Labour Debate: Was Jeremy Corbyn to blame for the election defeat?

[@DividedKingdom]

RLB looks like she's about the host the weakest link

[@acidsunrise]

Calamity or shes about to pull a pint at the local Irish club.

[@pepepinochetshelicoptertou2696]

Calamity Rebeca Wrong-Daily is the weakest link.

[@Vodaph0ne]

GOODBYE!!

[@AndyP959]

Wouldn't even give it a pity shag.....

[@Vodaph0ne]

@@AndyP959 Who?

[@thomas1j]

How come the electorate know why labour are unelectable yet the Labour Party are clueless as to why.

[@jimabram8635]

i thomas I believe they are in denial even now. People like these contenders are quite simply out to force their own beliefs on the country. They have no desire to carry out the instructions of the people

[@thelwulfeoforlic6482]

i thomas - for the same reason Dr Who is dying, because THEY know best and we the people NEED to be educated

[@acidsunrise]

Because they are blinded by their own virtue signalling

[@AdamNigelDark]

They don't listen they tell and dictate. Your views and mine don't matter to them only their views count in their world.

[@bluesclues132]

Ostrich party

[@richardsmith9038]

Yes, move Labour to the North; they're really into intersectional feminism in Wigan!

[@mjleonard46]

She's not even from Wigan she's from bury

[@konigstiger3252]

Wtf is intersectional

[@hankeast7270]

@@mjleonard46 she's a Bury whopper 🤣

[@JAMAICADOCK]

Way to go, patronizing Northerners That's why the North will soon reject the Tories again.

[@hankeast7270]

@@JAMAICADOCK lol not likely, Labour have still got a long way to fall

[@TheWhiteJimi]

Jeremy Corbyn shouldn't be blamed, he should be thanked for the election defeat

[@sunseeker9581]

Only if youre in the top 1%.

[@patmccarron8956]

Forza Juve Or thick

[@sunseeker9581]

@Callum most of them wont benefit. Its their large donors who benefit.

[@pepepinochetshelicoptertou2696]

Kier Starmer authored the Brexit policy that destroyed Corbyn - then Kier Starmer runs for leadership...

[@frazerhardstaffwinstanley3006]

I know right, he is so thoughtful hahaha

[@br-zf7zi]

Kier Starmer is the boringest human being of all time

[@edmundoftheangles7977]

Truth!

[@Dominate955]

Why is he even a sir?

[@walesdoesntsuck6635]

@@Dominate955 He led the CPS

[@redemrys5342]

No Jacob Rees-Mogg is

[@walesdoesntsuck6635]

@@redemrys5342 Keep telling yourself that communist

[@danbernstein4694]

It's not right versus left, its England versus London

[@TheKratoKiller]

Most of the people that live in London aren't even from the UK so

[@acidsunrise]

...and Londons paying.

[@bruceli9094]

Western Civ vs Marxism.

[@TeaPea111]

They’re so so far disconnected from normal people in the really world 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@scottwoodsatayephonerepair879]

Tom Parsons come on! the knight of the realm there, represents the people!

[@rossg9361]

No self awareness. No honesty. Labour is finished. Sad. ☹️

[@QueenJneeuQ]

@@Craig121000 Is this a joke post? Conservatives have massively cut disability benefits.

[@msumode4493]

This aged well. :P

[@dan13770]

​@@msumode4493bingo 😂

[@WedgeOfSpite]

Indeed./s

[@danemsha]

the voters didnt understand what we were saying,my god will the labour party ever learn.

[@pepepinochetshelicoptertou2696]

danemsha No because they fundamentally look at the world through narratives.

[@Jupiter1423]

Power hungry losers always believe the voters are wrong. Thats the exact reason they NEVER deserve power.

[@paullawrence4986]

Ye, its all everybody’s else’s fault🤣😂 please keep up the good work, wouldn’t surprise me if they brought comrade Corbyn back.🤣😂

[@babycharliebrown]

Three turkeys fighting to be in charge for Christmas ...

[@blackphoenix8932]

That probably sounded smarter in your head.

[@bluesclues132]

@@blackphoenix8932 not so dumb now is it?

[@blackphoenix8932]

@@bluesclues132 How so?

[@bluesclues132]

@@blackphoenix8932 because what happened today would have happened with any of these morons in charge .

[@dansimpson4854]

Pretty good christmas for the turkeys this year

[@scratchthesurface3138]

Hahaha ohh keep em comin😂Labour are going to be out of power for decades with these lot.

[@leftc6373]

Don't be so sure! People said conservatives would never come back back in 2015. There's still hope Labour can come back!

[@lisachrister9990]

@@leftc6373 That is true....but Tories move the agenda and leadership when necessary.

[@cornovii3012]

@@lisachrister9990 Labour moved the agenda so many times even they didn't know what it was.

[@polaris7122]

@@leftc6373 Dream on!!!

[@bluesclues132]

@@leftc6373 😂

[@Busher50]

Lisa's answer was spot on!

[@Truth_Seeker_UK]

Hahahahahaha oh the delusion

[@ciaranmarsh255]

@@Truth_Seeker_UK there’s no delusion

[@michaelsargeant5923]

After watching this I don't think I'll ever have another Labour government in my lifetime happy days

[@sunseeker9581]

In your dreams. Boris wont last after the economy starts to tank. Especially when his orange friend is kicked out of the white house.

[@ancietman]

@@sunseeker9581 The only way Labour will win next election is if Boris goes back on his 2019 election promises. Labour haven't won an election since 2005 yet Labour still plod on with the same old ideas and same old faces.

[@1800astra]

Labour Leadership candidates: Three baldies fighting over a comb.

[@dirtydawg448]

Jeremy The Conqueror - that’s being a bit unfair on the comb really - a comb can at least be useful!

[@ivorbiggun710]

It's good to see that Sky managed to find seats for every one of Labour's voters.

[@peterreynolds6711]

I am 61 I will never see a labour gov again

[@TheZackkary1]

Must be a pretty good feeling 😎

[@AlexAlex-vn2dz]

I’m 31 I will never see a Labour gov again

[@peterg957]

The Looney Party...

[@Locutus]

Don't compare the Monster Raving Looney Party to Labour. MLRP are nothing like Labour. It's not fair on the MLRP for them to be associated with Labour.

[@thejfoshow1320]

Yes, actually tackling the problems of the 21st century, ‘looney’ 😒

[@AndrewDawsonBrown]

Starmer sounds like Dale Winton

[@judewestburner]

Rebecca Wrong-Daily is just... Wow!!! Like how does she think the crap she thinks?!?!?!

[@GyitMulhaneski-GloriousYears]

Still not as bad as Nando's.

[@ivorbiggun710]

I always think her face is too small for her head. Maybe that has something to do with it.

[@MrSandancer]

The Labour Party will never know why they lost. Nobody can tell them why because they have made it virtually illegal due to political correctness.

[@craigpearson7578]

Best stand up comedy I've seen for years

[@timmo491]

Starmer genuiny sounds as though he is being assaulted with a vibrator.

[@ritchuk]

Sorry but Kier Starmer sounds like a cross between Dale Winton and Zippy from Rainbow.

[@toubriconoolakash5595]

ROFL! That's a brilliantly witty comparison - made my day!

[@icdgyixify]

A bit harsh on Zippy!

[@stevenpaulgoulding]

Sir Keir Starmer sounds like a potential prime minister.

[@ritchuk]

@@stevenpaulgoulding 🤣😆🤣😆🤣

[@mountaingoat1805]

On the doorstep they said, hmmmm, how many doorsteps in normal towns and city's do these people ever really step up to and talk to the general public about the things we think and want??

[@faithpaige1530]

They're both adorable. Too cuddly to be world leaders. Imagine these two women in a meeting with MBS or Putin...😒

[@frederickmagill9454]

Talking to a programmed Marxist audience.

[@gazzaboo8461]

Yeah, I noticed the trained seals clapping too.

[@Truth_Seeker_UK]

@Red Baron - Says the group think collectivist sheep

[@konor12]

Jack R is my b!tch Hard to have polite discussions with people who still haven’t figured out how to be decent human beings. As it goes, arguing for a fairer society is much stronger and aggressive than not wanting to pay anymore tax.

[@GetToDaChoppa-k5r]

I think Brexit screwed over Labour and Corbyn was too soft and didn't stick to his principles.

[@1951GL]

Rebecca Long-Bailey effectively describes Labour as coming second and the Conservatives as nearly last. Intellectual dishonesty, lack of candour totally at odds with reality.

[@poolieboy6403]

Lol as a Tory it’s fantastic to see 3 unelectable clowns like these on offer as an alternative to our current radical but brilliant Government

[@strangelee4400]

Labours 'centre' is just to the left of Mao.

[@ricardobarahona3939]

strange lee Looks like Blairism never existed then.

[@CanadianMonarchist]

That made me laugh.

[@kasegiyabu5030]

3 traitors who crippled the UK's negotiating team, by refusing them the option of saying "no deal". Labour is in real trouble, if this is the best they have.

[@BedsitBob]

Transformative Manifesto. As in, it would transform the UK into a financial basket case?

[@tomd5678]

A) Don't say stupid things B) Don't say stupid things C) Don't say stupid things. Ordinary people aren't really that left wing. Ordinary people don't all work for the government or have secure private sector jobs. Labour lost the 2010 elections because of the Global financial crisis. Labour lost the 2015 election because they refused to defend themselves against the charge that they were responsible for the global financial crisis (because they hated Blair/Brown). And also Milliband was a weak leader brought in to change the election rules to give Len McCluskey control over the leadership. Labour lost the 2017 election due to overtly incompetent leadership. Labour lost the 2019 election due to overtly incompetent leadership again. Labour will probably lose the next 2 or 3 elections because the general population think of them as out of touch and incompetent. Labour cannot assume that they will win any elections simply because the Tories become hated. It does not work that way. They must inspire confidence into ordinary people that Labour can make their lives better. BUT - they must NOT say or do stupid things

[@artfuldodger9312]

If this is the best, they have, we can rejoice in the knowledge that the Labour Party will be out of power for the foreseeable future, which is music to my ears. They have learned absolutely nothing, and that will always be the case.

[@ricardobarahona3939]

Artful Dodger Corporatism rocks 🎸

[@leonardpattison2816]

Shadow Brexit Leader takes responsibility for Brexit Policy. Very Noble.

[@raymondadams7570]

it didn't matter what your views on brexit was, it was your duty to uphold the vote

[@67Parsifal]

That’s, frankly, like expecting Nelson Mandela to ‘get behind’ apartheid: a stupid, evil idea, just like Brexit.

[@Brian-rx9sp]

Yes. Next question.

[@chrismcparland5274]

The Labour manifesto was not “transformative” it was “pie-in-the-sky”. Not one of these three would make the party electable.

[@muhammaduddin9268]

If Boris was the leader of labour he would kick asses easily on anyone in history of leaders.

[@dirtydawg448]

Jesus - these are really the best that Labour has to offer - last one out turn the lights off!

[@kirrithkovacs5097]

6:25 open borders and free movement, and calling anyone who doesn't like it a 'racist little englander'.

[@jackbeswick4662]

Literally didn't say anything like that.

[@jackbeswick4662]

Literally didn't say that at all.

[@kirrithkovacs5097]

Yes she has.

[@kirrithkovacs5097]

and she called northerners too thick to understand Labour big policy words, and lied her involvement in flogging off parts of the NHS as her being some 'warrior' in defending it. Labour are now out and out comedy.

[@jackbeswick4662]

@@kirrithkovacs5097 She said nothing about open borders or free movement or "racist little Englander". She was talking about the manifesto and Labour's policies working in other countries. Which they do, it's just a fact. She also didn't "call northerners thick", she was making the point that there was too much stuff in the manifesto for voters to get a clear vision from it.

[@cenburry2811]

I disagree Brexit was the primary cause of the loss

[@AdamNigelDark]

Just one of many causes I think, a strong cause but not the only cause by far.

[@richardlloyd2589]

With that level of defeat there is plenty of blame to be spread around. However much of the party seem intent on denying there was anything wrong. Well, apart from the “stupid” voters.

[@quick46]

voters are stupid, as the covid crisis & Tory corruption over PPE has shown

[@MrBananaSlice]

i really hope the guy on the left loses

[@s13hgp]

3 Stoogies..... FFS is this the face of Labour today? RIP Labour

[@stevenpaulgoulding]

Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak became the Three Stooges.

[@encinobalboa]

People don't want "radical, transformative, disruptive" leaders.

[@psychominded3243]

Of course he is to blame, just not him solely though, McDonnell, Naz Shah, Hillary Ben, Abbott, Lammy, Cooper just to name a few.

[@kennethmaley2443]

Don't forget they open borders policy voted for at last year's labour conference.

[@quick46]

Absolutely tragic Long-Bailey didnt win that Leadership contest

[@stevenpaulgoulding]

Absolutely fortunate Rebecca Long-Bailey didn’t win the Labour Leadership election.

[@quick46]

@@stevenpaulgoulding bollocks

[@mjleonard46]

Labour turned there back on the working class after the miner's strike and the pits were shut down. That was the start of the death of this country's manufacturing industry

[@michaelharrison3602]

Labour are no longer anythings like Kier Hardy's Labour representative committee it's now a bunch of wealthy upper middle class privately educated career politicians whose main interests are their bank balances and their positions in the hierarchy they want to get into number ten because it's more money

[@CanadianMonarchist]

British manufacturing had been been in decline for years before 1984.

[@stevenpaulgoulding]

@@CanadianMonarchistDue to bad management and Marxist militant firebrand union leaders.

[@TheRealist2022]

Lisa Nandy says she doesn't want to move Labour to the centre, but what she fails to realise, is that the last time Labour were successful, they WERE more central under Blair.

[@JamJam0189]

Now she serves as a minister despite finishing 3rd she serves under New New Labour Starmer, she was playing to the audience here.

[@judewestburner]

Jeremy Corbyn shouldn't be blamed... to the point he should be left as the leader indefinitely. Forever.

[@TomBartram-b1c]

This is like 1983 and 1987 when it was the Falklands War's fault, nothing to do wiv us, honest mate.

[@singingphysics9416]

Nandy is the most convincing

[@spearmint47]

The guilty one there is S I R Starmer with his rabid anti Brexit rhetoric. Thats what cost Labour the gig.

[@paulcroxton6047]

Labour..are not the same party, as my great grandfather voted for back before ww2 etc...NOW they are full of patronising, stuck up, hypocrites, that HATE the working class,...I had a Labour councillor call my wife and me RiffRaff...I shouted we come from good hardworking, honest family, and we work hard for what we have...she was Smirking, till I said I'm making a complaint to Corbyn, but guess what...he did nothing to remove her....so I tell everyone what she is like and should be voted out

[@kevbrav]

Mass immigration is also one of the big issues. Not sure why it wasn't brought up today.

[@proton4835]

Because they don't care about the big issues this country faces, only small issues that are decreasing their personal income.

[@justmadeit2]

Vote Nandy, shes the best looking of them all! Keir Starker reminds me of a Tony Blair type

[@GyitMulhaneski-GloriousYears]

Sorry. No Nando's for me mate. Keir might at least be more pacifist than Blair (don't think me naive).

[@bruceli9094]

So..they havent learnt anything.

[@allandickman774]

Deflects non answers Hypocrits they really are numpties never learned anything from the worst result for a lifetime

[@ArranLaPaul]

Obviously he did. Socialism will never be voted for in the UK as we have brains.

[@nevg2067]

Nice swerve... Stalin was the brexit secretary!

[@corpsebride843]

Vote Rebecca in, she’s as bad as Corbyn so labour won’t stand a chance

[@stevenpaulgoulding]

We prefer Sir Keir Starmer.

[@chopjockey]

Who cares?

[@marcwareham9351]

The problem with building a fairer society is that it involves stealing more money from people who’ve earned it.

[@konor12]

Yep let’s keep the capitalism train going. More poverty!

[@adamsimmons631]

So they still don’t know?

[@halflifeproductionz]

I love these lunatics, great for comedy.

[@stevenpaulgoulding]

Boris Johnson, Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak.

[@Frank75288]

no it was keir starmer and emily thornebury....grooming gangs had something to do with it as well

[@stevenpaulgoulding]

There were no evidence Sir Keir Starmer tried to block the prosecution of Muslim grooming gangs to prevent Islamophobia.

[@babycharliebrown]

Mad eyed Kier...👀 if he's the front runner?!..

[@garystokes6407]

I think Diane Abbott would b a great leader

[@malcolmr9340]

They still don't get it...

[@giggino843]

The girl in the middle was the only one who had a bit of a clear idea of what is going on.

[@dingdong289]

They STILL don't get it. All three continue to try and ride two horses for fear of 'momentum' power !!

[@deanburnett2636]

Too late the damage has already been done !!

[@andrewsutherland133]

"I would like to move labour to the north" I'm American so sorry if I'm I'll informed but wouldn't it be wise to move labour past the north. I understand if it was a big loss of reliable locations but if they really wanted to retake parliament, I doubt they can do it by relying on the north and Wales. The whole reason they lost the north in the first place was because people in that area wanted to get brexit done more than the long negotiations that had gone nowhere and the Tories used that as a way to get them on board. Basically what I'm saying is the labors dont need to be Boris Johnson, but they need to understand the people and communicate to them in a way that appeals to them

[@1chish]

Well said Sir. Their problem is that Labour is run by North London champagne socialist virtue signalling idiots talking to each other and no one else. The 'Northern Labour voters were OK with Blair but turned against Brown. So Labour shifted left and they rejected Milliband. So Labour shifted further left and Corbyn was too much for even die hard lifetime working class Labour voters. He was defeated in 2017 despite the worst Tory election campaign ever and slaughtered by the positive 'can do' Tory messages in 2019. Labour treated Brexiteers with abuse, disdain and disrespect forgetting millions of them were Labour voters. Never insult your core vote.

[@gavinbissell8847]

When they say the north they mean north of London.

[@1chish]

@@gavinbissell8847 But still within the M25. Don't lets get too ambitious ....Lol

[@SinnedNogara]

@@1chish Corbyn won more seats than Miliband in 2017

[@1chish]

@@SinnedNogara He did. But was still well beaten as the Tories got 20% more seats. Corbyn only won 4 more seats than Brown did in 2010 and he had the decency to resign. As did Milliband.

[@mickmorrison]

Labour were against Brexit and that is why the people didn’t vote for Labour, the same applies to the Liberals. Scotland was different as the people voted for the Independence Party SNP. If Scotland becomes independent and then holds a referendum on returning to the EU I believe the Scottish electorate will vote against the EU.

[@TheKratoKiller]

SNP isnt even an independence party they're a pro EU one

[@IssacharGR]

Too woke...too globalist...too unrealistic...too in denial

[@isnitjustkit]

globalist, what?

[@1chish]

Lisa Nandy is the best choice because she is real and understands where the faultlines are. Sadly (for Labour) and Happily (for the Tories) Starmer will be elected and yet another champagne Socialist, North London, Metropolitan, remainer will lead Labour. That will go down well with the new Tory ex-Labour voters won't it?

[@Max-ek3kf]

nandy is awful too

[@dirksmith896]

They are all useless

[@davytornado9772]

If Starmer is chosen, he wont hold the job all the way through till the next G E. His massive ego will get him the boot. And rightly so...too.

[@1chish]

@@davytornado9772 Hah very true .... Either way the Tories are in power for another 10 years.

[@lisachrister9990]

Nandy and her obsession with gender politics and mass immigration will ensure a Tory government in for the future........the worst part is yes, she's the best candidate

[@Scott_M]

Nandy: “I don’t want to move Labour to the centre. I think people see the need for fundamental, radical change in this country” 😂 Yes we seen the need for fundamental, radical change in this country that we made sure that the Tories got their biggest majority since the Thatcher days! We voted for our democracy and to ensure that those of us that work hard aren’t having our hard earned money taken off us and given to the work shy and lazy! God bless the Tories and god bless the U.K.! 🇬🇧

[@BigAL0074]

"given to the work shy and lazy!" don't forget the sick and disabled, bigot.

[@thatsmrtwattoyou]

@@BigAL0074 Get a dictionary, the last time I checked, work shy and lazy does not mean disabled or sick. My wife is disabled and I don't think that there's anything wrong in that statement.

[@lisachrister9990]

Fact is they are nutjobs, talking to other nutjobs who have a say not to the wider electorate. Fact is the country does want fundamental change....that's why they voted Brexit and that's why Tories offered it. These people have to be intelligent enough to know what's wrong, but if they say it their DOOMED as far as Labour membership votes go.

[@TheKratoKiller]

Labour are done, Conservatives will be in power for the next 10 years! Thank god the UK hasn't gone mad

[@quick46]

this has aged well

[@MrDuffnote]

Jeremy Corbin represents the working man as he had a very posh upbringing etc so does this mean he is behaving like a hypocrite.

[@thegowerboy]

Some people never understand the word democracy.

[@garyshepherd9367]

Have they learnt nothing?

[@fouronesix8294]

Arrogance can be very blinding

[@giovannipala6336]

Oh good grief. Listen to them. They just don’t get it di they? They’re blaming everyone but themselves.

[@lostinpa-dadenduro7555]

Still can’t figure it out huh? 🤣

[@friendlysperg1372]

Are any politicians, Labour or Tory, ever going to talk about demographics?

[@icdgyixify]

Yeah, that always goes down well in Barnsley!

[@ThePierre58]

tory voter here, lisa nandy is the only one who worries me, the other two would guarantee 8 years of Boris... bring on keir starmer!

[@davytornado9772]

I agree Pierre She's the only one with a shred of humility. That fn snake Starmer turns my stomach.

[@vashna3799]

Well Corbyn yes, but Abbot too was a big reason, the dithering on Brexit, the open door immigration policy, the pro-Muslim leanings, the anti-white English agenda, the alienation towards the working class.

[@monitorcomputersystemsltd2375]

Lisa Nandy does not want to move to the centre. She wants to stay far left and she just lost my vote.

[@michaelschiffmann]

For once, RLB cut it. It's incredible how stupid many of the comments here are. I agree, though, with those that say the 2016 referendum results should have been honored. On the forefront of those pushing for not doing so was Mr. Starmer.

[@davytornado9772]

Absolutely.. Starmer lost it for Labour.

[@jjs3287]

Correct, but they still dont want to admit it.

[@darrenwbd01]

Nobody was worried about open boarders.....dont talk about it ay

[@theboulder3355]

So basically RLB just said we were all too stupid to see... good luck

[@chrisjenkins3067]

There where 3 problems why they lost corbyn , abbot and Khan.

[@fessellsahmed2587]

Under Labour PM troops sent to Iraq, Afghnaistan. Bombing Syria and Libya destroyed. No one said Islamaphobic yet all three candidates talked about anti semitism. We live in a strange world.

[@paultaylor4647]

They are bloody clueless (ex Labour voter).

[@grahamcole4240]

I don't believe that anti semitism had anything to do with the result, the majority of Labour voters wouldn't have thought about it. It was Brexit that cost Labour the election.

[@BedsitBob]

The phases "sensible economic polices" and "the European Union" don't belong in the same sentence.

[@onlyme6479]

And now look at RLB

[@chirushetty24]

Rebecca Long-Bailey is delusional.

[@kirrithkovacs5097]

5:05 as opposed to everything that voluntarily came out of his mouth.

[@Irishtradchannel]

Corbyn's Strasserite position was always going to alienate most voters.

[@bigmacattack7747]

Lol Strasserite, if only.

[@benjaminsidneykidd-bentley3966]

Yes