Labour Apologise To Panorama Antisemitism 'Whistleblowers'

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[@jamesdouble07]

I think Corbyn should counter sue.

[@jamesdouble07]

@@NikoHL I agree that's when he was Labour leader things could change now he's not.

[@Jack-xg1kg]

@@NikoHL Christ, if only he had. It's one of things I found most frustrating about his leadership - he was ever the dove and not enough the lion. As the then most prominent leader of the left he should have defended far more vigorously and decisively. HIs opponents were, unjustly, accusing him of persecuting them anyway, he may as well have actually done it and reaped the rewards from doing so.

[@TedThomasTT]

You can't appease people who want to destroy you.

[@lamueldagon7618]

Exactly

[@fredatlas4396]

Norman finkelstein, watch the video about Labour Party not anti semitic

[@lindylou538]

They'll just want more and more after this.

[@ianangier]

@@lamueldagon7618 0o

[@ep4360]

This was a very bad decision by Sir Keir Starmer, how dare he misuse party members funds on settling when Labour were going to win.

[@111LisaMac]

#IStandWithJeremyCorbyn

[@jrphartley]

I ended my membership yesterday. I have been hanging on for NEC elections, but now the corruption of the party is so all encompassing that i have no faith in party organisation and refuse to stay and pay bad faith actors who actively worked against Corbyns labour on my dollar. Now dedicating my time and money to Scottish independence despite having voted against same in last indie ref.

[@freyasouth7791]

Rudy Guiliani used to be a lawyer too...

[@samcunningham1202]

@@mpj12345 Tbf Rudy was known for his human rights work, including fighting to stop the death penalty in the Caribbean - though a suppose anything more substantive than "lawyer bad;Corbyn good" would be beyond your pin-headed compre-fucking-hension

[@Rogue_Leader]

Sam Cunningham you’re defending Giuliani on a left-wing channel and all you have is insults. Stroll.

[@Jack-xg1kg]

@@samcunningham1202 Or perhaps it's a rebuttal to all those who are praising Starmer based on his 'lawyerly manner' and 'forensic' questioning. I believe it is referred to in the video. Context is important. Perhaps some thought might be beneficial next time - it might save you from looking a bit stupid again.

[@DrRiq]

@@samcunningham1202 who hurt you?

[@marktucker208]

Really good video. I too hope they take Corbyn to court because one way or another I’d love a truly impartial person to make a judgement on this. Also so infuriating how the Labour leaks report has been ignored by the media, you’d have thought it would be a big story, that some journalists wanting to make a name for themselves might dig into it but nothing. I find it bizarre, I don’t really want to believe that the media, Starmer & those inside the party are not playing fair but it’s very hard to not come to that conclusion.

[@tuuudes3449]

They're trying to flip the script. The Panorama investigation was a ploy by politically motivated Labour members to try and smear the leader of their party because he was in a different faction of Labour than they were. And the recent report on the Labour leaks was a real act of whistleblowing that exposed corruption and sabotage from those very same Labour members who appeared on the Panorama investigation. But the news media has portrayed these two events as the opposite of what they really were. If you follow people like Laura Kuenssberg, you'd wrongly believe that the Panorama investigation was a courageous act of whistleblowing that exposed corruption, and that the report on the Labour leaks was a politically motivated ploy to hurt the current leader of the party. It's disgusting, but for people who don't know any better, it's really compelling, because it allows them to selectively ignore evidence that doesn't fit the narrative, or to dismiss it as politically motivated.

[@fredatlas4396]

@@tuuudes3449 you might like to watch Norman Finkelstein video explaining that the Labour Party is not anti semitic. I just vote Labour, as I don't want the tories running the country, and destroying it along with millions of people's lives. I'm not very happy with Keir at the moment, and I supported Jeremy Corbyn. But what can you do, I think it's more about voting for what you don't want ie tory policies. So I'm voting for the lesser of two evils. I was disappointed with tony blair, I thought they could have done much more considering they had a large majority and long enough in government. They could have given unions back some more power, and increased workers rights, also they could have started re nationalising water, energy and the railways. And put the minimum wage up a bit higher

[@jodders619]

If I sat on my hands in my job as this guy seems to have done I'd be sacked not given a massive pay out. Seems it's just expedient to dish out hush money to make the situation go away.

[@kjones6941]

i've already left the labour party, i just can't cope with another 40 years fighting your own party and the tories.

[@breadcrumbtv]

Novaramedia, michael #legend Brilliant show & such depth of content. Love how Michael’s face lights up when he knows it’s content gold. The Russia debate was SO enlightening. Awesome 🙏🏼

[@lightningslim]

Not just a whitewash but a nice bit of bunce for the traitors. (So called "Whistle-blowers")

[@fredatlas4396]

And the brexiteer traitors up north in the so called red wall area's

[@lamueldagon7618]

Michael your always so good at breaking it down,thank God for our sanity you exist.

[@danpatterson7108]

We need more journalism like this! It's time we were fighting back hard and grouping together. The right wing have their claws on everything these days. it's time to do something real in the fight back to them!

[@teresasteele5327]

It's simply corrupt, and we need to expose it for what it is. How dare they behave like this. Beyond belief.

[@yourgirlme9163]

Starmer led the Crown Prosecution service and now he leads the Labour party. How did that happen?

[@9birdstyle]

Mr Starmer's intentions, allegiances and integrity have always been questionable in my mind, this along with the handling of RLB and backing away from recent manifesto commitments now cements my opinion of him. I will joining the Green Party as a holding position until something better and more representative emerges

[@tubthump]

Excellent prog, the article by Schlosberg was excellent too.

[@jackjones2848]

A bad day for the party.

[@bluegold21]

Vampires like soft skin. They will return.

[@AtheistEve]

I don’t know what to do; my membership is due for renewal :( I’ve generally thought I ought to give it another year to at least be able to vote for socialist people and policies. But it irks me to bolster Starmer’s numbers in any small way.

[@PaulCarr1]

I liked this, but I can't watch it as my blood pressure can't take it.

[@ohmm3625]

It's good to hear this but it makes me sad. The choice here is getting similar to the one they've now got in the states

[@DavePotts]

The states have a choice between a clapped out geriatric or a clapped vulgar oaf of a geriatric, not much of a choice

[@wanderingsteve849]

Labour are showing appalling cowadice how can they represent the working class when they are so afraid of a fight!

[@underworldent4817]

rewarding the liars.

[@graemenicholls2836]

still haven't seen any evidence

[@dazpatreg]

Take to the streets, people, the neoliberal machine won't ever let you win in their game, Colston had his edifice removed by direct action not through representative processes

[@jondazeishere]

Why’s father Ted in the thumbnail. ‘So I heard your a racist Father’

[@EmmaLemmon]

@Deano Wints 😂 thank you i needed that

[@markmooch]

Wasn’t the rebuttal that the Labour party office was to under equipped to deal with the number of anti-Semitism complaints and so were overwhelmed to the point of slowing things down?

[@yourgirlme9163]

Why isn't this geezer doing his job instead of grandstanding. Get some in

[@yourgirlme9163]

Which documentary?

[@charlesnorton3312]

I would like the whistleblowers to donate the monies to good causes,how about it

[@fredhead8335]

Ggod, whats that phrase that Im trying to remember...hmmm...ah...DIRTY TRICKS. Yes, yes thats it.

[@semajekrad6922]

I'm leaving.

[@semajekrad6922]

After the NEC elections

[@rustyjames1900]

Snakes in the grass Peace family

[@Mike-ib6pd]

Your hard work is commendable but frustratingly naive and ultimately isn't changing a single thing. 1000s of labour supporters clinging to a rat infested burning ship. Swim to shore and start building again. This ship is screwed and you are literally helping noone by fighting over who gets control of a shipwreck. We all loved what Labour once did. This isn't Labour, this is wreckage with a Labour name plate on it. STOP fighting over wreckage, start creating something that helps people who are suffering right NOW!

[@liamcastles2102]

Big slithery Starmer the snake

[@tnsocialist1257]

FFs....

[@frankieashworth6942]

Not saying labour wouldn't have lost the case, is there any argument for doing settlements in order to avoid media bs. Reporting isn't fair, just it might make sense in terms of avoiding scrutiny from the press

[@emilymorton6510]

Labour had been advised (when JC was LOTO) that they had a strong chance of winning the case

[@frankieashworth6942]

@@emilymorton6510 yeah ik my point was, considering how bad of a look fighting the case is to an outsider It might have been the smarter move to settle it. There's talks of more cases having to be settled so I'm not sure

[@richardcashley5856]

People whom you can not criticise are the ones that own you

[@Fopenplop]

this is neo-nazi gibberish, and doesn't bear out historically. i can see how american antisemites might fall for slogans like this, but in the UK, where the Christian ruling class hardly does a thing to hide itself, repeating this idea is unforgivable stupidity.

[@Fopenplop]

before someone gets butthurt about me calling a nazi a nazi, this is a paraphrasing of a quote of white nationalist holocaust denier Kevin Alfred Strom

[@TheQeltar]

@@Fopenplop You are totally right to call that out as a nazi talking point.

[@ABiggles]

Here we go again. The right are on the ropes and imploding and what does the left do? Pulls itself apart with internal wrangling and, continuing the boxing analogy, will let them off the ropes.

[@rawmarshrewilder8199]

Leave Labour and join the Workers Party of Great Britain

[@kattkatt744]

Shilling for a National Bolshevist party, no thank you.

[@StefanTravis]

One day, someone might cite an instance of Corbyn saying something anti-semitic. But it's been months, and so far...nothing.

[@DavePotts]

Be careful of what you say here, you may get sue taken to the cleaners

[@kostaspanagiotopoulos3373]

I really can't understand this antisemitism thing about the Labor Party. Is it a historical problem of the British society whose colonial roots gave ground to all kinds of systematically ideologized racism? Is it a labour party thing that has to do with the FACT that Israel is a colonial type apartheid State, at least from the time it begun settlements in the Palestinian lands, and so it is only logical that people on the left are against the state of Israel policies? And why is that anti-Semitism. There are many people that criticize the far right state of Israel of using the "antisemitism" statement whenever it gets criticized and guess what, it is completely true and it also makes sense as a strategy since they want to cover all their antiarab-antipalestinian sentiments and policies. And that is also the statement of the isreali Left of the country, who are almost as equally if not worse persecuted by their own state. I believe that apart from Holocaust denialism and any type of racist stereotypes against Jews anything else is just misleading to label as anti-Semitism, cause that is the cover of the nationalist state of Israel,and any nationalist state, in that it wants to present that a Jewish identity and the isreali state are one and the same, which they aren't. Let's not play that game anymore.

[@BadedasTheBlue]

Can you PLEASE stop shouting into your microphone? You don't need to sit so close to it, you don't need it to be immediately in front of you. Move it 45 degrees to one side so you're talking across the pickup, not into it directly, and sit back from it. It would make your videos so much easier to sit through.

[@KingCoercion]

I feel like you have an over-romanticised view of how court trials actually work. Taking something to court is not a sure-fire way of getting justice. It's often more akin to a die-roll. Sure, the purpose of taking something to court is so that you can put all the evidence down in front of a randomised jury of laymen who can place their verdict on what they see, but to say that this invariably leads to justice is a non-sequitur. Often, it just leads to more money spent, more time and more distress for all involved. I have to say I really did not think of him settling as a simple political move to protect his donors, largely as the move appeared at least to be in keeping with his previous rhetoric of stamping out anti-Semitism. This felt more like a empathic response to the whistle-blowers to give them some peace over a situation which had already been drawn out. I do however find it interesting that Starmer is alienating his left base, which apparently you do when you attempt to root out anti-Semitism. It doesn't seem like a winning strategy long term, as the right is already solidified with the Tories and the middle ground is somewhat missing-in-action.

[@JonathanSwiftUK]

It's a side issue, it's settled (literally), it's over. The more important thing is whether there is still anti-Semitism, anti-gay, misogyny, racism, etc, in Labour. We should not be allowing any of that to go unchallenged. It was clear Corbyn wasn't on top of this, ultimately he has to accept responsibility. New leadership should mean a new drive to stamp it out. Also, this stupid petty bickering between left and right in Labour has to stop - these people are damaging any possibility of Labour winning when we next go to the polls - hopefully next year. Mistakes have been made and now is the time we should be putting them right. Take a deep breath, then move on, picking at old wounds isn't clever.

[@kattkatt744]

You say the bickering must stop, you do realise there are people that have surrounded and to some extent still is part of the group around Kier Stamer that activly tried to make sure Labour candidates they didn't like lost to Tories, and that these people celebrated when that exact thing happend. I would think that is way more damaging to labour winning than much else.

[@jrphartley]

Well, your lot had five years of it, peddling lies. I think we lefties can have at least an equal period revealing the truth.

[@JonathanSwiftUK]

@@kattkatt744 the bickering is coming from both sides, acknowledged, it is childish and pathetic, and I don't believe either side represents the majority of Labour supporters, so those people on either side should consider themselves warned, if we lose next time, those small groups will be blamed. We need to get our act together and present good common policies that benefit the country; that requires people to compromise and work as one team. It's not about the agitators on each side, it's about the whole Labour party, putting the wellbeing of the whole country center stage.

[@JonathanSwiftUK]

@@jrphartley last time I checked I was very, very left. But to win requires compromise to our ideals - some lefties don't get that, or are just intransigent. I voted for Corbyn, he was a breath of fresh air, I really believed in him, but his anti-Semitism credentials suffered as he failed to fix the problem, and his Brexit stance cost us the election. If you don't win, you don't have much impact on the welfare of the country. The free broadband ploy was ridiculous. As a very lefty I approve, but it wasn't practical and pragmatic. As for this case, it's over, finished. I may not like the decision but bellyaching won't change that. Take from a man in his later years who was a perfectionist, but learned to be a pragmatist.

[@jrphartley]

Starmer pushed the 2nd Brexit referendum. Corbyn doesn't have to accept responsibility for the nefariouness of others, and to suggest he should is absurd. I must sound younger than I am (54) judging by your reply.