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"The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers - loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.
“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”
The driver, Ahmed, was a recent immigrant and apparently a die-hard fan of Secular Talk, the political talk show that Kulinski broadcasts on KZbin. I told him, yes, in fact. I do like Kulinski, had come across his show several years ago, and, all things considered, he seemed pretty good.
“He understands what we’re up against,” Ahmed said. “Like Bernie.”
But I was surprised to hear Kulinski’s name mentioned in the same breath as Bernie Sanders, particularly with such adoration. Because what I did remember about Kulinski’s show struck me as mostly capital-P “progressive” takes on the news - the left wing of the Netroots crowd more than the democratic socialism Sanders has popularized.
It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.
“I have no time for philosophical, airy bullshit,” Kulinski tells me from his home in Westchester, New York. “I don’t want to hear about Lenin. I don’t want to hear about Marx. I just want a super plainspoken, straightforward agenda with a straightforward way of selling it.”
With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on KZbin, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do - even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.
While Secular Talk might be more likely to be looped in with the progressive networks around Air America and Pacifica alums like Sam Seder than the more resolutely socialist world, Kulinski’s fiery rhetoric, razor-sharp class instincts, and knack for withering takedowns sets him apart from his peers. Judging by his rhetoric alone, he’s closer to a Eugene Debs than a Chris Hayes.
But unlike Hayes, Amy Goodman, or his friend Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks - who began airing Secular Talk on his web network seven years ago - the thirty-two-year-old Kulinski is virtually invisible in the mainstream media. Despite his enormous fan base, his show has never once been mentioned in the obligatory trend pieces on “the Millennial Left” pumped out by the prestige media. Nor has Kulinski’s name ever popped up at all in the New York Times, Vox, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, or the Washington Post, despite his leading role in cofounding Justice Democrats, the organization widely credited with sweeping Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of “the Squad” to power.
Just last week, his Wikipedia page was deleted. The reason? “There is very simply no [reliable source] coverage of this person,” according to one moderator. In new media, he’s king - the Sean Hannity of the Berniecrat left. In old media, he’s nobody.
I suspect there are a few reasons for that. There is nothing “cool” about Kulinski’s show. (As a friend put it, “‘Welcome to Secular Talk’ sounds like something you’d hear on Egyptian radio.”) His no-nonsense social-democratic politics won’t get him much cred with the Full Communism crowd. He records his show not in Brooklyn or Los Angeles, but in a studio he built himself in his modest Westchester home. His hair is too groomed and his taste in clothes too preppy to qualify as “Dirtbag Left.” Nor has he ever attended an n+1 release party. “Not only have I not attended one,” he says, “I have no idea what that means.”
And yet he’s astonishingly plugged-in for a young man in the suburbs. Wondering how Sanders ended up on the Joe Rogan Experience? Kulinski, a frequent guest on Rogan’s wildly popular show, introduced them. “You make the most sense to me,” Rogan told Kulinski on a recent episode. “You’re a normal person.”
Much like Sanders himself, Kulinski’s show has a massive audience that just doesn’t compute with our media’s understanding of “what the kids want” or even “what the left-wing kids want.”
It’s probably for the best - the very woke and very WASP-ish decorum haunting much of the media world is nowhere to be found in Secular Talk. “Corporate Democrats over-focus on identity as a trick to divert you from the issues that unite us all - class issues,” he said on a recent episode. “That Raytheon decided they don’t hate gays or trans people - frankly, I don’t really give a shit what their take on that is..."
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[@_KITE]

I honestly never knew that Imperial Japan held Taiwan for half a century. I’m glad I learned something new today.

[@elnorton7113]

Taiwanese changed their self recognition as chinese also because the new government modified their history book.

[@tomshady3530]

USA held Phillipines for 50 years. ONLY reason we let it go in 1946 was because of racism. They were USA citizens, and we JUST fought a war to get them BACK from Imperial Japan! If we didn't get rid of them, 25% of our population would be phillipino. And no white people in USA wanted that--- 15% are already black! Bye Phillipines, sorry we are so very racist! We can still be friends, kinda? Oh, and ditto Puerto Rico!

[@darth_blackcat1694]

As someone who has been in tech and IT for over 25 years this trip is no accident and has nothing to do with Taiwan as a friendly jesture. This is nothing more then corporate aid to the semiconductor industry in Taiwan. Over 70% of all semiconductors and CPU are built in Taiwan. If anything happens to that supply chain it will cause massive issues on a global scale. Another reason for national security why it is never a good idea to completly outsource your manufacturing outside on a complex global econonmy on such a critical component in a region that is already has high tensions.

[@seanupton709]

interesting thoughts , thanks for sharing. One problem with the profit motive is that it really prioritizes short term maximum profits.

[@benjamindavis2475]

This makes sense

[@Sheebert]

You’re spot on, the reason why the chip shortage is even a thing is because most consumer electronics use the 20 gauge semiconductor which has become standardized and a single TSMC plant that makes them burnt down, affecting the entire global consumer electronics industry.

[@waterfrodo4304]

Yep, nothing to do with politics. Pelosi just needed to check how her new chips investments are doing.

[@RayCromwell]

Exception that TSMC is opening two 5-nm fabs in Arizona with plans for a total of 4, Samsung is opening 1 in Arizona, NXP is opening 1, Samsung is opening 1, and Intel is building 2 in Ohio and that was before the CHIPS Act. If anything, the 12+ new fabs scheduled to be built in the US undermines the importance of Taiwan, and so this explanation that this has something to do with protecting Pelosi's investments makes no sense. If anything, she's shifted her investments to take advantage of the CHIPS Act.

[@thebusrider7676]

Less than 15 countries actually recognized Taiwan as an independent country.

[@eugenedebbs2189]

They don't recognize Taiwan as an independent country. They recognize the govt in Taipei as the legitimate govt of China (mainland + Taiwan).

[@funram]

Isn't it that 0 countries recognize Taiwan as an independent country but 15 countries recognize the ROC as the government of China, and thus do not recognize the PRC ?

[@marcusbrown188]

That’s only on paper, by action they believe Taiwan is a nation

[@eugenedebbs2189]

@@marcusbrown188Yes. But what is on paper is what matters.

[@alessiodelcastillo1613]

We gotta pump those numbers up

[@BalazarsBrain]

"making it officially part of China again" No, Taiwan was under control of the ROC (Republic of China), but was never once under control of PROC (People's Republic of China) and was never once controlled by the CCP. The CCP only gained control of mainland China, but never once gained control of Taiwan.

[@brendanobern7403]

Wise words: "there are no easy answers." I wish more commentators could admit so much.

[@sirenity8839]

yeah very well nuanced and informative take by kyle. china s behaviour is a bit over the top. but they re not entirely the boogeyman

[@Carnosaurrr]

This was so bad that there is no doubt the use of Pelosi meeting the Malaysian PM, in front of the **Malaysian** flag, as the thumbnail for the video is just a perfect symbol for Kyle's abysmal ignorance on the topic.

[@pierreproudhon9008]

Glad I'm not the only one who found out about the thumbnail. For a career political commentator this is about as stupid as cnn saying "breaking news the titanic sank".

[@afiqhazwan97]

That's not even PM, he is our Speaker for Malaysian parliament.

[@terrybarnes5266]

KUCKlinski doesn’t do serious coverage on geopolitics anymore, he’d rather fanboy for the made up “teams” in the shitshow that is US electoral politics. Maybe the reason his channel hasn’t grown at all in the last 2 years doesn’t have anything to do with “algorithmic suppression”? Maybe he just doesn’t make good content anymore and is hardly distinguishable from a MSM pundit? Just a thought, but who knows I’m just a shitposter.

[@Ar1AnX1x]

it's so interesting to me how divisive this issue is it's the type of issue where being a Conservative or Progressive can't define where your position on this is

[@lindaleeyou1234]

It's basically do u want the US spending BILLIONS of our taxes to F with China & Russia? Yeeeeah Kyle does bc We'Re thE gOOD GUyS.

[@jakeg3296]

It comes down to cults of personalities not policies. Any excuse to bash Biden is seized upon regardless of the fact the 2 party system are 2 cheeks of the same arse. No matter who is in power the Ukraine war still happens. Likewise the Cold War now heating up towards China was originally a deflection from Trump’s incompetence with the pandemic, but continued with the Democrats. This is what you get with a plutocracy.

[@lukemurray4950]

Kyle like most people have no clue about the history or the current affairs. Taiwan does not want to be independent and most countries don't think it is because it is not! The people of Taiwan want things to stay exactly the same and the government wants the CCP to fall so they can regain power over all of China. This is why Taiwan believes in the one China policy! It's only America and it's allies who claim it's a separate country!

[@jakeg3296]

@@lukemurray4950 Even America and allies recognise One China but this is a shift. You’re correct the Taiwanese are content with the status quo. The USA is in a panic to destabilise China as a rising power, a threat to their imperialism.

[@lukemurray4950]

@@jakeg3296 exactly. This all this is. Pro war, anti China propaganda. It's scary how many people don't see how obvious this is.

[@osobad1127]

Honestly I am ok with this. I am sick of China bullying our foreign policy. Tawian is a strategic partner. Chinas claim over Taiwan would be similar to the UK claiming America as its territory.

[@migarsormrapophis2755]

Just look at what happened to Hong Kong. Do we want people in Taiwan to have their hard-built democracy destroyed, and all of their human rights trampled? It's like how Bush talked about "protecting democracy in the Middle East," except in this case there's an actual democracy to protect in the first place. Poor Tawianese people.

[@jalalshahini]

bullshit

[@osobad1127]

@@migarsormrapophis2755 sorry I am in total agreement with you I was saying that I am in favor of Pelosi going to Taiwan

[@SpiritsBB]

@@migarsormrapophis2755 Nothing actually happened to Hong Kong

[@migarsormrapophis2755]

@@SpiritsBB "Nothing actually happened to Hong Kong" "Nothing actually happened to Jews in WW II" "Nothing actually happened to the Uygers in China" "Nothing actually happened to Lincoln after the American Civil War" "Nothing actually happened to Africa during colonization" "Nothing actually happened to Jeffry Epstein"

[@tacocruiser4238]

People talk about the economic success of China....same can be said about Taiwan. It's amazing what the small island of Taiwan has been able to accomplish over the last 70 years. They have a highly advanced economy.

[@angelxxsin]

and still it doesn't even begin to compare with Mainland China and it's highly, HIGHLY dependent on the Mainland for that same level of prosperity.

[@tacocruiser4238]

@@angelxxsin Its richer than China on a per-capita basis.

[@nickjohnson1424]

😂😂😂😂😂 not true in the slightest

[@dsw86]

@@angelxxsin just like mainland China is highly, HIGHLY dependent on the west, Japan, Korea, Taiwan to develop manufacturing knowhow and prosperity of about 500 million people. They're still working on 900 million that work 12 hours for 6 days a week, and still make less than the Taiwanese minimum wage.

[@tacocruiser4238]

@@nickjohnson1424 100% true.

[@conors4430]

I’ve also heard it said that, China has embedded the Taiwan card so deeply into their political culture to use as a rallying point that it would be inconceivable to them to just let Taiwan go because of how terrified that the regime would be that their own people may think or behave in a way the regime doesn’t like. That’s why it’s so dumb that something so small is such a hot topic issue. Because China knows it will lose too much face internally, and that is the start of the downfall of authoritarian Systems Taiwan is happy to take American assistance then that’s fine, even though I don’t like American imperialism dressed up as keeping the peace. The only thing that I did find laughable is Nancy talking about democracy, considering the way America is going internally, as always, the Americans shouldn’t be lecturing anyone about freedom and democracy. Freedom and democracy isn’t Congress defending its right to buy stocks when they can influence stocks.

[@sonnydethier2916]

In USA democracy has left the building. Still good job on calling BS on China trying to flex…

[@osobad1127]

So go live in China and see what their version of democracy feels like

[@TheRogueEmpire]

"amercian imperialism" thats what you call defending allies and freedom? people like you are why we'll never get m4a.

[@funram]

I don't think it's very credible : the "one China" policy has been a constant for the PRC since its inception (that's why there were and still are so many border disputes between China and its neighbors), as it has been for the RC since 1928.

[@lukemurray4950]

Kyle like most people have no clue about the history or the current affairs. Taiwan does not want to be independent and most countries don't think it is because it is not! The people of Taiwan want things to stay exactly the same and the government wants the CCP to fall so they can regain power over all of China. This is why Taiwan believes in the one China policy! It's only America and it's allies who claim it's a separate country!

[@ethan20minecraft]

The Taiwan economic miracle is largely due to the US giving them preferred access to the United States markets. They did that to the other so-called Asian Tigers: South Korea and Singapore

[@flinchus]

Also the financial aid and very low interest loans in the mid 20th century. Which is good. The China US beef has resulted in LEDC's being given the tools for economic growth rather than the US being an economic hitman. US is providing military and economic aid despite Taiwan owning huge holdings of US securities.

[@evanb4189]

Source?

[@ethan20minecraft]

@@evanb4189 Generalized System of Preferences were an international standard designed to be a way of giving preferences to developing countries by developed countries. The United States put so many restrictions on what nations qualified that it benefited just a few nations including the tigers. It's been a while since I researched this (25 years?) but found a decent source on wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalized_System_of_Preferences

[@ethan20minecraft]

@@evanb4189 Btw, thanks for reading my comment. I put work into so many, and so few actually get read :)

[@almosthelpless9374]

The reactions among the far-right is hilarious. They're usually much more in sync with each other on their talking points.

[@migarsormrapophis2755]

Howso?

[@someguy3314]

?

[@Steffystr8mobbin]

what a constructive comment. I'm voting for pelosi and Buttigieg now

[@Ar1AnX1x]

yeah, usually they all repeat the same exact talking points on literally everything, it's weird when these NPCs tell others about 'Echo Chamber' when they themselves are deeply entrenched in it. you barely ever see an original take from them

[@thulyblu5486]

@@Ar1AnX1x Non-American here (I just follow US politics) I hope you realize that the right wing says exactly the same about the left repeating the exact same talking points mindlessly. They call left-wingers NPCs, etc. Reality is that of course there are main talking points repeated but also a significant amount of different takes - you just have to search a bit more. The fact that both left and right see each other as mindless is a sign of widespread dehumanization that is necessary for atrocities to take place. I'm not sure it can be stopped at this point, but please try. One way or the other your country has dark times ahead, no matter what China does. Take care.

[@joshuachristofferson9227]

This is why I was unable to Teach ESL in Taiwan, sadly. It happened on one of the "heating up" cycles that China & Taiwan have been in since 1949, the tl;dr being that US Citizens were not currently being issued Visas, IIRC.

[@pembomassive1394]

When was that?

[@joshuachristofferson9227]

@@pembomassive1394 idr tbh, but I wanna say in the late 90's/early 00's?

[@LordAxiomVaro]

We should recognize Taiwan as it's own nation

[@robrobertson2661]

Exactly, along with Texas, Florida and California.

[@spaceman4330]

@@robrobertson2661 Don't forget the independent republics of donetsk and luhansk.

[@alvarez6487]

No, Taiwan is a separatist region of China. Let’s not interfere in China’s internal affairs.

[@LordAxiomVaro]

@@alvarez6487 lol no its not its a nation

[@PeterMan55]

lol remember when that WHO person on the skype call refused to say Taiwan

[@teesselink]

"Each one hopes that if he feeds the crocodile enough, the crocodile will eat him last. All of them hope that the storm will pass before their turn comes to be devoured. But I fear greatly that the storm will not pass. It will rage and it will roar ever more loudly, ever more widely." W. Churchill

[@filipealexandresousa2087]

The US is the crocodile. The rest of the world is crocodile food.

[@cristoferchanimak]

Taiwan has its own passport and currency and military and economy. Let taiwan be.

[@jellybeanz1989]

if so isnt that already "being independent" to a large extent? what else would they need exactly? i think most people in Taiwan are already satisfied with the level of independence that they already got, and all this ambiguity the US is doing is just another way of testing the Chinese government

[@Francofan]

Somehow I missed the part where Chaing Kai-Shek killed almost 30,000 Taiwanese when he "moved" his government to the island.

[@LG123ABC]

So? Are you looking to sue someone or what?

[@wolfheadedconjuror]

Compared to the tens of millions by mao....

[@Menwulf20]

@Mythic not true. First of all the mass starvation was not a force of nature but because he needed the revenue from grain sales for his nuclear program. Second, besides the starvation thing, there were also the usual puges of 'reactionaries'. Many many more than 30.000.

[@wolfheadedconjuror]

@Mythic Poor planning and sheer insanity. Mao kept exporting grain to the soviet union and third world during the famines to show off. Of course there is also the great leap forward designed to regain control after the disastrous great leap forward. Maoism is about constant struggle and revolution. Mao thus killed millions out of malice and indifference. Pure evil in my view

[@wolfheadedconjuror]

@Mythic Ukraine shitshow? You are talking about a developing democracy in Ukraine vs the despotic, fascist russian regime

[@scottkessel952]

Glad Kyle took the time to post the video of explaining this. Often need refreshed about the conflict

[@kevrev0]

Actually, nobody recognizes Taiwan as independent. The 14 countries that recognize Taiwan actually recognize the ROC as the government of all of China. Small but important difference

[@theredbar-cross8515]

Watching Kyle fumble his way through foreign policy issues is never not amusing.

[@johnnyblaze6220]

I've been trying to figure out in which areas Kyle is often the most wrong. I agree with at least 90% of everything he says but would you say foreign policy is his weak point?

[@jbuchan12]

Yeah I have noticed that Kyle has some amazing points, but he drops the ball a lot when it comes to foreign policy. His take on Ukraine has been pretty shocking for example.

[@theredbar-cross8515]

@omni He didn't even know that nearly every single country in the UN recognizes China, and not Taiwan. And those remaining countries are all tiny. This is a rather key fact that no analysis can be meaningful without.

[@recovermail4260]

Kyle's foreign policiy takes are always trash. he is absolutely clueless about world outside of usa. his domestic takes are ok tho.

[@theredbar-cross8515]

@omni Yep that's what I meant. They could never recognize Taiwan as independent because Taiwan itself has never made such a claim.

[@HollisPresnell]

I've flown through Guangzhou and Taipei. Definitely seperate and different countries.

[@JohnJohnson-bd9zq]

I've driven through Mississippi and Connecticut. Definitely separate countries.

[@JohnJohnson-bd9zq]

I've also been through Quebec and British Colombia, Catalonia and Andalucia. I could say those are definitely separate countries. So I guess we're defining a country as two places that seem different? That would mean most countries in Europe, the U.S. and Canada aren't actually countries according to your definition. I'm not defending China, I'm just saying...

[@LG123ABC]

@@JohnJohnson-bd9zq Chinese agent has been found! John Johnson? Really? You can do better than that! Tell your Chinese masters to try harder!

[@JohnJohnson-bd9zq]

@@LG123ABC So instead of trying to refute my point or argue against it, which you're clearly incapable of doing, you smear me as a "Chinese agent". Typical uninformed, ignorant McCarthyite response to a serious geopolitical issue. It's sad that the only response nowadays is "Chinese Agent" or "Russian/Putin agent". I'd sincerely like for you to respond to me and tell me how you think China and Taiwan are separate countries but not Quebec and the rest of Canada for example. I'm genuinely interested.

[@JohnJohnson-bd9zq]

@@LG123ABC I guess I shouldn't hold my breath for that response 😂?

[@Toddis]

I really enjoyed the history lesson, very informative

[@NotShowingOff]

International recognition of borders is a very complex and corrupt process, where many governments and ppl will never think it’s fair

[@yogikarl]

It's not arrogance and hubris , it's called : imperialist Behavior .

[@dylanbuchanan6511]

Yes because China isn’t imperialist one bit *eye roll*

[@PeteMachini6732]

You're not Anti-Imperialist. You are Anti-American-Imperialism. You are a Tankee. Taiwan Number 1

[@aadiduggal1860]

@@PeteMachini6732 These viewers are so Anti-American that they end up being supportive of actual oppression lmao

[@Marngel]

I have a bit of a mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I agree with Kyle that Pelosi’s visit to Taiwan was unnecessary and sparked worryingly damages and further escalation that could have been avoided. But at the same time, the blame on that is more on China because the CCP is now ignoring reality. So if a hot war were to break out because of this, the fault wouldn’t be on Taiwan or the US. It’s on China. As bad as US imperialism is, Chinese aggression should be just a criticized.

[@user-cd4ms6cf8l]

What aboutisim gets really irritating. Nothing wrong with being critical of the past, but not to the detriment of the world security. Just my opinion

[@Dsworddance22]

I agree. A lot of people are treating this like Pelosi's visit is an act of war or is an intentional act to provoke China, even though China is the one being a bully and throwing a tantrum over a nothing burger. Still, knowing China's reaction, Pelosi's visit is a bit reckless and I'm not sure what we gain out of visiting Taiwan

[@DurpenHeimer]

If she changed her mind because of China, then that would give China the OK that they can proceed without caution

[@dsw86]

Correct. being neutral and non-interventionist in foreign affairs doesn't mean you blindly meet in the middle between imperialist corporatists and shameless authoritarians, just because we don't like imperialist corporatists.

[@spindragon]

Yeah.. Ask the people of Tibet..

[@powerslohner6728]

This was fun do more of these style and length 👌

[@Soy_Bomb]

Kyle be like, "AS SUCH" Like that girl at the pageant when she spewed gibberish on the verbal. Good stuff

[@ryandugal]

Recognize Taiwan now. It is it’s own country. Proven democracy in a Chinese culture. 🇹🇼

[@Gnigghunter]

We never said *which* Chinese government we believe to be the sole legitimate one. Everybody just assumed we meant the one which is dominant...

[@Apatheticbear]

No. 一个中国🇨🇳

[@skylar1112]

Careful all the wu mao warriors will come out.

[@edmaldonado8207]

@@skylar1112 Word.

[@VERCINGET0RIX]

Nope. I dont recognize Taiwan. Its a part of China.

[@that1guy335]

I bet she feels so important as she incoherently rambles through this visit

[@DarkMightDemon]

This is hilariously true

[@neuromantiker7565]

It is not a difficult question. Either the US actually stand for freedom and democracy or they don't. Now I think Pelosi is just about as bad a democrat as you can be. This is the one move I will respect her for.

[@arrowodd7695]

Couldn't agree more. The takes Kyle has unkraine and Taiwan are baffling at times.

[@Ainttrippin]

LOL if you think the US govt is about anything but imperialism and ca$h you been blind for a LOONG time

[@VERCINGET0RIX]

The U.S. doesn't stand up for democracy. It never has. Wtf is wrong with you? Are you unusually slow? The U.S. has overthrown democratically elected governments over and over and over again. She deserves no respect for her move. It was reckless, stupid, and provocative. Go read a book or something.

[@matthewevans3718]

If u think American policy toward Taiwan is about supporting freedom your falling for the 100th iteration of the same scam. We propped taiwans right wing authoritarian leaders who committed human rights abuses when it was useful we supported one China when we wanted access to their markets, and we support their independence now as a means to threaten China. US officials openly have called for stationing nukes in Taiwan, they want to take away chinas control of the shipping lanes of the South China Sea, Taiwan is also the only logistical staging ground for offensive action against mainland China, as seen by ww2, just like ukraine is the only reasonable place to stage a land invasion into russia. If Taiwan wants independence that’s fine but China won’t let it happen so long as the US is hell bent on Balkanizing China, and any US attempt to facilitate their independence is merely to use them against China. There’s dozens of countries the US could choose to make a freedom fee good project out of, there is A GOOD REASON that they ignore them all and pick Ukraine and Taiwan to hyper focus on. This has nothing to do with standing with freedom and democracy, your ignorant lying or a joke if you would consider what America has as real democracy at this point too. We openly support 75% of all dictatorships in the world. After half a century of overthrowing democratic nations and installing right wing dictators

[@ProfessorCDO]

What do you mean when you say actually stand for democracy and freedom..?

[@FNLNFNLN]

Kyle's weakness on foreign policy is shining through. Take, for example, the international community recognizing the RoC as China instead of the PRC. Why is that Hubris? The RoC was formerly the official government of China, and then a rebellion overthrew them. If the Mossadegh government in Iran fled after the US/UK coup, instead of whatever did happen to them, and, from somewhere else, exclaimed that they were the rightful government of Iran, would Kyle be out here calling it arrogant if other countries decided they wanted to recognize Mossadegh even though an American backed puppet dictator was in control of the country? Sure, at some point, you're going to have to recognize and deal with the new government, but that's hardly a clear cut and obvious line.

[@westwoods7675]

True, if the governments were flipped, you bet your asscheeks Kyle would still be sympathetic to the leftist government and recognize it as the real country.

[@VERCINGET0RIX]

The ROC got their asses kicked in a civil war. So no, theyre not the official government of china.

[@FNLNFNLN]

@@VERCINGET0RIX That's clear now. That isn't so clear when it's still happening.

[@rdu239]

US has no right to meddle in Taiwan as it is not a UN member, US again nosing on other people's business, a tick off China can withdraw from trillions of dollars worth of business investments and pledge to the US, not to mention, US has trillions worth of debt from China

[@FNLNFNLN]

@@rdu239 UN member or not, Taiwan is a de facto independent country. Taiwan is as much China's business as it is the US's. No, I don't care about your nationalistic fantasies. And sure, China can do major economic damage to the US. But that would also result in major economic damage to themselves. Unless you're asserting that Winnie is a moron, China isn't going to go nuclear with economic attacks even if Biden himself visited Taiwan.

[@vatnidd]

Who made the thumbnail? That's the Malaysian flag

[@Tennislover511]

We’re Americans, we don’t know geography

[@rn5598]

Omg 😆

[@Excalibur_86]

And that man is not english tsai lol

[@nhestofficial]

Thank you for sharing this Kyle helps a lot to understand the history of china and taiwan relations

[@woolfwoolf]

If it wasn't for Nancy's history with Taiwan and China I might agree with you Kyle. But there is the history there and it is the right thing to do. Taiwan should be recognized on the world stage as a nation. They deserve that. Fighting for self rule should always be the priority

[@than217]

Agree and funny enough I was supportive of Senator Rick Scott visiting right before Nancy did as well. It's probably the only thing I've ever supported Rick Scott doing EVER.

[@MLPGamer44]

The video was ok, but the lack of mention about Taiwanese history before the Japanese occupation and the KMT dictatorship was disappointing. There were people living on the island long before the KMT claimed sovereignty for themselves. I think the native people of Taiwan have been neglected and are rarely ever mentioned. It’s sort of similar to America where we took over the land from natives through genocide and forced them out of having any sort of power sharing with or material independence from the colonizers.

[@sihotech]

oh please, my mom's family has been in Taiwan for 200+ years. Her ancestral roots trace back to mainland China as well. Prior to KMT, it was the Qing dynasty... Also China. Just because Taiwanese don't think they're Chinese, but they still are Chinese. It's not a liberal woke argument. You can't change your ethnicity like sex orientation.

[@MLPGamer44]

@@sihotechcool story bro, hope your mom enjoys Taiwan 👍

[@LG123ABC]

@@sihotech Bad argument. The British had been in America for 200+ years but then we kicked them out and we are definitely NOT still British.

[@DarthAlphaTheGreat]

They actually fought pretty hard against the oppressive KMT if I recall.

[@Bayard1503]

@@sihotech He was probably talking about the Aborigenes

[@hereiam4016]

As I Taiwanese I think Kyle overlook a lot of China’s usage of Taiwan, which is, not for eventual unification but for a unrest reduction tool, funny every time the our pro-reconciliation party the KMT is about to win China violate Taiwanese sovereignty so KMT would loss and the pro independence DPP would win

[@dsw86]

Taiwanese here too. Spot on. Taiwan is much more useful to China as a propaganda narrative. Tons of domestic issues among 1.4 billion populace (corruption, human trafficking, housing bubble, etc.). Talking about Taiwan distracts from all that. Both sides continue to trade and give each other prosperity. Status quo goes on and on.

[@kunatosftw]

Interesting. But wouldnt the CCP want to have control the high tech industry in taiwan? Or you think if there would be reunification the industry would be moved or destroyed so not to give the knowledge to China? Would love to hear your further info or opinion on this!

[@Strype13]

This is actually some very interesting insight.

[@chaunceystewart9960]

The KMT is a bigger threat to Taiwan than China. Han Kyo Yu got crushed in the last presidential election and then the people recalled Han Kyo Yu as mayor of Kaohsiung forcing him to step down and replaced with Chen Chi-mai of the DDP.

[@dsw86]

@@chaunceystewart9960 yes. KMT is an old party that leverages Chinese ethnicity as its selling point. They abandoned the idea of retaking the mainland 30-40 years back (nowadays they will have zero ability to govern 1.4 billion People even if CCP gift wrapped the mainland to them). Not having to reinvade the mainland is not the issue, it’s abandoning their anti-CCP stance, which is literally the threat to the KMT and ROCs existence. It’s why they fare poorly in elections nowadays. They stand for nothing and mainly gather up their support base of old folks who cannot distinguish between Chinese ethnicity, political parties, and nations.

[@antsmasherjack]

9:13 The body builders were absolutely necessary for the documentary! Extremely necessary!

[@westwoods7675]

Oh boy, I hope the comments are civil today.

[@robinizer123]

I like Taiwan. Taiwan rules, Ride or die, we can visit if we want to.

[@Gnigghunter]

If our friend wants us to visit them, yes. Even Nasty Piglosi. Their controlling ex doesn't get a say in the matter.

[@VERCINGET0RIX]

Taiwan is a part of china. Sorry. Get over it.

[@CR7_IS_THE_GOAT_14]

True, but all this visit is gonna do is provoke the Chinese and cause more tension. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should.

[@Photologistic]

Please stop referring to Hillary Supporters (or Pelosi supporters) as “the left”.

[@JayD73]

they are obviously on the left unless your view of politics begins and ends with progressives lol

[@A_Derpy_NINJA]

The left voted for Hillary therefore you are her supporters

[@whiteymcwhiterson3974]

Agreed, and I think the same concept applies to people referring to the Bush or Mcconnell type supporters as "the right". Pelosi & Mcconnell have more in common with each other than they do with Bernie or Trump supporters. Other than basic policy stuff (ie taxes) & confirming judges, the Bernie left doesnt agree with much Pelosi does & the Trump right doesn't agree with much of what Mcconnell does. The Trump right and the Bernie Left have more in common with each other than they do with the establishment wing of the party their associated with

[@scroopynooperz9051]

Hillary and Pelosi are corporate neolibs. They simply sometimes adopt the veneer of leftism when it comes to CERTAIN social issues (mostly women's rights) in attempts to bamboozle the voter. They're all right of center with everything else.

[@Photologistic]

@@whiteymcwhiterson3974 Nope, bush and McConnell are far right. Pelosi is right wing in most respects (issues elites actually care about)

[@LudvikM]

I'm afraid there's no choice but to keep her there, indefinitely. China won't have the balls to attack if she stays. I know, it'll suck because we all want her back so bad, but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make...

[@allansh828]

Some reported that Taiwan leadership begged her not to come but she went anyways. As soon as she left, Taiwan became under Chinese blockade.

[@jakeg3296]

Indefinitely to one that is 82 is more akin to temporary.

[@nexttytreporter2598]

We Americans have to make sacrifices 🤷🤷

[@Anthonycheesman33]

This makes the John cena thing more interesting I had no idea about the history lol.

[@grumpyoldman6503]

the wildest thing about John Cena's apology is that he apparently speaks Mandarin.

[@laborersvolunteers2372]

Great lesson bro Do more of this

[@apcsoftwares]

Kyle: "Most countries recognize taiwan" Countries that recognize taiwan: 16 Countries that do not recognize taiwan: 177 (U.S. included)

[@MLCommy]

He used the Economist as a source; are you surprised?

[@charleswomack2166]

I recognize Taiwan!

[@andrewlynch4126]

0 countries recognize Taiwan as an independent country (including Taiwan) , 16 recognize the ROC instead of the PRC. That being said most countries (including the US) have unofficial relations with Taiwan and don’t view it as a province of China (and it is objectively not)

[@Phil_Mitchell]

He's so clueless on everything related to foreign affairs it's not even funny anymore. In every video on foreign policy he'll make just the most elementary mistakes on basic facts which he'll get called out on from viewers from across the world who see him as a typically dumb American talking about things he doesn't know anything about lol.

[@yihanzheng8203]

As a Chinese who is still in China, I have been raised to be offended by any claim that resembles Taiwan being its own independent country. When I was studying in the States, I got uncomfortable every time my friend from Taiwan claims to be Taiwanese instead of Chinese. Ironically, we would love the old take that Taiwan is the true China a lot better. Over time, I have learned that people from Taiwan believing that they should be independent is not a big deal, but most of my Chinese fellows still passionately hate anyone who would not agree with CCP on the Taiwan issue. We were taught to see Taiwan as a part of our community, and any claim to hint otherwise is interference in China's internal affairs. Disclaimer: I do not think being offended by the video is reasonable. I am just writing this to explain why Chinese people really find discussions like this one offensive. Most of my peers do not even want this issue to be discussed in the light that there could be arguments from both sides.

[@lukemurray4950]

Kyle like most people have no clue about the history or the current affairs. Taiwan does not want to be independent and most countries don't think it is because it is not! The people of Taiwan want things to stay exactly the same and the government wants the CCP to fall so they can regain power over all of China. This is why Taiwan believes in the one China policy! It's only America and it's allies who claim it's a separate country!

[@aikenodubitan5256]

Great post. Thanks for sharing.

[@Z00706]

For me it was when I had to go to Taiwan for a SAT and literally having to travel from PRC to ROC then it suddenly made more sense

[@grumpyoldman6503]

"Disclaimer: I do not think being offended by the video is reasonable. I am just writing this to explain why Chinese people really find discussions like this one offensive. Most of my peers do not even want this issue to be discussed in the light that there could be arguments from both sides." thanks for the post from the CCP perspective (although 1.4 billion people's opinions are hard to distill into a collective, even if they really don't have any agency in the outcome of geopolitics, at least, not anymore than I do here posting on YT in America). I find it fascinating the mentality though, nor why anyone would *care* in particular what the people on the island of Taiwan are doing on their own anyway, without your input regardless. It is a collective ego thing? I mean to give a analogy- if a US territory... eg: Guam decided on their own to be independent from the US- I would be like 'see ya!' and not threaten to start a nuclear war over it, even if they decided to ally with China or something. There is really no reason to fight wars about anything, really. Not worth it to anyone involved.

[@georgiossgk7384]

@@grumpyoldman6503 You Americans fought a brutal civil war on secession. After that war its accepted that states within the US cannot secede despite the fact that some of them were even independent countries before joining the Union (Texas). Why China should treat its territory differently and allow Taiwan to secede?

[@s2442b]

Thanks for talking about this 👍

[@Toddis]

Hong Kong should just join Taiwan and tell Winnie the Pooh to kick rocks 🦶 🪨

[@ccengineer5902]

Kyle, you're so ignorant Pt. 3: The US visit to Taiwan is not to stir up controversy, it's to maintain global economic stability, and to send a message to China "hey, don't get any stupid ideas". A chip _shortage_ sent us into a recession, you can imagine what would happen if there were no chips. There are obvious ways in which the US can successfully aid Taiwan militarily without getting involved in it, observing the Russia-Ukraine war. Your doomsday fear mongering demonstrates a lack of nuance and understanding of the level of reluctance of either side to use nuclear weapons.

[@saqwana25]

for now all take sis one asshole with axe to grinder to send the world into nuclear annihilation.

[@GS-kj5pc]

Something this left out was that the communists were building forces while the Chinese military was fighting off Japan. If Japan never invaded they would have stamped out the communist rebellion.

[@user-bp5qz5jd3f]

They were almost there, so close to it. After years of encircling, pursuing, resulting in the "long march", the Communist had crossed mountains and rivers, fleeing across essentially the whole of China, with an enemy on their tail all the time. Just before the Japanese invasion, they were at the edge of China, exhausted and reduced by 90%. Had the Japanese invasion not happened in time, they would have been driven out into outer Mongolia.

[@erwinmeisel2545]

Currently fifteen states recognise Taiwan as the ROC (and thus do not have official relations with Beijing): Belize, Guatemala, Haiti, Holy See, Honduras, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Nicaragua, Palau, Paraguay, St Lucia, St Kitts and Nevis, St Vincent and the Grenadines, Swaziland and Tuvalu.

[@quadeesimo815]

Yo! The fact that the disclaimer came up in real time. Fuckin wild, dude.

[@iamaloafofbread8926]

Defense of democracy and a front to dictatorships

[@brothersandsistersofvalhalla]

I hope this is sarcasm and not an actually braindead take.

[@aadiduggal1860]

@@brothersandsistersofvalhalla Is China not a dictatorship?

[@desiree2654]

The Katie Halper Show had a great episode about this. Carl Zha was one guest who really delivered on the history and conditions through present

[@t221000]

Katie Halper is an awesome helper.

[@lukemurray4950]

Kyle like most people have no clue about the history or the current affairs. Taiwan does not want to be independent and most countries don't think it is because it is not! The people of Taiwan want things to stay exactly the same and the government wants the CCP to fall so they can regain power over all of China. This is why Taiwan believes in the one China policy! It's only America and it's allies who claim it's a separate country!

[@scruffopone3989]

Noted trustworthy source on anything, Carl Zha.

[@annarboriter]

Having a mainlander offer a pro CCP commenter opine on the situation between the PRC and the RoC was an embarrassment to her otherwise informative program

[@alex9046]

15:39 isnt this map of military drills literally 1:1 what China will be doing in a couple days?

[@Mighty_D.I.K.]

Something I think that is worthwhile to acknowledge. Remember back in 2016 when Trump contacted and congratulated Tsai Ing-wen for her election win. And how everyone freaked out on him over the "one china policy" . But fast forward to now, and everyone is now saying we need to support Taiwan and their independence. I don't know, just saying.

[@nasis18]

Well, it depends though. Fucker Carleson was admonishing Pelosi for visiting. Laura Ingram was giving her respect. So, it was entertaining, and strange.

[@randomvids10ful]

Only like 4 countries officially recognize Taiwan as “China”, mostly because China has been wooing countries with economic benefits to un-recognize Taiwan. No countries currently consider Taiwan an independent country separate from China.

[@bloo9699]

man has walked on the moon yet we're still fighting over imaginary lines

[@millabasset1710]

Borders are a real thing, not just lines. If we had no borders and immigration policy, the world would be a mess and people would steal from each other in mass.

[@bloo9699]

@@millabasset1710 The point being, we have a lot of growing up to do as a species. with our level of tech and abundance of resources. 1 person living in poverty is embarrassing, we shouldn't need borders. But we suck.

[@ccengineer5902]

I dunno, a coastline isn't that imaginary.

[@bloo9699]

@@ccengineer5902 Sure takes a lot of imagination to see it as anything other than the coastline.

[@millabasset1710]

@@bloo9699 Let me put it like this, say Japan or Australia was submerged underwater; those people will travel and force themselves in other countries and it would be a colossal undertaking to aid over 100 million people. I know it sucks and it's a tragedy, it still doesn't remove the real consequences of borders and conflicts with natives and refugees.

[@jim7995]

What is the source of this film?

[@blaster_live]

I think at the end of the day, its Taiwan's dissension if they want the visit, polling says that most people don't want be separate from china but don't want to rush it(for obvious reasons), so unless they don't want the visit, having more impact recognition of Taiwan is good

[@OatmealGrillBlazer]

a lot of Western websites are blocked in China they have their own alternative websites

[@brothersandsistersofvalhalla]

Not anymore. Their firewall doesn't really block international media anymore in China.

[@ccengineer5902]

-a lot- All ftfy.

[@bt2598]

When do we stop visitng another country because China says we can't go. Taiwan is a sovereign nation and she can go wherever she wants. China has no say in what Nancy does - it's another trip for her. It would be an embarassment to back out - since when do we take order from China. Political convenience of the trip also isn't a factor because again China has no say in the matter.

[@angelxxsin]

Taiwan is not a sovereign nation. The fact you're using that phrasing outs you as someone who knows nothing about this particular issue. That is the whole point. It's not an independent country. And the take that China has no say in the matter is only given by people who understand little to nothing about geopolitics and diplomacy. it's not about China dictacting who goes or who doesn't go, it's about the way the US has been continuously eroding the bedrock of the US-China relationship by undermining the One-China principle, one step at a time. This has been escalating for years and it's got everything to do with semiconductors and saving face, nothing to do with protecting anyone's democracy. Are you all amateurs, Jesus.

[@6idangle]

Let’s use this analogy, the civil war happens in 1954 in the United States, your grand father fought in it. The United States wins, but Florida breaks away and makes its own nationalist republic after its own war crimes (mainland is guilty too) like the white terror. Then china continues to bolster the republic of Florida, despite our clear dispute over the status of the Florida. A republic which only Would exist but for china threatening to invade Florida if we take back Florida? You see how it’s kind of fucked up? They threatened to invade Florida, which was just a part of the United States and keeps fucking with our Shit. Then Florida threatens to invade the United States for thirty years and claims to be the real United States. Don’t you see how they don’t want it?

[@vortex_1336]

@@angelxxsin You saying it's not a sovereign country is just delusional. China has literally no authority in Taiwan. Taiwan has it's own government, military, and economy. Trying to say "Taiwan is part of China" is just CCP bullshit. On par with trying to claim that the USA is still part of Britain.

[@Gnigghunter]

@@angelxxsin Look at you calling the kettle black AF lmfao PRC doesn't now nor has it ever had control over Taiwan. It claims it, sure. I can claim to be a billionaire but that doesn't make it so. Claims not backed by anything tangible are worth diddly-squat. One China Policy isn't an American one, it was forced on America out of necessity during the height of the Cold War. Good. I hope we do erode those authoritarian commies are every opportunity, especially when we can support a democratic republic while doings so. You remember democracy, right? The flag you hypocritical BS'ers wrap yourselves in whenever convenient? You clearly do not comprehend much about geopolitics and have little room to be chastising others for their ignorance on the subject.

[@joeduckett6159]

@@angelxxsin if are chip manufacturers didn't move to Taiwan, last time we passed a bill much like this, and use the rest of the money for stock buybacks things wouldn't even be an issue. Nancy is also heavily invested in these companies. She is literally the worst self-interested person to send. It only makes sense to Democrat leadership because they are all corrupt garbage.

[@questworldmatrix]

We'll see how America acts when it's own state wants to secede. Oh that's right, we've seen that episode.

[@LG123ABC]

The Taiwan/China issue kind of reminds me of the US/Puerto Rico situation. No one is really crazy about the current setup but it seems to be the path of least resistance.

[@pipz420]

Except US/Puerto Rico are generally cool with each other and might one day but whole by choice of the people.

[@alvarez6487]

That is a Incorrect comparison. Puerto Rico was never apart of the United States. The United States defeated the Spanish in the Spanish-American war. It automatically seized Spain’s colonies, and barred Puerto Rico from ever retaining self-determination. Taiwan, however, has always been a territory of China. Puerto Rico is not a separatist state but a U.S colony. Big difference.

[@alvarez6487]

@@pipz420 Not really. The United States violently repressed the PR independence movement and sterilized their women.

[@Mikeywikeybombikey]

I am all in against China and authoritarianism but it's important to point out that what the "expert" said in the beginning of the video you played is simply not true. Only 15 (relatively insignificant) countries recognize Taiwanese independence, the rest simply "support Taiwanese democracy"

[@KingOfShenanigan]

What is "authoritarianism"?

[@garetroth5683]

Agreed. What do you mean by "authoritarianism"?

[@migarsormrapophis2755]

@@garetroth5683 Ethnically cleansing Uygers through mass sterilization and the destruction of Uyger cultural heritage would be an example of Chinese authoritarianism. Destroying Hong Kong's democracy and imprisoning protesters would be an example of Chinse authoritarianism. Also, you may not have heard of this, but there was this little thing that happened in Tiananmen Square a little while ago...

[@dsw86]

@@KingOfShenanigan a system where a single political party and nation cannot be separated. Where regular citizens do not have an avenue to speak for themselves when the government's system or policy hinders their way of life.

[@jacoby6000]

@@migarsormrapophis2755 it's pretty interesting how none of the Muslim world is complaining about the stuff going on in China. Makes you wonder if that bit might be a fabrication

[@goochentertainment1700]

Bout time dogg

[@joseftaylor1275]

Read the Taiwan Relations Act, signed by Carter.

[@nzd5]

I love kyle but the take that if China invaded Taiwan they could “probably weather the storm” of economic sanctions as well as stating that the U.S. would be the more isolated party shows a huge misunderstanding in geopolitics. This still undeniably would have been untrue at chinas geopolitical peak (before more recent covid strains revealed the flaws in their zero tolerance policy), when the US had the global laughing stock as their president (Trump), and any time pre or post the Ukraine war. Kyle needs start reading up on 21st century geopolitics if he truly believes what he said in that video regarding China’s economic and strategic positioning.

[@Ainttrippin]

What makes your opinion better

[@nzd5]

@@Ainttrippin China’s reliant on other countries for essentially all of its existential resources while the U.S. is the complete opposite. Also the US holds the world’s reserve currency where as China holds an unstable one that they print at 3x the rate as USD some years (like this one) 5x the rate and saying their economy is built on pillars of sand is an understatement. This isn’t to say the US is morally just or frequently making intelligent decisions but China is wayyyyyyyyy worse off if guns/ sanctions start flying. That’s also an incredibly condensed version missing a ton of important points but hopefully you get the jest. If Kyle had someone like Peter Zeihan, Thomas Piketty, or Richard Wolf on he would have this similar commentary and very likely agree.

[@Chevalier1632]

If you think Trump was a geopolitical laughing stock, I'd love to know how you think Biden is somehow better.

[@nzd5]

@@Chevalier1632 By not showing his face as often.

[@Chevalier1632]

@@nzd5 Just when we thought you had some nuance.... Shame. The TDS ripped it right out.

[@artcooldude6711]

not worth the possible nuke threat.

[@MrChaosi]

think about the logical conclusion of that stance, for more then 1min please

[@artcooldude6711]

@@MrChaosi ? Wdym

[@DreamStepper]

I mean understanding the history it does seem like Taiwan is pretty much its own country in just about every aspect despite China's unwillingness to acknowledge it, but there's never really any good answers on how to approach an irrational superpower.

[@7lllll]

they do it when they think is the most opportune time. they'll find any excuse and make up excuses if there aren't. pelosi's visit makes no difference, it's just another excuse they can use if they want

[@LilFletch926]

"Why would we put a stick in their eye?" Honestly, because that's who we are. Anybody who has ever tried to poke us through history we puff our chest out like "go on fk with us.... 13itch". And honestly I always felt that to be culturally who we are. I want to get away from the starting shit which we have done too much these past few decades. But I'll be damned if someone says we can't do something as simple as peacefully visit somewhere. This isn't about Nancy, God knows she only wants attention, but as soon as China threatened a high ranking gov official... that's the moment to look at them and say "you REALLLY want to do this right now?"

[@KingOfShenanigan]

No, Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan is a direct violation of the One China policy. It is meant to escalate to war in order for Congress to further increase the military budget.

[@user-qw1er2ty3ui4o]

Right, well China ain’t backing down. The navy is giving out good packages for recruits. Guess it’s GO time Joey!

[@ariel-y-e-m]

Yeah, it's a recipe for letting our enemies walk all over us.

[@LilFletch926]

@@user-qw1er2ty3ui4o Well my Grandad was in the Navy during the Korean war and my dad during the Vietnam War. If the Chinese were dumb enough to attack us, I would follow in their shoes.

[@joeduckett6159]

This has nothing to do but with Nancy protecting her interests after they passed the chips bill which she is heavily invested in financial. last time we passed a bill like this all the chip companies moved to Taiwan. China isn't gunna do shit we all know it. When's the last time Nancy has left the country for anyone but herself?

[@wearypirates]

Yeah, let’s not start World War 3, please.

[@tehanureaver4299]

What if I told you that appeasing expansionist dictatorships is a HORRIBLE political strategy.

[@HABACHI617]

Taiwan should be allowed to defend itself to avoid suffering the same fate as Hong Kong

[@duke0fmarlborough]

It’s a story as old as history itself: one small country caught between the power struggle of two big rivals who have no real concern for the well-being of the little guy despite rhetoric and propaganda.

[@isaacinternet]

Are you talking about Ukraine?

[@neirad537]

Fun Fact, Taiwan has never ever been under CCP control.

[@MichaelLudden]

But the Republic of China, the name of the government of Taiwan, did rule mainland China.

[@neirad537]

@@MichaelLudden So... Return Mainland China to Taiwan?

[@leonidas14775]

China must me shaking at the thought of Biden's scary economic sanctions

[@StephenMoreira]

Well if I was Taiwan, military defense should be #1 on the list as their lives depend on it.

[@vortex_1336]

We have that place fortified to the gills. The US has given them weapons for like 50 years at this point.

[@hassanhamza5614]

Good analysis!!

[@illuminati_watching8391]

I see this as a very complex civil war and no place America has the right to be. Imagine if China supported the independence of Hawaii. They want to be independent and in all honesty the have the right to be but this is pretty close to the equivalent.

[@CepheusTalks]

Texas would be more accurate since there is a separatist movement within Texas that wants to secede

[@iamaloafofbread8926]

20:21 It's all about perspectives

[@anna-mariepellett4362]

It’s pretty obvious that there’s something here at home that they’re trying to distract us from and or the fact that she’s there seeking out business deals for her husband.

[@My-Say]

What we actually have are Chinese billionaires who's endless greed have an issue with Taiwan's and our billionaires. They own governments and they are never going to be satisfied.

[@Ar1AnX1x]

Bruce Lee should have turned in to a dragon and reunite them in to an empire called House of the Dragon from then on Bruce Lee reigns as the emperor to the most prosperous empire the world has ever seen

[@markcarey67]

"The hooobris!"

[@Neloish]

Crisis tier list would be great.

[@jessewood3196]

If you take the time to learn the history of China/Japan/Korea/Taiwan, particularly from the 19th century on; it is not surprising that this unnecessary & vane move by Pelosi would upset China.

[@jerryhampton5755]

We I happen to know quite a bit about the history in the time period you are referencing and I still think you need to try and support your argument.

[@annarboriter]

So when you say "China", are you referring to the Republic of, or the People's Republic of?

[@debi1451]

This messes with my head because we can't let China intimidate us , but I don't want trouble for Taiwan. I just wish they would leave those people alone!. It is sad to me.

[@scruffopone3989]

Taiwanese people are so incredibly used to China trying to big dog and intimidate them that it's a meme at this stage.

[@scalderiso]

This was a dumb visit. Ya don't poke the bear!

[@optimisticallycynical.814]

I don't think it's that controversial, Tiawan split ties from China before the communist took over the nation.

[@vortex_1336]

Right? Like it's been like 75 years and China has no authority there still.

[@SSdet]

Having been to the Republic of China multiple times and currently having a brother who has lived there for the past 5 years, I fully stand with China and their right to independence. The real China I mean, that being Taiwan.

[@yogikarl]

When I was in Shenzhen China in 2010 one Chinese told me : Vietnamese are not Vietnamese , they are Mountain Chinese .

[@michaelhanson8731]

Thanks!

[@xiaopengzong6980]

"Most countries recognize Taiwan as independent", Kyle even gets this key fact wrong. SAD. That number is 0.

[@lachousalle31]

What I find annoying is that Jay Chou can't release a music video without people from China claiming him as Chinese in the comment section when he was born, raised, and lives in Taiwan. Yes, he is ethnically Chinese, but his nationality is Taiwanese.

[@zhuochengtan]

He himself sees himself as Chinese lol and he is a big believer in Chinese arts and literature

[@MichaelLudden]

@@zhuochengtan the CCP is not Chinese. It is a foreign communist ussr-based ideology that murdered the Republic of China out of the mainland and onto Taiwan.

[@MegaMusek]

ccp is horrible

[@deosyx6]

3:50 The man looks like Jackie Chan

[@brockparker1617]

She is just checking on her investments

[@chengzhou8711]

They should change their official name to the Republic of Taiwan to please all sides and reduce tension in the region.

[@captlanc]

Yeah, that would be them effectively declaring independence and China would go barbarian on them.

[@chengzhou8711]

@@captlanc yes, But if they renounce a claim on the mainland formally, this might change things

[@TheBeatle49]

That would be highly unsatisfactory for China.