Labour Government Would Be "QUITE EXPENSIVE" | Peter Hitchens x Mike Graham

Mike Graham and Peter Hitchens discuss the economic consequences of COVID-19 and government responses. Mike argues that working from home has not increased productivity, while Hitchens highlights the loss of risk-taking and investment due to panic caused by the pandemic.
Both speakers criticize government policies, including reliance on printing money and raising interest rates, which will result in higher taxation and bigger national debt.
Peter Hitchens warns against supporting Keir Starmer's candidacy due to his ideological views and potential for taxes and speech restrictions.
Peter Hitchens says while he is sceptical about polls, people may begin to think differently when they realise, "a Labour government won't be free at the point of use, but in fact quite expensive!"
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[@user-oy7ni2fb8t]

There is only one person being honest in this campaign and that is Nigel Farage. Vote Honesty, vote Reform UK.

[@paddymeboy]

Being honest about the fact he'd destroy the country given half a chance. Luckily he won't get it.

[@jamietherooster]

​@@paddymeboy Define destroy? try not to assume the position that globalisation is for our benefit or a wholly positive thing in the process

[@joycawthorne8215]

I agree 👍

[@thediscokidd]

@@jamietherooster compare his economic policy to Liz Truss and then get back to us.

[@ricochet2977]

@@paddymeboy The myth about the lemming’s might be untrue and the pied piper story maybe fictional but either way Starmer is the epitome of both of these and he will definitely lead us off that cliff.

[@christinalayzelle832]

I'm voting Reform UK 🇬🇧

[@taykitrleevitt4314]

When they've run the country into hell due to underfunding- the levels of tax necessary to repair the damage would dwarf anything we've seen before.

[@johnbewick6357]

Thirty years for Labour to win a majority vote 100 years ago. REFORM could do it in five if we vote for them now and at next election.

[@SeismicEvent]

Reform UK 🇬🇧

[@GrahamFearnley]

Nazi party BNP KLU KLUX KLAN all have same breeding as the reform party

[@dudeyfeb88coach]

Uk sheep are too left wing

[@scienceevolves4417]

In my experience only idiots and fools are gonna be voting LIEform 😂😂😂

[@forthfarean]

Most of us just do not want Labour or Conservative.

[@hypsyzygy506]

I want Monster Raving Loony.

[@mikeoleary1723]

Could probably do a lot worse.

[@forthfarean]

@@mikeoleary1723 Give Reform a chance.

[@northnsouth6813]

If it barks it's a dog, if it quacks it's a duck, if it's labour it's more borrowing and higher taxes.

[@michaelsrowland]

And more immigrants

[@scienceevolves4417]

And if it's farage he'll blame it all on immigration...😅 Listen at this stage even having byden or trump would not make any difference, so who cares!!!

[@scienceevolves4417]

​@@michaelsrowland What's wrong with immigrants? Majority of those don't bother anybody, problem is with white british chavs who don't want to work. 5 million brutish sheeple are on benefits for the second generation in a row ...😮😮😮 So it's by now become a lifestyle!!! Let that sink in.

[@scienceevolves4417]

​@@peterholden3672 Legally it OBVIOUSLY canNOT be a contract. Because we haven't agreed on anything and because the clowns from LIEform are not in a position to promise anything.

[@JupiterThunder]

@@peterholden3672 But Reform's savings exceed the spending by £10 billion. Next question please.

[@tt-vu3oz]

Gordon brown sold 6 billion our 0:55 gold. Labour will do the same.

[@adamreed3457]

🇬🇧Reform uk🇬🇧

[@3DL1]

In other words OVERSPENDING .... Reform ✅️

[@roycampbell5605]

No it wouldn't be quite expensive. It would be extremely expensive.

[@domzbu]

It’s classic Hitchens understatement

[@jamalwalters750]

That's why People will be crazy to vote for Labour, time for real change in REFORM

[@wgj4813]

Since when has a labour government not been expensive. This country seems to be walking into a very large credit card bill with huge interest costs.

[@D...........33]

Yes and happy to do this😢

[@thediscokidd]

The conservatives have been Very expensive. We have no money, have sold all industry overseas, not invested in anything and not built anything.

[@abazely2743]

And someone's balance sheet will show that as an asset!!

[@Mizzkan]

@@thediscokiddYou’re right but look at what actually happened. The entire left and MSM made the Conservative Party spend during Covid. The weakness of the top Tory’s was to blame but was deliberately provoked by the left.

[@James_36]

boomers need their NHS up and running and their pensions securing up with social care paid for... cmon

[@kevingiblin4122]

❤to hear more Peter always 😅😊

[@user-rp4bf6sr3g]

But yet the Clowns will vote this Shower in. Vote Reform!

[@paddymeboy]

Nurse! Here's another one...

[@paddymeboy]

PS Why capitals on 'clowns' and 'shower' ffs?...

[@fluxington]

@@paddymeboy How tragic, you need to point out capitalisation as your method of attack.

[@dudeyfeb88coach]

You are in a minority coach , 90s Tories won't return ,just the reset parties

[@scienceevolves4417]

​@@paddymeboyno nurse needed. Being amongst LIEform supporters already feels like being in a madhouse and they are running it!

[@JayJay-wg5ex]

I cannot get enough of peter hitchens, love from australia!

[@JayJay-wg5ex]

oh! and I work from home and am superbly productive as compared to travelling 2 hours to the office

[@alphabetaxenonzzzcat]

The thing that Hitchens misses is that we are already paying quite high taxes. There's also the fact that whoever gets in will have to raise them in order to service the public debt.

[@SlowhandGreg]

The elite will loose loads of tax perks The Tories fetched in a tax break for millionaire pensioners in the 2023 budget costing 8 billion, all the fossil subsidies will be gone costing billionaires hundreds of billions

[@SagaciousFrank]

He knows this fully well, but Labour will cripple working class people like me who aren't spendthrifts and would like to save and build a future, or anyone who is remotely middle class. The Tories are bad, but 🎶things can always get worse 🎶 just as it did from Major's Tories to Blair's Labour.

[@StoatLoxley]

Lowest productivity for 250 years. Lower than France

[@stevenellis2776]

So true unfortunately

[@stevenellis2776]

Walk round London was a ghost time

[@mixmax1953]

A vote for the Tories is a wasted vote. Let's get Farage some real power to challenge slippery Starmer.

[@peterjohnston2196]

You two still pushed the vaccines though, so not quite so independently minded and smart as you think you are.

[@scienceevolves4417]

They all took the koolaid juice too, because it was more important for them "to comply"...

[@StoatLoxley]

@@scienceevolves4417 Nobody in the media wants to talk about when they all became Nazis. i would question if any of them had the spike protein shot at all.

[@SagaciousFrank]

I don't think Peter supported mandatory vaccinations, I would think he'd be against that, but taking it is an individual choice, or at least it should have been.

[@peterjohnston2196]

@@SagaciousFrank I believe he took the vaccination grudgingly so that he could continue to travel abroad. That's what he wrote in the papers anyway. Fine, I suppose he feels his readership appreciates that kind of example of jaded morals, but it's a bit rich to crow about his stance on lockdowns years later..

[@SagaciousFrank]

@@peterjohnston2196 , I don't follow your logic here, he never said at any point that he wouldn't take a vaccine, quite the opposite. And he had every right to keep it private, but chose not to. If he was in support of mandatory vaccinations then I'd have a serious contention with that position, but he didn't.

[@historex54tamiya]

Go to work, whilst I sit here and tell you, go to work, lol lol lol lol The irony

[@graemetonks7825]

But Peter seems to be arguing for a two party state. Tory or Labour and that's your lot.😮

[@UKsoldier45]

Expensive YES hence why higher taxes, in every form will pay for it. This equals less money in circulation and lower growth.

[@jillibrom702]

I have always love Peter Hitchens and his wisdom .

[@AethelwulfOfNordHymbraLand2333]

Peter Hitchens doesn't understand British electoral dynamics. Advocating for *any* political party helps Labour because it motivates Labour's voter base to get out and vote, and you will be obligated to accept the electoral result. No vote and silence is the best course of action for anyone who doesn't want a Labour government.

[@PoppiesAndPride]

I CANT QUITE BRING MYSELF TO RELY ON ABBOTT AND LAMMY I MEAN LAMMY AS FOREIGN SEC I WOULD NOT FEEL SAFE AT ALL, VOTE REFORM STOP THE BOATS REFORM ON 4TH JULY

[@Stephanie-wf6xr]

Peter will have to pay all his taxes😂😂

[@crumplezone1]

Thanks for being the voice of reason Peter, I always listen to your opinion as it is always made from facts

[@Ben9362]

Wise words from Hitchens

[@gunternetzer9621]

Pete on great form hilarious - I wish he was like this and laughed more often.

[@hypsyzygy506]

He's an idiot.

[@burtingtune]

I agree with Peter Hitchens on most things, but I think he is wrong about Reform. Yes, they are far from perfect, but after a few years of Labour, and with a destroyed Tory Party, there is a very good chance, if the socialists don´t cancel elections, that Reform can form a government and that they will have a chance to organise themselves better.

[@scienceevolves4417]

No chance the cuntreh will be any better off though!

[@macmcstar]

VOTE REFORM UK - they will bring the change we need. We are ALL voting Reform UK along with every single Vet we know .. they are all wanting Farage in No.10.

[@user-sf7kl9uh7k]

Blair spent huge amounts, but cancelled every road peoject. He paid people to sit at home.

[@iainrae6159]

The 'Angel of Mons' was also a myth, simply a newspaper story to boost moral.

[@drshirleylucass2283]

That’s what is frustrating. The more that vote for reform the more chance of them getting somewhere

[@Jimmy-ew2xe]

What is he on about? We can only go by the manifesto/contract and some research on the characters.

[@CL-he4jz]

sir keir, davos or westminster? oh davos, you can get more done, westminster's so stuffy. See Together's clip

[@stevenellis2776]

You are so right, Davos their club every January WEF.

[@D...........33]

100%😊

[@SagaciousFrank]

Country is ☠️

[@m0o0n0i0r]

Peter Hitchens - If you dont leave your house you are not taking any risks are you? Well if you are trying to save up for a deposit or living on the brink, you certainly are not going to take any risks - no money left to do so

[@user-hc1ru1pl7n]

Shirk, discipline, entitlement, victimhood, anecdotal reputation destruction

[@paulthomas-hh2kv]

The motorist will get hammered by Labour plus pension contribution tax

[@ArjunGhag-ix7te]

Luv Mike & peter hitchens chats. Attacking Fatage won't work just like attacks on Brexit & Churchill & QE2 & chips & chocolates & tea never work

[@TracyCarr-rx4fw]

All doing the same its a joke now

[@JustTakeAMoment]

The one thing to bear in mind is that Reform have stated that they want to increase the Personal allowance to £20k which would help everyone who's struggling and lift them out of paying too much tax. If that's not enough to get your attention, then you really need to see a Doctor to test whether you are compus mentis.

[@poplarboydavid]

Vote Reform.

[@raymondelf7520]

they never have anyone outside London its all what London thinks

[@marchudson1693]

the most un british city in britain

[@ruthcollins2841]

Hitchens lives in Oxford, which is under LIEbour and has LTNs of 15 minutes!

[@alphabetaxenonzzzcat]

@@ruthcollins2841 I suspect that Hitchens approves of the LTNs, as he is forever telling us how much he hates cars, laments the demise of Britain's railways and is an enthusiastic lover of bicycling.

[@humptydumpty9177]

We waited 40 years for Brexit, we'll gladly wait a few more to get what we want, a Reform UK government and a changed political system. Never again will we have the two part stitch up!

[@paulhargreaves1680]

It doesn't matter if labour are going to be expensive, they'll just increase the national debt and fully expect the next generations to pay for it all.

[@attackdog6824]

Know it all ponce

[@derekrobinson5554]

We trusted this man with our money who are the fools now😂

[@Newsopathy-gf2ug]

Latest GB poll - (Matt Goodwin) Reform on 24%, Tories on 15% and Labour 35% - does this strongly suggest that Reform are now taking serious numbers of votes from Labour?

[@jumblestiltskin1365]

Labour will stealth tax the life out of anyone that still feels work, prudential savings are anything worth doing.

[@barneybiggles]

Sayings: And lightning doesn’t strike the same place twice; of course it does eg lightning conductors, one guy got hit by lightning 7 times; Roy Cleveland Sullivan.

[@majorminor2065]

Already Voted Reform, onward and upward.

[@paulthomas-hh2kv]

Ulez will be in every city

[@pauldunlop1660]

Polite understatement by Peter.

[@Kimllg88]

Does Peter Hitchens have a whistle in his teeth?

[@Doodie961]

I work remotely 3 weeks out of 4. To get to site is 9 hours each way on the train then an hours walk with all my kit. Then every day I need to walk to the bus stop and catch a bus which takes an hour each way. 9+9 +(2 ×5)=28 28 wasted hours to sit at a desk doing the exact same job I can do at home then having the cackaling witches on the nearby deaks making me have to wear earplugs due to their office 'banter' I an more productive working from home as I can utilise tis wasted travel time and turn it into work time!

[@greentroll9326]

REFORM get my vote why even have voting if your vote means nothing so if every wperson in the uk voted reform we would still get labour , that kinda shows how fixed it is

[@FussellFilms23]

I lost £58000 income because of lockdowns. One of my jobs is hardly worth doing now because of lack of foot fall in London and the City of London.

[@DaveBeaven-tx2tp]

Reform Party for me.

[@user-sj4of7rq5l]

As soon as I heard the word"lockdown" I said it would do more harm than good

[@GrahamFearnley]

Mystic meg on one again what has tories spent in last 14 years don t think that number will be beaten tory boy

[@tamhunter5025]

Hitchens the intellect talking to the clown from his home

[@CarlConrad-vf6pn]

I understand people’s frustration but won’t voting Reform simply result in them having at worse 1 and at best 4 seats, whilst the Conservatives are decimated. Voting Reform is like turkeys voting for the proverbial Christmas.

[@joycawthorne8215]

If you have any savings ..Labour is coming for them 😡…VOTE REFORM 😉🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@robertadams1054]

I remember Brown with Private pensions, bloody thief.

[@hypsyzygy506]

​@@robertadams1054 Not a problem if you didn't have a private pension.

[@yippeeki-yay1691]

​@@robertadams1054- Goldfinger Brown.

[@MrSoulsFull]

Good luck with that seeing as the people labour are addicted to contribute nothing to society. Where is the money coming from?

[@lofilevelling7830]

Oh look its Peter Hitches. Time for a nap.

[@Chris987-ew3qp]

Financial resources are limited (Finance101). When a few at the top arbitrage/steal 85% of all financial resources, the masses are forced into poverty, and money has to be printed, which causes inflation. The ratio of the median CEO's pay to a median UK full-time worker, at 118, was up from 108 times in 2021 and 79 times in 2020, the think tank, which campaigns for fairer pay and a greater voice for workers on company boards, calculated.

[@andrewmartin3250]

Peter Hitchens: the man with the whistling teeth.

[@djmattblack]

Hitchens says we should vote against a Labour government but he wont vote Conservative and he doesnt like Reform, so who should people vote for then?

[@ML-xh1go]

You vote for Reform if you want to save your country being overrun with channel illegals,and also for our children’s future,more illegal families crossing. They take our housing ,our children’s school places, 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@SlowhandGreg]

It's the elites trying to scare you because they will loose loads of tax breaks How many people use off shore tax haves to avoid IHT ? How many people have a 2nd property and exceed their CGT allowance?

[@willhall4037]

20k wage before you start paying tax = Reform.

[@SlowhandGreg]

@@willhall4037 It's an unfunded tax break costing around 60 billion. Reform are not going to put up taxes on the wealthy to pay for it so your into Truss levels of economic instability. In fact there's another 60 billion in unfunded tax cuts for them as well.

[@fluxington]

Don't listen to a naysayer, a doom-monger for advice.

[@robb2650]

It seems to me if a business thought its employees working from home wernt doing the jobs they would get at there line managers to fix it, at the end of the day the profit increase from not having buildings to pay for and other involved upkeeping costs add up if the numbers didnt make sense the businesses would be saying get back to the office or lose your job but your wrong mike and onto the empty office space thats a good thing the people who built them have paid taxes on them already now there are huge empty building and a housing crisis providing opportunities for businesses to rip down these dead office complexs and build housing estate the more houses built the cheaper they will become helping ease the loss the homeowners will eventually face when the market crashes again

[@mouseinthehouse_]

Peter Hitchens is the same man who has been advocating for the wipe out of the Tories for years, but when it’s actually going to happen he doesn’t want it anymore.

[@rogerdodger1790]

He always knows best when in reality he needs to move aside and tske his ideas from the 70s with him

[@sputnik1315]

because the alternative is labour, I think he wanted a 'true' conservative alternative

[@scienceevolves4417]

​@@sputnik1315... Which LIEform isn't! Let's clear that up!

[@yellowperilbiker]

Cannot believe lockdown happened. Cannot believe how stupid the majority of this country have become. How pathetic. We reap now what we sow.

[@macmachine]

Labour is for skivers. The Tories for strivers.

[@notbot6186]

What a load of twaddle! We've already seen what happens when these types of ideas get implemented with liz truss

[@katestone7284]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@cecilefox9136]

Psychological manipulation by givernments.Many behaved like a flock of sheep.

[@jasonhartley1305]

My god doesn't peter hitchens love the sound of his own voice .

[@englishbob9492]

Mouse jigglers are tracked in our place

[@CarlConrad-vf6pn]

People just want the Conservatives out. They would vote for Donald Duck if he was the only alternative.

[@Acts238-fl8mr]

Repent of your sins and turn to Lord Jesus Christ for eternal life ❤️ INTOUCH MINISTRY

[@nickgood8166]

A woke apocalypse is now inevitable.

[@scottbuckingham5626]

I wonder if labour will put up your taxes dont say I didn't warn you

[@mickaparrish]

Please help me to understand why anybody is considering voting Labour or Conservative in this election, IF you love this country, IF you can see that the level of immigrating is undermining our infrastructure our NHS our standard of living, (think I exaggerate try to find a NHS dentist), If your scared of the imminent massive tax hike's that are coming our way, You only have one choice vote REFORM ignore the left wing dominated media, open your eyes look around we all can see what's happening, wakeup, step-up help to stop this madness, vote REFORM

[@historex54tamiya]

I am sorry, I do like you Mike, but you have no idea, chatting into a microphone, how hard people can work from home!

[@chickenbites8877]

Hitchins TORY APOLOGIST

[@robertadams1054]

Typical comment from a Labour 💩💩💩

[@princerupert6161]

Peter Hitchins. A pompous ceribal narcissist. Too much claret or the alarm didn't go off, or both?

[@thediscokidd]

The last time this country was prosperous was under labour.

[@CL-he4jz]

whe Gordon brown raided all the pensioners' savings?

[@ruthcollins2841]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 The last time the country was in profit with no debts was under Tories. Unfortunately Brown not only robbed the pension & pensioners of their money, gave civil serpents & MPs golden handshakes BUT LEFT THE COUNTRY BANKRUPT AND WE HAVEN'T GOT OUT OF THAT DEBT SINCE 1999!😡😡😡😡

[@user-bh9eq6wy9w]

yes, because they have always taken power and spent the money the Tories had accumulated

[@JustTakeAMoment]

Completely wrong. Labour inherited a very healthy balance sheet from the last Major government because Ken Clarke did a sterling job as Chancellor of the Exchequer

[@armstrong698]

These two are remoately connecting... dont listen to dinosaurs - evolve. Why would anyone take a risk? where is the leadership from previous generatestions?

[@isabelskelton794]

Peter sounds too too tired to talk.

[@keithrobert5117]

Hitchens is right. Starmer is Maoist and every step in the man.'s career is marked by revolution.

[@samhodgins9804]

Labour will push more and more people into poverty and the economy will spin downwards but vote Labour naively believing things will improve

[@paulharrisharris5761]

Because things have been so good the last fourteen years. Labour can’t be worse than what Britain has got at the moment . At least they have a proper manifesto and I’m all for them being given a chance to implement it. And this Arther Daly character with GBnews Talk presenters as a shadow cabinet is a joke . Grifter’s and fascist all of the Reform party. And all ex Tories.

[@samhodgins9804]

@@paulharrisharris5761 how are they going to bring change then?

[@paulharrisharris5761]

@@samhodgins9804 read the manifesto and listen to them when they speak. Stop being influenced by the hatefull biased people on tv. I am sure they are going to be running the country after the election so let's give them a chance 🙂.

[@philg7889]

Nope! Office is full of unwelcome distractions. Productivity at home is through the roof. Doesn't work for all, but way better for me :)

[@scienceevolves4417]

So you're an alright jack then..

[@stequality]

Full time mummy does not class as employment

[@fabienmerteuil6226]

He's coming for you Peter, it's inevitable😂

[@paddymeboy]

Same old scaremongering. The reality of the last 20 years is that Labour has dealt pretty competently with global crises they couldn't help. The Tories have repeatedly _caused_ a crisis where there didn't need to be one.

[@fluxington]

Tories are awful, Labour are awful. How can a party that's not in power 'deal with global crises'. I think you mean they made comments on world affairs. Occasionally.

[@Haybeck1]

"The reality of the last 20 years is that Labour has dealt pretty competently with global crises they couldn't help" I'm assuming that you don't mean how this comment sounds because if you do you must be one of the dumbest people in the country. Labour hasn't dealt with any global crisis in the past 20 years because they haven't needed to as they have not been in power. All they have ever done is wait for the Tories to decide on something then complains it's the wrong thing to do but never come up with alternatives. The Covid crisis was a perfect example, when it first hit Starmer complained that the Tories were too slow in dealing with it causing 1000's of deaths. When it came out that we were actually one of the first Countries to respond to Covid Starmer complained that Boris had spent far too much money too soon on responding to Covid. Starmer then accused Boris Johnson of not listening to the experts and going his own way which of course was more bollocks from our prospective next P.M. because Boris had indeed taken advice from the experts and acted on it but then Starmer then found one "expert" that didn't agree with what the Government had done so that was the "expert" that should have been listened to. Starmer also took the side of Hamas after the terror strikes on Israel as did Corbyn yet you seem to be happy at the thought of these clowns becoming our new rulers, God help us. I'm no lover of the Tories, trust me, but what they have done over the years is nothing compared to what Labour is going to do to us and don't forget Labour are the Party that opened up our borders for every terrorist, rapist and convict to openly come here and get treat better than our own people.

[@zoltan-zq3xe]

The Iraq war are you serious? bunch of brain dead Stalinists.

[@MissLondon.born.1965]

Stop whistling 😂😂

[@TomClarkSouthLondon]

Stop breathing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@paddymeboy]

Anybody noticed how Farage, who a fortnight ago was challenging people to debates left, right and centre, is now mysteriously weaselling out of any kind of interviews or scrutiny?

[@jamietherooster]

no