction to Tai Lung being back since he was like a son to him, but none of that was there and I was honestly alseep for most if the movie because I was so bored and knew what was gonna happen. Edit: For those that keep telling me how and why the moment I wanted was added, I know, I just commented this because this is what I wanted and it would have made the movie better, more interesting.

[@NoobTheNewt0987]

That was the co-directors plan for the movie, but the director would not budge from his vision of the movie which turned out to be the flaming hot mess that was Kung Fu Panda 4

[@WisenedMan]

@@NoobTheNewt0987 They could have found a balance with Stephanie heading the story while Mike the humor and quirks. A shame considering that this was her first time as a director only to be scuffed by her crew. She should be in charge of 5 cause she sounds similar to JYN.

[@EvokerInvokerble]

It did not happen because bad direction

[@anthonycollins2383]

That didn’t happen because of that sorry excuse for a director (Mike Mitchell).

[@damonrichardson1999]

I honestly can't imagine Po's dad saw Shen and was just totally cool with it. Shen killed his people, he killed his wife, and he's just standing there watching these spirits like "Yep, there they are, get em son!". And how is Kai even there? He got obliterated in the spirit realm, so he shouldn't even be there. And isn't the chameleon's plan basically the same as Kai's? Take the powers of masters and use them to take over the world? And Tai Lung was straight-up put in just to play on nostalgia. He had a chance for closure, as did Shifu, but instead he's there just to look cool and rag on Po again. It's sad that this movie is so weak compared to the last ones. It had potential but failed to meet it. I for one wanted to see Tai Lung again as an antihero. "Serviceable" is the best word to describe it, and I hope the artists and the team behind Kung Fu Panda get to have more control again.

[@TheMrGiggler]

You become what you wish to destroy is a great quote to showcase what’s happening to dreamworks, dreamworks was first created to be different and one up Disney and all their cooperate meddling, but now they are suffering the same fate

[@thedrewster0408]

Basically, Jeffrey Katzenburg, before leaving Disney and founding DreamWorks, wanted to get the position of president of the Walt Disney company after Frank Wells had tragically died from a helicopter crash and Micheal Eisner didn’t let him get the position because he was already CEO of the company and Katzenburg got angry and left the company.

[@DodgeThisBam]

As someone mentioned on Scafrillias’s video, this premise could have worked so much better if, after having his powers copied by the Chameleon Tai Lung escaped and fled to warn Po. You could argue that he’s been in the spirit realm for years and had time to reflect. Have the chameleon take Shifu and you have all the motivation for a fun and awkward buddy movie with Kung Fu as Tai and Po try to work together to get him back. Hell, have Tai Lung be offered the mantel of Dragon Warrior at the and you’ve also come full circle.

[@kitothekito915]

Didn’t tai lung murder people? Why should he be offered the title of dragon warrior?

[@mcrain1283]

@@kitothekito915 did you forget about Oogway? his whole backstory is killing people in some kind of battle together with Kai who is by the way the bad guy

[@DodgeThisBam]

@@kitothekito915 We had a journey of self discovery, A journey of facing your trauma, a journey of discovering your roots so why not a journey of redemption?

[@infernoblaze3493]

God, I am so upset this concept wasn’t in the actual movie. What a great idea.

[@Sapocalipsis11]

I just had an idea, Po offers tai lung the mantel of Dragon Warrior and rejects it, finding purpose on being himself, mirroring po rejecting the dumpling after fighting shifu for it

[@theinformist232]

Tried the sponsor of the video and just as a heads up to anyone interested you need to make a minimum of $30,000 a year before you’ll qualify. That’s an average of making $14.50 an hour and working 40 hour work weeks all year long. Not Saber’s fault, just sharing what I learned so people don’t get their hopes up.

[@tigerwolfem780]

I would have loved to see that scene of Shifu saying goodbye to Tai Lung, the fact we didn't get that is heartbreaking.

[@graffiti.777]

Reading and watching all of these reviews after finally seeing the movie makes me realize how much worse this film was. It's just sad and extremely underwhelming.

[@BQuanchi]

The best thing about Kung Fu Panda 4 is the Tenacious D Cover of "Baby One More Time" cover that promoted the movie

[@KemoneArmstrong]

The Crazy train cover during the chase scene scratched an itch in my brain

[@BogartEnthusiast]

I really would have liked to have seen Po actually paving his own path for once. A lot of his growth and development had been stroked by others, and in this film especially he was being pushed by Shifu when he personally felt like he wasn't ready to move on. So it would've been nice to have a lesson somewhere about taking your future into your own hands. Especially after all the self-discovery he had in the other films. Or like, him accepting yes, this is a reality i need to face (choosing a successor) but not right now.

[@KnottsBear-yTalesPreserved]

As someone who dealt with creative meddling on my project by a dude (now gone from it) who tried to make Kooky Trails a Disney wannabe. I know exactly what Stephanie went through and it is absolutely sad. It sucks when the wrong people hired think they know it all and usually are the ones who will tend to dictate what they think the project should be based on numbers, what THEY want to see, and copying others like Disney/ETC. I hate when people with a corpoate or egotist mind are in charge. They're usally the reason why projects like this are ruined. I am glad I prevented that with my project since its an indie. But goddamn it frustrates me what happened with Kung Fu Panda 4 and as someone who recently got into the franchise. Its pretty sad to see...

[@EvokerInvokerble]

Never let Mike Mitchell cook again

[@martaleja9279]

Something similar happened during the production of Merida too

[@MegaBond101]

Witnessed it firsthand. It's so sad 😭 I feel awful for her. That guy should be fired for ruining kung fu panda 4

[@TreyPark-yn6dn]

My dad was more present in my childhood than the Furious Five in KFP4

[@SiNKarnage]

Bruh

[@daniapfel2825]

​@@SiNKarnageWhat ?

[@ceciliahernandez2331]

Dreamworks is trying to replicate Disney's downfall.

[@VictoriaMunchers]

I mean uhh not really but I can see what your trying too do

[@Laurenmartinart]

A friend of mine told me she had seen a fan rewrite where Tai Long got brought back and his power stolen, and he and Po work together to save Master Shifu from the Chameleon. Then Po hands the mantle to a mellowed out Tai Long. Gosh, that would have been so much better! I would have loved to watched that movie. It would have made a great full circle.

[@kristophesiem5336]

I don't think Tai Lung would have fit as the next Dragon Warrior. If he didn't mellow after Oogway handled his ass and he stayed rotting in jail for 20 years why would he now that he got sent to the afterlife?

[@heavygunner4039]

@@kristophesiem5336In jail, Tai Lung is held down and restrained 24/7, which gives him incentive to focus purely on revenge. The Spirit Realm is a lot better of an environment for introspecting; nowhere to really "escape" to, but it's also a pretty peaceful place without any violent enforcers, so you have time to sit down and think about what led you there.

[@NoobTheNewt0987]

lol I saw the fan rewrite comment above this one. But yeah, it would have been full circle, but for some reason we got this movie instead

[@Vii-rb9vp]

@heavygunner4039 Not to mention that he likely thought that his punishment was unjust since in his mind the reason he's imprisoned is because Oogway is keeping him away from the scroll that he feels like he deserves. It also doesn't help that he's basically put in solitary confinement too which is literally considered a form of torture by the U.N and leads to several mental health issues, which wouldn't make it any easier to help calm his slowly degrading mind.

[@Snow-xd4rv]

@@heavygunner4039That’s too cliché

[@boomer7004]

The main lead character concept artist Nico Marlet was also not present in this movie and it shows

[@jestphoenix]

i saw some concept art for zhen, and it was so much better and more kfp-esque than the final design. corporate meddling strikes again

[@S0ulC41ib3r]

You'd think after all this time Shifu would see that the "Dragon Warrior" is nothing more than a simple title. To be able to see the good in people as Oogway saw the darkness in Tai Lung. There is no need for a new Dragon Warrior because it is simply air. The Dragon Scroll held no destiny for Tai Lung for his trials and tribulations of training and being locked away for 20 years. This whole movie was a nothing burger. Shifu being kidnapped is an actual motivator for Po and the audience. Have Zhen be the kidnapper and instead of Peng and Li getting their moments show Shifu and Zhen getting to know one another and for Shifu to drop the seed of change for Zhen. So by the time everything is wrapping up she has her moment to shine and earn her destiny, like Po did. Kicking off the next movies planned with a new character to flesh out further alongside the Furious 5 AND THE DRAGON WARRIOR [Said in Jack Black's voice].

[@lostconciousness4255]

We've also already established that Shifu is shit at choosing Dragon Warrior's and yet he is still pushing that damn ceremony to choose one despite Oogway constantly not choosing one. Not sure why Shifu is even still involved, he is technically "retired" and Po already took up his mantle as master in 3.

[@cian.o]

I wonder how Shrek 5 will be...

[@effithet]

DO NOT MANIFEST THIS

[@OBJECTSONA]

I thought shrek 4 never came out

[@Finnboy-ml5jv]

Don’t jinx it!

[@monkebusiness8779]

Donkey dies at the end probably

[@firechillbro720]

Oh boy...

[@LivingFire_BurningFlame]

One thing we can give Kung Fu Panda 4 credit for is making everybody realize how good of a conclusion to the franchise Kung Fu Panda 3 truly was.

[@frenzy2061]

Yessss. I never understood the dislike for that movie. It was the least serious of the three but I think it was fitting given how the really intense stuff of Po's past was dealt with in the movie before it. I'm seeing people appreciate Kai more too which is great because I always loved him as a villain.

[@chiriin8556]

​@@frenzy2061EXACTLY... kai is extremely underrated. I get that it's not as good as the other 2 fs but gotta give credit where its due, he's an insanely threatening villain

[@reinweissritter]

​@@frenzy2061The dislike was either because the story got a little diluted by the comedy, or because the cut stuff that made it more similar in tone to the second movie, if not darker.

[@ryomahoffman6803]

This movie was genuinely unwatchable, I feel like people are forgetting how good both the first and third movies were, and how much of a freaking masterpiece kung fu panda 2 was. In my opinion, this movie was disrespectful to the franchise and a disgusting cash grab. It’s hilarious that they felt like this movie was releasable.

[@alexey635able]

> kung fu panda live-action What. How. Why???

[@Game_Hero]

money saving

[@GreenKnight07]

No. Just, no.

[@jlev1028]

How would that even work? Every character is an anthro. What, are they going to be rendered realistically? *shudders*

[@catscanhavelittleasalami]

It's gonna be so ass LMAO

[@mcrain1283]

I will have nightmares from that.

[@Scappo]

Puss in Boots: TLW should have taught them that heartfelt moments and genuine character interaction always hit harder than silly, slapstick humor.

[@ZeldaSam1]

SERIOUSLY!!!!!

[@bearorb3135]

Preach!

[@AndersonTenecela]

To be fair, slapstick humor for better or worse is what made them get a lot of praise by millions

[@bearerofbadnews1375]

Honestly it’s feels like a miracle Puss in boots the last wish turned out as good as it did.

[@Paiste2002Fan]

It’s funny because that’s also basically Kung Fu Panda 2 as well.

[@ILoveAllah50]

The worst part is how they made a joke of the dragon warrior, like in the movie no one knew who he was.

[@u2damoney]

I am glad the boy and the heron won a second oscar for Myazaki :)

[@RymanSMW]

Live Miyazaki reaction: 🗿

[@Sjono]

According to an interview with co-director Stephanie Ma Stine posted on the r/kungfupanda subreddit, director Mike Mitchell was given complete creative control over the film's story (with the sole major stipulation is that the movie could not run over ninety minutes), which led to many of the more controversial and underdeveloped plot elements, such as Zhen and the Chameleon's undercooked backstories (they originally had none at all), Kai and Lord Shen having no lines (they were added very last minute), Shifu not being present during the climax (even the DreamWorks executives loved the idea of him being there, but it got axed for reasons unknown), and an overall insistence on a more comedic tone over the dramedy approach of the first two films.

[@TheRandomPosterTRP]

I've also heard speculation that Universal is trying to run DreamWorks like Illumination, who is also owned by Universal

[@zayn6699]

Kung Fu Panda 4 feels like an illumination movie. I got a sinking feeling in my stomach once I saw that fart joke in the trailer.

[@BlazeRider22]

The idea of Shi Fu being captured is really REALLY a much better idea Plus it would've bring the characters together to make a grand finale battle And Po having to decide who he'll choose to be the next dragon warrior Like gee who is he gonna pick?, oh wait the Furious Five aren't here uh Zhen...no other options 🤣 When the idea of the Chameleon having the ability to morph into the villains Po defeated it was very intriguing But when the villains returned I thought they would interact but Kai and Shen didn't speak at all Unfortunately JK Simmons who voiced Kai and Gary Oldman as Lord Shen didn't reprise they're roles They were wasted Tai Lung though had potential for a redemption arc with shi Fu It would've made a tear jerking moment between them especially if they went for the Shi Fu being captured plot Chameleon seemed like a *different* kind of villain But her motivation to why she brings back the villains from the spirit realm is pretty dumb Like girl there's someone who knows how to fight *conveniently* right there (Zhen) and your not the only animal in China who's small Mantis can literally lift Po 🤣 I don't hate the movie but I don't love it either I want to but the plot holes, lack luster characters, cliches, absent characters really gave a sour taste I wish Everybody loves Kung Fu song was put into the end credits

[@Dixie1969]

I hate the movies where someone’s gotta give their position to someone else. As much as I love cars three I don’t see why they had to have McQueen sit out on the last race.

[@Mammothgaming2110]

When my interest in kung fu panda peaked (August-October 2023) there was one thing I liked about the franchise and that’s the wiseness in the movies,I haven’t seen the movie yet,but I have a feeling all of this was thrown out the window with this movie

[@calebmaybin6896]

1) It's animated characters, you can find an Angelina Jolie and Gary Oldman Impressionist. We went with through 2 adventures (with multiple seasons) with the 5 AWOL so this was a slap in the face. 2) Li saw his wife's murderer and did nothing? 3) A scene where it's revealed Po tried give Tigress (and the rest of the 5) the Dragon Warrior Title but she, to Po's Shock, kindly declines as she no longer needs ... it would have worked.

[@YouCaughtCzars]

It's amazing how much goodwill Dreamworks got for Puss in Boots: The Last Wish and then immediately follow it up with Megamind 2, which was universally reviled, and a mediocre sequel to a beloved franchise that missed the point of what people loved about it.

[@supercyc10]

The stuff Stephanie went through as she recounted during that interview woulda broke me

[@eliramon420]

This movie felt like it was more of a special to the "Legends of Awesomeness" tv show than an actual new movie. I knew exactly how the movie was gonna go beat for beat a quarter of the way in and just hated how dumbed down they made Po to seem complete incompetent and have this new random character seemingly be better than him

[@Autoboiiiiii]

you can predict every kfp film, po fights a new villian learns a life lesson beats the bad guy the end

[@speedygamey7160]

this is almost sad to see how people were comparing dreamworks villains to let's say disney villains and saying how much superior dreamworks villains are. This movie singlehandedly ruins all of that.

[@Creepinshadow]

Honestly, not surprised, Kung Fu Panda 3 felt like a better ending Edit: Actually I agree with the replies, I just find most of the older movies nostalgic

[@Tanookicatoon]

Kung Fu Panda 3 was made to sell Chinese phones. This series was better when it was two movies and the story of the 5, and that was it.

[@Infinite_Ethan03]

@@Tanookicatoon, Chinese phones? Also, I thought that meeting Po’s Dad and the extended family was worth it.

[@LuckyVine]

@@Tanookicatoon Why are you lying?

[@Zechariah_Mathieson1871]

I haven't watched the 3rd movie in a while, but I remember thinking it was good I'd say 3 and 4 are around the same level for me

[@SiNKarnage]

KFP3 ended on a good and satisfying conclusion on Pos story. Even though there was more to unravel about Po, it was a proper send off. KFP4 had a rushed conclusion leaving viewers with many questions and plotholes leaving a bitter taste in our mouths.

[@EXMachina.]

I remenber that i saw one Interview recently about Hayao Miyazaki (Director of Studio Ghibli) when he released *Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind* to America, they all wanted to Cut his 2 Hours Animated movie into 90 Minutes for corporated reasons and filling his movie with tons of Plot Holes.

[@thedrewster0408]

I think you are talking about the first release of Nausicaä, that was outside of Japan, back in the 1980s by a company called Manson International with the movie title called “Warriors of the Wind”. Namely that version of the English dub for Nausicaä made Hayao Miyazaki not happy with that particular cut of the movie and made sure that any of his movies wouldn’t edit scenes out for future releases overseas and for the rest of Studio Ghibli’s film catalogue. We wouldn’t get an official uncut English release of Nausicaä until 2005 when Disney had made a redubbed version of the movie.

[@mariastevenson9227]

Kung fu panda 1-3 was a perfect trilogy.

[@CrisisghostOM]

Nah the third one is not even close to the quality of the first two

[@jeremiahgreen5632]

​@@CrisisghostOMTrue, but at least it actually felt like it deserved it's place as the third movie.

[@SICProwl]

Would have been cooler if Tai Long was brought back, but he escapes and runs into Po who forces him to go help Shifu as as they go, Po helps Tai Long get over all his shit and then the end is him becoming the next Dragon Warrior and reconciliation with Shifu

[@Tentegen]

That is beautiful and is what SHOULD have happened. He always wanted it but not for power. He just wanted to make Shifu proud. This is my new canan for the 4th. Everything else doesn't exist.

[@darkpromeathean937]

Tai Lung*

[@SICProwl]

@@darkpromeathean937 lol I always wanna put Lung, but then I second guess myself

[@DanielGuzman-mm8ti]

It seems that many people are mad at Disney and Pixar making so many sequels instead of originals like Toy Story 5 Frozen 3 & 4 Moana 2 Zootopia 2 and Inside Out 2 for the sake of money, But then how come DreamWorks and Illumination get free Passes for making sequels and adaptations?!?!

[@gettysburger915]

Because they are known for making amazing movies and shows, yet when they do things like that it seems lazy and uninspired, not to mention with the way things are going it usually turns out poorly, being influenced by woke writers who only seek to put in their opions and not make an actually good movie. DreamWorks has a pass because compared to those 2 it's the underdog, and KFP has been around long enough for it to be a nostalgia hit for a lot of us, like Shrek. However I don't think KFP4 was up to standards and it's very disappointing to see. Actually makes me question if I wanna see the wild robot or the live action how to train your dragon.

[@definitelynotapervert5602]

Nobody is giving those studios passes. DreamWorks has a very reliable track record when it comes to sequels with only a handful of them not living up to expectations, and no one really expects anything stellar from Illumination so their sequels generally seem about on par with their original films anyway.

[@jojobizarrelivingstone594]

Its kind of a mixed bag but disney isn't really known for their sequals (except toy story)

[@Milkyology]

Ever since I saw this movie I kept thinking whether they could’ve headed towards a different storyline instead. KFP 4 could’ve been about how Po used his staff to try and contact Oogway but accidentally releases Tai Lung and has to catch him again but this time perhaps redeem him and let Shifu say his final goodbyes to him. Or it could’ve built upon a parallel between Zhen and Po, knowing they were both orphan and had almost the same upbringing. (Ex: Po’s adoptive father and Zhen’s “adoptive father” Han, Po being taken in and trained by Shifu while Zhen was taken in by The Chameleon and trained as well.) Perhaps this could’ve been how The Chameleon wanted to make her own dragon warrior to bring down Po? Idk, just kind of my wacky thoughts for this film. KFP 4 just felt kinda empty.

[@SarahSmith-sp8gg]

Awkwafina is the death knell of any animated film...I havent seen her voice a film that was a worthwhile experience.

[@AmericaFuckYeah4]

Bad Guys and Migration: Are we a joke to you

[@SarahSmith-sp8gg]

@AmericaFuckYeah4 ah, shame... can't hear their argument over the noise caused by Kung-fu Fu Panda 4 and The Little Mermaid.

[@AmericaFuckYeah4]

@SarahSmith-sp8gg That's not Awkwafina's fault it's the Directors

[@UnboxingAlyss]

@@AmericaFuckYeah4 I agree with this. I' a bit sick of hearing her voice everything at this point, but The Bad GUys and Migration were good. To me, she also sounded slightly less "Awkwafina" than usual.

[@AmericaFuckYeah4]

@@UnboxingAlyss If people can handle Marge Simpson's voice they can handle Awkwafina aswell. Also at least casting Awkwafina is better than casting Rachel Zeigler because at least Awkwafina is kind and funny actress while Rachel Zeigler is the opposite

[@PhanomDrop]

Why Chameleon didn't summon Master Oogway? instead Gen.Kai, he is the grandmaster of Kung Fu

[@Bodacious_Crustacious]

It would've been really easy to make this movie's theme "Family", a backstory for Tigress and where she came from, Tai Lung escapes the Spirit Realm directly after Kai's defeat and reconciles with Shifu to achieve his own destiny, and the annoying ass fox finds a new family to be part of since the chameleon was an abusive motherly figure who demanded too much from her. Also maybe some fun family moments with the rest of the Furious 5 showing how well their relationships are with their relatives.

[@TPRules17]

Dreamworks comes up with amazing movies: Puss in Boots: TLW and disappointing movies too, as a KFP fan I was sorta disappointed.

[@Kaihello-jl1bn]

I found it ok but I ain’t gonna argue, your respected.

[@GabidenZhazylbekov]

Why are you disappointed, lol? Jennifer wasn't involved, and she directed the trilogy. Fanbase don't give her enough credits. Same with DeBois, if how to train the dragon 5 gonna be released without Deboi. Fanbase would be disappointed again.

[@philorcinus13]

@@GabidenZhazylbekov deblois already ruined httyd... they made the third movie.

[@GabidenZhazylbekov]

@@philorcinus13 Disagree third movie was good, not perfect but good due to great finally.

[@Lycan_of_1941]

What Mantis would say about this movie Mantis: That Makes, Zero Sense.

[@job489]

I was surprised that Mr. Ping and Li Shan went after Po as well as Zhen who were going to face the Chameleon, a powerful shapeshifting sorceress. I imagine they were substituting for the Furious 5's absence, then a brief scene showed Po upset at his dads for following along, then that drama was abruptly dropped. This had several chances of drama that can pull at our heart strings like the first two films only to drop it for comedy. Honestly, I'd only rewatch the end credits to hear Jack Black's rendition of "Hit Me Baby, One More Time" during the training montages with Po, Zhen, and the Furious 5.

[@quizzitykae]

They teased Tai Lung so hard in advertising. To the point where I genuinely believe an adventure between him and Po would have been better. The motive is working against common enemies, Po learns he CAN be a spiritual leader in a connection with Tai Lung, and it comes full circle with Tai Lung actually EARNING the title of Dragon Warrior. The fox character wasn't needed, and they could have spent way more time developing the chameleons motive and character. I mean come on, she's the only villain that never got a real name.

[@UnsafestPony81]

I was worried this was gonna be like Toy Story 4. A movie that didn't need to be made since 3 was a perfect ending. Even if they did a 4th, they could have made the story about anything....But we got something that hurts the characters in turn. If I were to do a version of this film, it would have been much longer in Po's life. Around Shifu's age and experience and how his relationship with the village and the FIVE have developed. Even have an apprentice subplot with Po finding the right apprentice and it comes from one he least expected, mirroring the first with how his choosing was a mistake.

[@marvell2192]

The first Kung Fu Panda movie was literally the first movie I watched in theaters. My first EVER experience visiting the cinema, with the ads and marketing decorating the place, making it truly a magical experience. Which is why it hurts me when the sequel was nothing compared to the previous ones. Knowing the fourth movie to not only bad but PREDICTABLE? Very low even for DreamWorks standards.

[@anarivera3594]

i saw this movie yesterday and i felt like it was very… fastly paced. Part of what i loved about the other films is the slow burn the story had and the anticipation that was built upon it. Also, the lesson in this movie felt very empty.

[@wyatthazel7894]

When I just heard that they scratched the part where Shifu and Tai Lung were gonna say there last good bye to each other. 😤 At first I thought the movie was fine, disappointing but I don't hate it... Now, THIS MAKES ME REALLY MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!!!!!!!!!!

[@shirleyyap3208]

blame mike mitchell, stephanie ma stine should be the director not the co-director

[@NoobTheNewt0987]

Like the comment above me said, blame the director. The only person in the crew trying to save the movie is Stephanie, the co-director. But she was treated like a nobody by the crew and the director ignored her requests to improve the movie

[@wyatthazel7894]

Good point.

[@shirleyyap3208]

@@NoobTheNewt0987 ikr, like seriously, the more darker a kids movie is, the better the movie. I hope Kung fu panda 5 & 6 didnt get the same treatment as kung fu panda 4 and replace mike mitchell with joel crawford, stephanie ma stine or jennifer yuh nelson. Those are the trio who made kung fu panda better than the 3rd and 4th.

[@EvokerInvokerble]

It irritates me that they missed the opportunity to give Tai Lung a redemption arc, after 16 years!!!

[@teawrecks1243]

You know, the only redeeming part of this whole movie was Po's two dads Li Shan and Mr. Ping having adventures of their own, which was kind of fun. Honestly this movie would have been WAY better if it had focused on them instead, having a buddy-tag team adventure on the side while Po's off doing his own thing, while maybe building off on the feelings of inadequacy each have: Li Shan for having missed seeing Po growing up, and Mr. Ping having an identity crisis on whether he really deserves to be considered Po's dad since they aren't even the same species, and gradually through their adventures they bond over their shared love for Po and realize that both of them are valid dads in their own special way. They could even face off against a villain who contrasts against the two of them by being a bad father to his own child and at the end of the day the villain child turns on his abusive evil dad and gets two new dads and Po now has to deal with having an adopted baby sibling in KFP 5! Plus I imagine the two have potential for great comedic chemistry if done the right way. Boisterous Bryan Cranston and laid-back James Hong could work together in really funny ways.

[@922sunshine]

Interesting.😀

[@the_very_cozy_burrito]

and the fight scenes

[@EvokerInvokerble]

Too bad this subplot is unnecessary

[@OpoOnTheGo]

@@EvokerInvokerble the whole movie is pretty unnecessary, a fun side plot wouldn't kill it lol

[@EvokerInvokerble]

@@OpoOnTheGo Good point

[@SillyLittleAnimations]

Ngl I kinda saw this coming. Its really easy to tell when a movie franchise is over doing it

[@raktorh5764]

So the villian is basically Shang Tsung from the Mortal Kombat? He steals souls, but he gains the abilities of the person.

[@NoobTheNewt0987]

Except with Shang Tsung he’s a great villain. You love to hate him because he’s terrifying , he’s psychotic and most importantly, he’s an asshole. He’s a constant threat to Earthrealm and it’s shown on screen how evil he is in MK11 aftermath. With the Chameleon tho, she’s just poorly made with zero backstory at all and she doesn’t even do much evil on screen. The only evil thing we saw her do is push a guy down a flight of stairs

[@JaxBlade]

Imho Storywise it felt more like a TV Movie than a Theatrical movie

[@Konani_the_unicorn_queen]

peacock hitler, who _chose death_ over putting down his weapons for a peaceful solution for everyone; "i guess i'm cool with this panda now"

[@AngryLittleAmericansCartoons]

Im going to say something controversial But Tai Lung should have helped Po defeat the Chamaleon and became the Dragon Warrior.

[@makinyoumad9498]

Isn't even controversial It would've been cool if all of the masters helped Po fight Chameleon But maybe they're saving it for the 5th movie

[@bearorb3135]

The entire KFP fans agree with you.

[@dantedemondino420]

They struck such gold with puss n boots- what the hell happened? Got their hands on a taste of success and went and threw it away for megamind 2 and KFP 4… I hope they put two and two together and get their act in order.

[@daniellavaladez7820]

The Bad Guys was amazing, too! They’ve really fallen off since then :-(

[@dantedemondino420]

@@daniellavaladez7820 I completely forgot about that one-! That one was great too, a shame for real.

[@Altronn]

I imagine these movies were in production when The Last Wish released, and I also assume DreamWorks didn't expect it to set such a high bar. It looks like they're trying to meet that standard again with The Wild Robot, so hopefully we'll get some quality movies consistently

[@the_very_cozy_burrito]

you can not put kung fu panda 4 with megamind 2, it is not that bad