Kurt Cobain's ex details relationship amid his rise to fame

[@AgentXPQ]

I actually knew her a little bit when I lived in Boston- I would see her playing on the subway platforms (most often on the Red Line, at Park Street) and in Harvard Square on Friday and Saturday nights. My friend Kevin had a crush on her. We were not close friends, but we were friendly, and would chat here and there. If anyone is questioning whether Mary Lou is putting on an act here, she isn't. She is an authentically nice person.

[@brownyuio]

‘Big fan of your work! It’s amazing that you got to know Mary Lou in person.

[@chainsawteddybear]

Fancy seeing you here Lev!! Hope you are well friend

[@dannyho6786]

I bought her first mix tape for 2 dollars !! I think its in the back room still, sucjh a sweet girl !!

[@tomakafrankconlon3207]

I knew her best friends 2nd cousins next door neighbors dog walker son in law.

[@JW-vd4il]

Thanks for sharing! I know in one way it doesn't matter at all, but I was still hoping she really is as nice as she seems! 😀

[@jacklowe3429]

Her story about Kurt was one of the best I've ever heard about him.

[@junebugjunebug4492]

Do you know where to watch entire interview?

[@EternalLifeWithJesusChrist]

God is good. Repent and believe the gospel. Jesus Christ died for your sins and rose from the dead. You can be forgiven. You must be born again. There was a woman who had an alabaster box of very precious ointment and she poured it on the head of Jesus. We need to honour the King. The Lord God. ”that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.“ John 3:15 KJV. The Lord Jesus Christ. Repent means change, change from sin. Turn away from sin. Love and fear God. Call on the name of Jesus Christ. Draw nigh to God and he will draw nigh to you. He saved me. There is the lake of fire which is burning for eternity and there is heaven. I have eternal life in heaven because of what the Lord has done. Be ready for the day of judgement.

[@burningechoes1485]

"We sat in the wall, in front of the hotel until the sun came up just talking " Such a blissful moment

[@tickytocky5448]

Such YOUR FACE

[@graciekattan6618]

I thought the same exact thing. It’s like a beautiful dream

[@EternalLifeWithJesusChrist]

God is good. Repent and believe the gospel. Jesus Christ died for your sins and rose from the dead. You can be forgiven. You must be born again. There was a woman who had an alabaster box of very precious ointment and she poured it on the head of Jesus. We need to honour the King. The Lord God. ”that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.“ John 3:15 KJV. The Lord Jesus Christ. Repent means change, change from sin. Turn away from sin. Love and fear God. Call on the name of Jesus Christ. Draw nigh to God and he will draw nigh to you. He saved me. There is the lake of fire which is burning for eternity and there is heaven. I have eternal life in heaven because of what the Lord has done. Be ready for the day of judgement.

[@ktwashere5637]

that's when you know its real.

[@liluhaas]

she threw the "oh you're a fan? name their top 5 albums" on him ahaha. cute

[@tickytocky5448]

Yeah cause that's a thing

[@liluhaas]

@@tickytocky5448 It is lolz

[@tickytocky5448]

@@liluhaas Listen to me lil high waters lady with rips at the bottom of yo jeans

[@liluhaas]

@@tickytocky5448 I don't need your sass today beloved!

[@malia7434]

@@liluhaas I like your energy lol

[@julianpottermusic]

That would have been such a good relationship for Kurt

[@diesel12191]

he would probably still be alive today ;-;

[@chomme9027]

🙄

[@coltoncurlee5067]

Ain't it a shame...

[@tylerjackson4168]

@@coltoncurlee5067 ..to go fishing on a sunday....

[@petahoee8281]

Completely agree!¡!¡!¡!¡!¡!¡!¡

[@nigelcarren]

"Nirvana... who? No, sorry mate you are not in the list". WOW... seems crazy now.

[@aineearley]

nigelcarren I know

[@mooknick242]

your name is NIrvana?? Nope don't see it on the list sorry...fast forward a year and that guy has a story to tell.lol

[@Cairo98_]

@@mooknick242 Oh I bet he does. 😂

[@evancain4906]

@@Cairo98_ Celtic

[@Cairo98_]

@@evancain4906 💩😉

[@donaldwestfall6143]

You are 100 times cooler than Courtney Love.

[@prehistoricgemhem9426]

Courtney’s amazing tho I may just be Baiest but

[@AngeloComedy]

@@prehistoricgemhem9426 she killed him.

[@nonaaame550]

Angelo yeah lmao

[@krisfrederick5001]

Ugh Kurt.......why didn't you go out with her instead...

[@ihatetheinternetitsawesome]

@@krisfrederick5001 none of your business?

[@angierucker5505]

I wish, he would have stayed with her... She seems really sweet

[@winning3329]

Men don't like sweet women they want women who remind them that they are trash.

[@Katie2986]

Angie Rucker she is

[@wrighj]

@@winning3329 No we dont .

[@amberhaskins5279]

He had a beautiful daughter with Courtney Love,so how could you say that. Obviously he didn't think much of her did he?? You also can't judge a person you never met on a 3 minute clip either.

[@giulianacr2638]

@@amberhaskins5279 get a 3 minute clip of Courtney and compare it to this 3 min video, thank me later ;)

[@ralfo33152]

To give you an idea of the sort of person she is. After I saw her play a show I really liked her and wanted to buy her cassette she had for sale but I didn’t have enough money. She gave it to me and said mail me the money when you have it. Of course I did

[@iceWaterProductions1]

Nice. I’ve had that happened with another artist also. I mailed them twice the amount.

[@noyes1973]

wait i love that omg

[@Bellasie1]

Her loveliness shines through. Thank you for sharing. I can't help but think he'd still be alive if he had stayed with her.

[@juliettejamour5484]

i liked your story as much as i liked hers

[@imalrockme]

@@Bellasie1 My first thought!

[@guitarFAIL]

Kurt was a really nice guy. may his soul Rest in Peace

[@paulthomson9709]

Did you know him well then?

[@crappysk8er703]

No Rock in peace kurt in some quiet spot in heaven or nirvana or somewere else

[@wifeofwon6156]

@sophie W LMAOOOO STOP

[@driftmemes8539]

@sophie W And your parents are divorcing as I type

[@MaryLouLord1]

Hello anyone reading. There was MUCH more to this interview than just this short piece. I hope that someday they release the whole thing because it was the only time I actually ever told this story with anyone. (ON camera, anyway)..... I talked about the loss of my dear friend Elliott Smith (who was a little brother to me, and how I looked out for him, and how we shared time on the road, and our friendsip.....), Elliott also passed away....And I talked about the fact that, if Kurt had the chance to have met Elliott (the window of time between them meeting each other was tiny) -Maybe 5 months. Kurt would have adored Elliott. If they had gotten the chance to meet, I honestly think they would have made music together, and quite possibly, saved each other's lives through the love of music, and what they could have balanced out, and given each other. But alas, it never happened. But my God, I SO wish Kurt had hung on long enough to have met, befriended, and ultimately made music with Elliott. In the "extended" interview (that you do NOT see here), I told that story as well. Elliott was in Portland after finishing College at Hampshire, and Kurt died just a couple months before. Man, if they had ONLY gotten the chance to meet. It should have happened, and it would have been amazing for both of them. For Kurt to find Elliott. It quite possibly could have saved him. Just saying. Someday I hope this entire interview (not just THIS clip) will be shown. There was SOOO much more to it, and so much more I said about those first few months of Nirvana's breaking, etc.......anyway, It meant a lot to me, and I THOUGHT they were going to run the whole story about everything I said. But, they cut is short. ANyway.....In my mind, Kurt and Elliott are together and finally met. I miss them both SO very much.

[@MaryLouLord1]

@@deeqasalaad6598 Thank you so much for the kind words. I appreciate. x

[@lovelyDannyify]

@@MaryLouLord1 Thank you for your beautiful music and for sharing these awesome stories!

[@viicxyz]

Thank you for sharing all this. I was born in the 2000's and I am a big fan of the 90's, so your stories provide a lot of super interesting information, specially for the younger generations. I really want to see the full version of the interview!

[@NautilusGuitars]

Hey, Mary, thank you for sharing all of this. I'm sorry they disregarded so much of the interview. These large corporate media houses are awful, especially when it comes to deeply human things such as these. I highly recommend you reach out to Daniel Sarkissian here on KZbin for an interview and an opportunity to speak about these things for posterity. He does a ton of Nirvana related interviews with people who knew and worked with the band, and I'm certain he would be thrilled to hear your stories about Kurt and Elliot. Most importantly, he wouldn't cut any of the interview out. Just something to consider. I think it's important for these stories to be told in full, and I would love to hear the details of what you've outlined here.

[@axel8728]

That is a dream for me. Kurt and Elliott are my two favorite musicians. You are so Lucky to have had a relationship with them both. I love the work you did with Elliott.

[@TheMarkCraig]

So glad Mary Lou FINALLY decided to tell her story. She only told me bits and pieces and I kept saying "tell your story" whether in a book or this way, I am happy for her.

[@daBEAGLE1017]

My story with Kurt is the same. I taught him to play the power cords left handed on a right handed guitar while also writing some weird lyrics that eventually became Smells like teen spirit. Mary Lou was also there and gave Kurdt the inspiration for the lyrics to Spank Thru.

[@SciPunk]

@@daBEAGLE1017 im high are you serious?

[@daBEAGLE1017]

@@SciPunk i also taught Elvis to shake his pelvis.

[@TheMarkCraig]

sadly, they did not as far as I know. When NIRVANA played on the UK show The Word doing Teen Spirit, that was when Mary Lou found out about Courtney Love.

[@daBEAGLE1017]

@@TheMarkCraig how about the time in Hollywood when Mary Lou was stalking Kurt after a show and Courtney chased her down the street trying to get her. Thats always a funny story.

[@bananafanafoferry6970]

Kurt didn’t like nice girls. If he did he would have stayed with Tracy Marander. He got with Courtney because she stalked him and he was attracted to the drugs and the excitement she brought to the relationship. He chose her because she was loud and trashy. He didn’t want stability. End of story. He made a choice.

[@yandman26]

Good job you know all of his past thoughts.

[@bananafanafoferry6970]

Yancade hand built games machines - Of course I know this. It’s exactly what happened. He always dumped more demure women for punk rock chicks. Maybe if you read some of his interviews you’d know this, too. On one he even talks about how exciting life with Courtney was. He dumped Tracy Marander for Tobi Vail, he dumped Mary Lou Lord for Courtney Love. Do that math, genius.

[@bananafanafoferry6970]

Roxanne K - stuck up? How? 😂

[@nathanc.6568]

Venus in Pisces.

[@ErikBlanc]

Project currently in preparation ... Like & Share... Come as your are !! :)

[@thewedge8823]

It's too bad Kurt didn't stay with her.... He would probably have been alive to today if he had.

[@stephenkane2464]

Good thinking

[@chaseattaway7553]

That's the truth for alot of guys sadly

[@asong4thedead]

@@chaseattaway7553 Around 50 women are killed each MONTH by their abusive partners. I don't think women are the problem..

[@runi5413]

If Courtney hadn't driven him completely mad then we also wouldn't have In Utero, though

[@westonwheeler2311]

@@asong4thedead Get tf out of here feminazi. Both genders have problems. And acknowledging a males problems involving a woman isnt a bad thing

[@carriegray5273]

You can feel her heartbreak and anxiety oh my god.

[@tickytocky5448]

Know what else I can feel? That you're a simp Disney obsessed weaktard

[@TypeOnegativ3]

@@tickytocky5448 oooo weaktard, shiver me timbers 🥶

[@sadtianii6061]

true, feels very depressing

[@carriegray5273]

@@tickytocky5448 Ooooooh! You really showed me...

[@tickytocky5448]

@@carriegray5273 i got u

[@carxcel]

I’m happy for her that it happened. Some nice things are just not meant to be. That’s the sad part. Life is the biggest prankster of the universe. Thanks for sharing this.

[@garybourke468]

das.sawdust : So poetically well put .

[@garybourke468]

das.sawdust : So poetically well put .

[@garybourke468]

das.sawdust : So poetically well put .

[@superacecombat]

Gary Bourke sometimes you gotta say something three times

[@superacecombat]

Gary Bourke sometimes you gotta say something three times

[@BryanWagner]

One time about 7 years ago Mary ended up at my house with her party after a show in Philly randomly and she was the most genuine, captivating person I think I ever saw or listened to. She played her songs and everyone loved them. I know we are intrigued by her relation to Kurt, but having met her without knowing about that I can say she is herself an incredible, amazing person.

[@MaryLouLord1]

ty Bryan. xo

[@jenniferbobennifer6164]

omg the melvins were mentioned on regular tv. never thought id see the day.

[@frisbeeshawn5356]

Buzz

[@notanotherfuckingnikki]

Right lol

[@miked7420]

A beautiful woman who likes The Melvins? I think I'm in love!

[@ravenmysticstartarot8964]

@@miked7420 😂 I was going to agree and saw this that's cute

[@winterlynn9012]

Yes! The Melvins are amazing and unfortunately underrated. The discouraging thing is i often only hear them mentioned when the topic is Nirvana. Its like they live under the shadow of Nirvana

[@DarkKnightSatellite]

If someone like her had stayed with someone like cobain they would have split after one year. Because good girls like her couldn't deal with the substance abuse of their loved ones.

[@camilaibarra1929]

This is something that it needs to be said: Kurt was a great artist and probably a nice guy, but no one could have dealed with his problems. Dating a drug addict and a mentaly ill person is not a good choice. I'm glad she didn't stick with him. For her sake.

[@sush1iii]

Like Katy Perry and Travie Mccoy

[@Xxmeca421xX]

Yep. No guy in his 20s on heroin wants an everyday girl. Kurt liked how crazy she was.

[@aurora8749]

No, the truth is people like Kurt don't appreciate nice, normal girls and seek out something more thrilling and toxic

[@DarkKnightSatellite]

@@aurora8749 that is true.

[@kartiersupremewhite330]

Wow,it’s really amazing when someone knows you before your famous,,,and says such nice things!! It’s just really touching!! She seems like a sweetheart!

[@theCosmicQueen]

LOL she's using her one night stand or whatever it was to get views and plays and sales.

[@mercurialpierrot7073]

The guy had issues,but I feel that if he had stayed with her or someone as kind as her, that maybe he could have worked through his demons.

[@MrGoodman174]

Hopefully even lectured him about the downside of being suicidal and heroine etc. I honestly prefer him to marry Mary instead of Courntey. Cuz we all know where that story went.

[@wvu05]

Sadly, some people seem drawn to the wrong one. You should watch interviews with his ex-girlfriend Tracy Marander. If he had just stayed with her, he probably would have been in a much better place.

[@asong4thedead]

Why act like Kurt was a child who couldn't make his own decisions? He loved Courtney. He married Courtney. He had a child with Courtney. You should read Kurt's love letters to Courtney. He chose to do Mary Lou dirty by not telling her about Courtney and her having to find out on TV.

[@asong4thedead]

@Nathaniel Birthurth A common personality type? Seems like you're projecting some misogyny. I know a lot of women and none are like that. Besides, he made his choice knowing full well who she was, a former stripper with addiction and anger problems. He liked that. She had a bad reputation. He didn't care. Water seeks it's own level. Is there a male equivalent to a succubus, or are we just blaming 'evil' seductive women for men's bad choices in partnership?

[@asong4thedead]

@Nathaniel Birthurth There's just as many terrible men as women. Kurt already called out people like you for treating him like he was weak or naive for being with Courtney. He didn't want people like you as fans. That's all that needs to be said, really.

[@justanotherguitarplayer9767]

Tbh if Kurt was 200% sober, he probably would've never even gave Courtney a 2nd look, and they would've never had a relationship, let alone a child together. He would've stayed with this woman or Tracy.

[@asong4thedead]

@@justanotherguitarplayer9767 He used Tracy, then cheated on her with Tobi

[@tahsina.c]

another game of whos to blame. two people are part of a relationship- if thats not obvious i dont know what is

[@erinwalker6185]

I have her EP. Such an overlooked singer.

[@stephenkane2464]

Definitely

[@amerocker]

'Got No Shadow', Mary Lou Lord.

[@jonathanmontalvo1513]

Kurt had a very severe depression problem. But I think this woman would of help him to get through his demons. I find her very humble, sincere and good hearted. 3 great medicines for depression.✌🏼

[@user-pl5pw5iy5s]

You're not his doctor. He was murdered

[@jonathanrossmusic2509]

That’s pretty cool that she was one of the first to hear Nevermind!

[@rayliggett5878]

It's said because in the sound of her voice... She is still in love with him

[@hueroski]

or she's a psychopath

[@TALKINGtac0]

Ehhh huge assumption

[@kimn8438]

If I was with him I still would have been too

[@kimn8438]

I would have been too if I was ever with him!!!

[@housecloud]

i agree, but not in a day to day kind of way. she spoke on her podcast about not getting closure because of the courtney thing and then his death. there's part of who she was, that's a fraction of who she is now, that's still attached/wanting an answer. which is sad, but understandable.

[@jeremytheoneofdestiny8691]

Crazy that Kurt has been dead for 27 years, and his ex is still not even old. Just shows how tragically young he really was.

[@iamnoone4046]

When men and women are in their young 20s, we usually are attracted to the wrong type. As you get older who you find attractive changes, because you as a person changes too.

[@quinnieschannel8003]

Very well said, thank you! 🦋

[@JK-12378]

Indeed. That why i divorced in my early 30’s

[@anotherbigfootwithinternet2147]

Kurt married and got killed by the wrong type.

[@ravenx7032]

Facts

[@hagaras82030]

@@JK-12378 what a waste of time then

[@SeanzViewEnt]

The best singer ever legit facts

[@your1NonlyPleasure]

@TheSubmarines1 tell 'em 👏👏👏 💯 (to be fair, they both respected each other lmao 😝)

[@billieuilani2858]

@TheSubmarines1 Layne had more proficiency in the specific technicalities of vocal performance. Whereas Kurt had a more nuanced and unique vocal style. Which, in turn was particularly hard to imitate effectively & achieve the same raw emotion. It is the most distinct voice I've ever heard. (Of course man bands striving for commercial success imitated him later on, but he was the first)

[@avakate7747]

Chris Cornell had an amazing voice, undeniably beautiful. So many incredible bands emerged in the early 90’s and completely transformed music. I miss the 90’s.

[@anotherbigfootwithinternet2147]

@@billieuilani2858 bruh comparing Kurt and Layne is like comparing a McLaren to a second hand KIA, Layne smokes him, only singer that actually holds a candle to Layne is Chris Cornell. Not saying Kurt was garbage, he had a unique voice.

[@Ruinz410]

@@anotherbigfootwithinternet2147 yep! Staley and Cornell are in their own league. Cool fact is they had the same voice coach in mid 1980’s. Maestro David Kyle! R.I.P. to all three guys! Andy wood too.

[@Job.Well.Done_01]

I remember the day Kurt died and I’ve remained a Nirvana fan for all this time. Kurt was highly intelligent and otherworldly - the music lives on!

[@daBEAGLE1017]

I also was a huge Nirvana fan and after he killed himself i didnt listen to Nirvana until 2002 due to how p.o.d i was at him for being selfish to his family and fans. I realized i was the selfish one and depression is never self chosen. God bless Courtney and Bean.

[@jessicapinon7952]

Where's the rest of the interview

[@Derp009]

Jessica Pinon FORRREALLLLL

[@elmobrother]

And why is this released now?

[@Derp009]

It’s the 25th anniversary of his death... his manager just released a book “serving the Servant”

[@davidellis5141]

Nirvana were caught off guard by their sudden surge in popularity. They had inked to Geffen because Sonic Youth told them they would be allowed to grow organically. They grew overnight , Huge ! The rest is 🎸 History.

[@jimmyfreeman9133]

Insurance scams.

[@QuicK-SiLver]

R.i.P my brother Kurt Cobain, the greatest of all time

[@b-radgluckman1091]

The Truth not your brother

[@stephenfiore9960]

The Truth ....Here is a song dedicated to Kurt Cobain (abbreviated K.C.)... by the For Squirrels called “The Mighty K.C.” kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3PFnWaIpcyBhJY

[@MrGoodman174]

@@b-radgluckman1091 Brother as a form of respect. Don't take it literally

[@howardferguson1281]

90's rock was the best. I don't care for the rock of today most of it's just angry noise.

theres was that in the 90s too dude

[@danieleden2550]

Angry noise was kind of Nirvana's thing, along with the rest of grunge music.

[@rsears78]

Same. Cobain was the last true rock star. This trash that’s out today sucks

[@albert5838]

Howard Ferguson wasn’t the appeal of 90’s rock the best anger

[@ChristopherPaulBacon-m2l]

Howard Ferguson ikr? I like today's Rock just cause it's about the only good thing on the radio sometimes, but even that is only a couple songs. I like some of the anything from 70s Rock up to early 2000s stuff like Puddle of Mudd and Seether, but after that, Rock (along with all other music) went straight down the toilet. I think Kurt could've kept Rock good.

[@kamikafka]

Is this the same Mary Lou Lord that played with Elliott Smith?

[@damen8409]

Yeah

[@CS-mo7xp]

no that's a different mary lou lord. there are trillions, all musicians too.

[@estebanquito356]

Where's part 2 fo this? And 3, and 4, and 5, and 6, and 7, ...

[@jokerhere4504]

estebanquito356 yeah I feel like a lot more is to be said about this stpry

[@leeanngraham5035]

Whose to say them not working out was a blessing for her. Kurt woulda/coulda dragged this beautiful woman down his road of drugs and depression, destroying her life as well as his own.

[@themagicalfox6]

Yep, or if he had stayed with her she'd get blamed by everyone if he continued to stay addicted to heroine

[@sadtianii6061]

ur comment is underrated, that made so much sense

[@libertarianjesus8312]

I forgot Mary Lou dated Kurt. I always associate her with Elliott Smith

[@kaeltkottmir]

Rather with Elliott than Kurt

[@michellemilligan2973]

He chose or she chose a destroyer of rock destiny....

[@nancybabbage1169]

She does an incredible version of Half Right if you can find it.

[@MrGoodman174]

If only Mary Lou married Kurt, we still would've had the King of Grunge today.

[@SL-vk3bi]

I don’t think kurt dating mary lou. I feel she just side chick. Kurt always on the road. They’re know just 4 week. And Obviously kurt want Courtney bc he met Courtney since 89. And kurt and Courtney started talked each other in may 91. Before Kurt dating Courtney. she have relationship with billy corgan so kurt don’t dare into her bc he thinks he doesn’t attracted to her.

[@Rach113]

She reminds me of Tara Reid.

[@ktothec24]

Her and Tara Reid couldn’t be more different

[@Rach113]

ktothec24 I think it’s the way she has her hair and the way she talks. Idk just my first thought when I saw her.

[@onlyplayaseattacoswiththei9433]

Me 2. The shape of her mouth & eyes....but she took wayyyy better care of herself 😊

[@chasityyork1240]

She also reminds me of Shirley Manson

[@JoJo-zx9sc]

@@chasityyork1240 yes! I knew she reminded me of someone but I couldn't quite put my finger on it-but now u said it Shirley Manson was defo who it was!

[@pilotdrift05]

These stories are so important to rock history. Thank you

[@kimtonearts]

Cool memory. 🙂 Sometimes... I think how different his life could have been. With the right woman beside him. He has such a sweet inner spirit. RIP Kurt.

[@basilrose]

The universe sent him the perfect partner, part of the tragedy is he failed to recognize and receive

[@damienhughes1996]

Don't we all fail to recognize the fact that we have been sent the perfect person, alas we have to live and die with the memories and thoughts of the what if's...

[@ElohAraphel]

The universe had set him on a path, and he took it. No regrets.

[@chomme9027]

The universe sent her, her job was done. He moved on. The end.

[@TheUnknown-je2re]

Who are you to say that the "universe sent a perfect partner"? What you consider a perfect partner may have not been what Kurt considered perfect. People grow apart, and move on. It's part of life.

[@micaela7159]

Christigoth Kurt had a bunch of cheap and easy lays?

[@Insertcatchienamehere]

It makes me sad to think there were so many good reasons for him to live. Frances Bean, family, friends, a career doing what he loved to do... make music. Just makes me want to cry knowing that he was putting ona brave face but deep down he was so utterly depressed. RIP Kurt. Ur legacy will live on!

[@Charlito732]

After Tobi Vail she dated briefly with Kurt.

[@beachcomber4141]

Toooo bad a certain someone came into Kurts life shortly after this. Mary seems so very genuine and cool. All about the art vs. all about the fame and money.

[@marioluigifun]

She seems really nice! Cool of her to come out and share these stories.

[@theCosmicQueen]

nobody would know who she was if she didn't come out and name drop about her one night stand with a famous guy who was just using her.

[@stella-vu8vh]

Mary Lou Lord also dated Elliott Smith, and long story short, Mary Lou Lord is fantastic! such a good songwriter

[@fionamackey6926]

Why did she date 2 incredible artists who's significant others were accused of their deaths? I find that kind of ironic.

[@jennybasa5817]

Based on her story on how she met Kurt, it seemed that he was a very respectful guy. He didn't try to get into her pants by being a sleazeball... he was humble and knew how to say thank you. It was clear how she respected Kurt as a human being on this clip.

[@MaryLouLord1]

He LOVED music. He loved Daniel Johnston. He loved the Misfit music that no one cared about at the time. I ALREADY knew the bands he loved, and I think he loved me for loving them, without having been turned on to them BY him. I already knew.

[@Satan97458]

RIP Kurt Cobain. Can't believe it's been 27 years and you're still gone.

[@soofitnsexy]

ahhhhh still?

[@jaq8604]

Imagine being friends with both Kurt Cobain and Elliott Smith. Jesus, she was so lucky.

[@officialrenderedmusic]

Wow! What an amazing story. I recall reading somewhere that Kurt said about being on the brink of explosion onto the music scene is the most exciting part of being in a band and you were with the guys and Kurt whilst this was happening! That is priceless. Now he is remembered worldwide as one of the best songwriters and they were one of the best bands of the 90s. Nirvana inspired millions and millions of kids to start playing and will always be remembered.

[@sweetlilly4425]

Personally I think Kurt would have been much better off with her

[@mountainmamanirvana31]

I cry happy tears for this woman's life experiences that she wasn't even aware at the time would impact her as a human being in such a profoundly beautiful way. Nothing can take those moments from her heart...nothing.

[@MaryLouLord1]

thank you.

[@ittckus1]

Love it or hate it, Kurt clearly chose Courtney. NO ONE knows if his fate would’ve been different with Mary Lou. Heroin + Depression, took him under. Just appreciate his legacy and support people with addiction and or mental illness.

[@themagicalfox6]

Thank you!!!! I'm tired of all the let's blame his wife comments, tbh any women if he had been married to any of them would get blamed the same way Courtney is if Kurt was still doing drugs and commitment suicide, women will always be blamed for a man's poor choices

[@ittckus1]

@@themagicalfox6 So true, she gets a bad wrap only because she’s outspoken and not a token wife.

[@pandaroc1]

This is such a fascinating story! We’re is the rest of it?

[@filipematias5127]

Tracy Marander was the most important of Kurt's ex-girlfriends because she was the one who was behind his creative genius by giving him some emotional security and financial support for about 2 years that allowed him to concentrate ONLY on his music and have the freedom to write almost all of the songs from Bleach, Incesticide and part of Nevermind during the period they were together as a couple (Kurt lived at her house for a time where he also did some paintings and artwork)!

[@dannyreed2887]

howthehelldidthathappen.podbean.com/feed.xml Episode #9

[@micaela7159]

Danny Reed thanks

[@ksam545]

True that.

[@bingonamo7520]

It's a shame he didn't end up with Mary Lou, instead of Courtney Love. Maybe he'd have never become a heroin addict and maybe he'd still be alive as well.

[@Danathema]

He already was a heroin addict, that's why he dumped her.

[@frankperry2874]

My freshman year in college was the first year The Ratt was closed. My dorm was a few blocks away. I remember seeing the front of the place closed up and the whole city was in mourning.

[@TheAwesomeHomestead]

man, if he was with her for the next few albums, they would be WAY different! we would probably still have him and multiple other records.

[@yourgirlltrinity]

OOOMMMGGGG i was searching for it! She's the girl cited on Heavier Than Heaven! Oh Mary, you are awensome 💙💙💙💙💙

[@rayna463]

wow listening to this kills me... its like anyone's dream to talk to kurt til sunrise and man oh man if he had ended up with someone else... love you kurt

[@lisasmith7066]

She’s the sweetest girl. Actually answered one of my posts. Sad to think what could have been…

[@MaryLouLord1]

xo

[@lisasmith7066]

@@MaryLouLord1 🙏💕

[@vivalasammm]

Wow what could've been. Kurt met Courtney at a Portland show. He himself said he had never met anyone so outspoken and charismatic. He loved the excitement she brought to their relationship. Courtney was like a version of him he could never bring himself to be. He was more shy and introverted. That's probably why he was so attracted to her more than any other chick in that era. Their drug abuse brought them closer together unfortunately, but even with Frances and his rise to fame, he couldn't handle it. It's such a shame to see someone like that go. We have lost too many people to addiction and suicide. It's not fair for people to blame Courtney for his death when he was an adult that made his own decisions. She tried to help him even when she was battling with her own addictions. For their marriage, Frances, and the band. Because he wanted to end it all. And he did. Tragically.

[@quinnieschannel8003]

I think there is more to the story...

[@vivalasammm]

@@quinnieschannel8003 and what is that exactly? Obviously i wasn’t aiming to summarize a whole lifetime in one comment. But please share your input, I can only imagine what it is lol.

[@SL-vk3bi]

Right! He decided himself bc this is his life. people act like he is baby innocent. Kurt have sex with many girls like Courtney. Kurt have bad habit and selfish too. He cheated normal girls all for Courtney. He have double dippin. Obviously He never want stability life. I believe Courtney give sex, drugs and raw him. kurt outspoken and raw more bc Courtney influenced him. I mean Courtney many guy want slept with her too. 90s she beautiful and sexier. Great body. Back then he have many girls for chooses it. But the end he chose Courtney

[@samyandkitty8399]

I wish I could like this more than once. People from our gen on utube don’t happen very often it is lovely seeing this, thank you for posting.♥️♥️♥️💯

[@davidellis5141]

I liked it for you !

[@doradebosco]

It's almost like Kurt was at a fork in the road with two women; one path will be thrilling and tumultuous and lead you into hell, and the other path will lead you to peace and light. We all know which road he chose, unfortunately.

[@Crash184]

how do you know going with a woman he wasn't in love with would have led him to peace and light?

[@Mollys-lips]

I'm so glad I was a teenager in the 90's, thank you mammy for hvn me when u did. Life will never be that simple yet advanced, cool but not judgmental, fun but not conceited.I feel bad fr the teens nowadays , there's no music, no style (they're rocking 90's style thinking it's theirs poor things) They don't hv that rawness we had. Music is dead. I miss the band's , the individuality , the carefree life. I miss the 90's ✌🏻❤🙏🏻🎸

[@lauralynn5932]

I was 18 in 1991...One of the best years of my life. :)

[@lots4113]

@@lauralynn5932Right on

[@jonbon1995]

Music is not dead. Your mind is. Kurt was all about expressionism, no matter how it's done. Maybe in a perfect world you get rid of modern music. And all bands/music sound how you want them to sound then what would that be? That would get boring and bland real quick. Learn to be more open minded. Just imagine how your parents felt when they first heard you listen to Nirvana. That's why this generation is annoyed by "old heads" you guys still have your bitter 90's cynicism in uuuuuu

[@etherealcatholic5711]

The 90's were the last decade before we all became slaves to dystopian technology. That decade had a lot of bad stuff going on but I think this is why so many of us miss the 90's.

[@gracesarahoktovina8781]

I wish i was teenager or early adult in 90's 😭😭

[@summertime2993]

This is a shame, you could have saved him hitting his emotional side, with that pure and sweet sincere love you have to give ✨

[@theCosmicQueen]

They just weren't a match at all, he was utterly promiscuous. nothing romantic going on here, for him. Just in her mind.

[@graciekattan6618]

@@theCosmicQueen where did you even get that he was promiscuous?

[@trumancapote9097]

What an amazing story. I wanted to hear so much more. I was so envious of her getting to know KURT COBAIN (who was only one year older than me) so early in his career and when NIRVANA were right on the edge of forever. It was just the 27th anniversary of his death. He has now been dead as long as he was alive. Such a sad and preventable demise. Still miss and LOVE YOU KURT!!! Wish you were here. RIP

[@IGlowIFlow]

Seems like a nice lady, lucky one too to have met Kurt Cobain!

[@StephenS-2025]

Fame makes a man take things over. Fame lets him loose, hard to swallow. Fame puts you there where things are hollow (fame) Fame ...

[@philipreedwallace]

This shows Kurt’s humility. What a cool story.

[@martinslota3254]

What is the name of the song playing from 0:47 to 0:58 and what is the name of the song playing from 2:29 to 2:41

[@Wout.vlmnck]

The first song is 'Lights are changing' and the second one is 'Two boats', both from Mary Lou Lord's album 'Got no shadow'.

[@rafaelreis456]

2:06 kurt leaves a bit of love in her hearth

[@JohnnyBeane]

Thank you Mary Lou!

[@terrestrialgoldfish2700]

Wow. That actually made me cry.

[@armandcouture4655]

This is such a great story!! I grew up in a suburb just outside of Boston. Awesome to know Kurt had such a positive experience in my neck of the woods!! Wish he had stayed with her!!

[@theCosmicQueen]

why? he was just using her for a quickie, as was his usual. This wasn't a romance or a love story at all, she is trying to make it into that but it's 100000% bogus. it's getting her a lot of attention though.

[@JoeCnNd]

She would have kept Kurt level headed. It's ashamed that it couldn't become something.

[@mandistrausbaugh4571]

She's such a beauty with a kind smile 😊❤️

[@theCosmicQueen]

LOL beauty?

[@thecamocanoe]

Where can we see the rest of this interview?

[@nichole9699]

The Camo Canoe not sure why the full video interview isn’t available but you can read the rest of what she had to say here www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/kurt-cobain-death-ex-girlfriend-musician-mary-lou-lord-sheds-light-on-rock-icon-before-stardom/

[@nichole9699]

The Camo Canoe you can also listen to her complete podcast here howthehelldidthathappen.podbean.com

[@mixtapepublishing]

Mary Lou Lord is a living legend. Been listening to her stuff since 1993. If anything I hope all the people who came here to read about Kurt go and check her music out. Start with Got No Shadow album or Martian Saints EP. Great stuff!!!

[@theCosmicQueen]

no she isn't a living legend. she'd be unknown if it weren't for the fact she drops kurt's name all t he time. Disgusting .

[@arnhdgs]

Some details to her story don’t quite add up. Smells Like Teen Spirit wasn’t filmed at Fairfax High School, for example.

[@smudgesaysno524]

Details get mixed up all the time. Plus it's been a long time since then.

[@nmain543]

But how did kris and Dave get home??

[@jadepixie2719]

Mary has a lovely singing voice.

[@beakerstreet1090]

She would have been so great for Kurt! He might actually still be here today if he would have given her a chance. I would have never chosen Courtney over MLL!

[@mack3137]

He never died.

[@asong4thedead]

@@mack3137 yeah he's in Guam with Elvis, Andy Kaufman and Michael Jackson

[@PM-nk2ix]

A media controlled by the CIA (w/ govt trolls everywhere online) said Cobains dead so it must be true - mileswmathis.com/cobain.pdf

[@LeshaAnn]

@@PM-nk2ix Found the Q-Tard!

[@dimatadore]

Awe man where’s the rest of it

[@oneminutefixed5003]

Courtney Love has left the chat

[@joleneloveland2942]

Did they have to wheel her out?

[@SL-vk3bi]

Courtney said: sorry girl, i got him. Lol 😂 but obviously kurt want Courtney bc they’re met each other since 89. And started developed feeling each other until dating 91.

[@Blisteryn]

People say she's better than Courtney but what made Kurt what we know today was his relationship with Courtney too. People hate Courtney but Kurt loved her and that's what matters in the end.

[@enriquepastor3626]

Thank you for being the first respectful and rational person on this comment section haha

[@veera2890]

Their story is a very interesting case of what could have been. What if she did go to the Chicago gig? Kurt begged her to go but she didn't bec she was afraid to lose her job and didn't want to impose on the band for expenses. That was the same night Courtney went to Chicago for Billy Corgan but they had a fight and got thrown out of the apartment. Courtney then went to the Nirvana gig where she pursued Kurt and that was the first time they hooked up. What an incredible chain of events. One decision could have changed history as we know it.

[@AURORATHEANIMATOR]

Thanks for sharing Mary Lou!! What a rad story. U seem so sweet compared to the psychophant that he married 🖤🖤🖤

[@lephilosopheinconnu3952]

Lol

[@mstyles2667]

Oh this is so sad, she was/is in love with him. Too bad this didn't work out as she seems like a great woman.

[@nick011182]

Looks like she’s aged a little more gracefully than Courtney.

[@actuallyNo...]

Nick Austin lmao...Juuuussst a BIT

[@MrGoodman174]

Akward moment when you found out she is 1 year younger then Courtney but 2 years older than Kurt.

[@micaela7159]

Loner Phoenix Courtney is 3 years older?

[@MrGoodman174]

@@micaela7159 Yes. Courtney 1964 ,Kurt 1967

[@nicovargas7776]

I love Mary Lou Lord, she has a beautiful voice.

[@lawrencefeldman7744]

Mary Lou's records are awesome.

[@ralieghTsakers]

I love you Mary Lou Lord

[@spiritchild9101]

Remember when music and people were legit. Everything mainstream these days comes right off the corporate assembly line.

[@raemontargaryen123]

what if kurt had a relationship with her, maybe we still have nirvana today

[@gaylelauren5691]

This is such a beautiful story. Imagine how it would have been had been together opposed to courtney

[@m.y.ohara-smith2912]

Hope this woman finds Peace.

[@courtneymichelle4498]

And shuts up .

[@SL-vk3bi]

She never finds peace. When she started interviews. she always talking about kurt in public. Her story sounds like groupie. Want catch him

[@tvviewer4500]

Her face is so expressive she is more powerful than most.

[@davidboden5791]

She's such a sweetheart. I'd give my middle leg to grow old with her

[@hughjanus5655]

They “talked” for an hour

[@longbeach7623]

They probably did. Kurt was kinda beta to put it nicely.

[@JW-br3jf]

He dated Melissa McCarthy?

[@yzabellerosales8075]

J W oh s***

[@joleneloveland2942]

Is this real? Or am i dreaming?