[L216] Cutting a key using Jon Lock's Lishi Key Cutter Guides

[@PocketWomen]

This is a great demonstration of how these jigs will work once they are past the prototype phase of testing. Thanks for doing this video, cheers

[@norlin76]

Thank you, Jon already has a new version out and is all over making modifications! Great to have community feedback for him!

[@daveb2387]

I had the same exact problem on these guides. They were all off by 1. If I needed an 8 cut. I had to use the 9 guide. Glad I'm not the only one with this issue.

[@norlin76]

I should revisit this experiment with a set of resin printed guides. Will come out more accurate and see if Jon would adjust his guides according to that.

[@maureenswallow3054]

Not one hundred percent convinced myself, but as a working progress The tool is on the right path. The subtle difference between one depth and the next cut up is Simply good engineering, good demonstration and let's see And enjoy where this tool is going to get too,billbo.

[@norlin76]

Thanks for watching! The tool is definitely on the right track. Even without a precise printer, you can make precise guides. I could take these ones and file each section down a little, cut the key and then measure the results with calipers...once the guides are tuned, you'd be good to go :) The price can't be beat!

[@LOCKGuru-je4yi]

Hello I am a locksmith from China. Enjoy your video .ln China .there are more and better ways to make a key without a key. We can be friends,learm from each other,we can be good friends.

[@norlin76]

Welcome! This was a review of free 3d printable guides...for making keys I use a professional key cutting machine, but this is a great hobby method for making them very cheap!

[@LOCKGuru-je4yi]

@@norlin76 我见过中国的老师傅通过开启后观察锁孔弹珠的高矮，仅仅用锉刀一把钥匙坯子。在钥匙全部丢失的情况下，做出来一把顺利的钥匙。你所用的李氏剪齿钳发明人就拥有这个技术。 不过你们有先进的 方法和工具，降低了操作难度，值得学习

[@norlin76]

@@LOCKGuru-je4yi yes, if you use a decoder like a Lishi you can then just cut the key to the proper height using a file (or cutting machine). Also, even without a decoder, you can use the impressioning method to file your key ( I do this in my video here kzbin.info/www/bejne/inm7g2x_obuKg80 and here kzbin.info/www/bejne/apzdnIJorLajb9k )

[@LOCKGuru-je4yi]

@@norlin76 我很佩服你，技术太好了。

[@norlin76]

@@LOCKGuru-je4yi Thank you kindly!

[@evilarchconservative2952]

Handy little guides.

[@norlin76]

They're pretty cool! I have a benchtop cutter so probably won't use these in general, but I can see these being super handy and very portable!

[@Chirael]

Great review here, thanks for doing and sharing this Michael. With these guides (and the Schlage guides on Red Team Tools), you think “all I need is the clippers, the guides and a blank and I’m good to go!” But you really also should have a fine point sharpie, calipers, a key gauge, and a small hand file. Not the end of the world to need that other stuff but better to know ahead of time 🤣

[@norlin76]

Good tips!

[@lockpickingindependentant-2919]

Ovviamente bisogna avere le dime di ogni cilindro , oppure il nucleo interno alla camera con i perni originali..

[@MagiqFingersShorts]

need is a strong word, different cutting tech stops most the issues he had

[@willyfromthehillies]

Seems like a quick fix would be cut your plastic guides down to spec a file then you have a pretty good little cheap key cutter. Take the money you save on "cut by number" cutting system and apply to the Locktech decoder camera.

[@norlin76]

Oh for sure! Just have to modify them a little...been a while, thought I had mentioned that. These were tested as is off the printer though.

[@JonLock]

Super cool to see a test run on the SC1... The v1.1's are out like you mentioned, and I should get them later this week from the printer, I'm fairly sure the problems have been fixed. Basically the key should be able to slide into the jig but the spacing on the bottom is just too tight between the rail and the back edge of the key.... this means the back of the key isn't perfectly aligned to the jig and causing a depth problem on the cut. You could take a razor blade and cut the "rail" off of the bottom of the jig and just hold the key tight to the back of the jig and it should cut perfectly... just means that there is a chance it could wobble in the jig while trying to cut, so you just have to hold it together on that axis as well... Appreciate you doing a video, and of course it's an iterative process and I'm looking forward to continuing to improve them 🙂

[@norlin76]

I was surprised when the key worked after cutting the 3 cuts one step deeper...it was tight, so some of the other cuts were a bit high, but it worked (could be due to pin wear though, I'd have to try the v1.1 on a lock with fresh pins in it to ensure accuracy)

[@gailuhl]

I used your jigs for a SC1 key this weekend with excellent results. Thanks

[@gailuhl]

I tried to reply to Jon but …

[@JonLock]

@@gailuhl awesome.... thanks for the feedback!

[@PocketWomen]

Awesome little jigs you have come up with and with the various testers you will be able to refine these to a very useful addition to the locksporter who doesn't have a key machine. Are you considering doing ones for the Aussie Lw5 and Lw4 key that would be the C4 profile. Cheers

[@Mia-kc5wj]

Let’s go to 1000 subscribers 👍

[@norlin76]

That's the ultimate goal :)

[@derek5653]

Where do I print up the specifications guide for the Lishi Cutter? This is such an easier way to cut a key than impressioning.

[@norlin76]

What do you mean by "specifications guide"? The files for the different specific lock models available are in the video description links, but if you mean key depth guides, that will depend on the lock you're trying to cut a key for.

[@lockpickingindependentant-2919]

Dove acquistare le dime?

[@norlin76]

From the link in the description of the video

[@kenzura87]

I would like to find guides for cars. Do you know where I can find?

[@norlin76]

@kenzura87 no clue, these were made by a hobbyist, you'd need to find someone that did that. Car locks are generally not very interesting for hobby pickers, so I don't think you'll find such a thing.

[@kenzura87]

I understand friend thank you very much for your answer, I will have to make my own guides

[@ExoticAltima]

Hey, I was just wondering that can you get guiding blocks for car key cutting or is it just home keys?

[@norlin76]

Jon Lock has made a lot of different guides, but none for car keys to my knowledge. You'd need to make/get some for the specific car key type.

[@ken_9359]

I was thinking with a set of depth keys there will be no use for the guide.

[@norlin76]

Not really. Depth keys are great on a key duplicating machine. Perhaps if you had some other sort of jig to keep the depth key aligned with the blank in the key cutter that would work as well, the main part is you need to keep them lined up, which is where these guides come into play, they're a depth key and jig all in one.

[@reviewguru5457]

Very cool it never amazes me when I see the 300iq thinkers in the community

[@norlin76]

Appreciate you checking the video out, glad you enjoyed!

[@Pyrolock]

I found these quite difficult to use and I could not get them to cut a key that worked. I would suggest making them longer, at least over the bow of the key so you CAN HOLD THEM. Most certainly the KW1 sets were way off and cut way to deep. Some improvements needed here to make them somewhat useful -- nice try, but no Cigar on first go around

[@JonLock]

That’s super valuable feedback, Thanks Ken! I’ve had several people give me positive feedback on the KW1 and certified the depth cuts are good - so it’s great to hear a counter example - any details you can share on how they were printed (ie orientation, material, print settings, printer?) I can use all of that info to update the thingiverse listing to help people avoid unsuccessful prints. I also appreciate the idea of making them longer, or somewhat easier to hold. I definitely tried to keep them minimally small for easy/fast printing, but I don’t want to prioritize that over usability, so it gives me a lot to think about!

[@norlin76]

Nice feedback!

[@Pyrolock]

@@JonLock I have emailed you about the 3D printing details -- Thanks -- Ken

[@lockolot6704]

Great video🤙🏻 do you think a resin printer would’ve worked better for this?

[@JonLock]

I’d be thrilled to have someone test this and send feedback - theoretically you’d get a very high resolution print, which can only help with the accuracy of the depth cuts … but the million dollar question is if the resin prints will be strong enough … I mean theoretically there is no force applied to the jig, no sheer pressure or anything, but there are a lot of forces at play on the key and some of that has to transfer to the jig on the cut, so will the resin print be too brittle to handle that? Only testing will tell.

[@norlin76]

I can give resin a go, there are many ways to have it print plenty strong (thinking mix of Siraya Tech, 4 parts Fast, and 1 part Tenacious would work excellent). I don't think the additional accuracy is all that important, there is a lot of tolerance in a C keyway given there is 0.015" between cuts.

[@lockolot6704]

@@norlin76 sweet. Kinda forgot about how the integrity of resin would hold up.

[@proxlock6526]

Love how they took my idea and made it a little different, but then they almost copy all they way to make them exactly like mine. Way to go to the developer 😂😂

[@norlin76]

Ah they do look quite similar! I personally was only familiar with the ones from DeviantOllam but am sure there are many more out there as well. Might be a case of "there's only so many shapes a lockpick can be" rather than a blatant copy, but only Jon Lock would know.

[@proxlock6526]

@@norlin76 They started around 7-8 months ago, and i was told about it. Saw them okey, they made them different, I liked how they started. Now that I got told again, I see they just started to look like mine. I been 3-4 years working on them on and off theres lots of improvements to be made. The only good thing I can say is that they made the files free for everyone.

[@proxlock6526]

Want to try one of my models, shoot me a massage...

[@Le_Furret]

Besicaly.. it doesnt work as intended. But it will enventually

[@norlin76]

Yah, just needs some fine tuning

[@bjsonbartolome3633]

we i can buy this guide tools?

[@norlin76]

The download link is in the description, you'd need someone with a 3d printer to print them for you. There are online services that do this as well you can search for.

[@DoctorHogmaster]

Cool, I was wondering about these. I bought the set from red team tools and it also isn’t quite perfect, but does work if you know the trick. Have you tried putting depth and space keys in there to see if everything looks like you would expect?

[@JonLock]

I have the v1.1 for all five of my different keyways in the mail from my printer. I will do a video on each one and verify the depth and spacing on a key decoder card and with space and depth keys (for all that I have)… video will probably be out in the next week or two, keep yours eyes out for that one :). Also later today I am going to put out my first DD pick - thank you so much for all that you’ve done for Locksport in the DD area, truly inspiring and one of my next focus areas for the next several months!

[@DoctorHogmaster]

@@JonLock Thanks, I’ll be sure to check it out! But I think you might have me confused for HuxleyPig, the famous DD guy. 😋

[@norlin76]

I was going to print the 1.1 and do a follow up video, but I'll just link your video in the description of this one (and a pop up card during the video) once your video comes out

[@JonLock]

@@norlin76 cool!

[@jamesbp]

Do you have any vendors, or sellers on ebay you'd recommend?

[@norlin76]

I'm assuming you mean for the Lishi Key Cutter? I got mine off Aliexpress, but they do show up on a search for "Lishi Key Cutter" on Amazon and eBay

[@jamesbp]

@@norlin76 I should've specified! Ik this is off topic to the video. I have a long list of sellers on ebay and I frequent their pages for locks, so I was wondering if you had any really good sellers or websites for high security locks? It's hard to find quality locks in the USA if you ask me!

[@norlin76]

@@jamesbp I buy most of my locks in the Lockpickers United Discord server #lock-bazaar channel (can get to it via Reddit r/lockpicking). But if I have to resort to eBay, I recommend amvgaert, thelocksnest, vinylwonder, and locksportsman. (Can put myself on that list, though I never buy from myself, norlin76)

[@jamesbp]

@@norlin76 wow thank you! I'm familiar with a few of those sellers already Deff gonna check the rest out. Although I'm not familiar with discord servers but heard so much about them, you've sparked my interest and I will look into it. Update: I just checked out your ebay turns out I already have you saved and am currently watching several of your listings 👍

[@norlin76]

@@jamesbp can't recommend Discord enough, it's the only place you'll find the really hard to find locks

[@jackshett]

Worn nozzle plus PETG is asking for the dimensional accuracy to be a little off. Sounds like you want to at least re-tune your slicer profile.

[@norlin76]

Yah, might have been a little off, but not enough to make a difference when tested against the results Jon got...looking forward to the next version (this one works fine too if you just file the base of the guide a little until you get the right height, only has to be done once per jig)

[@AbdoulnasserSouley-wh1kv]

Hi where Can i buy this guide printed ?

[@norlin76]

The link to the files is in the description. Once you have those, you have to just find a 3d printing service in your country.

[@richardr788]

Confused website

[@PUJARTIAGO77]

Where can I buy one of those kits??

[@norlin76]

The link to the files is in the description. The cutter itself, Google "Lishi Key Cutter" as it'll depend on what country you are in.

[@skaareefsidhu3350]

So nice tools sir👌price

[@norlin76]

Thanks!

[@joseluisalonsoavalos4795]

Precio de las gias

[@norlin76]

I didn't buy them, they are free, you just have to be able to print them. The link is in the description of the video to get the files for free.

[@jasonvaughan5128]

Just use the key to be copied instead as a template. ??

[@norlin76]

This is for when you have to code generate a key, ie. you do not have the key, such as when you rekey your lock.

[@sigmaman5562]

When the key turned, but was stiff, you should have examined the bitting from above. The pins which are marking will make a dimple in the key at the bottom of the cut. Pins which do not mark do not need deepening. This saved me some copies in the beginning, before I got my key machine adjusted properly. I used an Ilco Mighty-Mite, do not buy these!

[@norlin76]

Yah, it's the same principle that applies to when impressioning in a key. In this video I was just doing a quick run through and didn't much care about wasting a key :) But great advise!

[@Cabal2600]

Want to bypass a lock,get a lockpick.... It would save you time....

[@norlin76]

Ummm, have you watched any of my other videos? This is a review, it's for key duplication...not for bypass, not for picking, for key duplication...

[@michaellangley3417]

You are over complicating this.. Vise them together and cut out the pattern no printing or guides required.

[@norlin76]

That doesn't exactly work when you don't have a key to copy. The point of these is to cut a key to code from scratch, eg. you repin a lock and need a matching key.