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We're breaking down each of the Commander 2016 Preconstructed decks, reviewing what cards to add and take out, and how you can modify these decks quickly and easily for play! This episode focuses on the Stalwart Unity deck with Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis.
What We Mentioned on the End Step:
Extra-Life - www.extra-life.org
CARDS TO ADD IN:
Bribery
Gahiji, Honored One
Forced Fruition
Divine Intervention
Perplexing Chimera
Wrath of God
Supreme Verdict
Austere Command
Vandalblast
Genesis Wave
Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur
Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger
Rhystic Study
Heartwood Storyteller
Vicious Shadows
CARDS TO TAKE OUT:
Akroan Horse
Evolutionary Escalation
Zedruu the Greathearted
Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa
Empyrial Plate
Hoofprints of the Stag
Benefactor’s Draught
Venser’s Journal
Entrapment Maneuver
Prismatic Geoscope
Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs
Wave of Reckoning
Realm Seekers
Rubblehulk
Orzhov Advokist
ADDITIONALLY:
Utility lands can be very effective in this deck. Feel free to replace some of the "Adds" with these options (if they do not produce mana) and replace some of the basic lands otherwise:
Expedition Map
Thawing Glaciers
Kor Haven
Winding Canyons
Terrain Generator
Strip Mine
Boseiju, Who Shelters All
Maze of Ith
Yavimaya Hollow
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[@markreitanpedersen8227]

Stalwart Unity was the first ever commander precon deck i bought and it was such a fun and interesting experince to be the "friendly guy" that helps others and it can even be pack a punch if you adjust it a little

[@LoLslainer]

The "Out of the box" episode was extremely awesome! Honestly the highest level of editing i have ever seen on a commander video! You don't even have to edit it THAT much as you did, would love to see more!

[@joshleekwai8895]

Thanks! Glad you liked it!

[@Kestral287]

Seconded. It was awesome.

[@familienandersen9333]

lol du er måske dansk

[@justinmontemar5879]

You could possibly run this as a sweet landfall/pillow fort deck. Play all the typical pillow fort cards (Propaganda, Ghostly Prison, Norns Annex) along with target removal to get you to the mid game relatively untouched and then start getting value from all the extra card draw and land drops with cards like Omnath Locus of Rage and Avenger of Zendikar.

[@albertjoffo9995]

Yo guys Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis aren't two 1/4, both human soldier is a 1/1 and remember the statue in the background (Guardians of meletis) which is a 0/6. THE FLAVORRRR

[@gemofmagic9436]

Albert Joffo I never made that connection! That's just beautiful :)

[@EbonyJarret]

As someone trying to get into commander, I really appreciate your breakdowns and analysis regarding this new product. Thank you!

[@ChrisStopper100]

This video makes it very clear that Jimmy and Josh, do not know how to hug. :(

[@Starfury117]

Just yesterday, my friends and I gathered together to play commander. He just bought the Stalwart Unity deck. I used the Deveri precon but I used roon, my other friend used prossh precon. The stalwart unity deck actually won both games because he didn't do anything impactful so we left him alone and we ate at each other. The winning cards for Stalwart Unity that we found were - Treacherous Terrain (After collective voyage and tempt with discovery, and I flashed back Diluvian Primordial because I got greedy, then he cast that spell and domed us both for 25 damage) - Reins of Power (After I flickered my Myr Battlesphere for like 6 times, I killed Prossh with direct damage because his board got too big, Stalwart Unity casts Reins and power and kills me with my own monsters) - Keening Stone (If ignored this kills pretty fast. Especially with all the lands Stalwart unity deck fetches out of our decks. With the limited removal options in preconstructed decks, couldn't stop that stone until it almost milled me out) Other win cons I think are in the deck are - Psychosis Crawler - Reverse the Sands I think the main win strategy of this deck is to get everyone to the late game with lots of cards/lands/creatures and then punish them for it.

[@nazgir5343]

Divine intervention is also fun to put down in Atraxa. Basically it's a "keep my general alive or the game ends in a draw", keeping the whole game hostage until it is removed.

[@SheffieldsPark]

Yes, please do more out of the box videos. That was actually really good, far better than any of the other videos attempting to do the same.

[@NinjaWithArpg]

i dont have alot of the "add" cards but i definatly use the take out list when i add some stuff i do have. i love these episodes. keep up the good work guys

[@thepineappleyempireofsuper9612]

the group hug decks I use usually build play diplomatically and have single target loss for opponents (think that 3B card that makes people lose if there health is at 13, but more consistent). the idea is to make your opponents to feel like they are better off not having you lose right away because you run effects that would cause them to lose tempo or ability to prepare for the other players (aka pillow forts) while helping them with consistency and synergy (like giving all creatures besides your creatures +2/+2, or all opponent spells cost 1-less) you want cards that hurt your opponents for hurting you, not cards that only hurt opponents. then, when there is only 2 players left (you included) drop your win conditions since your opponent likely used most of his/her anti-win condition cards until you win! these kind of decks usually work best against evenly matched opponents and even better when there's more people playing (also good if you are the only player with a 'group-hug' deck).

[@KingQuark27]

could you post a decklist somewhere down here? would really appreciate it so i can see your card choices and see if they fit in my budget

[@austinjohnson2936]

I think you guys missed the point of the deck and the perfect flavor behind it. The whole point of the duck's group hug nature is to win by being the last one standing. The partner commander's explamplify this perfectly. You aren't supposed to benefit off of them nessisarily. You're opponents gain advantage from hurting each other. You win from them attacking each other while playing the diplomat. Helping everyone out but giving advantage to others for hitting each other. You are weak to combos but you are so good with people getting greedy. Personally, I think this is one of the stronger 4 color commanders. I adore it and plan on retooling it to include more landfall and Niv-Mizzet style effects. In my play group, we played two games with the new commander's with me playing this deck, and I won both games.

[@MTGEDH]

Austin Johnson Agreed! Group hug is just that. You basically give your opponents weapons to kill each other while you search out or draw out your win con. As a group hug player you really aren't trying to win. As for combo decks I did stick time stop in the deck to prevent people going off by allowing either myself or someone else a way to answer it.

[@EVO1148]

Austin Johnson I agree. I want to trade my Fumiko to my friend with this deck so I can eventually​ watch him cackle behind his cards as his opponents are literally forced to attack each other while he benefits from it :P

[@ThePoketroller]

imagine the deck with cards that use the goad mechanic

[@MrSkordanos]

i made an similar knt deck . all i can say is mindcrank is such fun, i play it in my deck :) it realy helps make your opponents get greedy when they find out that their creatures etc mill your opponent's

[@PaulGaither]

Austin Johnson - Except out of the box this deck is hot garbage. As they said, even unmodified 5 way commander, this is the worst of them all. It goes in too many directions and doesn't do any of them well, nor does it have a way to end the game effectively when it comes down to a duel. I found that I needed to HEAVILY modify it to make it even close to playable. It needs more ramp and color fixong than it already has, and at 2cc like Josh said so we can play our commander and stuff on turn 3. Turn 2 ramp into turn 3 commander and land drop means untapping turn 4 with five mana before your main phase (land drop). It is really easy to use that turn to lay down additional defenses (as you already have a 2/8 wall in the way) and some card draw to make sure you can keep playing lands off your commander. Turn 5 you can start responding to threats and casting mana sinks - things which allow you to use your mana every turn without costing you cards from hand, such as Soul of Ravnica. I think this deck needs alternate win conditions, like "Approach of the Second Sun." Ways to just stall the game and win outside of combo or combat damage.

[@mtgpenguindragon3904]

Cool deck tech. I am building this deck myself. One of my win-cons is academy rector into Omniscience, cast enter the infinite, board wipe, drop elesh norn, platinum angel, and dovescape. Then you ditch a bunch of spells and make 3/3 birds to kill everyone with on your next turn. Few if any things can stop this board.

[@slymaster9]

Simply add the following: -all the prison effects are already in the deck. I also like Archangel of Tithes, she is heavy on white but works both as another prison and as possible way to get your wincons through. Collective restraint is also a must, Pay 4 for each attacker? on top of your other prison effects? Your opponents will have a really hard time. -some tutor's (mystical tutor, enlightened and idyllic). -Two extra counterspells (Forbid works really well with all the extra cards, and counterflux) -Monarch cards combine well with K&T's card draw effect, plus because of your pillowfort people are unlikely and/or unable to attack you. Keeper of Keys and Skyline Depot work great, Skyline is a possible wincon. -Luminarch Ascension as a wincon, build your fort and then wait one or two rounds and you'll be making 4/4 flying angels like it's nobody's business. -Fumiko, they have to attack, but can't afford to attack you. Now what? -Consecrated sphinx makes K&T disgusting "I draw one card, play one land, oh it is late game and you all don't have any lands left on hand? I'll draw 4-6 or more" Don't forget the draw is a must, either play a land or you are forced to draw. -Add some Landfall guys. Tireless tracker can get pretty big and Omnath Locus of Rage works great. Basically add some of the more defensive token makers (Omnath, Skyline Despot and Luminarch Ascension) And you'll be having no problems. The deck is great.

[@BrunoCasagrandaNeves]

slymaster9 strongest suggestions, that's a nice spot to be. drawing cards, getting tokens on the board, stealing some stuff...

[@zachtaylor6913]

i like the way you guys changed the deck looks like a blast! i myself pulled all the instants and sorcery's out, and then dropped a primal surge into the deck :P

[@EVO1148]

I really like Sidar Kondo with the Red green saproling partner commander from open hostilities. Both she and her saproling have 2 power or less so they become essentially unblockable while you just continue to amass a saproling army ^^

[@codeofzero1]

Laboratory maniac we added to this deck and some more ways for all to draw and OMG it is sweet

[@thewonderdoc2999]

Some things I considered putting into this: Ink-treader Nephilim+Lab Maniac+Cantrips, mill yourself&win Treacherous Terrain+Turnabout+Armageddon+Splendid Reclamation Kruphix+Helix Pinnacle Enchanted Evening+Primeval Light Making your commander unblockable and putting sth like Strength of Cidars/Exoskeletal Armor on it to oneshot opponents with Commander damage. Things that work VERY well in grouphug or just 4-colour + in general: Grouphug: Cultural Exchange, the Advocates from Judgment, Shah of Naar Isle, Arboria, Archmage Ascension,Collective Restraint, Malignant Growth, the other cards from the "Oath"-cycle(the one Oath of Druids is part of,from Exodus), The Temples from Kamigawa-especially here where you get to play the best 4,Norn's Annex IN general: BLOOM TENDER(he might be pricey but its a 2cmc manadude that can/will tap for up to WUBRG. my personal fav. reset button: Worldpurge,Charms(this deck for example enables you to use 12 multi-colour charms-2shard-2wedges-6guilds&2dragon charms(from Planeshift)

[@mythoughtsonblank5769]

Love you guys. I hope one day I'm able to play some commander with you guys, it's a dream of mine :)

[@trbrtsn]

I hope to someday too *glares at the guys*

[@joshleekwai8895]

GP Vegas everybody!

[@mythoughtsonblank5769]

Josh Lee Kwai I'm only 17 and don't have my own car :/

[@raimundkeller6115]

Living in Germany. i dont see myself visiting GP Vegas anytime soon.

[@Bucket_Boy101]

Fly me out from Australia? :D

[@SolivagantCraig]

working on a chaos deck with this commander. A few group hug elements, and then just randomness

[@AQuietMyth]

I found a strange new card catagory to stick inside this deck called "Knives". In the late game, my deck's plan is to double everyone's mana with Overabundance, Heartbeat of Spring, or Zhur-Taa Ancient, then cast Comet Storm or Treacherous Terrain or Reins of Power/Insurrection. The knives to shove into peoples spines >:3

[@joshleekwai8895]

I like it!

[@Noroh____0]

Perplexing Chimera+Homeward Path+Earthcraft 1. Opponent casts sweet card. 2. Perplexing Chimera swaps for said card 3. Tap Homeward Path to get Perplexing Chimera back. 4. Tap Perplexing Chimera To untap Homeward Path. Repeat as needed, with a Sword of the Paruns or Umbral Mantle you can essentially pay 3 mana to steal any spell your opponents wish to play, it is uncounterable and your commander ramps you anyway so you'll have the mana, plus if anyone tries to stop you short of a board wipe you just steal the spell and use it yourself, save some counter spells for the board wipes and you are now no longer playing your own deck but the best parts of all of your opponents decks, including their commanders.

[@Feyamius]

Evolutionary Escalation is quite cool if you have a Willbreaker ... ;) And I'd definitely play Consecrated Sphinx in this. If your opponents choose carddraw at the end of your turn, you draw two for each opponent who's chosen so. A nice way to take advantage of this general.

[@SynSabre]

I built my Kynaios and Tiro deck around landfall , i haven't tested it yet, but it seems pretty decent from my goldfishing

[@Mage2trick]

Mystic Barrier and Rite of the Raging Storm are HILARIOUS

[@parkercole6389]

My friends and I each got one fo the decks and I was the one who got the Group Hug one :) After playing it, there are some flaws in it. Firstly it needed actual board wipes so i put in a wrath of god, fumigate, as well as Hallowed burial? (the one that sends everything to the bottom of the deck) Secondly, I added in a lot more enchantments because the deck was sorely lacking and I wanted to get the moast out of Sphere of Safty" So i added: 1. Fallowed Footsteps (Combos well with Progenitor Mimic, Horizon CHimra, Chasm Skulker, and Elidion of Blossoms [another card I added]) 2. Burgeoning (Because for some reason it was not added in the main deck. Also added Horn of greed to combo well with Burgeoning) 3.Collapsing borders. This is an interesting group hug card if youre playing more than 3 colors, but punishes decks that are 2 or 1 color. 4. Rite of the Raging Storm. Put this in to give opponent play toys to hit eachother with (and they cant hit me) cuz why not 5.Eyes of the Widesent. to make sure no blue shenenigans happen during my turns cause theres only so much hugging I can do ;) 6. Fevered Vissions. added this for card punishment and lastly, as a win con, Helix pinicle. Im doing a TON of ramping so may as well put it to use. For extra help, I put in "Plea for Power" as well as "Exproreate" for extra turns (or draw power) and lets be honest, this gives opponents extra Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis" triggers so they weill be okay with it. and one of the last upgrades I did was add a few cards to punish opponents for having TOO many cards in hand ex (Viseling as well as Veverd Vissions) All of these additions were made from just what I had laying around in my collection so I spent nothing on upgrades xD So if anyone is wondering, i have no idea how much itll cost but I doubt anything here is expencive. SO yeah, heres my upgrades :)

[@TheRadikarAuthor]

I have modified a K&T Deck. I like to use Forced Fruition + Rule of Law to lock down my opponents. To make sure Rule of Law doesn't hurt me, I also run Venser, the Sojourner to blink it out on my turn. Venser, the Sojourner + Conjured Currency is somewhat similar to the Perplexing Chimera strategy. I also run Consecrated Sphinx because it is perfect for this deck. To ensure that I don't lose by running out of cards, I also run Laboratory Maniac for a win con. Another win con is Helix Pinnacle. If neither of those work, then I try to take what they have and use that as a win con either by Conjured Currency or Progenitor Mimic. A slow but great enchantment for the deck is Archmage Ascension. With K&T on the board, you will get that counter at end of turn, and with Consecrated Sphinx you can get counters on it at the end of your opponents turn! Once it's at 6, you can then tutor for anything in your deck.

[@spriteofsteel6130]

I agree that ghostly prison and propaganda have their weaknesses against strong creatures. However, in the later game, after cards like Hydra and Ishai (as long as it isn't a general) have been dealt with, combining ghostly prison, propaganda, windborn muse, and sphere of safety make it very expensive for an opponent to attack you.

[@oldirtysean00]

I think i have made the sweetest no black deck. The commander is horrible so I play partners which are not great either but 4.5 colors is awesome. I splash waste for mirrorpool and eldrazi displacer. I found these colors make a super sweet blink deck. Brago restoration angel kiki jiki venser as soon as i find one and a whole lot of great etb cards. It awesome when you can tap out for an avenger and when someone tries to kill it, you use chord of calling for resto to save your avenger and get more plants

[@WhisperingWinds0]

I started playing edh less than a month ago,and one of my friend is playing with kynaios and tiro of meletis, this commander is the "Good guy wingman commander" always helping you altho he's on the other side of the table lol

[@amodking]

Storm cauldron was made for this deck, I'm going to direction of landfall effects and using the world enchantment of all lands become 2/2's. gives me protection from board wipe effects, though in case one is played, I threw in signets and life from the loam. So I'll recover faster.. and thanks to you a game ended would be insurrection. All creatures become untapped and become mine for a turn which means all my lands which is already creatures and their lands and creatures to hopefully use a over run effect.

[@MetalOnyxWolf]

what it really loves is exilir of immortality, unlimited handsize, and windfall

[@nodin9439]

This deck makes me want to combo with laboratory maniac + mind over matter + monastery bell/arcanis the omipotent

[@mattfoley99]

I run surprise Group Hug With Pheldagriff. It's group hug ramp and Mana doubling effects...but I have a few "Bomb" cards to surprise people...like Steel of teh Godhead/Shield of the Oversoul and Untamed Might/Strength of Tajuru for a surprise win. Surprisingly...People dont' realize that Pheldagriff's "Drawback" isn't really one compared to the affects you can get from him.

[@drdavidchacon]

i havent lost with this deck yet and weve been playing 5 player. my main strategy out of the box was give people land like crazy, and treacherous terrain everyone, get it back and do it again. or use selfless squire with rubblehulk

[@blakey9869]

I bought this deck recently and plan on putting in revelarc karmic guide with blasting station and alter of dementia, my play group is very casual so i dont have to do super duper powerful stuff

[@meta4thoughts]

Gotta be honest... there are sweet commanders in this set... but am I odd thinking this one has the potential to be the most interesting?

[@s.i.rjewel828]

Literally my thoughts, atraxa is to prown to drawing hate, breya is cool but tbh I feel jhoira is better for artifacts. This one just feels like a really well rounded value commander that could ramp and draw you into your combo's easily

[@kylemogensen5756]

Assault Formation suddenly gives all of your strange, derpy legendary creatures teeth. Your 2/8 Kynaios and Tiro is now swinging for 8 and commander damage becomes an alternate win condition. And if you really want to win more, add in Sidar and make them unblockable.

[@DeviltoGeorgia34]

Divine Intervention seems better in Atraxa. You can keep proliferating the counters on it if you're winning, or use something like Hex Parasite, Thief of Blood, or Aether Snap if you're about to lose to say, "We tie, GG!!"

[@SpahSappinMahSentry1]

I'm AMAZED they didn't mention Fevered Visions. Josh, I'm disappointed

[@MtgAtlas]

Uba mask is great card for group hug decks that let your opponents draw cards. Just have a way to protect it because once people figure out what's going on, everyone is going to want to kill you first or remove it.

[@rizzle4029]

Perplexing Chimera is hilarious if you put Kiki-Jiki in the deck, too because just give them the Chimera token, take their spell, and then the token gets sacked and you still have their spell and your Chimera

[@MrEshed123]

Haha, that's a cool synergy.

[@ahaurw01]

Unfortunately the Chimera token will remain because Kiki-Jiki instructs his controller to sacrifice the token, which you cannot if you don't control the token. I found this out via Humble Defector.

[@aaronodell3281]

Honestly, sometimes when I play group hug, I don't even really have a win condition. I kind of just play cards that make the game more fun for everyone and watch the craziness happen.

[@caleb9807]

What do people think about using these guys as a competitive land destruction varient of this deck that uses symetrical ramp to bring all your opponents lands out of their decks and use armageddon effects to wipe all the land, recurring your land with crucible, splendid reclamation, or giving them indestructible?

[@anthonydelfino6171]

I did win with this deck out of the deck, but it was entirely with Keening Stone after so many mass card draw spells. I'm with you that the deck doesn't really have a built-in win strategy. I feel like capitalizing on forced card draw will help them out, so wheel effects, some mill cards, and then cards like Shattered Angel and Invader Parasite might help the deck out. Still trying to figure it out.

[@stevenvaughn9080]

I have found that my Gahiji group hug deck works best when I first make the most threatening player even more of a threat, then assist the other players, then throw up defenses as fast as I can.

[@Junius01]

I'm building a grouphug-ish deck with this commander, where I use copy and steal spells to get the best creatures/permanents my opponent has against them.

[@Kestral287]

Hilarious thing we learned about Ludevic: he works when somebody cracks a fetch. Players can work around that by just cracking them in end steps after he'd trigger, but it's the easiest deal in the world to make. The common excuse with him on the board is "I'm only attacking to draw a card". Offer to crack a fetch when somebody goes to do that and you can save yourself a decent bit of life-- or you can make somebody commit to being your enemy and now you know where to point threats. Or just use it politically to help the guy who can't swing but may be useful down the line. Or be the guy who can't/doesn't want to swing and ping yourself with your fetch (or shock, here) for the free card draw. Ludevic is hilarious. I do think Kraum might be better; I really want to try him and Vial-Smasher at the head of a Grixis control list. There are some decks he's not great against but "draw, play seven drop, go" is akin to "deck that you beat with a counterspell and get a free ping at somebody with Vial-Smasher in the process".

[@DoomedLich]

You can actually trigger it on your turn by cracking your own fetch.

[@s.i.rjewel828]

So I'm gonna be that guy and reference a fallen empires card, I've never been more tempted to put rainbow vale in a deck and that's just an include I feel like this deck would go crazy with gaea's cradle and serra's sanctum along with candelabra of tawnos with some mana rocks for extra value

[@WhereNightingaleSing]

In my experience, adding something as crazy as Jin-Gitaxias can be a bad idea, as it makes people think the deck is Jin-Gitaxias deck more than group hug and hate you out early in the following games. Also, I am surprised you did not mention Assault Formation, as that card can give some gotcha moments with how big your commander is, especially with Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa in the deck.

[@joshleekwai8895]

Oh..Assault Formation. Did not think of that. That's a great idea.

[@Dragonspassage]

Hugs does much better with evacuation style effects into wheel style effects. That is how i like to play them anyway. Hugs is my favorite deck type lol

[@davesgoldenduck6066]

This Deck is also helping other players

[@peterbraudt7894]

I like playing group hug chaos. play double mana abilities, double damage abilities, and group mana. kinda let everyone love you then drop things like eldrazis and progenitous etc. Go for a single swing to win after all the carnage.

[@jacobdachauer4377]

I never really play group hug too much, but the way I read this commander, yes you let everyone else play lands or draw cards, but you are doing both, drawing lots of cards and ramping every turn, along with the standard ramp you have built into the deck....you build your deck knowing you are going to have lots of mana.....why not get some huge devastating eldrazi and other behemoth creatures that you can cast quite easily! along with enchantments like lurking predators oath of druids and maybe creature like elvish piper (although quite the target, and is easily killed, but still a good way to cheat some out), you can get stack the deck with a lot of scary threats. It seems like that could be a fun way to build this deck that isn't group huggy.

[@crongnakpunch7851]

group hug can also win by taking the players turns for them after you've helped them ramp, darreti emblem mindslaver and I use them to kill each other and you're good, kind of a dream but wow

[@JeroenHeremans]

I loved the out of the box party video. Why isn't there any video of you this time? I liked that format...

[@joshleekwai8895]

We had to record remotely because I was out of town.

[@JeroenHeremans]

That's seems a good reason ;-) No worries. Love the show. More videos like the out of the box party!! I loved the fact that we could follow the game without watching every main phase and combat phase for four hours :-P

[@jbvarghese1993]

Im surprised you guys didnt mention how powerful Sidar Kondo is in Doran decks.

[@dtopa7524]

very cool. Do Saskia next! :)

[@EliyaSelhub]

I picked up a copy, but I'm going to tear it apart to make a chaos deck.

[@WilhelmScreamer]

Evolutionary escalation is politics 101: the card. That and you can do silly things with the counters 35:14 75% means being able to go between 100% and 50% at will. A deck that can scale up or down without needing to alter the contents.

[@EVO1148]

WilhelmScreamer I think evolutionary escalation is great because importantly you get to choose which card to put the +3/+3 on. Maybe it's a card you know they want to sacrifice anyway, maybe it's a card that's too weak to do anything even with the boost while you get the pay off. You can even give the counters to the player who's clearly going to lose in two turns time etc. I would hardly call it one of the duds in the deck

[@GellarFieldEngineer]

Maybe it is just me but the audio seems to echo, maybe I just never realized it before. In particular Josh's audio.

[@MrBobbyHuber]

Ward of Bones could work well to halt opponent progression over you with this deck.

[@peterbraudt7894]

evolutionary escalation is good for secret ally. Once you figure out your teammate.

[@Reksly]

I'm playing mine as if I want to be someone's benefactor and kingmaker only to kill them at the end. I'm playing lots of damage doublers and prison effects.

[@kennethacuna9996]

Evolutionary Escalation + Meekstone

[@felipefspb]

yes! part 2!!!

[@05yuya]

I think you misunderstood the way group hug is played. In looking at very narrow parameters for what makes a deck in that it needs to win. the player giving others advantage like crazy might be in a different mindset. I always sat group hug players as people who like to set conditions into a game to make it crazy. Hive mind, scrambleverse, knowlage pool. I think saying that the deck was the least effektive is disenginues because your mindset was that it needed to win for the player to achive success.

[@tyrantpanda4204]

Doesn't this deck come with Homeward Path? That can be an answer to the Chimera problem

[@rynotopdeckryno3726]

I was wondering what your thoughts were on cards that use "outside the game" in commander, like burning wish, coax from the blind eternities and spawnsire of ulamog. Do you use a sideboard in commander? or do you just bring a bunch of targets for the card?

[@liammallam3018]

Ryan Coulson since commander is a casual format it can mean entire collection you have in the room

[@sharpshot2356]

Possibility storm for shenanigans

[@squeakyp87]

Play Zur's Weirding. It'd make things interesting.

[@dakotamcintire7419]

Evolutionary escalations decent with skullbriar.

[@bubbabenali]

Getting another land out every turn can fire up something like Meloku or the Visions uncommon lands. Also, embrace the grouphug and go full throttle: Well of Ideas, Consecrated Sphinx and Kydele. And cards like Tithe are turning into ramp mode, puting in something like Azusa or Burgeoning and you are one or 2 mana infront of the others. Have fun with a Boomerang on a stick targeting lands or get rid of them with a Sunder altogether. And how could I forget about Kismet and Stasis!?

[@thisisnowtaken]

Journeyer's Kite to make sure you get your trigger every turn?

[@matthew2992]

Hey guys. Quick question. As Kynaios and Tiro reads, "Each player may put a land card from his or her hand onto the battlefield, then each opponent who didn't draws a card." You guys said towards the beginning of the video that the person who controls the card can potentially draw two cards out of this. I read it as the player can draw a card and then play a land or not, since the last part reads each opponent. I am just a little confused on the ruling as it has come up in our home games once or twice already. I would love some clarification. Great video by the way!

[@jox4554]

He misspoke. The card is best thought of as you can Draw a card AND Play a land at your end step. Where opponents can Draw a card OR play a land.

[@matthew2992]

Great. Thanks!

[@joshleekwai8895]

I don't think this is what I said? If so it was an accident. I probably meant that when Kynaios and Tiro are out you are drawing two cards per turn counting your normal draw step.

[@SuperiorFanBase]

Gay kings best group hug deck.

[@davesgoldenduck6066]

Also preventing them from attacking you

[@TheKurthos]

Hallowed Burial > Hivemind > Tunnel Vision Hivemind > Pact Drop of Honey, Porphory Nodes

[@iPlayChessAndStratego]

they play a lot of stuff and then you cast super fun stuff like... Perplexing Chimera Order of Succession Insurrection Mass Mutiny Confusion in the Ranks Thieves' Auction Hive Mind Blatant Thievery

[@hansolo1056]

Could you adjust the deck to have milling as a win con?

[@d.k.t.3380]

If you're playing mass land destruction, play "Terra Eternal" And make your lands indestructible!

[@dshumway0724]

I played against someone who played manabarbs in group hug

[@RichKing14]

Man, It's pretty disheartening to see this evaluation and some of the recommendations. Comments like "but it doesn't help me enough", "not enough board wipes" or suggestions like, elsh norn mass land destruction seem far off base. The end of the day is, the deck is group hug. Saying that the deck is weak and having to resort to politics as the win condition isn't the way to look at it. The real idea is, how do I get more political? How do I win with politics? Do I even want to win in the first place, or have fun? Tempting offers, offerings, mana flare, and windfall effects. These are the suggestions I want to see.

[@EVO1148]

Enocan Yeah they also missed a doozy with that one board wipe which causes all creatures to deal damage to themselves because in this deck basically every creature has a higher toughness than power! It's basically a board wipe against just your opponents, how is that not awesome?!

[@crongnakpunch7851]

it must be said that Doran really wants Sidar, so so bad

[@tscarable]

I have a deck designed to make the game end in a draw. group hug definitely doesn't want to win it wants to create choas and strange board state.

[@thundersin1]

Ngl, you guys barely had any group hug suggestions. not a huge fan.

[@henrygomez7142]

Reins of power is a kill condition.

[@melvinwessel]

How many lands do you suggest for K and T?

[@corrackisdead]

Fliegi LP 7

[@SkyeHawthorn]

Could anyone see this commander as enchantress build?

[@brentjones1660]

Oh.....so you have an ishai with 80 +1 +1 counters on it, well I'm just going to reigns of power...RIP

[@dannytheangel]

Give opponents creatures then mob rule them LOL. And if they bring out powerful creatures just play switcheroo for laughs and giggles. Hunted dragon would be good in this deck.

[@PressXtoDoubt]

Life gain anyone? This with test of endurance would be cool lol

[@blrieder]

the deck wizards had a good idea for and then spent no time developing it because it wasn't fun to play :o

[@Dragonspassage]

Its more playing hug is a style that most people don't have. I think its a great deck and i'd say the only stronger deck out of the box is Atraxa.

[@echoesvayne9790]

My eldrazi are all in this deck with haste enablers, and theft effects. Let everyone play magic, but then take their stuff and annihilate. ... consecrated sphinx has gotten me milled twice though in this deck... though it was by a green player after I had a 38 card hand and he got to draw 32 cards off of a FLASHED in sandstone oracle on the end step before my turn, which knocked me out and let him win the game... booo

[@ODDnanref]

Wondering about Saskia, doing aggro in Multiplayer is not easy. Edit: I have had bad experience with people who argued for transgender and homosexual characters. However even with all that crap, specially SJWs I like how Wizards is handling this. Edit: Possibility storm and Kraum. He can work as part of the 99 when you are playing a deck that forces people to cast two or more spells or none at all. He can be the draw engine until you draw the second half of your prison. Preventing you opponent from casting spells. Edit: Evolutionary Escalation let's you choose what creature ETS big. so if they have a bunch of 1/1s you get to slowly make them 3/3s and get you one creature ti a 30/30.

[@MajinMaster97]

I can't say that I've ever had a 'bad' experience with people who want inclusion. A character being transgendered or homosexual in the lore doesn't affect the game at all, and Kynaios and Tiro only show this through their slightly affectionate art, done very well I might add. Inclusion is important because people like that don't have many characters to rally behind. Kynaios and Tiro are a great example of inclusion done well, and alluded to in their playstyle.

[@ODDnanref]

***** I know and that is why I like Wizards for doing it this way. As far as bad experiences go, for wanting inclusion there is none. My bad experiences are people going far from that and demanding superiority and calling it inclusion.

[@bobbymichealson798]

I like to go with fun political cards that let people have some advantage, but they give me more advantage. I become the monarch!

[@brianmullen883]

There's a transgender character? Who is it?

[@commandcast]

Alesha, Who Smiles at Death :)

[@allanrainier1711]

The Command Zone please confirm if Asiok is trans too?

[@benvillasenor8193]

Technically, Ashiok doesn't have a gender. Or at least doesn't identify with one.

[@silverfangmoonhunter]

+Allan Rainier Ashiok is non-binary, fam. Just like Yahenni and all the other Aetherborn.

[@elbehemoth386]

Fucking gross.

[@scorpion7156]

Can I buy somthing off you

[@stratoincendus3869]

Why do people call this deck "blackless"? I mean, Kynaios is black, so... 😂 it's actually the only precon that is NOT blackless. Apart from that, this commander deck should be "rainbow" (for obvious reasons 😉), so you could add in Doran the Siege Tower and make it all about the butts... 😜 (2/8 stats, just sayin') So yeah, agree with you guys... black lands matter 😁. RGWU would have made for a great enchantment / aura deck, imho.

[@TemporalMeteor]

well of course you were trying to win through politics, that's how hug works. you play in second place for most of the game. once most of the players are gone you duel with the last one. realm seekers and psychosis crawler are your wincons. you give value all game and no one will be using resources on you, then you swoop in to grab the win from the last player

[@Kestral287]

You have to be able to swoop in though, and the precon can't really do that.

[@WeirdSchizo]

Once your playgroup knows your deck's gameplan, they will use resources on you. Even if it might counter-productive, because you let them draw cards and ramp them, if you steal all too many games with a deck, opponents will focus you at some point.