Kungfu: The Bad And The Good

[@飛魚不會飛]

Thanks for your comment! I'm that self taught「kung fu」youtuber~I tried to learned Wing Chun、Karate、Muay Thai、boxing and more...this is actally my first mma contest,I not really in the good condition XD ,But I'll train myself to better and better ! I really enjoy using different martial arts style in real fight,in other hand,I like doing video too,that's my job and one of my hobby,any way,thanks for you guys comment❤

[@FightCommentary]

Wow! My man! 有时间做个采访！我把你评论顶一下。

[@morijinsbrother]

it's better to learn from someone but good fight man. keep it up and you'll be great one day

[@LunaticReason]

Commendable effort. I agree with the commentar above get an experience trainer at least. Learning the moves is a good start but you need someone to train you how ot put it all together and to think like a fighter othewise your going in a fight without gameplan and just improvising which is amatuerish. That is the problem with all traditional fighters who go in thinking knowing how to kick and punch is enough without really knowing how it all functions against someone often fail.

[@kanstehnewbie]

you should find a local gym to learn more. There's a lot of things cannot learn from videos. There's things that can only learn from experience. 紅拳和洪拳是不同的門派。

[@FightCommentary]

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[@camiloiribarren1450]

I’m glad Jerry said that there are good styles of kung fu and has seen it when he broke down “Bajiquan Vs “ matches and that he noticed that the concepts of tai chi can be helpful if applied properly. Way to go

[@ShorelineTaiChi]

What style of Tai Chi is this? I do not recognize it.

[@BeenNoticing]

I did not expect Jerry outfit changes to add so much character to commentary so easily.

[@assoverteakettle]

"This inexplicable need to prove [tai chi] in a combat sports arena comes back to haunt it". That is EXACTLY the most honest and concise - without being condescending - evaluation of the current culture and attitude of tai chi in China I have heard. That IS the problem right there explained. There used to be a time when it was understood or at least accepted that tai chi was a very esoteric "soft" or "internal" style of martial art and not really intended for the hard/external applications of fighting. That is to say that the end goal of taichi wasn't really for fighting but about developing internal strength or energy not unlike the force in Star Wars if you want to believe in that metaphysical stuff. A means for more internal health and general well being and we all respected that and those kids who played in their own sandbox (or in the park doing slow mo movements with elderly people). Once tai chi was pushed (according to KZbin's Serpentza channel) by the Chinese government as part of its jingoism and nationalism campaign then it made its fatal mistake in crossing the line in an area where it stood no chance nor was intended -- challenging foreign martial arts that were better suited and evolved for hard fighting. After that tai chi was relegated by the mass audience in the West as being the butt of bullshido jokes. Jingoism did them in -- when you talk tough someone is going to eventually call you on it. As far as the self taught kung fu vs MMA guy. Quite frankly, the MMA guy looked more "self taught" than the kung fu guy. The MMA guy was extremely sloppy in his techniques. Absolutely agree...the headlock is a giveaway that he doesn't know what he's doing. He almost had his back taken. There are times where a headlock might be okay but an experienced MMA or grappler will rarely ever go for a headlock because it can be easily stuffed or countered. Underhooks or over/under clinching are what experts use. The self taught kung fu guy showed more application of technique. However, my advice to kung fu guy is to go train with a qualified instructor because you don't want to develop bad habits. Do it correctly from the start. Every martial art coach will tell you: having good foundations and basics are the most important things and you can only get that by having a qualified instructor show you and give you feedback.

[@JoseLopez-to2mr]

I like the one of boxer vs kung fu, there proves that kung fu do has hands. Not all styles of kung fu has hands that is so effective against a boxer, but one was pretty good 👍

[@EliteBlackSash]

There is no weight class in Shuajiao or Mongolian Wrestling, so he is probably very used to these type of competitive disadvantages. Tai Chi guy you can tell just relies on his size rather than work on any technique. I say that because Tai Chi has extremely good hand-fighting and it is very hard to see any of that from him. One of the more decorated Push Hands World Champs, Chen, has a video sparring with Marcelo Garcia, and you can see how much trouble he gives one of the GOATs. He even launches Marcelo at one point, like you see in the demos lol,

[@ComicusFreemanius]

That arm drag was mantis-y.

[@farkinarkin5099]

Hoong Gar guy wasn't all that bad. Still not a fan of spinning back fists though. The last match: loved those superman punches. A bit of a mixed bag of styles. Southern Mantis? Maybe.

[@lelieutenant7386]

i learned many techniques from this kung fu dude ahah but seriously this MMA dude is crazy unrespectful.

[@theritchie2173]

Great work as always Jerry. I hope more of these leagues & fighters recognise the visibility you can bring to them, and with any luck they'll see the mutual benefit of giving you a reverse reacharound (I may have phrased that incorrectly, I don't do social media).

[@m2y8v]

Oh, Tai Chi grandmaster, teach all the secrets

[@chinesebob7220]

I don't know what style of tai chi is the first guy but would like to see Shuai Jiao vs Chen tai chi. Chen style is supposed to be better at grappling.

[@Joelvel]

No. Shuai Jiao is the ultimate art of grappling in CMA.

[@chinesebob7220]

I mean Chen is supposed to be better than Yang and other tai chi styles in grappling.

[@Joelvel]

@@chinesebob7220, Ah. Noted.

[@PazCristo]

11:39 虎尾腳?

[@Joel-xt5yz]

红拳 is a different type of martial art originated from Shaanxi. They focus a lot more on rapid high kicks compare to Hung Ga. Maybe it's the translation was wrong

[@kanstehnewbie]

the only kung fu guy i see in the video is the boxing and hung gar. others have no kung fu or didn't train hard enough. they don't even know the fundamental of all kung fu, strong stance and balance.

[@TheLittleMerwolf]

I notice that it's always Mantis Kung Fu that gets displayed in these organized fights. There was a Mantis King fu fighter in Ganryujima, and a Mantis guy here. What is it about Mantis that separates it from the other animal styles?

[@jaserror]

the hung gar hook and cross is a bit different than standard boxing technique.

[@KarmasAB123]

First!

[@southpawmoose]

What is MMA translation in Chinese ? Do they call it Mixed Martial arts in Mandarin? Or do they have another word for the sport?

[@FightCommentary]

综合格斗

[@walkwithelijah347]

That knee on the neck gave me flashback to American policing

[@FightCommentary]

Yeah. That’s something i talked to mma fighter saul about. He had a stepdad that was a cop that did it to him when he was a kid. Part of what got him into mma was because of those experiences. I dont know if ive released that interview yet on youtube.

[@walkwithelijah347]

@FightCommentary Wow, very interesting. I wonder if his step-dad did that to teach him or if he got in trouble and his step-dad just happened to be there?

[@LunaticReason]

IMHO. Its not about the style or technique that wins a fight but rather the training, good principals, experience and strategy that makes a good fighter. Without theser in your martial art than your art is dead.

[@henryposadas3309]

The hung gar had to use boxing

[@mmurmurjohnson2368]

BJJ uses the ground to stifle your opponents ability to explode, Tai chi uses connectiveness to stifle it. Connectiveness but not grabby-ness, in my opinion, tai chi breaks down the moment you grab your opponent, at that point you're just wrestling. Camouflage guy had a better understanding of tai chi than I usually see in these videos except he's pushing and resisting more than riding and blending. Effective tai chi movements should result in a break, a choke, a power slam, a seize, or a conclusive strike, is when this style works best IMO. Tai Chi all day on squirmy opponents to no real definitive conclusion is when tai chi starts to break down, it works best within a 4 -5 second window, or less if you're super adept, which makes sense as from what I understand it was developed for wartime applications and not civil competitive scenarios when it's the real deal. Oh, and he actually did pull off that root

[@murilocaruy]

Jerry, there are several styles called Hong Quan. 洪家拳 aka 洪拳 Hong family fist from south，洪拳 flood fist from north，红拳 red fist from north. They are different styles but their name is spelled the same. It is confusing even for Chinese speakers.

[@Don-wl1un]

Not all Kung Fu is the same. To me Wing Chun does not seem very effective, but Shaolin (north, south, or Wushu(competition)) is as good as any other Karate or better.

[@rayray6490]

Performance wushu?????

[@JoseLopez-to2mr]

Agree 💯

[@JrKinabalu]

I think u are referring to sanda

[@JoseLopez-to2mr]

@@JrKinabalu yes and no. I use to study kung fu and there and a lot of hands practice, punching, grabbing and holds.

[@Joelvel]

​@@JoseLopez-to2mr, The only 2 CMA that is practical in combat are Sanda and Shuai Jiao.

[@ComicusFreemanius]

Always amazed how translation skills manufacture so much lore.

[@stuart4860]

self taught- i'd get my money back if i was him

[@TheTwsa]

Jerry is right, there is more tai chi in the blackpanted guy, as he keep gravity better in ave , use and low than big man tai chi.

[@jaserror]

shuai jiao is the granddaddy of kung fu styles basically - hence why a lot of the techniques even in Bajiquan can be traced back to Shuai Jiao roots.

[@petkoterzievbackupchannel]

Clearly the MMA guy wins. He won the fight several times, but they stood them up. Yeah the little kung-fu guy had better cardio, but he was dominated too many times and taken down, ect. If it was real MMA rules, he would have lost, but since it's china, they kept on fighting until the traditional martial artist won, or in this case was proclaimed the victor by the biased referee.

[@Mikester88]

I can't understand how the rashguard guy won when the MMA guy at one point had his knee on his face punching him or full mount with strikes and hes not protecting his face at all. I Guess knockouts weren't allowed or the MMA guy did now know anything either (very likely due to stance and the way he looks away to protect his face). Extreme amateur hour.

[@conphenomenal9]

I wanna believe shaolin kung du can be effective in the ring

[@FightCommentary]

Definitely!

[@gerky-god-of-coin1246]

these were some painful fights to watch

[@fazares]

ok another slew of boxing or kickboxing matches where rules impede any real kung fu semblance...we are doomed to see sloppy kickboxing forever? Yep if we are talking about riing/sporting fight..kung fu is pretty much useless in there...itsnt meant for that....