Silas Renn + Sidar Kondo Deck Tech | The Command Zone 145 | Magic: the Gathering Commander

[@djskype020202]

I watch the Star City's games Commander series and I watch your game Knights series and I prefer yours. I like how you guys throw in some animations in there and then you talk about the plays that you did and the board States.

[@ninjafished]

game knights has much more going on for sure.. Its all in the hours upon hours of editing and animations, with after action interviews. comander vrs is simply a game played from start to finish with some commentary at the end. i love them both but game knights pulls ahead with the production value

[@commandcast]

If you haven't seen the Game Knights episode where Jimmy plays this deck, make sure to check it out for 40 minutes of pure Commander gameplay! kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHzXaplogNlqm68

[@creedplaysgames9811]

would love to see someone play the 5 color lands EDH deck. winning with things like mazes end is so much fun

[@jackbissette3079]

Card in the beginning: Harabaz Druid

[@epee11c]

I enjoy the first four minutes of every episode. This one's for you and your damaged ego Jimmy!

[@soorian6493]

I want to say that the game knights episodes are hands down the best edited mtg gameplay I've seen on KZbin. It's not even close.

[@asa466]

Awesome video, I always love learning about sweet new combos. I'd love to see more deck techs of the decks you and your friends play in the Game knights series.

[@brookelamothe9793]

The beginning should never change

[@pkphantom]

46:15 That was the red mage in Jimmy coming out. Victory's no fun if there isn't a chance of failure or defeat xD

[@janbeetz1397]

Hi, Josh and Jimmy. Just saw this episode and wanted to give you my most favored way to combo off. I like storm, i really do, but since i once played my Melek EDH deck, and went to a twenty minute combo turn, i had to change something. All my opponents were tired just looking me going through my library until i finally killed them all in a single turn. It felt great for me to assemble a combo that lets my cast nearly every card of my deck, but since the win was only clear to see after 15 minutes or so, i had a bad feeling abount my opponents. Now is still play combo and still some kind of storm cards. The big difference now is that i set up the win during doing my thing. Usually cards like Sphinx-Bone Wand and Guttersnipe do that job very well for me. With those cards its pretty easy for me to win within going for my strategy like spellslinging. I can still choose to not play them and try to go the long way, if i'm in a playgroup that is open to let me play my turn for several minutes, but since most groups won't, winning some games is now a side effect for me, because i don't actuelly need to win, but rather play for a hugh turn. With Guttersnipe, Aetherflux Reservoir, or Sphinx-Bone Wand i'm no longer tempted to do so, because my opponents dy faster than i can play most cards of my deck. P.S.: thank for all the different content and highly deep analysis, as well as etiquette (good social behavoir) you present us every week. This podcast is constantly improving, highly professional, informative and very entertaining. You're the best ;)

[@DatBrasss]

I love Hardcore History! I had no idea you listened to it as well... Guess I just missed the episodes where you mentioned it before. Oh, and good deck tech, as always.

[@alchemist7586]

I wanted a nuts & bolts EDH deck for such a long time, thanks Jimmy!

[@KingHeadbang]

I like having incedental combos in my decks. The only deck I have currently built is Krenko, which abuses the commander tax rule, by getting a haste enabler, Skirk Prospector and a critical mass of goblins to make "infinite" goblins.

[@Y0utube5ucks]

I have 4 decks, Meren of Clan Nel Toth, Derevi Imperial Tactician, Kami of The Crescent Moon, and Krenko Mob Boss. Krenko is still my favorite hands down, nothing better than dropping Purphoros with a few gobbies on board and then tapping the Boss. :) I just got a Hall of the Bandit Lord/ Mass Hysteria and they have been fantastic so far.

[@k1n6n07h1n6]

The only combo I use in EDH is the Sanguine Bond/Exquisite Blood combo in my Kambal, Consul of Allocation deck. While it's in there, I generally don't go for it too often being I don't have ways of cheating it out. I like having the combo option, but I also like having fun in EDH

[@PeeweeJ-lq8il]

Bichpants McGee and combining is fun for some people so there's no reason to shame it

[@CR-kr9cs]

Build a jank combo deck for a way to test the water in other peoples decks. I play Mardu fling tribal for this purpose, it’s a do nothing deck. pay life to draw cards, discard a lot for recursion then go infinite out of nowhere and kill the table or gain a million life. But I never kill everyone, I kill one a turn or kill them when they attack me. It will let you watch people play and see what speed their decks are, also shows how willing they are to sandbag removal for when it’s necessary. That’s how I choose what power level to play at for the night. These games last 30-40 min usually before my $40 en-kor jank kills everyone. Then we play for real lol

[@bryanbonar]

I am a combo player, but I like to feel like my combo success was "earned". an example of this is I recently built a Niv-Mizzet storm deck, but I am avoiding some cards like Omniscience or Paradox Engine because once Mana management is no longer an issue, the chance of my combo fizzling is very low. I enjoy the feeling of getting there, and if I can't fizzle, getting there is a given.

[@Phoenix69Evolution04]

I get what you mean. I'm a Johnny at heart, but I don't like "I get these cards, ok, i win." I prefer to just go a lot rather than go infinite, for instance Mayhem Devil and Silverclad Ferocidons.

[@kylecarson3318]

I've only built one combo EDH deck. It's Sliver Queen. The deck requires at least four cards and has Recruiter of the Guard as the only tutor. There are multiple options of each of the four kinds of cards I need for the combo. Four cards for infinite tapped slivers. Five plus cards to end the game while comboing.

[@semi-decent1844]

I don't usually play combos but i love super synergies. My most recent deck is a Rosheen Meanderer deck and there isn't any infinite combo but my main win condition is fireball and firecat blitz and it is so much fun.

[@RosieAndLowKi]

Hey I was thinking about making a Rosheen Meanderer deck got any advice? is she a fun commander to use?

[@jonahmatso1920]

I tried to build her. I personally did not enjoy her. My deck was hard to balance, and most games ended in me either winning on turn 7 or just not doing anything. You should build 5 color zada. Now that is a fun deck. Either play Tazri (She tutors for Zada) as your commander or play Scion of the Ur-Dragon (Grabs mirrorwing dragon). My favorite deck I have ever built.

[@semi-decent1844]

I really enjoy it because of how explosive it can be and I am running a very budget version so the actual power in my deck is not super high but I have a token sub theme that fits my meta really well so I find it fun to play.

[@MrCannibalMan]

+Austin Bergeland if you want a similar style of deck, Mina and Denn lands matter and Big mana is also super fun. My end game is almost always fireball spells for 40+

[@snowcoveredplainswalker442]

Call the deck what it is XD EGGS! A friend of mine is building it with Silas and Bruse, access to red makes the deck SO much stronger, Goblin Welder, Daretti, Trash for Treasure and many others help

[@josephdillard2648]

this deck with isochrom is broken

[@EpicCenterGaming]

Have you guys ever tried making "block constructed" edh decks? My current Atraxa build is an energy based deck using a majority of the energy producers/sinks from Kaledesh and Aether Revolt, with a few edh staples thrown in to round things out. It's been a blast to play, and might be an idea I use to build new decks moving forward! :D

[@peterklein3354]

Sweet deck. Maybe Auriok Salvagers could be a nice addition for value and another combo with the small artifact can-trips and Lion's Eye Diamond ?

[@QodeMusic]

A combo i like is a creature with indestructible and World Slayer. If you can get it to connect you'll create a situation where your opponents can't win anymore. You'll just keep swinging and destroy their stuff and slowly kill them all, until someone topdecks a Swords to Plowshares and gets that off on their turn with that one land they can play... and then you Spell Pierce it.

[@omgoblins]

I really enjoyed this video. I have been working on a Sydri EDH deck which was about 80% similar to yours as I was trying to do cool stuff with Salvaging Station as well. I was really happy to see this episode and have definitely added some things from yours. I wasn't into the heavy combo even with Salvaging Station but it looks a lot of fun. Flayer Husk.. omg so good. I wanted to say, the whole time I was thinking you should just drop green and add red with Akiri, Line Slinger as your other partner. I know it was a deck restriction, and it obvi worked with the W ;) but yeah that would give you access to some awesome stuff like Breya, the daretti's, slobad, goblin welder, etc.

[@lancalot889]

i love our guys opening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@MajorlySpicy]

interesting deck tech guys, would like to see what was going on with the Titania deck since we didn't really get to see it in action. also, the best way to do the salvaging station + lotus bloom combo is with March of the Machines or Karn Silver Golem and Master of Etherium to keep the lotus bloom from dying once it's a creature. then make infinite mana :)

[@joshleekwai8895]

We did a deck tech on an old version of the Titania deck way back in episode 21. A lot of cards have been updated and tuned but the deck still basically functions the same: collected.company/2014/12/02/titania-protector-of-argoth-21/

[@ramirogomezgonzalez]

well now i want to see a game knights with stax! great show as always

[@serafimb2319]

the ultimate boardwipe? The command cast found it!! 23:37

[@tomloveless6820]

Hey guys, while I do not consider myself a combo player, I really enjoy synergistic decks with lots of moving parts. I do, however, occasionally "whoops" into an infinite combo that I didn't realize I had built into my deck.

[@LazySnorlax101]

Just letting you know there is a 4 drop artifact that gives you hexproof, it's called Witchbane Orb

[@matthewmarkudis6065]

Hey guys, first, more than anything I want to say that the work you guys do on this channel is absolutely brilliant! Keep up the good work! And secondly, If possible, me and my playgroup are looking for a good life counter app, which one do you use for the Game Knights series? It seems pretty solid?

[@MrZoichi]

I'm kind of a combo player. I like them, and I like the thrill of assembling them and going off, but I also don't build them into every deck. I usually go for heavy synergy first and then add in a combo if I think the win conditions are lacking; I also keep my combo as 3 or more cards so that they can be interrupted/disrupted and a bit harder to assemble.

[@nathanmarcano3171]

I have only one infinite combo in my Infect deck, and that is turns. Ezuri, Claw of Progress (which I will state now is probably the best of the 2015 Commanders because U/G is so strong, he has a relevant creature type for tribal decks, and +1/+1 counters really do counter infect [Pun intended.]) at 5 XP counters, with the Sage of Hours, so long as no one has instant speed removal, you just go ham. Even then, I've only gotten it to work about three times in well over a hundred games at this point. My tip would be to not make the combo the win condition, but an alternate win condition so it appears less threatening. Because it is in Infect, no one is looking at the dorky mythic 1/1.

[@ericmcconville9187]

Nathan Marcano Well ezuri is good, but after the decks have been out for so long nobody can contest that meren was the best one they printed, there's a reason she's the one in the anthology.

[@jdmoralesp]

another good smack win with the deck can be with the new artifact creature of aether revolt that gets +1/+1 each time you activate an ability

[@judahdevadoss3343]

That is of course a Harabaz Druid along with Brago. Also, keep up the intros!

[@alexwaren2030]

you should start every show with a guy running with a fist full of cards in slow motion to dramatic music, and have the wilhelm scream in slo mo as they throw the cards and have them all land so that the exposed letters spell out "command zone"

[@Silentwolf4321]

hey Jimmy just saw your performance as Fred chu and freaked out I didn't know you could be an actor and play magic lol XD

[@CaramelAshe]

technically im a combo player as i run the sanguene bond and exquisite blood in my oloro deck but really i like just having a turn that grabs me half of my deck with infinite hand size and throwing down 7, 8, and 9 mana bombs that just wreak the board when they enter play

[@TheLoneRoadie85]

I have a b/u/g commander deck with damia. although I won mostly through infino- turns, I also work on extra lands. just need to get a Gitrog monster.

[@dylanabernathy7349]

The game where he played this deck made me want to start building this commander deck

[@ValanceJ]

I'm just gonna admit that I've kind of always just skipped the singing intros. Just not my thing. But this deck is! I've been wanting to build something around Sidar Kondo, and Silas Renn was my first choice for the partner.

[@thatoneperson4767]

For a combo to be fun for me, all the combo pieces have to be synergistic without the other combo pieces. For example, I would like Revilark+ Karmic Guide in Alesha because both of those cards are super synergistic but I wouldn't enjoy Anefenza + Murderous Redcap because those cards aren't that synergistic with what that deck does.

[@wolfymtg9510]

I love wonder wall, so keep going greats of the 90!!

[@joemeenie]

clock of omens with static orb = evil fun

[@mobeanie]

Such a perfect embodiment of Kaldesh

[@danielwiltse8816]

The salvaging station untaps if a creature is put into a graveyard. Wouldn't the germ be removed from the game?

[@thecraftymerc2005]

Heartless Hidetsugu deck FTW is all I'm gonna say. As much draw and ramp as mono red can do, then haste and furnace of rath effect for game.

[@peterchapman3177]

with Dramatic Reversal under Isochron Scepter if you have mana rocks, you can get infinite mana out of nowhere

[@trifcraft712]

I just made up a good combo. Deadeye navigator, Tree of Perditition, Triskaidephobia and elbrus, the binding blade (only if you can make this combo in late game) Play Triskaidephobia then the Tree of Perditition make target player lose the game exile it and return it and etc.

[@MrNoxLD]

I've found a happy middle ground with infinite combos in my Roon deck. I only play one tutor (Tooth and Nail) which makes my games more varied and my infinite combos in the deck are Eldrazi Displacer + Peregrine Drake for infinite mana or Eternal Witness + Ghostly Flicker + Peregrine Drake for infinite mana + every card in my graveyard back in my hand. I try to only go for infinite combo if a) I have a nutty god hand where I can win very early, b) the game has on for a long time and I want the game to end so we can shuffle up and play a new one, or c) a player has a commanding position and I have no way to disrupt them other than go for the win myself. I used to play a lot of tutors and it made for pretty boring gameplay, so I added a lot more card draw, a few counterspells, and some more toolbox creatures and now have a ton of fun playing the deck again!

[@fierna9426]

So, you guys are just talking about not enjoying to play combo, and all I can think of is how all my EDH deck are combo (Nin, the Pain Artist U/R control/combo, Yidris Storm and Karador Aristocrats. Not my French deck though, that's a pile of 40 removal spells, 40 lands and then some other cards.

[@Lucarioguild7]

Yeah I'm like you guys I usually have one or two infinite combos but I never go for them I just let it happen naturally, especially since a lot of my decks win on turn 3-5 anyway :P

[@shivatrance]

Shout out for Josh giving Dan Carlin's Hardcore History a shoutout. Powerful Mongols. #JRE

[@joshleekwai8895]

shivatrance That show is just too good! Glad you're a fan as well.

[@schwarzertee7586]

I like decks that are not centered around combos. The only deck of mine that has "several" endless-win-combos is my BW Kambal deck with basically Sanguine Bond and Exquisite Blood in it ("several" because there are several cards with the same effects). If i happen to draw them or only can win through this combo, then I'd tutor for it (I only use Diabolic tutor - the others are too expensive for my taste) otherwise I just take the effect of the respective other card and be happy about it. Hence it is a lifegain deck it got some cheap winoptions like the Aetherflux Reservior and Felidar Sovereign (Which i dont like, the reservoir is fun tho) but my most beloved combination is Sanguine Bond + Debt to the Deadless (XWWBB every opponent loses twice X life and you gain as much life as lost this way) which basically kills 1-2 people right away. For example, X=6/7 (which is not very unlikely) and everyone loses 12-14life and then i can make someone else lose another 36-42 life. This deck is a lot of fun, but it generates a lot, and I mean A LOT of hate from basically everyone else :D not that they dont want to play against it, they just hate on it (constantly killing my commander for example)

[@Zomgwtfbbq1228]

28:13 Jimmy said something about a stacks deck? what was he referring to?

[@MetalSnakeBoogy]

Hey do something with Akiri, Line Slinger. (r)(w) 0/3 flying, vigilance, first strike that gets powered by artifacts. Ramp to Voltron Akiri.

[@jhoku1]

It would be interesting see someone play tribal deck in Gameknights. I have maked Sliver tribal deck is funny to play and once it is get shroud + indestrucbility and extra protection to mass exiles. Other good combination is deathtouch and when sliver attacks it makes one damage to target player or creature. I know some people "hate" playing against sliver deck, but to me edh is place where i want everybody play how they want to play. To me slivers represent perfection and perfected unity. One is all and all is one.

[@jhoku1]

And would be fun to watch you playing planechase commander in gameknights. I would be so sooo exicited to watch it... :0

[@Sandalphonium]

I feel a better feeling deck using these commanders would be more of a creature token strategy.

[@Spckeck]

This may seem like an odd question, any chance of seeing a "play all' feature on the collected.company site?

[@thatoneguyshawn]

How about feldons cane? Artifact that shuffles your graveyard into your deck.

[@RookedWithElodin]

that was a great harmony!

[@Vininn126]

I personally am a Timmy/Johnny player, in that I like decks that do big dumb stuff, but I like combos (I do avoid infinite combos player.)

[@slidtax1772]

I know that Jimmy probably thought about this, but this deck seems like it would be better with Breya as the commander, and then he could have red in it too.

[@joshleekwai8895]

He specifically set a goal of not using red.

[@sdgundum990]

I enjoy playing combo, but with the more janky 4 card combo's or combo's that are difficult to achieve in general. I play a highly degenerate Daretti deck where the main combos are Mind slaver lock, or Nim's Death mantle, Krark clan ironworks, and Myr battle sphere. There are times when I just have to end the game with Blightsteel though. The only house rule we have (thus far) is that Iona is banned.

[@Philson]

3:43 :)

[@ivan201294]

Purphoros, always Purphoros!

[@Agrus_Kadeen]

You guys should make an album.

[@j.p.organiscak7348]

Clock of omens, myr battlesphere, goblin welder, and liquid metal coating gives you infinite myr's

[@adamreed2088]

I like deck idea but i was wondering of there is a way to make it more budget friendly?

[@theodore1025]

It's a shame he couldn't play red with Sidar Kondo, Jimmy probably had nightmares about Master of Cruelties the night before the game lol

[@red_killer4139]

Jimmy u should of put scrap trawler, ashnods alter, efficient construction and an ornithopter

[@quentinblack8691]

Yeah! hardcore history rules!

[@fernandocordeiro3037]

Hi guys, i'm from Brazil and i like your vídeos so muck. I have a request ^^ , a Jarad Deck Tech \o/. Keep the great job :p

[@raimundkeller6115]

so about the second combo you mentioned, how come, that chromatic star isnt affected by summoning sickness after being brought back from your graveyard?

[@squirtleninja]

non-creatures don't have summoning sickness.

[@raimundkeller6115]

squirtleninja but march of the machines makes it a creature

[@Newsted]

According to gatherer, being made a creature by March of the Machines makes it subject to the "summoning sickness" rule.

[@omgoblins]

I think you're misinterpreting what he's saying. He clearly talks about needing a sac outlet with this combo. You seem to think he's suggesting it's a 3-card combo, which he says there are no 2 card ones and it's a 4 card one and mentions you need the sac outlet of Krark or Ashnod's (to gain mana). He's not relying on the Star to sacrifice itself to go infinite.

[@raimundkeller6115]

Yup that is actually what happened here. I thought he wanted to get infinite draws with the stars tap ability. I didnt realize that he said he needs a sac outlet to do it.

[@danielwiltse8816]

If you to add red which partner would you choose

[@chubby_deity3143]

im ok with putting combos in the deck, but when i do, i lay off most, if not all the tutors, so i have to draw into them, seems less spiky that way

[@vinightshade6026]

I love your podcast guys

[@cthomas992]

Heyo, where's the Deck Doctors series at?

[@davidschultz8745]

hey for one game knights you should play plane chase

[@PyroTheEC]

Yes i go for infinite mana and tokens but im now looking at infinite turnes using time sieve

[@DuncanEllis]

if you want to Insta-Smak everyone in one turn, maybe add Blade of Selves?

[@williamwilcox6031]

Duncan Ellis blade of selves doesn't copy counters

[@DuncanEllis]

that would be bad for Arcbound Ravager, wouldn't it? Ha! thanks for that correction.

[@williamwilcox6031]

No problem :)

[@mileshipke8374]

if you infinitely sacrifice everything that really isn't a problem is it?

[@williamwilcox6031]

As long as you can loop your infinite sac at instant speed

[@Starfury117]

This deck feels like a typical combo sharuum deck. Plus green. And I dont think you even played green on game knights !

[@Crimson9578]

Is there a deck list that we can look at? tappedout maybe?

[@commandcast]

Yup! Also in the More Info box: tappedout.net/mtg-decks/silas-renn-sidar-kondo-jimmy-game-knights-3/

[@Crimson9578]

thanks for adding it

[@zeitgeistwarrior]

Make Yahenni Stax :D

[@spikedglue2803]

Sidar COMBO

[@jldestruction]

Isn't mogg fanatic and salvaging station a two card infinite damage combo?

[@ninjafished]

salvaging station only brings back a 1 or 0 cmc non creature artifact. so no.

[@Ryuka1993]

Well I officially hate you guys now. Or rather my wallet does. I recently got a hold of several partner commanders including silas and now my brain is going nuts thinking of how to make my own version of this deck.

[@ehallam08]

Wall of denial is a wonder Wall. #justazoriousthings

[@AndyRease]

༼ຈل͜├┬┴┬┴ pst, hey command zone, would you like some wonderwall?

[@xanaxkamikaze]

What happens when you tap an equipment that is already equipped to a creature?

[@joshleekwai8895]

xanaxkamikaze Nothing happens as far as what it's doing on the battlefield - the equipment itself doesn't care if it's tapped or untapped unless stated on the card.

[@xanaxkamikaze]

Thanks very much. I was very curious about whether or not tapping it affected its equipped status. This is very interesting.

[@natoni5146]

i love to combo with storm

[@diegopitt2236]

Do more game nights plz

[@90skull]

wait i never saw forgemaster in the gameknights episode?

[@commandcast]

I think I mistakenly confused it for another episode we recorded where Josh did counter it! My bad -jimmy

[@kaisersouzei]

Shit, Shower, Shave. Good morning.

[@DCAMM720]

4:58 actual video starts

[@Amyas80s]

Yay the intros are poop

[@familienandersen9333]

no they are awsome :)

[@KillinTime2792]

0:00 The ACTUAL video starts

[@vinceinman9666]

Still no stats graphic? Bummed =/

[@lupoarcana]

I usually play combo decks lazily. Kinda group huggy with the attitude

[@samueljurewicz3206]

why not grinding station?

[@Rapaijas]

What exactly does sidar kondo do in this deck?

[@chubby_deity3143]

i think its more like insurance, having him out makes sure silas gets to trigger if the board doesnt feel safe, i think

[@dataovermind]

Not really a combo player. I tend to win by swinging in with an Avenger of Zendikar and a bunch of plant tokens.

[@EbonyJarret]

harabaz druid

[@butterydeath7145]

Lets do 4 player stax

[@vincentsolano7733]

griding station and flayer husk work better

[@karlovcg1823]

It cant be called the SSS. This is commander not draft :)