Labour MP's powerful speech on legacy of slavery during debate on Black History Month

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@MissSunshine_xo
@MissSunshine_xo Ай бұрын
The fact the room is empty speaks volumes those absent shame on you
@chesterdonnelly1212
@chesterdonnelly1212 29 күн бұрын
No. It's pointless. No one should talk about that.
@user-ca3sp7er1h
@user-ca3sp7er1h 29 күн бұрын
​@@chesterdonnelly1212 Why
@annychest718
@annychest718 28 күн бұрын
don't care shame on you.. and her..soo embarrassing 🥴 what's she done apart from freeness chomp
@tonysmith131
@tonysmith131 26 күн бұрын
I am not surprised...
@user-ca3sp7er1h
@user-ca3sp7er1h Ай бұрын
It is a grotesque injustice to pay the slave owners compensation and the slaves nothing for their suffering
@davidatkinson5858
@davidatkinson5858 Ай бұрын
Meanwhile the alternative was to literally go to war with the entire planet on a point of ground-breaking new ideology about the moral implications of human slavery that they had no hope of winning while the actual victims of slavery continued to be slaves.....you're infantile assessment of the "injustice" of buying freedom for those people being "grotesque" is completely irrelevant when put in it's correct historical context...of a world where the practice of enslavement and selling those slaves for financial profit was a globally accepted normal part of life which had been legally perpetrated by every single culture in recorded history till that time.....Gtfo with your ridiculous oppression larping cultural karen whining gaslighting bullshittery drivel 😂Wagghhhh!!l😭
@64SGH
@64SGH Ай бұрын
At the time the slaves were legally owned and payment to the slavers was made for loss of goods and it was the only way to end slavery without mass violence
@guyplessier7935
@guyplessier7935 Ай бұрын
Go ahead and get the African countries who actually caught, enslaved your ancestors then sold them to European, Middle East and other African traders to pay your reparations
@SummerTalz-vx7bj
@SummerTalz-vx7bj Ай бұрын
The slaves are all dead
@Delboy0
@Delboy0 Ай бұрын
What makes this even more appalling is the British government were paying slave owners until 2017 and didn’t pay a single penny to any descendants of slaves.
@lollian2782
@lollian2782 Ай бұрын
This comment section proves “do not look for compassion from your enemies or your friends”.
@annychest718
@annychest718 28 күн бұрын
I've been compassionate all my life and never got any thanks appreciation or gratitude..only blame for the colour of my skin..now 🤮 sick of it
@Uncle_Tijikun
@Uncle_Tijikun 12 күн бұрын
​@@annychest718You don't do good go be rewarded, you do good because it's the right thing to do. Dr. Who told us better
@georgemayo5623
@georgemayo5623 Ай бұрын
All the artefacts stolen, during slavery and colonialism should be returned, where they were, stolen from.
@Deeejjj64
@Deeejjj64 23 күн бұрын
What the bongos?
@devogrant2817
@devogrant2817 19 күн бұрын
@@Deeejjj64 When they played those bongos as you put it.... they did not mind raping them black women...that native music ...got them really going ...yeah your right, "What the bongos" but it caused more mulatto children ...than your chamber, or classical music ever did........ we beat the drums and it brought the devil serpent our of your ancestors ......regardless of class .....
@maxonion7604
@maxonion7604 17 күн бұрын
@ Deeejjj64, it will happen mate, if Africa becomes the likes of china and the United Kingdom become the third world, just wait and see!!!!!!!!
@1pauljs
@1pauljs Ай бұрын
It shouldn’t be a case of taxpayers paying the bulk of reparations that should be from the families that benefitted and continue to benefit such as the Windsors.
@petercook5563
@petercook5563 Ай бұрын
We should be able to get a list of these families so we can bring a court case against them
@louisaaugustine9839
@louisaaugustine9839 Ай бұрын
But that is the point, not only the slave owners benefited the UK did
@1pauljs
@1pauljs Ай бұрын
@@louisaaugustine9839 at the height of slavery where did the British state end and the aristocracy begin?
@mightyman2404
@mightyman2404 Ай бұрын
Tax payers pay reparations to this very day to the zionists...
@stabes70
@stabes70 29 күн бұрын
@@louisaaugustine9839 The elites benefited the British People never have!
@georgemayo5623
@georgemayo5623 Ай бұрын
Very powerful speech by M.P Dawn Butler, having a black skin is a blessing.
@jfenton6941
@jfenton6941 19 күн бұрын
Imagine compensating the rapist and not the victim. God will definitely judge the evil that's been done to Africa and its people.
@petercook5563
@petercook5563 Ай бұрын
I would love to see the list of people that have benefit from this. It's these families not the British tax payer that should be paying back the money from their disgraceful past. How many of these people are actually in Parliament and the House of Lords
@janetmalcolm6191
@janetmalcolm6191 25 күн бұрын
There are a few in Parliament still benefitting today from money received and property still owned from that time.
@janetmalcolm6191
@janetmalcolm6191 25 күн бұрын
The list is available. It is out there.
@devogrant2817
@devogrant2817 19 күн бұрын
Totally agree .....
@andrewmark2783
@andrewmark2783 Ай бұрын
I do think reparations are owed but they are owed by the estates of the slave owners, not the British state.
@Smittumi
@Smittumi Ай бұрын
Excellent point.
@d4v1do
@d4v1do Ай бұрын
That’s fair to be honest. But then why pay reparations to slave owners till 2015???
@M_Bamboozled
@M_Bamboozled Ай бұрын
I like that idea. Strip their assets and take 'their' land back into common ownership. Some reparation paid and we get right to roam. Win-win.
@snowbind
@snowbind Ай бұрын
@@d4v1do Well they didn't. They paid off their loan to the bank, which they took out to pay the slave owners. It's quite a subtle but important distinction.
@M_Bamboozled
@M_Bamboozled Ай бұрын
Agree, and they should give up 'their' estates too. Let's get reparation and our right to roam back.
@ItsMeBenson
@ItsMeBenson Ай бұрын
I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS ALL WEEK!!! I’m so glad she said this in commons.
@dna9838
@dna9838 Ай бұрын
Are you a british citizen? If so, you do realise that if we entertain the idea of reparations, that is a bottomless pit and you and our children and grandchildren will pay the price. On the one hand, those asking for money will never stop escalating the costs until we’re bankrupted as a country, and on the other hand they will continue to hate us for both the slavery and for being so pathetically cretinous and feeble-minded that we couldn’t even defend our own record in abolishing slavery of our own and others. .. and it is defendable.
@Ma55ey
@Ma55ey Ай бұрын
2024 we're still giving billions to the richest in society...
@adambinnie1332
@adambinnie1332 Ай бұрын
Like the Bechams?
@sophiemclarke6556
@sophiemclarke6556 21 күн бұрын
Yes, the Royal family, to name one.
@RockdownPlus
@RockdownPlus Ай бұрын
Decency and compassion would demand that the slaves or their descendants should be compensated for slavery. However many of these people do not believe that blacks are worthy of decency or compassion.
@ipaja5515
@ipaja5515 25 күн бұрын
U hit the nail on the head
@devogrant2817
@devogrant2817 19 күн бұрын
Because some of them did not have decency and compassion....or else they would not have gone into that form of business ....they were known as gentlemen planters can you believe ...the English language is so illustrious.....it can turn swine in pearls....yes the opposite way round ......
@raphaelandrews3617
@raphaelandrews3617 28 күн бұрын
Dawn Butler" it is easy to make money in business if you do not have to pay workers" Great point about today and modern slavery. No Dawn there were MPs( 86) the richest who were slave owners/traders who had fortunes from slavery they were called the Plantation group
@Realist13
@Realist13 28 күн бұрын
Tax relief reparations for Caribbean people for 400 years would be good.
@whisperingleaves
@whisperingleaves Ай бұрын
Very nice, I feel reparations via cancelling debts and providing education or community level drives would be beneficial. Also appreciate that she is standing up for her and all constituents of that background, instead of some MPs that can't even be bothered to turn up for their own constituent meeting surgeries.
@annlewis7685
@annlewis7685 24 күн бұрын
Absolutely agreed !
@intuitiveempath8988
@intuitiveempath8988 Ай бұрын
There is NO going Forward if you don’t correct the wrongdoings/ Evils of the Past.
@rayboish
@rayboish Ай бұрын
Dont talk nonsense, there were more Africans enslaved by other Africans than there were by the British or American. If she cared about justice she would be addressing the slavery in African countries right NOW !!
@janetmalcolm6191
@janetmalcolm6191 24 күн бұрын
It is a difficult subject as it was all so long ago in time. Many countries took part. France Spain the Netherlands Portugal and Britain.
@intuitiveempath8988
@intuitiveempath8988 24 күн бұрын
@ those colonial countries still benefit and indulge in neo colonialism today, what’s difficult to understand about that, and you say so long ago, ? when the king of England visited Kenya recently, he met with so surviving members Mau Mau Kenyan army who ppl was almost all wiped out fighting the British colonial powers. He did not have a word of apology, he just smiled and enjoyed the hospitality of there puppet W Ruto. These ppl and there decedent are still alive today and still not free so I’m not buying this narrative that this happened so long ago. Even me, I’m only second generation wind rush in the uk.. For there actions they have been coursed, and unless they correct these actions, there sins will be passed down to there childrens children.. that’s what’s happening today as there continue to play blind to the existent, they blind there own ppl about what they did and contained ti do.
@dark_lovely100
@dark_lovely100 Ай бұрын
Well said 👏🏾 I would love to have your poem on my wall, it was both beautiful and strong ❤ thank you for bringing this to the floor, I would love to see the MP answer your and other colleagues on why this is not important or the time to bringing it up.
@sp88tips
@sp88tips 29 күн бұрын
Came to the UK, outta Trini, straight, Two-thousand-one, new dreams to create. Started payin' tax in '05, no rest, Puttin' in work, doin' my best. But ’18 hit, news rough like steel- Money I paid goin' back to old deals? Slavery’s debt on my check, so raw, Violated, man, felt the flaw. Britain’s compass found pain for gain, But now it’s broke, let right remain. Pick up the moral code, yeah, pay it back, Settle the debt, put justice on track. To every Black hand that paid what’s owed, Heal the scars, break that load. Real talk, time for the tables to turn, Give what’s due, let history burn. Let the discussion begin, truth's overdue- Time for justice to shine through.
@teddydavis2339
@teddydavis2339 28 күн бұрын
The British are not trying to hear that. They want to hear about how they were a great empire.
@clairee4939
@clairee4939 24 күн бұрын
We’ve been willing to hear a lot of criticism of the empire to be fair but now it’s getting out of hand. There were good things about the empire, and the more they push the more we’ll just re-discover our actual history and find our way through together as a multi-ethnic country, in spite of the haters.
@petercook5563
@petercook5563 Ай бұрын
Where can we find the names of these slave owners that we have been made to pay? We need to get these funds back from these ghouls
@ipaja5515
@ipaja5515 25 күн бұрын
David cameron is one
@janetmalcolm6191
@janetmalcolm6191 25 күн бұрын
The list is out there. Anyone can find out.
@janetmalcolm6191
@janetmalcolm6191 25 күн бұрын
​@@ipaja5515Yes one of many in the Govt. Drax is another. He is getting money only over recent years from slavery. Inheritance passed down from it!
@janetmalcolm6191
@janetmalcolm6191 24 күн бұрын
Drax is an MP and so is Cameron. Many are the people who Lord it over us now!
@devogrant2817
@devogrant2817 19 күн бұрын
As we speak there hiding their storey ......
@GillJobe
@GillJobe Ай бұрын
Well can't say my family benefitted from slavery.My father worked on the land and we lived in a tied cottage . Let the land owners and the Lords who built their houses on the profits of slavery pay reparation, not the public or the government.
@sophiemclarke6556
@sophiemclarke6556 21 күн бұрын
Insult to injury, black people the children of the former enslaved also was made to paid the slave owner. The establishment is having a great laugh.
@clairee4939
@clairee4939 20 күн бұрын
Yes there’s so many crazy paradoxes when we go down this rabbit hole. Another is that people in the Caribbean are actually more a fluent than those in their ancestral homeland as a result of the legacy of slavery.
@sophiemclarke6556
@sophiemclarke6556 20 күн бұрын
@clairee4939 Absolute rubbish, have you travelled.?
@sophiemclarke6556
@sophiemclarke6556 20 күн бұрын
@clairee4939 If in London people are homeless, sleeping in dirty street, what the hell are you talking about. Get real.
@clairee4939
@clairee4939 19 күн бұрын
@@sophiemclarke6556 Yes I have travelled and also read. Shocking eh! 😝
@clairee4939
@clairee4939 19 күн бұрын
@@sophiemclarke6556 You only further make my case.
@nelch
@nelch Ай бұрын
I read some historical newspapers recently about my local village in the Welsh Valleys. The mine owners had lowered wages, leading to people falling into debt- the authorities arranged for hundereds of police officers to show up and forcefully evict families from their small terraced houses. Thats my ancestry- how can you say I contributed to slavery, or that I should have to pay to make it right? Go after the landed gentry and merchants who took all the money.
@CuriousCrow-mp4cx
@CuriousCrow-mp4cx Ай бұрын
And thus, the English poor were the wealthiest poor people in Europe. And your ancestors helped to repay the loan taken out to compensate the slave owners. So did you, if you were working before 2015.
@Tom-uk3np
@Tom-uk3np Ай бұрын
And that’s what they plan to do, they are wanting to take money from these wealthy slavery-benefactors, not the average working people
@PrivateBenjamin-vw8xy
@PrivateBenjamin-vw8xy Ай бұрын
@@CuriousCrow-mp4cx Comparing sufferings again? Is there a mathematical formula for all this? You're certainly clutching at straws here. You're trying to tell these people that they benefited from slavery or helped it in some way? Directly and voluntarily? You certainly know some historical facts, I just don't think you understand what they actually mean in the real world, especially this far removed from the actual 'crime'.
@jasonhaven7170
@jasonhaven7170 Ай бұрын
one day the uk will be minority majority, we'll see then
@leftcentrerightg8523
@leftcentrerightg8523 Ай бұрын
Im black mate, the idea of reparations is ridiculous and 99% of black people I speak to agree with me. It's just race baiting and creating discord between the working classes
@sandimai1647
@sandimai1647 Ай бұрын
Bless Dawn Butler for her representation & for the gentle but strongly worded speech, in addition every word of her poem was rooted in Truth & had earned its place. ...I on the other hand would be calling Starmer's bluff in a very big way, as it stands he is not prepared to entertain the idea of reparations let alone a conversation so let that be (one of) his downfall because I would be rallying round & showing appreciation to all the commonwealth leaders who are at least prepared to come to the table to discuss this important issue!!
@ianphillips9455
@ianphillips9455 Ай бұрын
At what starting point? slavery had been happening for thousands of years with most countries partaking at times in their history, yet would you like to tells us which countries spent millions to end it by both paying off slave owners and paying for a navy squadron to blockade Africa with the loss of thousands of sailors (will their families get "reparations?) which countries forced others to stop the trade while some African rulers wanted it to carry on? I'm all for equality but this whole reparations subject is nonsense, where is the starting point? where is the end point? which countries? and don't forget the first Empires in the world where in Africa and Middle East so is that the starting point? will UK get reparations from Rome, Vikings etc? or is it just certain counties paying and others forgetting their history and roll in Empires and Slavery. And I used to admire Dawn Butler but not after she has jumped on this bandwagon.
@Marcthered
@Marcthered Ай бұрын
Not sure about the sun part . No truth in that tbh
@MonicaRose65.
@MonicaRose65. 25 күн бұрын
Clear beautiful concise and too the point... thank you Honourable Lady❤ I'm so grateful that this is out there to be heard. So many of us born in this country still are struggling with mental, emotional, and physical abuse caused by generational pain trauma and hurt that has been passed down in our DNA. We live in HOPE for REPATRIATION IN FULL.
@raygreenfinger
@raygreenfinger Ай бұрын
England Still benefits from the money slaves made. Barclays, Lloyds, were started to benefit slave traders an ship owners ( insurance). Even the industrial revolution came about because of a slave with metal work knowledge from Africa. You can check for the details
@janetmalcolm6191
@janetmalcolm6191 9 күн бұрын
Yes big names especially banks were involved. Someone had to handle all that money made!
@Nilz-ie8li
@Nilz-ie8li 18 күн бұрын
Its right that the room was rightly empty for this pointless speech
@clairee4939
@clairee4939 10 күн бұрын
Indeed. If only she wasn’t there either! 😂
@BumbleyBoo
@BumbleyBoo Ай бұрын
Bit of a none story. There's no way a government that's already apparently struggling to make enough for it's own budget, is suddenly going to start sending serious amounts of money abroad.
@keycuz
@keycuz Ай бұрын
The first thing this government did was promise to Ukraine 3 billion pounds. When there's a will, there's a way.
@doreencardwell8008
@doreencardwell8008 Ай бұрын
No? So the money to Ukraine has stopped, yeah?
@tickledeggz
@tickledeggz Ай бұрын
We've seemingly always got billions for foreign aid.
@zenaudio108
@zenaudio108 Ай бұрын
Did you listen to the video? Dawn Butler gave many examples of ways that reparations that can be made instead if, ir in addition to, money.
@CuriousCrow-mp4cx
@CuriousCrow-mp4cx Ай бұрын
But it's not struggling to send money, people, and armanents to Ukraine is it?
@MaxineBenjamin-iv2yg
@MaxineBenjamin-iv2yg 28 күн бұрын
Your inspiring speech was truly a blessing. I've been hoping for years that this important discussion would gain the attention it deserves.
@ItsDeffoScott
@ItsDeffoScott Ай бұрын
If Brits were suddenly enslaved I would want my ancestors to get paid reparations for my enslavement. I don't see why Caribbean countries aren't owed a blood debt.
@PrivateBenjamin-vw8xy
@PrivateBenjamin-vw8xy Ай бұрын
Ok well start making a list of all the slaves in history, and everyone can pay each other.
@ianphillips9455
@ianphillips9455 Ай бұрын
You really need to do some research on this subject as you seem to have little knowledge on the subject, ie brits where slaves remember the Romans and Vikings? do you know anything about Barbary Pirates from North Africa who used to raid Europe for slaves. Ireland's patron saint was a slave taken from Wales. Slavery has happened for thousands of years all over the world. Most of the slaves out of Africa where sold to Europeans by Africans.
@awakenedsoulx9431
@awakenedsoulx9431 Ай бұрын
​@@ianphillips9455The African slavers were paid for the African slaves not by other African. Also Africa is awake. There is content on this subject from an African perspective. Africa is taking action to remember their stolen people. African system of slavery was not chattel slavery.
@UserNameSteve-d3z
@UserNameSteve-d3z Ай бұрын
The British people have already paid to end slavery. There is no case that can be made to convince me that I ought to pay again.
@d4v1do
@d4v1do Ай бұрын
That’s actually a decent argument to make to be fair
@trevormannsfield
@trevormannsfield Ай бұрын
You paid the OWNERS of slaves, not the slaves themselves
@dna9838
@dna9838 Ай бұрын
​​@@trevormannsfieldthe British people paid with the lives of the royal marines, ships, and bases of the West Africa Squadron, and lost vast sums of money in VOLUNTARILY, SPONTANEOUSLY, giving up slave trading, when its peers happily continued. 99% of the British people also continued to pay out the cost of deslaving the uk to rich 1% of brits until 2015!
@trevormannsfield
@trevormannsfield Ай бұрын
@@dna9838 Then it's time to start reclaiming wealth from the top 1% Oh wait the people who get angry about reparations are always against wealth redistribution as well. So this clearly has nothing to do with economics at all
@nelch
@nelch Ай бұрын
​@@trevormannsfield so go after those former owners then
@oldgreybeard2507
@oldgreybeard2507 Ай бұрын
My grandfather was next best thing to slave working on his hands and knees in the Durham coalfield for poverty wages whilst the owners lived in huge houses with servants. He was beaten over the head by toffs parading as specials in the strikes of the 20's. He died horribly of black lung. Can I have reparations please?
@trevormannsfield
@trevormannsfield Ай бұрын
There are literally compensation schemes for miners who suffer injuries or develop health conditions...
@andrewmark2783
@andrewmark2783 Ай бұрын
​@@trevormannsfieldOnly for those still alive. You can't claim for someone who has passed away
@David-rr2bt
@David-rr2bt Ай бұрын
No…because he got PAID,and he chose to do that.
@trevormannsfield
@trevormannsfield Ай бұрын
@@andrewmark2783 Why would you?
@oldgreybeard2507
@oldgreybeard2507 Ай бұрын
​@@andrewmark2783thank you for making that clear. One would have thought that 1920 would have made such a reply unnecessary
@stationsixtyseven67
@stationsixtyseven67 Ай бұрын
Why should the great grandchildren have to make any reparations for what their ancesters did? It wasn't us! We would never have done it. Why should we carry the guilt? We weren't there.
@vs1399
@vs1399 28 күн бұрын
My great grand mother was born in 1903. I was privileged enough to meet and be loved by this beautiful strong black woman who stood 6ft tall. She spoke on her life. If I am old enough to remember and have experienced the things she spoke of AM I not entitled to reperations for generational pain and present pain. I don't racially abuse myself. White people are responsible for all of it. So pay for the crimes committed.
@papadeenw6
@papadeenw6 24 күн бұрын
Because you're still benefiting from slavery even though you didn't own the slave the fact that you're family was paid reparations/compensation for giving up slavery money from the British government and developing generational wealth still benefiting from today that's why reparations should be paid the slaves suffered immeasurably and got nothing oh their freedom your family got rich off the backs of slaves and compensated financially again by British government
@daughtersofjacob1014
@daughtersofjacob1014 10 күн бұрын
I guess the same question could be asked why did the great grandchildren of the enslaved born here in the UK have to pay the slaveholders and their descendants for enslaving and brutalising our forefathers and foremothers? But we unknowingly did up until 2015
@SandysWorld64
@SandysWorld64 24 күн бұрын
💯👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽❤️🖤💚✊🏽 I was totally appalled with this compensation pay out when I heard too, knowing that I too helped pay this bill. Do you see how we get charged taxes and are totally oblivious to what we are actually paying! Is this FRAUD? Funny how this was revealed after the payment was settled. I'm sure had we all known what we was paying that BILL would never had finished paid, as the country would've been in uproar, possibly riots and protests all over UK. The sneaky devils knew to keep this quiet. I feel CHEATED! Actually I WAS CHEATED!!
@TonnyTK100
@TonnyTK100 27 күн бұрын
There will be a time when all the crimes committed against the African people will eventually catch up with those responsible, leaving them with no opportunity for repentance. Regardless of how much they have stolen, Africa will continue to remain rich for a long time to come.
@rod9829
@rod9829 Ай бұрын
Reparations are highly controversial, and their discussion is not particularly productive. I think there’s a recency effect where we live in a world created by the west so we ask western/white countries for reparations, negating to some degree all the history where every country/people tried to victimise and subjugate other people to the best of their ability. It’s perhaps a cliche but how many Africans want reparations from Turkish/Arab Slavers?
@whisperingleaves
@whisperingleaves Ай бұрын
I mean, sure, but then by your logic why the hell are the UK paying "slave owners" £20 million for the loss of their 'property'? Your comment seems to do a whataboutism to hand wave the discussion away, but forgets that only 9 years ago the government stopped paying slave owners. Why didn't you pipe up and let people know how ridiculous it would be to pay slave owners and how unproductive it would be at that point?
@rod9829
@rod9829 Ай бұрын
@@whisperingleaves there was obviously discourse about this at the time, no government wants to finance such an expenditure, it was the “price of freedom” if you wanted to take a *very charitable* view of it At the end of the day it seems a waste of money but the money was financed, I.e. the government got a loan to do it, if I loan you money, and you do something that in the modern day we view as morally reprehensible, I still need my money back
@dertery8724
@dertery8724 Ай бұрын
@@whisperingleavesBritain didn’t spend 182 years paying slave owners, but paid them in one lump sum financed by a loan with no expiry date. The original investors and their descendants continued to receive interest until the government decided to pay off the capital in 2015.
@CuriousCrow-mp4cx
@CuriousCrow-mp4cx Ай бұрын
If they're descendants are alive why not? But most importantly one should note that the states that carried out European slavery still exist, and the wealth that came from it, also exists too. Much of that money was reinvested in mechanising the labour done by slaves where possible, but the British state built their empire on it, to the extent the Royal Family were investors. If a similar state of affairs exists elsewhere, why not? Whataboutism doesn't change a thing.
@jasonhaven7170
@jasonhaven7170 Ай бұрын
one day the uk will be minority majority, we'll see then
@M_Bamboozled
@M_Bamboozled Ай бұрын
I'd like to see reparations as it would also support countries worst hit by climate change caused by our industrial past. I'd even like to see reparations to everyone in the UK for land enclosure and removing our customary rights. From the 16th century onwards we've all been scre*ed over.
@dna9838
@dna9838 Ай бұрын
Reparations and victimhood knows no bounds. People would better put their energies into the future and feel the empowerment that comes from just taking personal responsibility for their own future and stop blaming others. We are >200yrs since BRITAIN abolished its own slave trade and started to FORCE its peers to abolish their own, even though they were quite happy to continue. Where are the reparations demands to Spain, France, the US, and for that matter Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Mauritania, etc. etc.?!
@dna9838
@dna9838 Ай бұрын
Reparations for climate change caused by our industrial past?!!! The industrialisation Britain brought to the world has TRANSFORMED untold numbers of lives for the better. There are good reasons why developing nations go through their own industrial revolutions as a path to eventual prosperity. I find it so depressing to hear Brits hating their own country so much, blaming it unfairly for every problem and injustice of the world.😢 we have done things that were wrong, like all countries, but also a lot right and the balance is massively towards the latter.
@o13sweetboy
@o13sweetboy 29 күн бұрын
Thanks you Dawn Butler..
@bernieb5233
@bernieb5233 Ай бұрын
My family never owned a slave, but came from slavery before the trans trade.. i paid my family have paid for 200 years..
@mistermoggy8707
@mistermoggy8707 Ай бұрын
Well that was nonsense based on identity politics. The british population already paid historically in blood. And I mean the population, not the rich and powerful of the time. The consequences of the end of slavery include the transport of scottish and irish to the americas, the desolation of the countryside for charcoal, pressgang into the navy, and the creation of the slums that began the industrial age. The rich did not lose out , they diversified, and the cost was bore by the population of that time. If they wish to try to claim reparations from the rich and wealthy still thriving on blood money, then please address it in civil court. But the majority of people have no debt. However, if they are recent immigrants, then the same may not be true of the tribal communities from which their families come from. Slavery trade was run via Port Sudan and the slaves were caught and brought in by africans. The seller carries as much a burden as the buyer. If they insist on reparations to africa, then the cost born by slavers should be equally assessed. Otherwise they sit in hypocrisy, judging based an american narrowing over the nation that championed the end of slavery.
@trevormannsfield
@trevormannsfield Ай бұрын
So we should reclaim blood money from the rich and powerful in the UK then?
@mistermoggy8707
@mistermoggy8707 Ай бұрын
corrextion : “american narrative “
@mistermoggy8707
@mistermoggy8707 Ай бұрын
if there is a valid legal argument to be had, and not an emotive sound bite, then it should be through the courts. But if this is truly equitable, the focus should be on both sides of the slave trade those who sold and those who bought. I’ve been to Port Sudan, and the coral ruins of the old town are a shrine to the end of slavery. It is something that is acknowledged.
@CuriousCrow-mp4cx
@CuriousCrow-mp4cx Ай бұрын
Gobbledegook.
@sarmadtahir7269
@sarmadtahir7269 Ай бұрын
Educational!
@stabes70
@stabes70 Ай бұрын
The standard of MP’s has gone downhill.
@mongoliandude
@mongoliandude Ай бұрын
@@stabes70 that’s wild to say about one of the most committed MPs currently sitting in parliament.
@chesterdonnelly1212
@chesterdonnelly1212 29 күн бұрын
You're right. She's a moron.
@williamdew7143
@williamdew7143 22 күн бұрын
Tell them, Dawn!
@sakounkrumah4554
@sakounkrumah4554 23 күн бұрын
Beautiful, thank you sister!!
@chineduedeh1888
@chineduedeh1888 26 күн бұрын
She said this is not hate speech. Okay, Miss Chosen one
@001tgc
@001tgc Ай бұрын
Thank you DB! 👏🏾
@EarlofSalop
@EarlofSalop Ай бұрын
Can’t wait for reparations for the people whose ancestors were forced into workhouses
@CuriousCrow-mp4cx
@CuriousCrow-mp4cx Ай бұрын
You have it. It's known as the Welfare State. There's no ongoing legacy from that which compares to the 12 million slaves transported in the Atlantic Slave Trade, 15% which were murdered on route for insurance, or quelling onboard uprisings. Then the cruelty - psychological, material, physical, familial and sexual abuse inherent in the trade and ownership of slaves has resulted in an intergenerational and economic legacy that still exists in the fact that the descendants largely cannot pull up their bootstraps today, because many of the states and the families are enjoying that wealth created by the suffering caused by slavery. And through their economic power that has lasted to this day, are still standing on the bootstraps of the descendants of the slaves they once owned. Poorhouses in contrast only used to control destitution, and if those people escaped destitution and debt, they could freely leave those places. Not so slaves. Even though a lucky few managed to were allowed to raise money to buy their freedom, that was only possible if their owner agreed to it. If they didnt, they and their children remained chattels of their owners. Poorhouse inhabitants weren't slaves. They were a social problem that the British state, with the agreement of its citizens, chose to solve by confinement in the poorhouses in each parish. There was no democratic mandate from slaves.
@PrivateBenjamin-vw8xy
@PrivateBenjamin-vw8xy Ай бұрын
@@CuriousCrow-mp4cx That's a lovely long technical explanation that entirely fails to justify the different treatment, or indeed explain what simply giving money will solve when we have so many in need here. You're comparing the suffering of many people based on technical freedoms - 'My suffering was worse than your suffering because of a democratic mandate, you were just a social problem and so we deserve money and you don't'. Anything done now is completely arbitrary and the fortunes of countries who indulged in slavery have mostly taken a massive downturn themselves. If anything, take it from the rich who can be proved to be still sitting on a fortune from slavery. Even that would be tough, and anything other than that (i.e. taking it from taxpayers some of whom are poor themselves) a crime in itself.
@jasonhaven7170
@jasonhaven7170 Ай бұрын
one day the uk will be minority majority, we'll see then
@terrancehall9762
@terrancehall9762 Ай бұрын
​@@PrivateBenjamin-vw8xyyou are just talking nonsense. Emotions not logic.
@JusticeAfrica
@JusticeAfrica Ай бұрын
But none of you were put in chains and tortured.
@Oliver-l1c
@Oliver-l1c 26 күн бұрын
I think the best possible reparation would be to build a fair and equitable society.
@janetmalcolm6191
@janetmalcolm6191 24 күн бұрын
Try that. People find that concept hard to understand.
@monzorella1
@monzorella1 22 күн бұрын
Europe and America has had 400 years to do that. Yet the only fairness that has come about was fought for tooth and nail by us. Not one single thing was freely by your people.
@wintersolsticegn8385
@wintersolsticegn8385 Ай бұрын
✊🏿💙🔥
@KK-iy7mw
@KK-iy7mw 29 күн бұрын
Extremely proud of you, Don Butler.
@MementoY2K
@MementoY2K Ай бұрын
did a paper in university on the slave trade in Africa. Reparations won't do anything. Firstly, they should address the current siphoning of gold and rare earth materials to Switzerland, UAE, China and the rest (they lose about 30 billion a year from just gold). Their institutions are terrible (yes, partly or wholly from colonilism/slavery) but have somehow gotten worse and less trustworthy since. This woman just doesnt want to accept the clear evidence of current Africans being manipulated and exploited. Its much easier to pick a boogeyman whos been dead for over 200 years than fix current problems. Disappointing stuff
@wattakesselly6463
@wattakesselly6463 Ай бұрын
Here goes the blame China argument. Aren’t y’all tired?
@MementoY2K
@MementoY2K Ай бұрын
@wattakesselly6463 Why pick out China? I thought Switzerland taking African gold was more surprising and interesting. UAE, Saudis and Russia all give weapons to African Warlords (Sudan, Mali etc). I think it says more about you when you just pick out one country.
@wattakesselly6463
@wattakesselly6463 Ай бұрын
@@MementoY2K Africa can have ANY partners they want and chose to give their resources to whoever that is actually helping them with development unlike the US and European who sucks them dry and give them nothing. I can choose to comment to anything I find contradicting. Y’all will stay mad that CHina is developed and will keep on surpassing these imperialist nations.
@mdidris4414
@mdidris4414 19 күн бұрын
She is correct. It's a terrible injustice that slave owner got a big windfall and the slaves and their ancestors got nothing.
@baraji4653
@baraji4653 21 күн бұрын
Excellent speech 👏🏾. She raised brilliant points. Moreover, the Jews and others were compensated. Why not now?!
@frankhillier1915
@frankhillier1915 Ай бұрын
Should be the rich families and businesses which benefited from slavery that pay if anyone, not the average tax payer
@chesterdonnelly1212
@chesterdonnelly1212 29 күн бұрын
If anyone pays it should be the African kings. They sold them.
@janetmalcolm6191
@janetmalcolm6191 24 күн бұрын
​@@chesterdonnelly1212This is true. The chiefs let their people go in return for certain things. A shipful of people could never just take a lot of people from a tribe. The chief could do what he liked with them.
@ChrisBetton
@ChrisBetton Ай бұрын
This is getting really really silly now. Will the descendents of black slave owners be paying reparations to descendents of black slaves? Or are we pretending that didn't happen? Will the descendents of Islamic slave owners be paying reparations to descendants of Spanish slaves? What about anyone descended for Slavic slaves (you know, the white Eastern Europeans who were the first to experience it and who the word "slave" is named after!)? At some point, you have to move on. There is absolutely no *_lawful_* discrimination in the UK (except in cases of paternity) so the state has already played its part in this. The colour of someone's skin does not play a part in the state-sponsored opportunities available to them in 2024.
@kofiafrikan1236
@kofiafrikan1236 Ай бұрын
God bless GHANA. We are proud of you.
@gregorious1884
@gregorious1884 Ай бұрын
If reparations were the right thing to do how you they insure it is given to the correct families accurately. If the people sold as slaves we’re still alive or even just one generation after far far easier but how can you contemplate any reparations when we are such a multicultural world now. How would you pay reparations to a person so many generations ago that had descendants that have heritage from both sides now? And to what degree? I think ultimately an acknowledgment of past mistakes is the only way to move on and draw the line now to what is acceptable for reparations by law. Also what about the descendants that are now UK tax payers basically having to pay for their own reparations?!? Doesn’t make sense
@knowlex3787
@knowlex3787 Ай бұрын
100% there will be a lot of people with mixed ancestry who will have ancestors who took part in slavery and ancestors who were the slaves. My ex partner from the Latin carrabean has that exact mix. Myself has the mix of one family being involved with the treatment in India and the other one on the receiving end. So reparations now is silly and would only benifit corrupt politicians from those countries.
@David-rr2bt
@David-rr2bt Ай бұрын
Yeah it's crazy to think that me a descendant of slaves,.. contributed to paying off the slave owners,the people who kept my ancestors in bondage...crazy.
@dreadeleted
@dreadeleted Ай бұрын
i agree that an acknowledgement of past mistakes is vital & more attainable in the near future. but is it the only way? i don’t believe so. its important to face the fact that money & economic development plays a key role in this conversation - hence the term "The Great Divergence". The West have been able to capitalise on their wealth & become rich at the cost of their former colonies & enslaved people who are stuck in inherented poverty. It’s not necessarily about paying compensation to direct ancestors of enslaved people but helping allievate them out of poverty & support the development for their former colonies. & finally, if britain were ready & capable of "compensating" slave owners up until 2015 - why can’t they do it now for the ancestors (of) enslaved people & former colonies?
@CuriousCrow-mp4cx
@CuriousCrow-mp4cx Ай бұрын
The Church of Latter Day Saints because of their beliefs have created a global database that collates birth, marriage and death records, from government and church records going back in history. The government can start there.
@gregorious1884
@gregorious1884 Ай бұрын
@@dreadeleted I feel if the slave owners compensation has been happening up until 2015. I have not researched this myself but if true the state should claim back the error in payment as a taxation of these families I feel should be reversed and the families pay the state until an agreed time in the future and the government can use these funds to sort itself out and then it can support the development of others otherwise we will be in a perpetual cycle of debt unless we fill the black hole and build back better.
@shig4238
@shig4238 Ай бұрын
Go back far enough and we were all slaves. You’re not getting free cash for something that didn’t affect you. Move on.
@awakenedsoulx9431
@awakenedsoulx9431 Ай бұрын
Do you know what Generational Trauma is? .. You have no interest in it. And obviously no knowledge either. Smh
@awakenedsoulx9431
@awakenedsoulx9431 Ай бұрын
Thank God Africa is waking up. A small country in Africa took their Gold mines back off the UK. Good!
@shig4238
@shig4238 Ай бұрын
@@awakenedsoulx9431yes and no amount of money will ever be considered enough. This trauma gets solved internally or not at all
@leedouglas1692
@leedouglas1692 29 күн бұрын
No amount of money can repair or undo the global and generational damage of British colonialism and chattel slavery. I think you're sorely mistaken in thinking that the effects of this aren't ongoing today in numerous ways. I believe any acknowledgments and reparations would and should be distributed to the countries and communities impacted. Stolen artefacts and jewels should be returned to the rightful countries. The European Royal families should stop parading stolen wealth and riches, as you mentioned "free cash". In an ideal world, stolen land would be returned to the native inhabitants, but this isn't an ideal world and in many cases they were wiped out or displaced. I do agree that it's not a simple matter or a fix, and apologies cannot be given by people who weren't involved. Acknowledgement would be a start though.
@papadeenw6
@papadeenw6 24 күн бұрын
And the families and groups still benefiting from their ancestor slave owners what you say to them? Move on with all the generational wealth and reparations paid by government at the time Move on seriously
@winst0ns
@winst0ns 19 күн бұрын
Cancel the national debt of every commonwealth country.
@ajaxon8071
@ajaxon8071 Ай бұрын
...Yes, that wass the British people stopping the international slave trade... while slavery in Africa is still happening today.
@awakenedsoulx9431
@awakenedsoulx9431 Ай бұрын
Well neo colonialism didn't help Libya did it. It's not as simple as as your comment. There is a reason.
@ajaxon8071
@ajaxon8071 Ай бұрын
@@awakenedsoulx9431 yes we can agree on that- slavery has been a constant throughout history. The British people didn't create it and aren't responsible for it.
@mia35767
@mia35767 24 күн бұрын
​@@ajaxon8071But they were the absolute WORST slaveowners evil to the core
@ajaxon8071
@ajaxon8071 23 күн бұрын
@mia35767 really?? Based on what? North African Atabs (Barbary slavers), castrated their slaves and worked them to death in galleys - I think I'd take picking cotton over that eh?
@clairee4939
@clairee4939 19 күн бұрын
⁠@@mia35767 🤔 Not sure- the British slave ships would have been truly horrific but I don’t know anything about how their treatment compared with that of others? It’s a very grim but objectively interesting question I suppose.
@Moonlight-sonata-t9r
@Moonlight-sonata-t9r Ай бұрын
We are broke and will be bankrupt if we continue down this path
@Thai.Farang
@Thai.Farang Ай бұрын
When is White History Month? I've not seen it advertised
@jessejames465
@jessejames465 29 күн бұрын
Let the truth out
@ReenieG1UK
@ReenieG1UK 29 күн бұрын
Let’s not forget that ‘compensation ‘ to former slave owners was finally paid off in 2019.
@dianecorbin8886
@dianecorbin8886 Ай бұрын
I have personally paid reparations through my taxes. I think the government could make good on that. Further more I hope the Caribbean and Africa don't have to pay any form of debt to the IMF? 😊
@rod9829
@rod9829 Ай бұрын
9:08 if you read the history of European colonisation in Africa with regards infrastructure it was non existent prior to Europeans coming, civilisations like Sokoto or the Zulu were not particularly developed at all, so it is true Europe plundered Africa, but prior to Europe coming there was no infrastructure or governmental capacity to benefit from these resources at scale regardless (except for North African states, the omanis/swahili in the east, or the Afrikaans in the south). Also saying that somewhere has natural resources so it should be rich is a truism that clearly does not stand up to scrutiny.
@witwicky5565
@witwicky5565 Ай бұрын
Depends which country, development varied massively
@rod9829
@rod9829 Ай бұрын
@@witwicky5565 I’ve literally named the two indigenous centralised countries
@mongoliandude
@mongoliandude Ай бұрын
This is about as effective as applying the current global poverty line of $2.15/person to pre-industrial societies. To put it into words, would you rather live in a pre-industrial and pre-urban society that is clean, has adequate food & nutrition, access to clean water, ample living space, community & a functioning society etc, or a country with railways that has none of the former qualities? Quite clearly, it's a poor tradeoff that doesn't benefit the 'recipient' of infrastructure. - I think the point made is that there is causation between resource-rich countries being uniquely poor i.e. that those resource-rich countries are dispossessed of said wealth via the political and economic subjugation by more powerful states (especially former colonial states, like the UK & France).
@CuriousCrow-mp4cx
@CuriousCrow-mp4cx Ай бұрын
Then why go there? Duh!
@rod9829
@rod9829 Ай бұрын
@@CuriousCrow-mp4cx to exploit natural resources, did you read my comment?
@charlesregan9917
@charlesregan9917 18 күн бұрын
How about passing this money to the pensioners.
@InsanitiesBrother
@InsanitiesBrother Ай бұрын
To play the exact same race card... As a British dude if Caribbean descent no African gets to talk about slavery reiterations. You ancestors sold my ancestors. You can't just include slavery into black culture.
@mongoliandude
@mongoliandude Ай бұрын
@@InsanitiesBrother what are you referring to?
@DogWick
@DogWick Ай бұрын
Bro if you have Caribbean or African descent you likey had ancestors who were enslaved regardless. Whether slaves were sold from Africa or stolen that doesn't make slave owners any better and paying back nations for the damages caused by slavery is a GOOD THING i'm sick of this tired arguement.
@mongoliandude
@mongoliandude Ай бұрын
@@DogWick Exactly. It’s like going to court for robbing a bank and arguing “you can’t sentence me for armed robbery because you haven’t caught the getaway driver yet! ☝️” You still robbed a bank. You still commissioned slavery. You still reaped unfathomable amounts of wealth and ‘free’ labour with which you built your modern nation. Just pay the bill.
@gracemeguide1
@gracemeguide1 26 күн бұрын
​@@DogWicksorry this is very misinformed. Caribbean yes, Africa not exactly. It was less than 50 percent of the population and also remember if your family members have moved from Africa then you in effect were not a slave barring those who were part of the back to Africa movement which repatriated Africans to Liberia and Sierra Leone, which is more than any nation has done to make amends for slavery. Additionally there is the aid that we give. The fact is slavery has existed and still exists as we know. No other nation has been held to account in such a way. Additionally, why should the taxpayers money go toward this. Unless you take it from these families but then that doesn't make much sense as those currently in Africa were not slaves themselves. Lastly what about the Arab states and African kingdoms that largely aided and were complicit in slavery? Will they be pushed to pay reparations? Your argument makes no sense, none of this does.
@clairee4939
@clairee4939 24 күн бұрын
🙌🏻 God bless true Black Brits whose loyalty is to our country:. United we stand, divided we fall. 🇬🇧 ♥️
@banicans5299
@banicans5299 23 күн бұрын
I pointed this out on a TLDR vid, can't afford to pay descendants of slaves but can pay descendants of slave owners
@dogshake
@dogshake Ай бұрын
Everyone’s culture used slaves. Should everyone on earth have to pay another group of people? This is ridiculous
@cassandralapache6508
@cassandralapache6508 Ай бұрын
This lady for wanting to make working people who did not benefit in any way pay for something they had nothing to do with, should not be an MP. The ones she wants to make pay are her voters, the working people, migrants and refugees among them The British government borrowed money, from whom? The lenders how much did they gain? Those that was given money (not only slave owners) benefited from it, not the working class, their children were dying on the streets and in factories that employed the slaves.
@Michelle-vv9lk
@Michelle-vv9lk Ай бұрын
Paying the slave owners was wrong but it doesn’t mean reparations are right
@chesterdonnelly1212
@chesterdonnelly1212 29 күн бұрын
It wasn't wrong. It bought their freedom. Unless you think they shouldn't have been freed?
@Michelle-vv9lk
@Michelle-vv9lk 29 күн бұрын
@@chesterdonnelly1212 don’t be an idiot. They should have been freed without money being involved 🙄
@chesterdonnelly1212
@chesterdonnelly1212 29 күн бұрын
@Michelle-vv9lk the only other way would have been a big war which would also have cost lots of money and lots of lives. We live in a parliamentary democracy, there's no way they would have voted for that. Why would you choose war? I'm glad you're not in charge.
@chesterdonnelly1212
@chesterdonnelly1212 29 күн бұрын
Impossible to free slaves without money involved unless the slaves belonged to the British state, which they did not.
@Michelle-vv9lk
@Michelle-vv9lk 29 күн бұрын
@@chesterdonnelly1212 your desire to put words in my mouth is a bit pathetic
@paulluxford6009
@paulluxford6009 Ай бұрын
They say the reparations paid at the time speeded up the abolition of slavery by at least 10 years.
@wattakesselly6463
@wattakesselly6463 Ай бұрын
People did not need to pay slavers to end slavery!! The nerve of you racists!
@annepoitrineau5650
@annepoitrineau5650 Ай бұрын
The first slaves to North Ameica were white people who sold themselves for 7 years in exchange for passage. Oncce they had worked their 7 years as slaves, if they had survived, they would get a plot of land and they could start a new life. The first Africans enslaved were voluntary and on the same basis. Then the landowners stopped that because they were losing staff, and mostly, the plot of land was cut off from their land. Plus, Africans were really convenient: if they ran away, you could spot them, and the 7 years scheme stopped. Ask Diane Abbott: you can never ever escape being black (I am Jewish and I was not offended by her clumsy letter. I could feel her pain. We should all have apologised to her foor inflicting such pain on her). In conclusion: yes, the descendents of slaves are owed and deserve compensation, and we all have an African grandmother...some of us are lucky enough to have met her. Some, like me, are generations away from our African granny. Our loss.
@raygreenfinger
@raygreenfinger Ай бұрын
Those are called bondsman, an worked for the term of 7 yrs or until the debt was paid, they were then free. How many slaves were able to work for 7yrs an b free?. The history is out there jus read it All not jus what fits your point of view.
@annepoitrineau5650
@annepoitrineau5650 29 күн бұрын
@@raygreenfinger Exactly. The bonds men/women were in fact slaves/indentured workforce, and many did not make it as it was not in the interest of their "owner" to give them a plot of land. America is built on a lot of pain. Your post does not contradict what I wrote. I was not condoning/praising this system at all, but i should have been clearer that a lot of these people did not make it.
@qwertypoiuy355
@qwertypoiuy355 Ай бұрын
The estimated cost of reparations is £18.2 trillion pounds. The entire spennding of the United Kingdom annually is £1.2 trillion pounds. Where are we going to find £18.2 trillion? The biscuit tin?
@mongoliandude
@mongoliandude Ай бұрын
In instalments. Like everyone else does. Haiti has been paying France 'reparations' since 1825 for the 'losses' France incurred when Haitian sl4v3s rose up and successfully won a war of independence and won their freedom.
@knowlex3787
@knowlex3787 Ай бұрын
@@mongoliandudeno reparations should be paid. The Haitians shouldn’t of had to pay either. Many people who faced the sins of the English empire have moved to the United Kingdom. In the future, with how birth rates are looking they will be the majority. Should they pay for the sins that was committed against their ancestors no. If your going to go after any country for slave trade, Portugal would be the one as they started it. Similarly they couldn’t afford it and it would bankrupt them. Demanding reparations is a way for corrupt politicians in those countries to get more money. If reparations were paid none of it would go to the people. You have to sort the institutions out first before you pump loads of cash into it. Otherwise you get the same situation as when a poor person becomes a millionaire.
@philharmonic2251
@philharmonic2251 Ай бұрын
@@mongoliandude doesn't sound like it was very successful. You won your freedom! Now pay up! Who made that deal?
@David-rr2bt
@David-rr2bt Ай бұрын
⁠@@philharmonic2251... the French... they do it with all their former colonies who's won independence,.. it's called a colonial tax... they get about 500 billion a year, from former African countries,.. France would be a third world country without Africa.
@CuriousCrow-mp4cx
@CuriousCrow-mp4cx Ай бұрын
Lol. Try harder to understand how the economy works. Then you'll understand how it can be found. Nobody said it couldn't be found for Ukraine, did they?
@colinbrown1321
@colinbrown1321 Ай бұрын
Slavery is abhorrent but there is nobody alive today who is responsible for African slavery. Why should I pay for something that happened generations before I was born?
@garryyee4998
@garryyee4998 Ай бұрын
I was paying compensation to the decendents of slaveowners who enslaved my ancestors as recently as 2015, so from your logic as a descendent of former slaves I should be given a tax rebate for my contribution to that compensation.
@colinbrown1321
@colinbrown1321 Ай бұрын
It's an emotive subject for many people but my logic is that the slaves have gone, the slave owners have gone so we must learn from history but leave it in the past. How much compensation would Jewish people be due from the descendants of Germans etc etc. It would be never ending.
@garryyee4998
@garryyee4998 Ай бұрын
@@colinbrown1321 Jews who suffered under the Nazis have received compensation from Germany. This began with the Luxembourg Agreements in 1952, where Germany agreed to pay reparations to Holocaust survivors and the State of Israel
@garryyee4998
@garryyee4998 Ай бұрын
I find it ironic that whenever it comes to these called blacks getting justice etc there are always some reasons as to why we should not get it, but all others get their justice and / or compensation. WS is what it is.
@garryyee4998
@garryyee4998 Ай бұрын
Jews who suffered under the Nazis have received compensation from Germany. This began with the Luxembourg Agreements in 1952, where Germany agreed to pay reparations to Holocaust survivors and the State of Israel
@tana1234
@tana1234 Ай бұрын
There is only so many times you can say sorry for things that happened in the past, and at what point do you move on from it? The sins of the father only go on for so long. Also i dont know this lady but the majority of black people in this country werent slaves and didnt come from slaves.
@mongoliandude
@mongoliandude Ай бұрын
I think the point is that Europe and North American nations are extremely wealthy in global terms to this very day, while the African continent has had stunted development since slavery and later colonialism, specifically because of the trajectory set by the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade. Bygones can be bygones, but the main issue is that there's a very stark material difference between formerly enslaved nations and formerly enslaving nations since then. It's not just vibes, it's actual moolah we're talking about.
@tana1234
@tana1234 Ай бұрын
@mongoliandude while that might be the case, as the lady said, Africa has huge wealth why aren't they capitalising on it? The same reason many of them were complicit in slavery themselves, they can't for countries that don't fall apart with petty infighting
@mongoliandude
@mongoliandude Ай бұрын
@@tana1234 I can see how you get to that theory if you forgo the foundational history of the current state of African nations. I think if you research the history of absurdly drawn borders (e.g. Berlin Conference), western-backed political assassinations (e.g. Patrice Lumumba, Thomas Sankara etc), monetary subjugation (e.g. the West African Franc), predatory loaning practices via institutions like the IMF, the dominion of multinationals in supplying and propagating regional conflicts, you might quickly come to a different conclusion. The idea that Africans cannot administer societies or resources is absurd and is an idea born of early European eug3nc1sts that purported Africans are genetically incompetent, which became a justifying basis for slavery and later colonisation.
@tana1234
@tana1234 Ай бұрын
@mongoliandude I'd argue the proof is in the pudding and the fact that Africa hasn't yet pulled itself together despite untold riches is an indication they haven't found their footing. The IMF doesn't just give out money equally its done on many metrics not most risk factor and Africa has shown to be high risk
@dertery8724
@dertery8724 Ай бұрын
@@mongoliandudeThe Trans-Saharan slave trade, which generally involved kidnapping, no doubt had a greater economic impact on Africa than the Transatlantic slave trade, for which the kingdoms were paid.
@clairehill7722
@clairehill7722 Ай бұрын
F***ing outrageous
@ce1834
@ce1834 Ай бұрын
Many developing countries' leader look to reparations as an easy way to blame their terrible living conditions. Colonization was not limited to the British, the past is buried
@Tralalalala034
@Tralalalala034 Ай бұрын
The western civilized people
@mongoliandude
@mongoliandude Ай бұрын
Who?
@knowlex3787
@knowlex3787 Ай бұрын
@@mongoliandudenot you
@jasonhaven7170
@jasonhaven7170 Ай бұрын
GR, hurry up
@faithBlondon
@faithBlondon 27 күн бұрын
This is a bit pointless as Britain will not willingly pay reparations for several reasons.
@Believe-you-me-
@Believe-you-me- Ай бұрын
Maybe as a British MP she could lead by example and pay reparations first…..
@VR-mq3jt
@VR-mq3jt Ай бұрын
Yes that's a fantastic idea! How about a Labour Government helping British people for once?! That's a controversial idea to that lot 😥
@jasonhaven7170
@jasonhaven7170 Ай бұрын
one day the uk will be minority majority, we'll see then
@jasonhaven7170
@jasonhaven7170 Ай бұрын
@@VR-mq3jt one day the uk will be minority majority, we'll see then
@clairee4939
@clairee4939 20 күн бұрын
@@jasonhaven7170a minority majority???
@jasonhaven7170
@jasonhaven7170 20 күн бұрын
@@clairee4939 yes
@joshuabell7761
@joshuabell7761 Ай бұрын
Dear God, the comments section here is appalling. People triggered by the outfit that she is wearing. People calling her "a race baiter". People using whataboutisms for criminal acts that other empires have done. To the people in the latter, you are aware, that either a) those empires can pay reparations too as all empires should and b) chances are that those empires' rape, murder and ransacking does not compare to the astronomical amounts which the British Empire has done?
@JustClickApprove92
@JustClickApprove92 Ай бұрын
El racismo, used to it unfortunately
@Marcthered
@Marcthered Ай бұрын
Wasn't really keen on the poem tbh
@davidatkinson5858
@davidatkinson5858 Ай бұрын
Lol 😂yeah? By what metric exactly? Give us the evidence that supports your ridiculous claim....I dare you 🙄
@ahmedzahir2865
@ahmedzahir2865 Ай бұрын
@9:03 ​@@davidatkinson5858
@clairee4939
@clairee4939 22 күн бұрын
slavery was horrible but very much a norm throughout history. It existed before the British got to Africa, whilst we were there and since we left. There is no concern for current days slaves on Subsaharan Africa or Pakistan so to be very frank it’s just anti western con . Spending 4% of our GDP to abolish slavery and the billions we pay in aid each year is compensation enough.
@TmanNoOther
@TmanNoOther Ай бұрын
Let pay the slavers but not the slaves! How dare you
@dna9838
@dna9838 Ай бұрын
Oh the irony.. The country that unique among the world powers actually turned things around to end slavery for the first time in human history... And it's now seen as some kind of piñata for the undeserving to hit until it bursts.
@jeremymerrifield7244
@jeremymerrifield7244 Ай бұрын
Britain also benefitted massively on the back of slavery. So not really ironic . More shameful
@dna9838
@dna9838 Ай бұрын
​@@jeremymerrifield7244 it didn't benefit the British tax payer, or the families of the Royal marines that gave their lives prosecuting the transatlantic slave trade.
@dylanyoung1326
@dylanyoung1326 Ай бұрын
What we get taught in school about slavery is very selective. The Haitian Revolution had much more to do with the end of slavery than any activism any white British man has done. Hence why we started using indentured workers from India as legal slaves as soon as it was abolished which Ghandi helped abolish almost 100 years later.
@CuriousCrow-mp4cx
@CuriousCrow-mp4cx Ай бұрын
Who decides who is undeserving? You don't.
@dna9838
@dna9838 Ай бұрын
@@CuriousCrow-mp4cx I meant undeserving in the sense that the people asking are long separated by many generations from those who actually suffered or their families. I may not get to make the decision on whether reparations are payable or who's deserving or not, but I'll have my say in framing the public debate thank you very much.
@matty506
@matty506 Ай бұрын
How would reparations look if given and to who?
@miniwhaledropit2738
@miniwhaledropit2738 Ай бұрын
Stop living in the past. We ended slavery as well thats enough. I owe you nothing
@louiscryblood.1494
@louiscryblood.1494 19 күн бұрын
It's all good to highlight these issues but the reality is that these people have convinced themselves that they are superior to the rest of the world people. Work to improve governance in England 😮😮
@chuckworthy4547
@chuckworthy4547 Ай бұрын
The real question is how much do the British tax payers of TODAY pay for slavery? Slavery throughout history is not solely African, shall we ask the Italians for reparations for the romans slaves. Did Great Britain not bring an end to the Atlantic slave trade? Were slave owners strictly white European/American men? Dont pick and choose arguments as our country allows modern slavery in the Middle East and Asia to this day, cheap labour is a commodity to many but it’s also a universally condemned element of modern democratic society.
@jeremyhicks6787
@jeremyhicks6787 26 күн бұрын
I'm white, but I think Reparations is a good idea. I don't make a lot of money but i am willing to pay my share. There is also many rich white people out there that can pay a lot. So, I think we should make Reparations happen. There is no reason to wait any longer.
@placesandspaces3489
@placesandspaces3489 27 күн бұрын
That's how you get repaid. Helping to bankrupt them.
@westminsterwatcher5152
@westminsterwatcher5152 Ай бұрын
FFS!!
@deepaulie8701
@deepaulie8701 29 күн бұрын
This is disgusting. Where else is our taxes going? And why the secracy?
@Kaiissad
@Kaiissad Ай бұрын
dawn is an icon
@martynholden3478
@martynholden3478 Ай бұрын
No, she isn't she ignores most of the facts
@nathanaelsmith3553
@nathanaelsmith3553 Ай бұрын
I really admire Dawn Butler for her moral courage and integrity.
@designeedesigner6182
@designeedesigner6182 25 күн бұрын
All the slaves are dead, all the people who took them as slaves are dead. Who is it that would be repaired as everyone involved is dead.
@martinturner9720
@martinturner9720 21 күн бұрын
So why was their reparations until 2015 for the family's of slave owners?! Stop missing her main point you biased donut
@witwicky5565
@witwicky5565 Ай бұрын
Ok, some kind of reparation is due, but to who, from who? And when do we decide they are repaid? How far back are we going? Are we as the UK asking Italy and Scandinavia? Why are some events more valuable than others?
@witwicky5565
@witwicky5565 Ай бұрын
Do black UK taxpayers also have to contribute?
@trevormannsfield
@trevormannsfield Ай бұрын
Can you prove that your economic situation is tangibly worse right now as a direct result of viking/roman invasions?
@d4v1do
@d4v1do Ай бұрын
Tbh it’s all about will. Does the Uk have the Will to request reparations? I doubt it. But the commonwealth does
@mistermoggy8707
@mistermoggy8707 Ай бұрын
Reparations to the historic slave communities in the UK, like in the US? Where are they based?
@JoyceAppia-cj1od
@JoyceAppia-cj1od 19 күн бұрын
she should be wearing a Union Jack-themed scarf not kente
@stuartswain8785
@stuartswain8785 Ай бұрын
The usual suspects just after free money. Forget it.
@Whattintheworlddd
@Whattintheworlddd Ай бұрын
Only a Thief like you and your ancestors could come up with that. Going to a continent, take all the money they resources and then you turn round and talk about usual suspects that’s rich
@PrivateBenjamin-vw8xy
@PrivateBenjamin-vw8xy Ай бұрын
I voted labour but if we give reparations while the country is in this state I'll vote green next time.
@tonynature
@tonynature Ай бұрын
I adore this woman
@CiscoNov1947
@CiscoNov1947 Ай бұрын
You adore an idiot then. I'm mixed race I think she's living in the past to try and make a quick buck. Victim mentality.
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