UK general election: Sunak and Starmer clash over borders, tax and gender in TV debate | BBC News

[@Adam-mo6gf]

Restore trust in politics? What a stupid question. They always ask such irrelevant questions when the country is dying.

[@Me-ui1zy]

Yeah, there is no answer for that question even if it is something that they intend to do

[@MrMbdies]

3:14 Kier Starmer: "If you listened to people and the audiences around the country more often you might not be out of touch..." Whilst Rishi was looking to me like a big vulture waiting for it's prey to die.

[@nameunavailable-gp3ot]

​@simulationkoyo decentralisation when

[@justicerules1373]

Brits and Americans are similar. We both hate the government but yet they refuse to die. We keep seeing these liars time after time.

[@RogerMellie-yk3gw]

Dying? Don't be a snob. It's not Sudan. Life is peachy here.

[@samdog166]

They didn’t clash over immigration. They mostly agreed and deflected. The small boats are a red herring.

[@partyringsparty]

Spot on

[@RogerMellie-yk3gw]

💯 agreed

[@samdog166]

@@Bailiol I only dismiss the issues of the small boat immigration as a red herring. When compared to immigration as a whole. I am personally a fan of national populism. I can fully see where you’re coming from on everything though. Think maybe you read my comment from the wrong angle? Agree with you mostly. Perhaps our end goals are different though?

[@zansabilhudaianggara1652]

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said: اِنَّ الَّذِيْنَ كَفَرُوْا سَوَآءٌ عَلَيْهِمْ ءَاَنْذَرْتَهُمْ اَمْ لَمْ تُنْذِرْهُمْ لَا يُؤْمِنُوْنَ "Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe." (QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 6) خَتَمَ اللّٰهُ عَلٰى قُلُوْبِهِمْ وَعَلٰى سَمْعِهِمْ ۗ وَعَلٰىۤ اَبْصَا رِهِمْ غِشَاوَةٌ وَّلَهُمْ عَذَا بٌ عَظِيْمٌ "Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment." (QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 7) وَمِنَ النَّا سِ مَنْ يَّقُوْلُ اٰمَنَّا بِا للّٰهِ وَبِا لْيَوْمِ الْاٰ خِرِ وَمَا هُمْ بِمُؤْمِنِيْنَ  "And of the people are some who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day," but they are not believers." (QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 8) يُخٰدِعُوْنَ اللّٰهَ وَا لَّذِيْنَ اٰمَنُوْا  ۚ وَمَا يَخْدَعُوْنَ اِلَّاۤ اَنْفُسَهُمْ وَمَا يَشْعُرُوْنَ  "They [think to] deceive Allah and those who believe, but they deceive not except themselves and perceive [it] not." (QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 9) فِيْ قُلُوْبِهِمْ مَّرَضٌ ۙ فَزَا دَهُمُ اللّٰهُ مَرَضًا ۚ وَلَهُمْ عَذَا بٌ اَلِيْمٌ ۙ بِۢمَا كَا نُوْا يَكْذِبُوْنَ "In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie." (QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 10) وَاِ ذَا قِيْلَ لَهُمْ لَا تُفْسِدُوْا فِى الْاَ رْضِ ۙ قَا لُوْاۤ اِنَّمَا نَحْنُ مُصْلِحُوْنَ "And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."" (QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 11) اَ لَاۤ اِنَّهُمْ هُمُ الْمُفْسِدُوْنَ وَلٰـكِنْ لَّا يَشْعُرُوْنَ "Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not." (QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 12) Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said: وَاِ ذَا قِيْلَ لَهُمْ اٰمِنُوْا كَمَاۤ اٰمَنَ النَّا سُ قَا لُوْاۤ اَنُؤْمِنُ كَمَاۤ اٰمَنَ السُّفَهَآءُ ۗ اَ لَاۤ اِنَّهُمْ هُمُ السُّفَهَآءُ وَلٰـكِنْ لَّا يَعْلَمُوْنَ "And when it is said to them, "Believe as the people have believed," they say, "Should we believe as the foolish have believed?" Unquestionably, it is they who are the foolish, but they know [it] not." (QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 13)

[@samdog166]

@@zansabilhudaianggara1652 I’m always saying that too. Wonder who said it first out of me and him

[@charlesreynolds7407]

This country is doomed with these two.

[@AnthonyD-yy2in]

Heard of the "fight or flight" response ? Save Britain.. anyway you can.. 😉

[@georget6179]

Probably be fine, actually

[@petergreenwood7731]

Farage --- a vote that gets rid of the usa crap Start cooperation as the new world order unfolds Stop picking up the usa soap, and their desperate hold on primacy The "axes of evil" are wanting western participation BRICS+ Is continued defiance against reality accelerating the UK downfall BRICS+ do not care about ideals, religion, or trade conditions. Nations can evolve at their own pace. Better than thou no longer works in the new world order Western entitled affluence has met an adversary. A more just world where might can no longer exploit. Do sanctions and stealing money not resonate desperation? Are threats and demonetization hollow? Do western pious ideals have a nefarious history, one that BRICS+ is offering a different, more just future. 10 nations + 59 on deck. A trade bloc that promotes share wealth more equitably. BRI --- Create markets -- A Chinese initiative Join --- help shape it Why - why - why can't the west cofuckingopperate. Its all there for a better future for the planet and everyfucking thing on it. China has got the ball rolling, joining can help shape its progress. Where are we now? Fighting over turf and resources. BRIICS+ can put it into a more equitable share - it is possible/

[@adamwalkington6361]

@simulationkoyo Labour took us to war twice and sold all our gold

[@Bedmoments]

That’s why people are voting Reform.

[@kcl4364]

Two supermarket managers arguing over rearranging the tinned food aisle

[@henriquemota7341]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jimmycricket5366]

My vote would've been for the 'brown-led' Tory party... but I would've made a bad choice.

[@original_arabian]

😂😂

[@Brian-om2hh]

The absolute highlight for me, was Mr Robert Blackstone standing up and asking " are you two *really* the best the nation has to offer as a Prime Minister?" Bravo Mr Blackstone, bravo. Britain truly deserves better than this. We need Proportional Representation asap......

[@Angel-j8e]

I laughed when he said this, probably the best question ever and the truth..

[@timbob1627]

Pair of clowns, unfortunately it really is not funny😢😢😢

[@timbob1627]

Come into politics to serve, Serve those people we as a party will not allow to pick their own local candidates😂😂😂kier Starmer 😂😂😂sunak😂😂😂

[@jonathanbower863]

Not a useful question at all. They are the leaders and we have to make the best choice.

[@timbob1627]

@@jonathanbower863 exactly, a choice between two almost identical perspectives, the system is rigged, which is why almost 45% of eligible voters will not bother...Western democracy😭😭😭

[@MAHMED-s6h]

Sunak failed to stop a single boat. Starmer has no clue. We are doomed.

[@24yrukdesigner]

We don't HAVE to have either. Only those who vote liblabcon can be ans will be held accountable.

[@iainsearles6299]

Dads Army. Captain Fraser. i think?

[@GearChangeGreg]

THEN VOTE REFORM UK

[@maxdamagusbroski]

@@GearChangeGreg Peter Hitchens is right, vote anyone who has the best chance in your constituency, to keep Labour out.

[@royspilsbury]

Vote Reform uk End of chat

[@RoxanneLavender]

Considering that Reform UK has overtaken the Conservatives, why weren't Reform UK included in the debates, or this programme?

[@F1Schu]

Cause the bbc are government lackies and do what they are told and the government don't want Nigel in power..... corruption at its finest just like channel 4 getting an actor to pretend to be a member of reform UK and say racist shit to smear the reform campaign....nice try but I'm still voting 🇬🇧 Reform

[@jimbob5144]

It's because Reform haven't overtaken the Conservatives. They only have in some polls but vast majority still show Conservatives as ahead of Reform and it is also because Conservatives is the current government and Sunak is trying to defend it from the Opposition, it's how it's always worked.

[@nectarinedreams7208]

@@jimbob5144 Shhh! Let them enjoy their conspiracy theory!

[@alexandercampbell6034]

I didn't read any conspiracy in the first comment, reform will be at least be the 3rd largest party so surely they should be involved.

[@sonofsomerset1695]

Who wouldnt vote Reform, their contract is amazing, way lower taxes than these two theives, cheaper energy and fuel, and bring our borders back that will reduce pressure on all our services, join the Reform rebels instead of a tribal voting pawn for the corrupt establishment parties!

[@biglongun]

Starmer looked like he was going to cry at times, Sunak is completely inept. Lord help us

[@jhickman4735]

Vote REFORM then..

[@csharpe5787]

@@jhickman4735 Nigel Farage is just as responsible for the mess this country is in as the conservatives are!He whipped the Tories up, so David Cameron had no option then to give a Brexit referendum, which was always going to be a disaster.

[@claudiaxander]

Churchill, famously, would cry at the drop of a hat, your point being?

[@hartleyhare99]

His wretched white hating face starmer😢

[@RogerMellie-yk3gw]

​@@jhickman4735nah. Too racist

[@cun7us]

An ex-lawyer vs an ex-banker. It doesn't get much worse than that.

[@MagicNash89]

This has no real bearing on what Stamer is going to do or how as history has shown all too well.

[@chloegrobler4275]

wasn't he a human rights lawyer?

[@consultant2678]

Neither party represents the citizens!

[@Uno-1968]

They never have done really . Follow the money 💷

[@PrinceYamiUchihaCosplay]

@consultant2678 and Reform does? What about their manifesto that will get rid of equal right and human rights especially for the LGBTQA+ community, how does that represent the citizens?

[@consultant2678]

@@PrinceYamiUchihaCosplay that’s not true ! Give me a break another ridiculous comment. Just like the fake news reporting by Channel 4 with their hired actor pretending to be a Reform rep!

[@consultant2678]

@@PrinceYamiUchihaCosplay You should join Ch 4 they also like lying making up nonsense!

[@PrinceYamiUchihaCosplay]

@consultant2678 All I'm saying is that if you read Reform's manifesto, it states that they'll get rid of diversity and equality as well as get rid of human rights, basically I wanna know is how it benefits every citizen if Reform goes into power especially if a lot of the UK citizens are LGBTQA+ and how their equal rights and human rights are potentially at risk of being stripped away, that's all I wanna know

[@Spar217]

Why weren’t the other party leaders invited to this TV debate?

[@alynwillams4297]

These are the two that are favourites to win

[@Spar217]

@@alynwillams4297because of our poor voting system that is in desperate need of reform. What a choice out of those two parties! It’s predicted that Sunak is set to lose his seat. I think it’s more a case that the BBC don’t want to give Farage any airtime. They’ve already had to apologise to him over remarks they made about him. So much for what is supposedly meant to be an impartial organisation!

[@alynwillams4297]

@@Spar217 I’m from Wales and I won’t be voting for reform. Infact they don’t stand a chance in Wales or Scotland. However, I agree with you about the political system in the UK and it’s definitely time for it to be reformed.

[@dianebradford7769]

Good question? The reality is neither Starmer or Sunak will debate with Nigel Ferage. Reform are polling ahead of the cons so he should be able to. He'd wipe the floor with them. After listening to Nigel speak so well these past weeks without notes, with facts dates and figures flying from his mouth I can see why they are running scared of debating with Nigel Ferage 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@dominicchallis2928]

@@Spar217Why did I know just by your question that your concern isn’t actually about smaller parties and minority opinions being aired democratically, it’s about giving the snake oil salesman in chief even more airtime after he has deliberately made you poorer in front of your eyes for the past 8 years.

[@garymacpherson1535]

Dumb and Dumber

[@jambudvipi]

Starmer would be dumber

[@barukkazhad8998]

Oh no ...they aren't dumb ,they are criminal traitors

[@Cherrytune386]

Describes Sunak and Farage perfectly

[@christinafalla5762]

😂😂

[@RogerMellie-yk3gw]

Yep. Lol. Cu ntan dcu nter

[@kevinduffin4665]

Why didn't the presenter pull up the tories about the lies he been saying about Labour taxes when he put them 26 times highest

[@lcg8220]

Also why did she keep interrupting Starmer but not Sunak, or call him up on repeatedly saying Starmer wasn't answering a question he had literally just answered seconds before.

[@R-11034]

It’s the BBC! Like Kuensberg and Bruce their presenters are biased in favour of the Tories every time.

[@simon-df9wh]

Because the BBC support the conservatives, most people that work in the BBC support the conservatives, and they will never change, the debate was a farce, she had no control, and this is the best the BBC can do, shame shame...

[@MikeyAlterRed]

@@R-11034 Ridiculously so! I used to think their bias was quite subtle, but in this campaign it's be blatant and unapologetic! Appalling!

[@gitgudgaming506]

@@lcg8220 You labour voters keep making excuses. The truth is Starmer is actually not capable of being a PM, couldn't answer simple questions and I have not heard more than maybe 2 clear policies he will introduce.

[@zzzpip]

vote Reform UK don't believe the BBC or the media, vote with the people.a vote for reform is a vote for reform.

[@suminshizzles6951]

That nutjob will just make matters worse. He wants to lower taxes for crying out loud. In a time when we are the lowest in the G20 for corporation tax @%25. He wants 90 billion in cuts. What bones does he cut cos the meat was slashed off by the cons 10 years ago. There are no more or next to no more "efficiency" cuts to be made. The roads are full of potholes, NHS waiting lists of weeks and months. Taxes need to be raised, not lowered. And it is the corporations that will need to pul their weight as they have been allowed to rip us off for two years now

[@PrinceYamiUchihaCosplay]

@zzzpip so basically, we should vote to go back to the 1950s so that only white heterosexuals can get rights, and anyone who isn't heterosexual can get sod all?

[@sebastiannosurname3669]

I never heard so empty and boring debates

[@York22]

It would be nice too see both of them lose their seats.

[@lloydjones7925]

Where do I vote for this :)

[@York22]

@@lloydjones7925 sadly unless your in their constituency you can’t vote for them

[@lloydjones7925]

@@York22 Thanks sadly I do know that you are right. I suppose I am questioning the need for a different system The sad reality is our vote in fact matters very little and how much it matters varies a lot depending on your constituency. My constituency at least up until now has been a safe seat. My vote for any party over the last 20 years or so has not mattered even once at a general election.

[@Dmoriarty1993]

@@lloydjones7925 kzbin.info/www/bejne/sIWukGiOr5uLbrs&ab_channel=JuanAbercrombie Proportional representation

[@abz5627]

14 years in power, and Sunak still waffling lies.

[@speedboostr]

I don’t blame conservatives I blame brexit

[@alexroach6000]

@@speedboostrthe current conservatives are made up of pro brexiters, other than returning cameron (who actually caused the disaster) almost all the cabinet were brexit supporters

[@Uno-1968]

​​😮@@speedboostr......Ffs , that's line is getting boring now .

[@braindonor8753]

They are brexit ​@@speedboostr

[@braindonor8753]

​@Uno-1968 it will never get boring for me.. I can't escape this shit hole

[@roni2977]

It's a sad country if those two are the best we can get!

[@سالمالحجازى-و7غ]

just vote for other people then

[@seb_gibbs]

Voting Nigel Farage kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6faZauVlJtjZ5I

[@YEYE030]

These two don’t have to be our only 2 options if we don’t want to. Urge people to vote for the policies that align their values and needs. Neither deserve your vote!

[@MrGoodpairofshoes]

Tax & Gender in the same sentence how about that what a time we live in

[@partyringsparty]

Persecution of individuals in a free country is a very big issue.

[@RogerMellie-yk3gw]

​@@partyringspartyit isn't, because it doesn't happen. Virtue signalling is an issue, though

[@VacantIsland]

@@RogerMellie-yk3gw As a trans person, it very much does happen. Within the LGBT community, we're the most targeted group for physical and sexual harrassment and violence. I've personally been targeted on several occasions, I've been harrassed on the street, I've had people throw rocks at me, I've had people scream slurs, and a group of people threatened to stab me. And that's in a relatively tolerant university town. Trans women specifically are the most likely group of people to be sexually assaulted / raped. From 2022 to 2023 in England alone hate crime against trans people rose by 11%.

[@RogerMellie-yk3gw]

@@VacantIsland hate crime is a subjective term. Everything is considered a hate crime these days. And it seems strange that someone would throw rocks at you. What were the circumstances there? Concerning sexual assault, it's much more likely for it to happen to a teenage female, than to a man that identifies as a women. For obvious reasons. There's nothing wrong with being trans, but it isn't part if the LGB community. They concern sexuality, not identity. Two different things. No need to group them together.

[@VacantIsland]

@@RogerMellie-yk3gw "Hate crime is a subjective term," sure. Lets leave out that term then, and just consider violent crime, sexual assault, and property vandalism. Trans people are stll over 4 times more likely to experience one of these crimes than cis people. You're also wrong about sexual assault being more likely for cis women than trans women. Look at almost any source, and they'd tell you that trans women are actually significantly more likely to be sexually assaulted or harrassed. Over half of trans people have experienced sexual harrassment or assault at some point in ther lives. You say there's nothing wrong with being trans, yet you also said that trans women are "men than identify as women" and that it "isn't part of the 'LGB' community" because "they concern sexuality, not identity." So I think you're just trying to convince yourself that you think there's nothing wrong with it, when clearly everything you've just said indicates that you don't.

[@hobodarkness7696]

I want more transparency in the British government

[@Vaguepaperchasing]

Yeah, I want a pet unicorn too…

[@N.E.L.L]

Yes but, think; due to enemies, a country probably has to choose between confidentiality or public loyalty, balancing both is hard , m8.

[@nameunavailable-gp3ot]

​@@N.E.L.Ltransparency isn't a step by step guide to.our enemies , we can be transparent with how moneys spent without giving away military secrets mate

[@RogerMellie-yk3gw]

Don't hold your breath. Lol. Governments don't do transparency

[@Reprogrammed_By_SEGA]

@@RogerMellie-yk3gw The more open our democracy has become the more easily it has become manipulated by foreign powers. Someone once said democracy will destroy itself.

[@gabrieljones4866]

If Voting made a bloody difference it would be illegal. Politicians should be of service and actually 'serve' not win power. Ridiculous nonsense

[@swn-rg2qg]

it's not true. Collective votes counts.

[@gerge9238]

Ok Russel Brand... oh wait he changed his mind on that...

[@danmorley6517]

That's what the Tories want you to believe, you've been suckered in to the idea they are all the same.

[@desmondkurtz1936]

Voting WAS illegal for the most of Britain’s history you dunce!

[@guff9567]

​@@swn-rg2qg"collective"? You sound all commie like

[@jonprice3342]

I'd love to know why immigration and migration has suddenly become a big issue. For years they've allowed people to come into this country, not speak a word of English, taking jobs away from the Brits and allowing them free reign to commit carnage on our soil. For me, it's too late to start talking about borders. Our country has already changed to accomodate other culture's at the the sacrifice of British tradition and its values.

[@pevebe]

It's beyond the tipping point, people are finally having enough that they're willing to take the labels on the chin to sort it

[@luhamlulu1210]

Impossible

[@denzela5539]

Had it coming

[@JackRalp96]

Vote reform. Screw the two main parties that have destroyed this country for 30 years straight.

[@francisonyige9618]

I realized that the secret to making a million is saving for a better investment. I always tell myself you don't need that new Maserati or that vacation just yet. That mindset helped me make more money investing. For example last year I invested 80k in stocks and made about $246k,but guess what? I put it all back and traded again and now I am rounding up close to a million

[@steliosmormoris1]

You work for 42yrs to have $2m in your retirement, Meanwhile some people are putting just $20k in a meme coin for just few months and now they are multi millionaires. I pray that anyone who reads this will be successful in life

[@annelie718]

Thanks to Mrs Maria Davis.

[@annelie718]

She's a licensed broker here in the states

[@saniusman5830]

I'm surprised that this name is being mentioned here, I stumbled upon one of her clients testimony on CNBC news last week.

[@kelvinolad3382]

After I raised up to 450k trading with her I bought a new House and a car here in the states 🇺🇸🇺🇸also paid for my son's surgery (Oscar). Glory to God.shalom..

[@KellyNjoku-qz5gv]

Why’s the Conservative Party continuously talks about cutting taxes when taxes has actually been going up under their watch but they keep accusing labour of wanting to raise taxes? I don’t really get this Can someone explain better please 🙏🏽

[@Prickupyourears]

We had a global pandemic and an energy crisis. Do you want starving families or tax increases ?

[@roseanncampbell3168]

The Tories are narcissistic every thing they do or have done they project onto the credible opposition, hence the constant accusations by the Tories towards labour about tax rises

[@maxdamagusbroski]

Because Labour are the party of bloated public sector (tax funded jobs), and Tories are the party of lower tax, less government. As proven by their income tax threshold introduced that freed people from paying tax on the first £12000 they earn a year.

[@joancooley1387]

@@maxdamagusbroski. You’re having a laugh.

[@joancooley1387]

It’s gob smacking. Sunak spews a Load of Old Cobblers and people actually swallow it. Then if he needs to press a point, his knees start knocking.

[@pessi6185]

Oh look, it's another snorefest between the 2 cheeks of the British Establishment & the BBC calls this Democracy 😂 What a 🤡 Show!

[@jemerlia]

Keir Starmer is shaping up to be the Tory PM the establishment wanted for over a decade. Poverty will remain, hope will be extinguished, policies masked by provoking Russia.

[@neilproctor5163]

Vote Reform

[@BrazenBull91]

​@neilproctor5163 why?

[@poolplayerpoolplayer7430]

Exactly love how the pretend how the are different from one another

[@deejohn1659]

@@BrazenBull91 Because we need a change. The kind of change that is coming very soon in the French Elections. Just wait and watch.

[@Dan-zs8pk]

Net migration being so high is responsible for literally every issue we have. Filling up our schools. Roads. Houses Nhs and welfare system. So now we get tax rises to pay for them all!!!!

[@patrickbateman1660]

It's not. Conservatives got in power, cut spending, cut growth and that's why everything sucks.

[@davidfoster2006]

When a politician says it’s is all fully costed you are being gaslighted, no government policy has ever come in on budget.

[@tabularasa7775]

Do you know what gaslighted even means ?

[@annawildsville]

Yeah, Sunak was allowed again to just talk over everyone.

[@mickeythompson9537]

Yep. BBC cooing that this was Sunak being "aggressive" - nope, that was just Sunak being an arrogant public school brat.

[@duncanbradshaw8993]

Watching 2 losers slagging it out with irrelivent policies was boring. If Nige was there, it would have been worth watching.

[@peterwinter4060]

Sunaks final. Statement was don't surrender Britain to Labour. People only surrender when they are entirely beaten. And oh boy are we beaten by 14 years of Tory rule.

[@Brian-om2hh]

If you think it's bad now, then give it 12 Months......

[@gitgudgaming506]

Nothing will change with Labour either.

[@hardergamer]

@@Brian-om2hh

[@77jamess]

@@gitgudgaming506And this is the mindset that has kept the tories in power for so many years. Such an asinine viewpoint.

[@yatch989]

Both parties allow unchecked immigration. Deportation is very very slow . No clear figures how many deported

[@leetech49]

Both these idiots shouldn't he allowed to even contemplate on running this country. VOTE REFORM safe Britian from distater if Labour win we in big trouble. SUNAK wont win anyway

[@cp5589]

I can not stand conservatives and always supported labour, but Keir starmer is a joke and so is labour at the moment. Don’t like Sunak but he’s showed starmer up consistently

[@Eatprepd]

Whatever you do dont vote cons now 😂

[@cp5589]

REFORM NOW HAS MT VOTE FROM TODAY ONWARDS NO MORE VOTING LABOUR FOR ME

[@holdmusic_]

@@cp5589 100%! The most disgusting and stupid people in society will vote Reform - you should too!

[@asotochallengeus]

Am I the only one sick of those empty debates? There is no answer to most of the questions. It is scary to see they are our only options. No leadership always commeting on others mistakes rather than bring a plan to show better.

[@lepetitchat123]

PMQs are a stupid waste of time too. Western democracy is a joke.

[@rokketron]

Nigel should have been in the debate. He would've livened it up and injected a bit of sense.

[@patrickbateman1660]

Lib dems are predicted to get triple of the seats of reform. Why invite forage?

[@soufatldude700]

I'd definitely thought I'd voted Labour, but keir starmer is an absolute buffoon and I don't want another conservative government

[@kane3282]

Then your Vote has to be Reform at this point. These talking heads are owned by people that don't give a crap about us. Last chance I think.

[@thehousepreacher3982]

I recently migrated here legally, and Im trying to get to grips with British politics. I dont know how much you agree with my assessments so far; Mr. Sunak on the other hand, seems to be taking the heat for his predecessors' failures. He doesn't sound like a dishonest fast talker that most politicians are. I thought he would have made a decent prime minister in any other election year apart from this one. Mr Starmer quickly buckles in debates, he hasn't been at his sharpest in convincing an electorate that seems ready to give him the office. Im told Mr. Farage is not contesting in this one, but as I listened to him, he raises pertinent points on immigration. He honestly doesn't sound xenophobic to me, but wants to wants to address the very reasons why Brexit happened. At least he has given citizens the right to talk about immigration without fear of being labelled racist or xenophobic. He is sounding like the man with the plan right now.

[@samantharuscoe7918]

VOTE REFORM AND ALL OF US CAN UNITE AND BE WEALTHIER, HAPPIER, SAFER AND GIVE US AND OUR CHILDREN A CHANCE OF A GOOD CHANCE AT LIVING A HAPPY LIFE. IF NOT START READING SHARIA LAW AND STAY ON A 48 HOUR A AND E WAITING LIST

[@alynwillams4297]

There just another posh boy party. They don’t stand a chance in Wales or Scotland

[@Apexbossman]

​@@alynwillams4297 they're not they are a working person's party I'd say they're like an old labour party mixed in with conservatism

[@alynwillams4297]

@@Apexbossman Farage went to a private school and is a millionaire? His party is backed by millionaires and rich businesses. Why should I believe he’s any different? Bar immigration, what else do his party offer that is realistically achievable?

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@alynwillams4297 Exactly.....

[@Apexbossman]

@@alynwillams4297 well what he is saying resonates with alot of working people up and down the country they all went to private school so pick the best of the bunch

[@willharris2278]

This is now a state of emergency. Your country needs you to do your duty and vote REFORM. Say no to the 2 party political merry go round of corruption, lies and broken promises.

[@PrinceYamiUchihaCosplay]

@@willharris2278 so we should all vote for a party who wants to get rid of equality and human rights for people who aren't heterosexual?

[@Fractal379]

"Clash over genders" - that's all you need to know, Global South. There you go, free of charge. The Future!

[@ExcessumGaming]

That made me face palm.... wtf cares. We got bigger problems.

[@formulaic78]

@@ExcessumGaming I agree that there's much bigger problems on a day to day basis (pot holes for instance) but the gender issue is huge because it represents the difference between objective reality (there are 2 sexes, a minute number of DSD [Differences in Sex Development] people, and some people who have gender dysphoria) vs ideological beliefs ("some people are born into the wrong gender"). This is enlightenment rationality (the scientific method) vs the emperors new clothes. Most people simply aren't aware of the fundamental importance of this subject because they haven't read enough or have just believed the propaganda coming from the "be kind" brigade.

[@yeahbutytho126]

There are 3 genders and always has been. Honestly, I was shocked to learn it. But it is true.

[@TheRoxJones]

@@yeahbutytho126yeah you’re absolutely tapped. Don’t vote please.

[@formulaic78]

@@yeahbutytho126 there could be a hundred genders, and some claim there are, but what matters in the public conversation of how to deal with the tension between people whose gender identity matches the opposite sex, is sex.

[@naseemkad]

Britain needs a PM who actually cares about Britain and its subjects and wants the position to serve the British people as a priority.

[@specialkgb1980]

It just seems terrible this country is voting in Starmer. Slimey Wiesel that he is. Sunak is exactly the same. Whatever we vote. It’s going to be awful

[@wildandbarefoot]

Sunak has followed the BigLie tactic. He was called Liar to his face. Starmer is so straight he's a bore.

[@lostavatar3985]

Where are the leaders in this debate? Did the bbc forget to invite them?

[@XyZCwP]

Absolute clowns get them out vote reform

[@richardfranklin9313]

Well Said. Vote Reform

[@anni730]

Seems to be clowns every where. In our toilets and in politics.

[@duncanbradshaw8993]

Vote Reform and save Britain.

[@BloodMoonASMR]

Get rid of First to Post, it's one step up from a dictatorship.

[@utopia3161]

Starmer moaning about sunaks ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. He wants to open the FLOOOOG GATES. F F SAKE

[@mangojango2055]

Which one of the 2 WEF candidates will you support?

[@rachaelhogan7850]

Not Mr, Calcutta

[@seb_gibbs]

Neither, go reform: Nigel Farage: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6faZauVlJtjZ5I

[@ecksearoh6283]

"Are you two really the best we've got to be the next prime minister of our great country?" ---Robert Blackstock

[@mazaribeiro]

It's hard to decide which one of the two is the worse for the UK...

[@seb_gibbs]

Vote for Reform instead. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6faZauVlJtjZ5I

[@learninggenos1763]

Vote Reform!! Save this country.

[@TraderdayScalp-e9u]

That's all it is a system run by clowns

[@ggunga7764]

Simple : Oxbridge has clearly failed British politics!

[@lllPlatinumlll]

Just the video please, none of your 'journalism' thanks. Brown Broadcasting Commission

[@yatch989]

Deportation by force need to be done. Who will do it ?

[@RobertBrown-de6cw]

What we learned was neither will do anything about immigration Sunak thinks it a good idea to take benefits from the disabled because he knows better than GPS

[@PrinceYamiUchihaCosplay]

I did read about how Sunak was to strip disabled people of their benefits and to get them into work, I get ADP for my ADHD and Autism as those are my disabilities and it has affected me in looking and applying for any type of job in the real world to the point that I've been declared legally unfit for work so I have to be on Universal Credit for the rest of my life all because of the circumstances I have, even if I'm trying to figure out a way to find a side hustle that won't impact my benefits but I have zero luck

[@Iazzaboyce]

We all know the correct answer is Nigel Farage....

[@christhompson4170]

They won’t debate Farage because he would embarrass them both, neither of them have had one debate with him.

[@dicklebilly3115]

Why debate an idiot like farage - a failed idiot at that 🤷

[@tothepointreviews9675]

Because his party isn’t the second biggest party

[@christhompson4170]

@@tothepointreviews9675 I think it probably is and if not it’s very close, even when they had the debates with the other parties they sent there minions instead, it’s obvious they don’t want to debate him and that reason is because he would show them up. Farage actually has some charisma unlike cardboard man and mr slippery.

[@smunro1983]

He shot himself in the foot when he touched a nerve with Russia. So close to an election and you should know in your bones people are looking to dig dirt up on you. Foreign affairs should be a no fly zone and he should have said nothing.

[@tothepointreviews9675]

@@christhompson4170 it’s not close. Farage doesn’t have enough people who are running for reform around the country. Agree with you about his charisma though

[@1ForTheShieldz]

They should have faced nigel. They looked cowardly and squirmy. Nigel wasn’t even there but he clearly won 😂 ill never vote labour again, my mind is now made up. Reform.

[@aidan-h3p]

Every day a return to feudalism looks brighter and brighter

[@jaydenozmyer8819]

Why are they ignoring immigration

[@rokketron]

Because they fear it!

[@vextally7566]

They talked about it in this debate

[@simon2knine]

Because they don't see it as a problem. They both want the small boat to keep coming.

[@TakuCityPop]

My first ever vote will be a vote for Reform UK. Down with the traitors to our country in Labour and the Conservatives.

[@partyringsparty]

Fascist

[@johneastwood3039]

​@partyringsparty Yes you are.

[@partyringsparty]

@@johneastwood3039 Bit childish

[@drinkwater9891]

im voting for monster loony ravy party guy, farage is too mainstream he supports tony blair and lockdown

[@johneastwood3039]

@@partyringsparty Calling everyone you don't agree with a fascist like Rick from The Young Ones? I agree that was childish of you.

[@Uno-1968]

The UK needs reform . Vote Reform UK 🇬🇧

[@whiteonggoy7009]

Only way out.. Vote reform

[@ellibod1]

This is a debate that neither of them won, & tbh, most voters have already made their mind up anyway

[@deanplant1500]

Clash over what they like but reform is coming so wasteful time

[@RogerMellie-yk3gw]

Wow. Reform and their predicted one or two seats. What a change. Lol

[@jaresteph]

​@@RogerMellie-yk3gwpredicted 18 now actually, a huge increase in just a week, time to brush up on your knowledge and face facts.

[@RogerMellie-yk3gw]

@@jaresteph Time to brush up yours. They aren't predicted 18 seats at all. That's absolute nonsense. They're predicted 2 seats. And they'd be lucky to get that.

[@jaresteph]

​@@RogerMellie-yk3gwyougov predicting 18 / 20 seats, far more reliable source than whatever you're looking at

[@oxonomy2372]

Where’s the full version?

[@SaintsBill.]

Rishi wasn’t a good PM, but he was right.

[@dadada486]

What's funny is I was thinking the only way Starmer would even lose this election is if he's debate performance shows he incapacitated or something. This is exactly what happened with Biden.

[@davidmcvey7091]

The bias on display is nauseating. Why were the questions read from cards? Maybe because Sunak had pre-prepared answers.

[@timetraveler_0]

Pretty sure the other dude had it too, he's ain't that sharp.

[@suminshizzles6951]

If this was run like the US versions then both parties were aware prior to going on stage, what the questions were. Both of them would have insisted on this

[@eboxjmc]

Took me quite a bit of effort to find the actual full debate on iPlayer and was already annoyed because of that. Then within 30 seconds and before either had said a word I turned it off. The presenter stated that the audience was picked from labour and Tories and undecided, no reform, no greens, no worker's party etc. This whole show is to give the impression that it's a 2 horse race between the party in power noone wants back and the party noone knows what it stands for other than anti Rwanda. Only 1 audience member asked the question, are you 2 the best we have to pick from?

[@mickeythompson9537]

You want PR? Push for PR.

[@eboxjmc]

@@mickeythompson9537 Proportional representation and direct democracy. Both are needed in tandem to get us into a representative democracy that the representative element is in regards to the majority of citizens. Not media influence, not lobbyists and not highly vocal fringe groups that disrupt our day to day lives to diminish our democratic system.

[@lobbyskids2]

Fptp is a stupid system.

[@phoenixwright1296]

We don't care about petty tax cuts. The country is falling apart. In the words of Armando Iannucci "Just get the shit out of the rivers" we just want things to work

[@Dan-zs8pk]

and net migration being so high is the cause of literally every issue we have !!!!!!!!! You want more taxes so we can pay for even more people coming in and fill up our schools. Nhs. Roads and houses ?

[@Trevisio]

🤡🤡Choose a clown form these 2 is not democracy

[@Trevisio]

Write “I do not consent” through every name on the ballot paper

[@partyringsparty]

It's all the Tories have got, so we've been hearing that a lot.

[@InputArchive]

@Dan-zs8pk Listening to too much Farage I see. Immigration is not the link to every one of our issues. There's countries with much larger populations than ours which have perfectly working roads, health, education etc. Think immigration is too high? Government issue. Want less boats? Government issue. Roads not fixed? Government issue. Etc.

[@PhilBailye-r2n]

Both party’s are talking a load of bollork .vote reform

[@TricksyBix]

Wow! The UK is so fucked. RIP when Labour win.

[@loopydoopi]

I’m convinced this entire thing is scripted. Rishi Sunak, Kier Starmer and the audience were handed the same script to learn from.

[@deejohn1659]

A complete waste of time between two Party Leaders that I certainly won't be voting for and nor will many others. Where was Nigel, who is drawing big crowds and getting among the public unlike Starmer and Sunak who are both avoiding the public, preferring useless photo opportunities.

[@drinkwater9891]

im voting for monster loony ravy party guy, farage is too mainstream he supports tony blair and lockdown

[@deejohn1659]

@@drinkwater9891 They all voted for lockdown. It just took some of them a while to wake up.

[@deejohn1659]

@@drinkwater9891 They all voted for lkdown. It's just that some took a while to wake up.

[@drinkwater9891]

@@deejohn1659 well i dont vote for any of "they" then do i lol

[@deejohn1659]

@@drinkwater9891 M.R.Loony Party. Well that's a complete waste of a vote and vote for the Wefminster lot.

[@Mazzeha]

Where's Farrage 😂

[@laylaa.xxxxxx]

were actually dead. this country is going to pieces at this rate.

[@DanMan-we9qf]

Clashing over meaningless crap Not debating what is going on in Ukraine and how we are being dragged towards nuclear apocalypse Did they discuss the Isreal Palestine debacle? The Houthis? The new bi polar world that is accelerating daily?

[@mustafaabdi8427]

this guy buying Russian oil from india 🇮🇳 so to support his country and british people paying the price high energy bills cause india buys from Russia sales oil double price

[@DavidMeikle-ei7fr]

Fvcking hell, we have a border 😱

[@anonymos59]

They are destroying the country

[@paullevon3640]

just a vicious rumour......

[@PCG2022]

R.E.F.O.R.M! Resolution. Effective. Firm. Order. Revolt. Movement. 4th July - Autobots,....Roll out!

[@John-gr5tx]

Stop the mud slinging and get to the policies. If you have any starmer !

[@kollurisurya5237]

Stammer is trying his best to b politically correct to please voters

[@Lordsi]

No reform, I’m not watching…

[@patrickbateman1660]

The guy who did brexit shouldn't be invited. He helped ruin the country.

[@drinkwater9891]

im voting for monster loony ravy party guy, farage is too mainstream he supports tony blair and lockdown

[@amgry5461]

Omg can we stop acting like it's a competition between the only two people being covered by the media?? Like it's clearly not a competition when we all know who's going to win despite the fact we don't want either of them to win, vote reform if you have any sense left in that hollow skull of yours

[@Red-Revolution708]

Go look at my Town Centre in 2010 it was a thriving community now it’s a boarded up Slum thank’s to the Conservatives, and the liars about Taxes, under Labour were a hundred times better off.

[@mickeythompson9537]

People have forgotten very quickly how well the country was running and how well of they were between 1997 and 2010. The one glitch being the 2008 Global crash - and governing parties all over the world got blamed for that..

[@Drayran]

14 years Labour had to rise to the challenge of opposition, 14 years they failed. Both government and opposition are politically and morally bankrupt

[@miel1074]

I’m sick and damn tired of hearing about bloody “small boats”!!! You have an ENTIRE Royal Navy, which was able to prevent the whole German Army from crossing in 1940….but are somehow incapable of stopping 2 Afghans and a donkey in small boat!!! Please! WHEN WILL THE BRITISH PUBLIC WAKE UP!!!????

[@kinocchio]

Let Farage have a go I guess. Can always vote out if not happy.

[@buildatrap]

both terrible options

[@jesusyvictoria]

Rishi Sunak: "My grandparents emigrated to this country with very little. Two generations later I have the enormous privilege of standing here as your PM. I don't think my story would be possible in any other country and that is why I feel an enormous sense of duty and gratitude to our country for what has done for me and I am in politics to make a difference" And I ask.. is that difference to cut migration so people like your grandparents that want to come to the country to give a better life to their family cannot be allowed in? Not even to mention the refugees. If your predecesors had been like you, you wouldn't be an UK citizen.

[@Mr.Haque01]

One of the reasons why the UK economy is so bad is foreign policy. Foreign policy gets a lot of attention and a lot of money is invested in it, but no leader pays attention to their Internal issues. It is a pity that the government always pays less attention to the position of working-class families. People who are living illegally in this country should be sent to their own country, not to Rwanda. Sadly, sometimes leaders talk too much and it's only brainwashed but people understand the hypocrisy of talk. 👀😡

[@Angel-j8e]

Vote ‘REFORM…

[@welshmanjay]

Vote Reform people and save Britain, you have the power in your hands let's send both these clowns a clear message 🇬🇧

[@CBM902Q]

The Conservatives wasted so much money on Rwanda, the French border, COVID-19 PPE etc. I could go on and on. Sunak is talking rubbish, why did he mention about Taliban? Sunak is such a liar.

[@canugizabit2810]

Ukraine ?

[@colinmelling6369]

Sounds like a lot of labour activists have been put in the audience.

[@CraigSteelyard]

And pro Pale-stine protest outside.

[@bloodwargaming3662]

Cope

[@partyringsparty]

They're leading in the opinion polls by some way, so you'd expect the largest constituency of the audience to be Labour supporters.