Mantis, CLF, TSPK, MZLH Used Effectively In The Ring - Kungfu Extravaganza

[@FightCommentary]

Really big thanks to Ridge for liking our channel and sponsoring this video. Check out their wallets, key case etc. here: ridge.com/shouldercheck Also, Kev Wong (Mantis man) reached out to us. Apologies for calling him Alex Wong. His training is in Kwangsai Jook Lum Ji Southern Mantis 江西竹林南螳螂 under Louie Jack Man 雷澤民.

[@timwitherspoon1378]

Hello my friend. Going to do a breakdown response to your video here. I will look at the major defense fails from a boxing standpoint. Would you be ok with that? By the way we sent you a message on IG as your requested

[@FightCommentary]

@@timwitherspoon1378 Please react and break down anything! Looking forward to it!

[@jaserror]

makes sense it's southern mantis, the way they train traditionally, they can take some hard hits.

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

Thank's for sharing our video. That was our very first time going up against Muay Thai for our school. The rules of this tournament were a bit shakey. but we had fun. While they controlled our energy level they allowed the Muay Thai guys to do whatever they wanted. But hey, we went out and represented the Choy Lee Fut system.

[@FightCommentary]

Our pleasure! This video will officially go live in a few days so everyone can see!

[@ericrolson]

Represent! Needs to work on keeping his hands up when he's tired. I know it's easier said than done. Maybe some road work with light hand weights?

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

@@ericrolson we learn a lot for our fist time out

[@ericrolson]

@@hungsingkwoonusa650 Love it!

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

@@ericrolson My student is now living in Ohio, and I've only been able to train him over the internet for this fight. Considering this, he did pretty good. It was a good wake up call, we know what we need to work on now if and when we go back and fight in these muay thai tournament. Rob, did do road work, he did his bes with our situation man.

[@belzebul]

80s kung fu people actually could fight. The last guy in this video was amazing

[@MikeS24-v4s]

Yes, got that right. (We're a dying breed)

[@IntergalacticPirateRadio]

Mizong Luohan is an ooooooold Kung Fu style, quite possibly one of the oldest. It's the core style of the Chin Woo Athletic Association, patented by its founder Huo Yuanjia. Who's considered a legendary, almost mythic figure in Chinese Martial Arts. Movies were made about him, all kinds of stuff. Huo was a major advocate for sparring and the practical application of Kung Fu technique.

[@defaultset]

What are the movies that are based on Huo Yuanjia?

[@IntergalacticPirateRadio]

@@defaultset A good one for me was Fearless with Jet Li.

[@EternalArtsTex]

I teach Mizong LoHan in Vancouver WA, USA. I learned from Grandmaster Johnny Lee Kwong Ming in TX who was a direct indoor student of Grandmaster Yeh Yue-Ting. Yeh brought Mizong LoHan to the Peking Army and taught the army for over 6 years. Yeh was famous for fighting off bandits working for his families caravan company the Always Victorious Security force. Grandmaster Yeh alsot taught at the Chin Woo Athletic Association years ago. MZLH is starting to get fairly popular with schools all across the world now from Hong Kong, Canada, USA, Argentina! This is def one of the high level students in our style. The shirt the MZLH guy is wearing saying MZLH like in my profile picture. The Hong Kong school still has that same design of shirts for class! Very cool video!

[@FightCommentary]

Would love to interview you some time soon!

[@EternalArtsTex]

@@FightCommentary that would be really cool. I am working on getting some content out and mizong Lohan history is what I have been focusing on at this point

[@noelbaterna4141]

Would Master Lee happen to recognize or know of the fighter in this footage?

[@EternalArtsTex]

@@noelbaterna4141 I do not know the name of the fighter but I will ask around as I have a few hunches.

[@VexedCoffee]

Thrilled to come across your channel here! I train at Grandmaster Lee's original school in Shreveport.

[@bambooboy8]

幸会各位兄弟兄妹！ Super honored to be a part of your video. My name is actually Kevin Wong and my kung fu background is Kwangsai Jook Lum Ji Southern Mantis 江西竹林南螳螂 under Louie Jack Man 雷澤民. Just a little background on this video, it was from over decade ago and it was my first fight as a younger man. My only experience in martial arts was Southern Mantis. My friend opened a MMA gym with his brother (MMA fighter who was the coach) and invited me to train. It was great to get to do full contact sparring and test myself. After 3-4 months, we had formed a fight team decided to take Muy Thai fights with a local promoter. Even without Muy Thai training, my friends gym was very open to however you wanted to fight as it was truly an “MMA” gym. Having first fight jitters, it wasn’t the best or cleanest performance, but it was a good experience. I do believe Kung Fu techniques can be just as effective as any other style, especially the concept of “trapping” which fills the gap between striking and grappling. Trapping is an important aspect to Kung Fu (especially southern) styles and I know Southern Mantis has a lot of this to offer. However, I do think it takes more time, practice, and understanding to apply these types of kung Fu techniques (as it taken me almost until now to really apply it). Again, awesome to see this video and the great spotlight on Kung Fu. Hoping to see more and more Kung Fu fighters showcase themselves.

[@FightCommentary]

Thank you so much for your comment! Want to do an interview over zoom some time?

[@bambooboy8]

@@FightCommentary Sure, just let me know when, thank you!

[@Trickster7916]

Last video was insane! Something different about fighters back then...

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

The combo my student threw was a Sow Choy (some may call haymakers) that MT Ducked and when the Sow Choy Passed the guys head, he through our back handed Kwa Choy (Back Fist). Our techiques in CLF are set up that if we miss we have something else to back it up

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

@@theheroandlegendchannel love that. thank you sir

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

@@theheroandlegendchannel Sifu Shane actually was present during our fight against muay. He stopped by and showed support. He kept calling out all the CLF techniques my student was using. Shane is a cool cat. I was there too. One of my junior classmates competed in 4 star. He brought out a REAL sharp sword, and in his form, he thrust the tip of it deep into the court floor and had trouble pulling it out. funny, but we all had fun there. Hung Sing is the fist and oldest existing kung fu school in america. :D

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

Kung Fu forms are the modern day's USB stick. They contain everything you need to know in your style on how to use it, what angles can they move in, what combinations are available, can you fight in multiple directions, and so on. FORMS contain ALL OF THAT INFORMATION. In other words, FORMS ARE THE MANUAL to understanding your system.

[@KevinHuangPhasorQuantaG]

The last guy was really cool. If I’m not mistaken, Mizong is the style practiced by Huo Yuanjia (as in Jet Li’s Fearless), and i think at 10:10 he slipped into splits rather than dropping into any stance. The one you’re thinking of is probably 仆步，not 虚步 (which is cat stance). The English name I’ve heard for 仆步 is drop stance.

[@headlesshorseman7062]

We finally saw it! This Mizong's footage is just something! Much better quality and length video of the best kung fu use in real fight I ever encountered before. I feel very, very satisfied. Hope there are more videos at the internet like this one!

[@FightCommentary]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@shadowfighter6445]

That last one was amazing 😍. It was like something out of a movie and video game. Thank you for sharing ☺️.

[@miguelsuzarte6699]

5:13 in a parallel universe...

[@kevinlobos5519]

Very nice showing from all of these kung fu fighters. From my humble experience with mantis I can't tell what style of mantis the first fighter was, but I can see he abides by something I was taught in taiji mantis which is to constantly change levels. That's pretty much what he needed to win, punches from below and over the top, a kick here and there and he just overwhelmed his oponent. In my choy lee fut school, backfists are called "kua choi" or "dap choi", depending on the variant. The first one is taught more as a combo initiatior or defensive backfist, the second one is purely offensive, often thrown while spinning.

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

Thank you from me and my school.

[@hungniirulfur920]

There should be more Videos like this to present kung fu as effective because im tired of seeing toxic People be like >muay thai is the Best, kung fu bad< even though a bunch of Sanda guys beat muay thai guys like it was nothing. Its something about modern MT fanboys that Just went in the wrong direction

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

YES. I totally agree. Sanda guys like Liu Hai Long known as the King of Sanda was also a Choy Lee Fut student. And he was out there whoopin on fools. now he guides the younger choy lee fut generation heading toward the ring. But i will say this, there was a STRAIGHT KILLER VIBE when we got there to the Muay Thai fight. It was thick in the air. But, after every fight we had, and others, the sense of brotherhood felt at that event is totally lacking in the kung fu world. They were also very very polite. I think if more kung fu schools enter these Point Muay Thai fights, we'll get better exposure.

[@malakatan3235]

It is what promotion of UFC doing, they're trying to get market also want to penetrate to China

[@iSpeedVirusxVR]

Love your channel! I've been studying Tien Shan Pai kung-fu for a little over a year now and I'm becoming so much of a martial arts nerd now. Awesome to see so many different styles out there.

[@FightCommentary]

You part of the group in the DC Metropolitan area?

[@iSpeedVirusxVR]

@@FightCommentary Im not in any group as of yet, but yes im in the DMV area. I study at Dragon Academy of Martial Arts in Lanham, MD. You've done a few videos on my Shifu before in a video 3 years ago called "Tien Shan Pai Kung Fu tested".

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

If your style of martial arts can't adapt to its surroundings and rules, then it's not the martial arts, its the Fighter. Because basic striking is straight, right, hook, upper cut, overhand and jab. If you're a good fighter regardless of what system you represent, then you can adapt to your surroundings and adjust to play the rules. I think too many people who know nothing about kung fu outside of what they see in fantasy movies have a limited view and cannot accept that we're all just human beings. Our arms and legs all move and do the same things. Not everyone wants to be an MMA champ or UFC champ. Some of us just want to know how well we do fighting other fighters from different styles and learn from that experience. Many of us just want to be able to protect ourselves, our friends, and our families from hard if violence against us took place, which was the orignal reason why KUNG FU existed. For example, when Bruce Lee challenged the 67 year old Lau Bun, the founder of our school here in america, Lau Bun represented the old style of kung fu, where they wouldn't expose it unless they planned on killing someone with it. Lau Bun told bruce lee "Boy, I'm an old man now. I will not play with you, I will kill you." He has killed before using his gung fu here in america. This is why you don't typically see kung fu in competition. They trained to end someone's life if they had to. Btw, after Lau Bun said that to Bruce Lee, the latter left without further incident that day.

[@bobsmith5070]

The stories about Lau Bun are absolutely insane. If there's anyone in the history of American Kung Fu that can be described as hard, it's him, from his involvement with the underworld to his fights with immigration officers.

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

@@bobsmith5070 yeah. and the story of when bruce lee challenged lau bun to a fight. lau bun would have killed that teenaged bruce lee with ease.

[@wellsengrey4768]

6:08 he got some cool move there 7:18 kicking the spine. That's cool too.

[@cahallo5964]

all this videos are making me wanna train choy li fut

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

with the focused mindset of combat, choy lee fut is a great system to learn.

[@StarKnightZ]

Love to see some Kung Fu in my Kung Fu sparring videos 😉 I also liked how the Choy Li Futt guy moved.

[@alangordon823]

Odd. At real speed, mantis looks like he's telegraphing, and I wondered how all the punches landed, but when you slow it down, you can see he's NOT telegraphing. I think the optical illusion is caused by the vigorous follow thru on Mantis' punches, which almost looks like a pause or delay.

[@michaelbatts7149]

Tai Sheng Pek Kwar is supposedly made up of 3 Kung Fu styles(Tei Tong-Grand Earth Style, Pek Kwar-Hanging Chop Fist and Five Monkey System). The silver staff is the system's signature weapon.

[@FightCommentary]

That’s super interesting and gives me a lot of new leads to look up! Thanks for this!

[@michaelbatts7149]

@@FightCommentary It is supposedly one of the hardest martial arts to learn because of the Five Monkey System- Lost, Tall, Wood, Stone and Drunken Monkeys. Each one teaches a certain aspect-Stone Monkey, for example. Teaches how to not only dish out the pain but also how to take it. Tall Monkey is not as acrobatic as the others. It is designed for big people to train. The infamous Drunken Monkey is the craziest and most dangerous monkey around. Lost Monkey teaches deception and sneak attacks. And so forth and so on.

[@junichiroyamashita]

​@@michaelbatts7149what is Tei Tong ?

[@joedrock2]

The way that first mantis guy was pressuring, that's how I was taught to apply wing tsun, in the pocket til it's over. I know it's sad, chunners don't pressure test enough, just had to chime in cuz I love when I see that principle applied well.

[@nickdavis5420]

First video dude got stunned by the kick and all of a sudden it was blood in the water . Last video the Japanese guy was very tough and ridged like you said interesting.

[@botanicalbiohacking6065]

Mantis is hook and uppercut heavy. Basically a circular structure. At closer range that turns into take downs. Hooking head repeatedly. The main kicks/footwork mantis uses are oblique kick and roundhouse so given the rules he was working well within his style. Which branch of mantis? Can't say, but if I had to guess I would say seven star simply because it is more prolific.

[@youtubeuser1159]

The fighter trained under Sifu Louis Jack so it's Southern Kwongsai mantis but not the kind Henry Poo Yee or Gin Foon Mark teach.

[@katze97]

My background is 7 star. His punch combo is basic mantis combo that is probably common in many mantis school. 掛捶Quai/hook, cross, and upper cut。

[@katze97]

I like to use mantis quai/high hook to score unexpected cheap shot during my MT and Krav sparring because it can be delivered from the same side of your jab which you never deliver a hook from the same side right after your jab in MT

[@youtubeuser1159]

@@katze97 southern mantis has no hooks like wing chun, lots of hammer fists though

[@katze97]

@@youtubeuser1159 thanks, I didn’t know that.

[@hemispace641]

The Mantis fighter, who was the first fighter, was using what is known as #7 of the "8 Rigid Methods" of some Northern Praying Mantis styles. Specifically, #7 is known as "Left and Right alternate Roundhouse punches". Boxers use it all the time, and some call it "Hooking off on your opponent".

[@aswinmannepalli3212]

Really interesting! More please

[@FightCommentary]

On it!

[@theXaint]

Awesome content!

[@woutvanostaden1299]

I like the new intro. 😀👍

[@FightCommentary]

Been around since 2019

[@ulises6442]

1:10 super decent kick by mantis guy. Opponent never tried clinch what style is that 🤔

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

The TMA path is an individual one - by Sifu Frank 2022 When it comes to traditional martial arts (TMA) in modern times, one thing has been lost. That is the notion of "mastering" your chosen style. Mastering it doesn't mean being a good "performer". It means you should understand, comprehend, and "OWN" the material that you have learned and "Perfect it". What does that mean? It means you should for one, know the 5 W's (Who, What, When, Where and Why) of what you are learning. For example, if you are a big fan of Sweeps, you should know everything you can about "Sweeps" like how to practice them, how to build them, how to use them whether its for attack or defense, how to escape them, how to counter them, and so on. This is ONE way to "Master" Sweeps (this goes for all the tools that make up your system). For two, know how TMA works for YOU as an INDIVIDUAL. TMA should never be, as it never was, turned into a "Cookie Cutter Factory" of martial arts. By nature alone, we as individuals are and can be very different compared to the next man. What works for me, may not work for you. But, mastering martial arts means you would know exactly how things work for you and you alone. When you become a teacher, mastering the art will help and aid you in transmitting the art and how to shape it for the next person to find and travel down their own martial path. Any and all FIGHTING METHODS are only as good as the person using it. There's no way around it. If you are a fighter, then you should explore your TMA's tool box. For another example, "Righty tighty Lefty Loosie" was created to help people understand how to use a screw driver. When using Saw's of any type, you learn what to do and what not to do when using it. Same thing goes when using a GUN. A good student would learn the do's and don'ts of handling a gun or will suffer the consequences for their lack of knowledge. The same thing applies to TMA or any fighting art. By Itself, "OLDER" cars, guns, or tools cannot work without someone actually handling them and using them. This applies to TMA or any other fighting system. If the "USER" is inexperienced these tools will not work effectively for them until they come to learn and handle them with skill, knowledge and precision. The TMA path is an individual one. Our teachers become our guides to make sure we don't make mistakes that some have learned the hard way. Still, at the end of the day "Hard learned lessons are the best lessons learned. Know how to make TMA work for you as an Individual. - Sifu Frank

[@benglasby8014]

Honestly, if traditional martial artists would just take a leaf out of boxing, kick boxing and MMA’s book of fitness, pad work, bag work and sparring, their martial art would be more effective.

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

My club is already ahead of the game. many in CLF are starting to follow my lead

[@EternalArtsTex]

So thats a misconception that traditional martial artist dont do that. Now there are a ton out there that I guess didnt get the memo but I grew up learning from a direct lineage to Mizong Lohan and we def practice the way this fighter was fighting. Glad to see Mizong Lohan represented. I guess other styles dont pressure test but you are absolutely right that if they are not practicing and training like a fighter they will absolutely lose

[@benglasby8014]

@@EternalArtsTex a lot don’t or didn’t previously train with pads and spar. It’s also the volume of training too.

[@ComicusFreemanius]

Sort of mind blowing, despite the delivery.

[@EngineerMK2004]

The first guy was southern mantis. They throw hammerfist down and hooks with grabs that focus on seize and pull down. They are beaten by defending sides and forward and countering with jabs and crosses.

[@bennyaruba3449]

Looks like the Kung Fu guy in the last fight could've been in a lighter weight class then his opponent. Still put up a great fight! What u mean by "sidekicks rarely doing what u think they do" btw Jerry? 🤔

[@FightCommentary]

It’s paraphrasing Icy Mike 😂😂

[@kalivr1908]

I feel you there with those narrowminded viewers who dismiss this as mere sloppy boxing or kickboxing. For some stupid reason they don't know how to slow down the video and try to analyze what's going on, It's hard to appreciate anything if you just take it at face value. It's the same thing with George Foreman, people think he's a terrible boxer but when you slow down the footage, there's a lot more nuance to his fighting that anyone thinks, it's the same thing with the Kung fu Fighters presented here. Either the foolish don't know how to slow down footage or they only went to an mma/boxing session once and suddenly they think they know how to fight.

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

I always wonde why all the nay sayers all have troll accounts?

[@YamabushiSpirit]

Have you ever reviewed Don "The Dragon" Wilson? He was a Pai Lum Kung Fu black belt.

[@FightCommentary]

Yep. Search his name on our channel. We’ve featured him once.

[@Viewer13128]

regarding tai shing pek kwar guy, he didn't listen to his master and went to party and drink every night, underestimating his opponent due to too much success. regarding switching stances, tai shing pek kwar is supposed to switch stances fluidly between peks, kwars, and hooks. however, due to gloved rules, they lose everything and can only throw hooks. the TSPK guy here isn't doing any of the fluid stance changes here though. Grandmaster Chan Sau Chung had several students winning championships, and some of them fought in very low stances, unlike this student who fights more upright. anyway, you can see the power of the hooks from tai shing pek kwar here that can change the tide of a fight. if he didn't slack in training, he should've dominated the fight.

[@drez13]

Rabbit punch was mantis move? Pretty hard to discern TBH. All just looks like kickboxing🤷‍♂️. I guess the stance is lower and the techniques slightly different 🤷‍♂️

[@charlesbetancourt7337]

Tall monkey kungfu from the first fighter. Most people would say you shouldn't look at kungfu movies for the real kungfu but some of them are goodook at " Mad Monkey kungfu" and you'll see it has elbows and knees similar to muaythai.

[@charlesbetancourt7337]

Sorry I meant the second fighter in black pants.

[@malakatan3235]

Basic move = muaythai or boxing that pretty odds, because kung fu been around longer than thosr two

[@markwong4266]

The moves the CLF did was Sow Chui, then either back Kwa Chui or back Dot Chui....yes, we use these combos!

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

YUP YUP

[@des6853]

First Mantis fighter, i noticed he liked to use his non attacking hand to trap or stick to opponent's outstretched arm while he was throwing combos (which looked like big swings but I'm saying the hand would catch other dude's arm as it was retracting)

[@algomez8563]

No way in that fight between the Asian Kung fuer and the Black kickboxer were in the same weight class.

[@danielburgess7785]

Made weight then had a day, or a couple of days, to put kilos back on; Some fighters can do that, some can't. The weight cut can devastate you if you don't come in close to the class weight. Many UFC fighters get wrecked trying to make weight and it shows.

[@algomez8563]

@@danielburgess7785 Ok but the American is much bigger than the Kung Fuer

[@nickcarroll8565]

@@algomez8563 for sure, weight aside the reach difference was huge.

[@gokuworld]

There are some good kung fu fighters

[@orionpete]

I have book by Paulie zinc...it's a training manual for monkey style axe fist...Tai Sheng pek war

[@FightCommentary]

Do you have a pdf of it?

[@Chronicskillness]

Definitely Northern Mantis. Probably 7 Star. Just super aggressive with bridging the gap and attacking. Can't grab with one arm and strike with the other so he's just going back and forth.

[@IntergalacticPirateRadio]

Muay Boran, and by extension its descendant modern Muay Thai, has its roots in warfare, as well as ritual combat. Rooted in techniques passed down from India. (Muay Thai comes from the ancient Indian art of Musti-Yuddha. Ancient Indian Kickboxing) Kung Fu has gone through drastic reformation since the rise of Communism in China, with most if not all schools that taught proper combat being forced to comply with these new rules. What you have is the inevitable *watering down* of Kung Fu's techniques, in favor of the more socially acceptable sport of Wushu. And then you have guys like Xiaodong who are like "Wait, this shit doesn't work.".

[@FightCommentary]

I’ll save Musti Yudda into my “take a look” list

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

Right. But in my schools case, our founder Lau Bun left China in the very early 1920's and came to the USA, bringing with him some of the most original material, ideas, concepts and what not from before the communist days. It's been preserved here in USA for 100 years now. But, Xiaodong has never defeated Choy Lee Fut fighters up till this point. Perhaps because he knows that CLF is combat tested and effective, backed by what bruce lee said about CLF. "CLF is one of the most difficult styles to attack or defend against"

[@IntergalacticPirateRadio]

@@hungsingkwoonusa650 I really admire individuals like Donnie Yen, and Bruce who are able to infuse a bit of Modern, and Traditional concepts into their fighting styles. Bruce Lee's "Tao of Jeet Kune Do" really opened the door to the exploration of eclectic martial arts systems, and the rise of MMA as one of our country's top professional sports.

[@IntergalacticPirateRadio]

@@FightCommentary Be warned, it's a tough style to find information on. Just about went extinct during the days when the British were in charge. Only survived by going underground.

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

@@IntergalacticPirateRadio Me too. WHich is why an undertone of what I do for my school is "traditional training with a modern touch". If you think about it, CLF is def a Mixed Martial Art of old.

[@youtubeuser1159]

The mantis guy is using Southern Mantis Kwongsai style Sifu Louis Jack Man lineage. Much different than the Henry Poo Yee or Gin Foon Mark kind. More effective IMO

[@youtubeuser1159]

Also mantis fighter has a channel bambooboy8 with more videos. He beats a grappler in an MMA match in one video

[@wesleyjackson7487]

what is the difference between southern and north mantis this guy looks very different from that alexander mantis guy on streetbeefs

[@youtubeuser1159]

@@wesleyjackson7487 southern mantis is about 75 percent hands and 25 percent kicks. The forms are short fast and not flashy. They can be practiced in small spaces. My Sifu would say about the distance of a sleeping cow laying down😂. There's 3 branches, Chu Gar/Chow Gar (similar but very different in some aspects), Kwongsai Jooklum, and Iron Ox. I know a little Chu Gar and Kwongsai. It's fun to practice and you develope a strong root from stepping in the forms

[@jmamvs544]

El tspk está relacionado con el piguazhang o piguaquan a su vez con el tongbeiquan pero sobre todo el pigua tiene movimientos similares al boxeo

[@TheHailstorm77]

Good video. He hooked his arm that is typical mantis. Once you hook that arm the fighter is purely defenseless. Mantis works and of course boxing 🥊 gloves won’t work but his counter and speed works.

[@RidgeWalletYT]

Cool wallet 😎

[@FightCommentary]

Look at this! You guys are active on KZbin! That’s miles ahead of many companies 😎😎😎

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

There was no Clinching allowed in this tournament. People weren't even allowed to make any noises when they fought. So many unfair rules. but they seemed to pick and choose which rules they'd enforce.

[@FightCommentary]

That’s hilarious about the no noises 😂😂 we need to organize something intergym or something!

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

@@FightCommentary I'll shoot you the rules they went by.

[@ful5160]

I feel like with enough strength and conditioning these more traditional martials arts can be effective

[@gokuworld]

For any kung fu fighter please add sanda and bjj and you good

[@kenken8765]

DID THAT GUY SKINNED HIS ARM?!

[@kidd32888]

The last fight there is a size disparity favor the kickboxer

[@hankwatt]

Other dude reminds me of long neck

[@taylorbee4010]

Chit lay fut Buk Sing has done the best historically

[@_Imanu]

Based on what?

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

Buk Sing is definitely a good fighting branch of Choy Lee Fut. But, here in America, the Hung SIng Kwoon done the best. Part of that includes the fact that my Sisook Kenneth Wong shut Bruce Lee down on stage in front of an entire audience after bruce lee declared he was so fast that NO ONE in the audience would be able to block his lightning fast strikes. He welcomed anyone to try. SO, Kenneth Wong went up on stage and blocked every single punch bruce lee threw at him, shutting him down. Bruce Lee was PISSED OFF and EMBARRASSED. Hung Sing Kwoon in USA had more than one encounter with bruce lee before he left the bay area. In fact, my sifu's first teacher Bing Chan was the person who drafted the challenge letter to Bruce Lee before the Wong Jack Man Fight. In america we did the best historically speaking.

[@iROChakri]

It is actually hard to find the "actual Kung fu" in the ring. The older footage you go, the lamer it looks. The newer footage you go, the more it looks different from their traditional forms found in their old footage, and it looks more like kickboxing/muay thai ie sanshou. Over all though, they look like amature floppy kickboxing.

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

Do you honestly think Kung Fu people are supposed to fight in the way we do our forms? what is it exactly that leads you to think this ill conceived way? is it not possible to teach, practice, perfect the individual tools of a kung fu system and turn them into your own tools? Why is it 98% of people think that FORMS or kung fu movies are how we're supposed to look? From my position as a teacher of students who get into street fights and even enter the ring, and do well at that, i disagree with everything you said. And challenge YOU to post up videos of YOU NOT LOOKING LIKE FLOPPY KICKBOXING. But i know i'd DIE before you ever posted such an example to prove your stance right. WE will continue to do what we do and we know you're just bumping your gums. I suggest you just stick to your video games and leave the martial arts up to martial artists.

[@iROChakri]

@@hungsingkwoonusa650 "Do you honestly think Kung Fu people are supposed to fight in the way we do our forms?" ... well not really and that's why Kung fu doesnt work. You teach kids forms that dont work in real fights. Hench like I said, when Kung fu actually puts in a ring, they dont fight like Kung fu. They fight like Boxing/Kickboxer/Muay thai. Btw, Muay thai and Boxing ... still fight like they did in 1930s. Whatever they did, they still do today. What they teach in classes are what they use in rings. I guess its time to admit that traditional Kung fu is inefficient. But the fragile ego just stops you form doing that o.o Someone is really mad out here lol

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

@@iROChakri "well not really and that's why Kung fu doesnt work" opinions are like azzholes. we all got one. but you are one while being one. good on you. "Hench like I said" um, you mean HENCE. NOT HENCH. wtf. LOL. LAME. OLD muay thai practices forms just like any other asian martial art. LAME. "What they teach in classes are what they use in rings" what you see in our forms are the same things you see MY students doing in the ring or the street. "I guess its time to admit that traditional Kung fu is inefficient" AGAIN, STICK TO YOU VIDEO GAMES. YOU'RE MOST LIKELY BETTER AT THAT. "But the fragile ego just stops you form doing that" which would explain a lot about YOURSELF, since you're not a martial artist or a fighter. Good Sh*t

[@iROChakri]

Ok so if Kung fu works, why does it look more like Kickboxing/Muay thai today rather than their traditional forms in old footage? I thought Kung fu had long ass history. Maybe its all fake? Its either you admit that Kung isnt practical for fighting and be proud of old Kung fu footage ... or you can just admit that Kung fu isn't old at all and all those old footage of 1000 years old Kung fu is fake. So which one is it? Fragile ego is attacking. Please calm down and breathe. Have some tea and do some tai chi dancing. "what you see in our forms are the same things you see MY students doing in the ring or the street." ... so you dont teach your students Kung fu anymore, but more like Kickboxing? Where are all those old Kung fu forms? They dont work so you dont teach? You're a confusing man. Hey, dont forget to leave a like on my video games

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

@@iROChakri you really should stick to playing video games. It's nobody fault but your own for not knowing that when you put gloves on someone you take away half their kung fu. And as human beings we all have the same tools two hands Tunis two elbows two fists 2 ft and there's only so many ways we can use them I think you're really expecting to see a form or a kung fu movie in which case you'll never see it that way

[@TheGodFatherBlasta]

Dude show a commentary between a fight with DK YOO AND MANNY PACQUIAO

[@malakatan3235]

Basic move = muaythai or boxing that odds statement made by UFC promotors & believed by MMA fans. It might be true if kung fu is invented after those two, but sadly it didn't suit the narrative

[@richardhenry1969]

Not seeing any Muay Thai. The guy did have Muay Thai shorts on.

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

That's silly. It was a complete MUAY THAI event. We just crashed it to see how we'd do. but every one else there was muay thai.

[@cahallo5964]

"negachiva"? a negating-goat?, your t sounds very weird

[@FightCommentary]

Portuguese, my man. It’s a different pronunciation.

[@fjpioneer3509]

Didn’t see any mantis ,

[@joanstone6740]

just looks like average kickboxing once they get in the ring Might as well not waste your time and just learn kickboxing from the start All those forms and fancy maneuvers don't seem to really work in the ring

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

You're back and reading from that script again. that's some funny stuff

[@joanstone6740]

@@hungsingkwoonusa650 too real 4 u ? remember you approached me first...

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

@@joanstone6740 right. now you follow my lead LOL

[@ColossalSwordFormAndTechnique]

Using a lot of energy moving lmao 🤣 while getting punched in face

[@Soaring_Hawk]

If everyone would actually spar enough and integrate their unique skills into the kickboxing or grapplung framework then we would see kung fu flourish instead of espousing the magic internal chi death punch garbage.

[@mrt445]

When fighting there are only 4 5 styles that come into play or a combination of these styles. Boxing/kickboxing, throws, wrestling and submissions.... I didn't see any kungfu styles in this fights, only extremely poor striking. People who claim otherwise are lying to themselves

[@MbisonBalrog]

Mantis won’t work if wearing boxing gloved

[@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe]

We just saw the opposite of what your saying.

[@MbisonBalrog]

@@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe you did not see mantis

[@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe]

​@@MbisonBalrogOf course you did. The front stomp kick followed up by a 12 to 6 over hand punch, the attack straight forward and aggressive but at an angle and many more.

[@MbisonBalrog]

@@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe lol did you watch the vid?

[@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe]

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[@TheHailstorm77]

I said this many times and will say it again. UFC is very over hyped. KF full contact matches fights are just as fast and powerful than the last video we’ve seen. Speed and power. Seen too many of these cages and they’re slow and boring. Again, it’s just new Mellinials not around when tough fighters were around. Bill Wallace, Don Dragon Wilson, Sugar Foot, Benny the Jet and just many more were true hardcore fighters and would eat the UFC fighters alive. The speed, agility and power were there and I saw a lot of great techniques displayed. Majority of the UFC have zero techniques and just slugfest. If they were to go against these fighters from the 70-90s they would get destroyed. The first UFC was staged by the GRACIEs family that cherry picked and rigged all their fights to promote their BJJ. They were challenged by many of the top Kung Fu schools that were legit but they decided to cherry pick and ignore their acceptance. Including my own Kung Fu school.

[@academyofstreetdance1107]

Dude throwing drunk haymakers = look at that mantis move. Fml

[@youtubeuser1159]

Stick to dancing bud

[@AzFarhad]

Lol actually all of it looked like a sloppy kickboxing

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

that's a typical a** troll comment from someone who can't show them how to it properly.

[@interestingtopics419]

mantis kung fu fight ? they are suppose to fight like an insect but the insect is wearing boxing gloves and fights like a man ha ha he is not suppose to break the kung fu rules . this is why i call fantasy art never works in a real combat situation

[@thesun564]

Imma be honest bro, you were reaching very hard on this video. A lot of these “different” punches and combos are just sloppy Boxing and clinching.

[@championboy4782]

Bruh Tell me you ain't ever seen Dutch Boxing without telling me you ain't ever seen Dutch Boxing.

[@thesun564]

@@championboy4782 Do you mean dutch kickboxing? Because if so I have seen it and it is very crisp and clean, unlike the very sloppy kickboxing we have seen in this video.

[@humbertoinfante9598]

thre is not kung fu wirih boxing Golves on

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

This comment says your knowledge of kung fu is very limited.

[@fazares]

exactly

[@fazares]

Cool kickboxing matches...kung fu...i cant see any...kung fu isnt apt for the ring

[@hungsingkwoonusa650]

So are you saying that TCMA doesn't have Straights? Hooks? Overhands? Uppercuts? Cross punches and jabs? and if you say we do, you're insinuating that we are wrong for using them as if there is some mystical chinese way of launching said strikes that would separate kung fu from any other striking system? If my system naturally uses elbow and knee strikes, are you saying we're imitating Muay Thai? Do you even study any type of martial art?

[@malakatan3235]

Basic move = muaythai or boxing that odds statement made by UFC promotors & believed by MMA fans. It might be true if kung fu is invented after those two, but sadly it didn't suit the narrative

[@kalivr1908]

Either get an eye doctor or slow down the footage, otherwise this is obviously bait

[@fazares]

answering the comments...it's basically some kung fu principle applied to kick boxing under determined ruleset....basically some kind of sanda stuff...just throw in a kung fu guy in a boxing match with rules and he will look like a bad boxer...same here....i ve applied some kung fu tecniques in real life so yes it works...i m practicing baji quan btw

[@BakaaGoGo]

This looked like the old school mma when was called "Vale-tudo" nice!

[@Danetto]

the 'karate' guy clearly is wearing muay thai outfits on his arms...

[@zaberfang]

When you remember that Mantis Style is basically a stylized kickboxing style in another name.

[@zaberfang]

The heck is with the cage floor. Its an accident waiting to happen.