Ladder Storage Ideas

[@3rutu5]

love the idea, with the exception of needing a ladder to put the ladder away. Maybe a pully system to get the back end up?

[@Ray_Here]

A pulley system would be great! For the once or twice a year I use my ladder, I didn’t want to take the time to make one. Thanks for the comment!

[@santosenterprises6458]

Yes exactly needs a second ladder to do the job😂😂

[@cmk8477]

I too have had my ladder in a bunch of different places over the years. I raised and lowered it on an elaborate pulley system in the last house. I would have reinstalled it but this ceiling is finished and I had no place for the counter weights. This is the first project in 40 years I haven't had to make a run to he hardware store for anything!!! One recommendation I would make is to mount the first vertical before assembling the threaded rod, etc. It was much easier.

[@Ray_Here]

Great suggestion and thanks for the comment!

[@ronbosgra8230]

The rolling bar is a brilliant idea. I've been using two L shaped inserts to slide in and secure the lower part of my ladder. I then run a chain through a step on the top side to hang and lock it in place on the ceiling. I'm renovating the garage and covering up the trillion and trillion of holes the previous homeowner drilled. I never thought of using a rolling bar. I'm going to use that! And replacing the Z inserts for two hooks as well. Thank god my garage ceiling isn't that high. Thanks for the inspiration!

[@Ray_Here]

I’m glad the video was helpful! Thanks for the kind words!

[@RGIIIRedskins]

Great video. You just saved me money, as I was going to buy the new Racor system. Nothing like good old fashioned “do it yourself” projects.

[@Ray_Here]

Glad to hear it. Good luck with the project!

[@RawFitChris]

Great tutorial. Love it! Just what I needed to store my 10 foot tripod orchard ladder. I just have to see how to get it as close to the ceiling as possible. I'm also thinking I should definitely plan for the smaller tapered (top) of the ladder to go in first over the roller, and then use 2 hooks like you did for the wider ("base") end as I feed it up there when putting away.

[@Ray_Here]

Sounds like you’re thinking it through correctly. Good luck and let me know how it goes. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@bensharpe7846]

Awesome video - just gave me the idea I’ve been needing for my ladders as I convert my garage! Thanks!

[@Ray_Here]

Thanks Ben! I’m constantly looking for ways to get things out of the way. Check out my video on my 5 favorite garage organization ideas. Thanks for the comment and good luck getting your ladder up.

[@jackt6112]

Thanks Ray, I engineered my own way of doing it and was about to do that today, but the way you demonstrated is nicer and easier. I'm going to use the method you demonstrated here.

[@Ray_Here]

Thanks. Glad you liked it!

[@jefftothwmizzle]

Did this exact set up over the weekend. It works great. I used 3 foot 1/2" threaded rod and got a few hooks and hung my tree trimming tools as well. Great video and thanks for the idea.

[@Ray_Here]

That’s awesome Jeff! I’m glad the video was helpful. Thanks for letting me know!

[@mikezdyb7728]

Great DIY for getting my ladder safely stored. Eliminated a tripping hazard in my garage. Good explanation! Thanks

[@Ray_Here]

Thank you Mike! I hope it works out for you!

[@patrickmaloney4125]

Ray, great video and your instruction was very pleasant to follow. You are direct, to the point, easy to listen too! Thanks!

[@Ray_Here]

Thank you Patrick! I appreciate the comment very much!

[@ij4298]

Just what I have been looking for.....roller idea......brilliant

[@Ray_Here]

Thanks!! I think I stole the Idea from April Wilkerson. She does some fantastic videos.

[@marthagarcia6280]

We've been re-organizing our garage, I found myself a narrow space between two cabinets, nothing really fit in there til the lightbulb went on, after folding the two ladders, a 6 ft and an 8 ft, I stood them up in between the cabinets. It was the perfect spot. Hubby loved my idea. If I slightly move one cabinet to one side, I may just be able to put in the 16 ft ladder too.

[@Ray_Here]

Great idea!!

[@ewb1972]

Thank you! You just filled my Saturday with creative fun!

[@Ray_Here]

Excellent! Thanks for letting me know!

[@seanphillips7766]

Great idea. I substituted 1/2" EMT in place of the treaded rod. Works great with a heavy ladder that is more than a little awkward. Thanks!

[@Ray_Here]

Thanks. Glad it worked out for you. Being able to modify an idea to suit your needs is what it’s all about. Good job!

[@reaxions]

It's a nice idea, but that roller is extremely dangerous. A better and safer way to do this, as I've done with my heavy steel vehicle cargo rack and a 28' extension ladder, is to use those J- hooks on both ends (two on each end). You first set the top of the ladder on two J-hooks set inside of the ladder rails and facing the same direction as the length of the ladder, to hold the top rung, which would prevent it from falling/rolling off, if you dropped the other end while lifting it up. Then, you place two J-hooks on the other end just outside of the ladder rails and also facing the same direction as the length of the ladder. As you lift the second end of the ladder up, you merely rotate the J-hooks about 90° inward to now hold each of the rails. It's unnecessary, but for those who like redundancy, you could also mount additional J-hooks on both ends to mirror the setup on either opposite end and simply twist those to also hold the respective ladder rung and rails. I've used this method (the 4 J-hook method) for 20+ years with zero issues or worries, and as long as your J-hooks are screwed deep into the ceiling joists, just twisting them 90° periodically doesn't reduce the J-hooks' ability to hold onto the joists at all.

[@Ray_Here]

Thanks for the detailed explanation. That looks like a good solution. I never thought about rotating the J hooks like that. I haven’t been using the extension ladder as at 71 hrs old my wife won’t let me on the roof! I’m thinking about giving it away.

[@peteloughlin6684]

Ray, Love your hanging system. We bought a 32 foot, Type II ladder for the new house. It is really too heavy to carry by myself but I think I can install your storage solution and save some wall space. Thanks for a great idea.

[@Ray_Here]

Thanks Pete. 32ft! That’s a big one!

[@pilkjaer]

That feeling when you need a ladder to put a ladder away. Now what to do with that ladder!? Great video idea. I will definitely consider it.

[@Ray_Here]

My small step ladder hangs on the wall as I use it all the time! Good comment. Thanks!

[@johnb7346]

Love this idea! Got a heavier ladder and due to space limitations in my garage, I have to hang it perpendicular to the running of my ceiling joists. Want to spread the load a bit so one joist doesn't bear the whole load on each end. Thanks for the great video.

[@Ray_Here]

You’re welcome. I’m glad it was helpful!

[@DIYflyer]

Fantastic idea. I need to figure out how to implement this with my 15’ folding LittleGiant ladder, which has a broader base.

[@Ray_Here]

Thank you! I hope it works as well for you as it did me!

[@dougwilloughby3150]

Ray that is what I will have to do! Outstanding!

[@Ray_Here]

Good Luck!

[@ulihoeness3226]

Marvellous, thank you, I‘ll copy that. Greetings from Germany!

[@Ray_Here]

Thank you. I visited Germany once. Beautiful country!

[@OlTrailDog]

At 24" centers it is more likely being attached to truss or rafter chords instead of ceiling joists. Nice to get the ladder up and out of the way, I also liked the ideas mentioned below with using a pulley for one end.

[@Ray_Here]

You are correct on your rafter comment sir!! Thank you!! I will correct myself in the future!

[@eddiecotter7201]

Very clever idea i have the same problem with ladders in my garage,i had been trying to think of ways to hang it from my ceiling and this video now has shown me how so thanks

[@Ray_Here]

Thanks! A few have commented that I have to use a step ladder to put my ladder away. You could add a pulley system to get around that. I sometimes only use my ladder for Christmas lights so it’s not worth the extra effort to put pulleys on it. Good luck with hanging yours!

[@marcyboeh7515]

Exactly the only time I use mine and agree that the pulley isn’t needed for my purpose. This is nice and simple and gets the job done. Thank you!

[@davidbucher1569]

Great idea and it looks good. Great video. Keep them coming.

[@Ray_Here]

Thank you. I appreciate the comment!

[@mattoonwrestler]

I like your bases, but I think I will change the roller end to a pulley system. Hook the one end to the rungs then pull it up with a pulley and no additional ladder is needed

[@Ray_Here]

Great idea. Let me know how it works out!

[@bobbnudd2502]

Great vid Thanks for taking the time to explain.

[@Ray_Here]

You’re welcome. I’m glad you found it useful!

[@edwardanguiano5241]

Wow! How to stowaway a ladder with a ladder! Brilliant!

[@Ray_Here]

Thanks. It’s my take on an idea I got from April Wilkerson’s channel. Check out her channel! Thanks again for the comment!

[@nunnaurbidznez3367]

Ray has a lot of patience with snarky comments. For many of us who actually get off of our butts and do things (rather than just trolling the internet looking for people to insult), we have several ladders. I have two extension ladders (like the one Ray was hanging in case you don't know what they are called), two step ladders, and one foldable ladder. I have a high ceiling in my garage. Put all that together and I, like many of us, would not need to go buy a ladder so that I could hang the other ones. Ray, thank you so much! I need to get these off the ground and hanging on the wall would take up the entire thing.

[@rek550]

Great idea explained in a simple and straightforward way. Thank you. Do you have a video on the making of that long storage unit next to the ladder?

[@Ray_Here]

Thanks for watching and commenting. I didn’t do a video about how I hung the overhead shelves. You’re the second person to ask about it though. If I have time, perhaps I can shoot a video walking through the steps to build it.

[@ramoncolon5333]

Thank you for this idea!

[@Ray_Here]

Thank you Ramon. You might want to check out the comments. A viewer posted an idea that just uses 4 J hooks that would work as well.

[@daveshanton485]

Great idea... getting closer to what I am looking to do. Appreciate your vid and the other suggestions.

[@Ray_Here]

Thank you!

[@suzye2681]

Thank you very well explain my husband will 💕 this

[@Ray_Here]

Thank you! I’m glad the video was useful!

[@hermant3474]

This is de idea I was looking for. Thank you very much. Your video could still be more helpful with a list of all the used components.

[@Ray_Here]

Thanks for the comment. I appreciate you pointing out how to make it better. I’m always trying to improve my videos.

[@simontang3272]

I like it. Good idea! I will make one in my pergola. Thanks!

[@Ray_Here]

Thanks! Glad it was helpful.

[@JanaHutchings]

Would be interested to try this in my van for my step ladders

[@Ray_Here]

Interesting. How big is your van? How would you attach to the ceiling?

[@hilariolara5352]

Pretty mart! Thank you for the idea!!

[@Ray_Here]

Thank you!

[@michellmorales1]

Such a great idea thank you 😊

[@Ray_Here]

Thanks! I appreciate the comment!

[@caron-bowman]

Thank you

[@Ray_Here]

You’re welcome. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@trakside1]

Brilliant idea, will be implimenting this next week. thanks :-)

[@Ray_Here]

Thanks! Good luck with the project!

[@trakside1]

@@Ray_Here just thought i would let you know, i used your idea and installed this in my garage, great idea and works a treat. thanks again

[@Ray_Here]

Thanks for letting me know Mike! I’m glad it worked out for you!

[@rodred8510]

Awesome wisdom thank you

[@Ray_Here]

THANK YOU!

[@daz4312]

I like it, but I have 2 folding ladders, an 8' fiberglass, and an aluminum fold-into-about-27-variations type ladder.... Both are wider at the bottom than the top, wider than the ceiling joists, and I really don't want to have to get one down to climb up and hang the other one.... I've got to find some way to hang it up from the floor. 9 1/2ft ceiling..... And there is a drop ceiling about 6-8 inches below the joists, so that's a bit of a b**ch too. But you gave me some great ideas to work with!!! Looking at one of those pulley systems they hang bicycles with....

[@Ray_Here]

The pulleys are a god idea. I’ve never heard of a dropped ceiling in a garage. That’s a PITA. Thanks for the comment and good luck!

[@asellers98]

Great job!

[@Ray_Here]

Thanks!

[@sumaran72]

That is genius... thanks for your help just subscribed

[@Ray_Here]

Thank you! Thanks for subbing as well!

[@geekie1]

Perfect. Thank you!

[@Ray_Here]

Thanks for the positive comment!

[@dannyo3317]

I am going to make this in the Spring. It seems like you really only need one hook, though.

[@Ray_Here]

I think one hook might work. Try it and add another, if you need to. Good luck with the project and thanks for watching. Let me know how it goes.

[@bogger44fl]

I’m going to do this thanks!

[@Ray_Here]

Thanks for the comment. I hope the project goes well. Let us know, if you do any mods that work better.

[@hlpursley5377]

Great idea 👍🏻

[@Ray_Here]

Thank you!

[@mocoyotzi11]

Solid!! 👍🏽

[@Ray_Here]

Thank you. It works pretty well.

[@AlexanderMichelson]

Thank you, sir!

[@Ray_Here]

You’re very welcome!

[@JohnR-nt4wt]

Genius! 👍🏻

[@Ray_Here]

Thank you John!

[@shanegreen268]

Thank you so much 👍

[@Ray_Here]

You are welcome. Thanks for commenting!

[@howardwillis7146]

Thanks for info.

[@Ray_Here]

You’re welcome! Thanks for the comment!

[@javiermtz12]

What about a pulley in between the 2 hooks? You wont need to climb a second ladder to hang it. Just place it in the roller, attach it to a cord coming from the pulley and all set!

[@Ray_Here]

That’s a really interesting idea! Thanks!

[@762531971]

Did you create a youtube video with this idea. I have a extension ladder, so each one of the ladders are 16 ft long. The spacing is stumped me so far might be able to post something soon.

[@durumarthu]

Awesome idea. I love it.

[@Ray_Here]

Thanks for letting me know!

[@d1ddyp0p]

Thanks I think I’ll make this!

[@Ray_Here]

Glad it was helpful and good luck with the project!

[@ayubmohammad4378]

smart idea.

[@Ray_Here]

Thank you for the nice comment!

[@BH-BH]

Clever

[@Ray_Here]

Thanks!

[@vincestevens8605]

Great idea. I have a question my garage ceiling is high could you use a pully system to lift the one end and how would you set it up.

[@Ray_Here]

Absolutely. Just make sure you have a secure tie off point for the pulley rope.

[@vincestevens8605]

@@Ray_Here Ray what would I use for my extension ladder. Eye bolt into the joist, then a pulley ?

[@Ray_Here]

Yes. I would have one pulley wheel directly above the ladder and another in the ceiling near a wall. Come out of the one above the ladder with a Y with two hooks to put on a ladder rung. I would attach one way rubber jaws on the wall and cleat tie off below that. Just thinking out loud here so you may want to do something different. Good luck!

[@vincestevens8605]

@@Ray_Here Great thanks Ray. One question what is a one way rubber jaw.

[@Ray_Here]

Look at this on amazon. It’s similar to what I’m thinking about. Lixada 2PCS Kayak Cam Cleat Boat Canoe Sailing Boat Dinghy Aluminum Cam Cleats Fast Entry Kayak Cleats You can probably find something similar in a big box hardware store.

[@danrandolph8517]

Thank you Ray for sharing your easy to do design. What diameter of threaded pipe and pvc did you use?

[@Ray_Here]

Thanks Dan. I used a 1/2” threaded and If I remember correctly, about a 1 1/4” pvc? Anything 1” - 2” should be fine.

[@HUFF-N-PUFF-2024]

I like your idea I think I'm going to try mine with hooks on both sides and forget the roller part

[@Ray_Here]

There is always a different way to do things. Good luck with your idea and please let me know how it works out.

[@HUFF-N-PUFF-2024]

@@Ray_Here actually after thinking about it I'm going to do it just like yours would almost be impossible to line it up perfect with hooks at both ends thank you for the great video

[@Ray_Here]

I was wondering how you would line it up but I didn’t want to discourage you from doing it differently. I’m glad the video was helpful.

[@motoboy37]

I like your method better than The Family Handyman's use of rollers at *both* ends. Your way ensures the ladder won't go sliding and fall off. Instead of a threaded rod/PVC combo for the one end's support, could I use a piece of 1x2, 2x2, or a dowel? My ladder isn't heavy and I don't think an aluminum-to-wood interface would create a lot of friction when hanging or removing the ladder. Thanks!

[@Ray_Here]

I think your concepts would work. I don’t like recommending things I haven’t tried though. Good luck and let me know what you end up doing and how it works. Thanks for the comment!

[@motoboy37]

@@Ray_Here I ended up doing a lazy version of your setup: For one end, I used a 2x4 instead of all-thread and PVC for the bottom piece. For the other support, I used one j-hook instead of two. Months later, my ladder is still happily (and safely?) supported. Thanks!

[@Ray_Here]

@@motoboy37 Great! I’m glad it worked out. I like the 2x4 as opposed to a 1x2 or 2x2. Thanks for letting me know!!!

[@jackdolido9876]

I will try it myself. Every time I think about how to keep it away and I got it

[@Ray_Here]

Great. I hope it works out for you!

[@Guzmania]

Sounds like a great idea, but you need a ladder to hang your even longer ladder. Any modification you can suggest to solve this garage issue ladder-free? Thanks

[@Ray_Here]

Sure. You could put in a pulley system. I feel more comfortable with the ladder securely hanging from the hooks. If you do something different, please share what it is.

[@orkayen]

Very simple idea would be just hanging the ladder on the side wall at knee height. No need for a ladder to hang it.

[@Ray_Here]

@@orkayen That’s true but in my case I have a lot of other things hanging on the wall. Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@philhode5104]

Cool man ,I'm doing this

[@Ray_Here]

Glad you like the idea. It works great. Thanks!

[@AmitroniX]

Thanks

[@Ray_Here]

You’re welcome.

[@hgodtx]

6:57 How to make a million dollars?!? First step, get a million dollars! How to put a ladder on the ceiling? First step, buy another ladder! Comedy aside, thanks so much for showing a simple solution with ordinary hardware!

[@Ray_Here]

Ha! Thanks for the comment! I get the ladder down so infrequently using a step ladder to do it isn’t a problem.

[@dontrompas1312]

Awsome

[@Ray_Here]

Thanks for taking the time to comment!

[@robinpeter145]

awesome

[@Ray_Here]

Thank you!!!

[@mattheweburns]

My aunt has it set up like this where two of the rolling PVC parts are just at arms reach so you get it started and roll it back gravity pulls it down to the next rollers and he push it forward. The only pitfall of yours is that you need a ladder to access your ladder :-)

[@Ray_Here]

Her setup sounds good. Thanks for sharing. Yes, my extension ladder is pretty high up. Since I rarely use it, I don’t care that I need a step stool to get it down. In fact, I’m thinking about just giving it away.

[@edwardw5387]

Great idea Ray! I wonder did you use lock washers?

[@Ray_Here]

Thanks. I did not use lock washers.

[@edwardw5387]

@@Ray_Here Ray- My garage ceiling is 11 ft tall so I constructed the Hanging structure using 2-24 inch 2x4s and attempted to use a 2x4 mounting block for the hooks, but there is just too much of an angle to hang the extension ladder. Do you have any ideas how I can mount the hook down about a foot to make the ladder more level?

[@Ray_Here]

Maybe you could make a rectangular frame out of 2x4’s. Lag bolt the frame to your ceiling joists. Then mount your hooks to that frame? Another option is to mount a few pulley wheels to hoist the ladder up. Then put a tie off on the wall. I’ve actually though this second idea would be good. I just don’t use the ladder enough to bother. In fact, I’m considering giving my ladder away as my wife doesn’t want my old butt up high on my house anyway. If you have other thoughts about how you might solve your issue, feel free to bounce them off me. I’m sure you will figure something out. Share what you do. It might help others.

[@edwardw5387]

@@Ray_Here Thanks again Ray! I was contemplating your first option as I didn't really want a tie off for a pulley. And I appreciate your quick responses. I'll let you know my final design.😀

[@shannonmarie6227]

Thanks for this video, very helpful. Can you tell me what size angle irons you used? Thanks much!!

[@Ray_Here]

I’m not home so I’ll guess 3”? Thanks for watching!

[@Znatnhos]

Seems odd to have to use a ladder to hang your ladder from the ceiling... I might try doing this but with a pulley to lift the end which could be tied off to a cleat on the wall. Anybody else tried something similar?

[@Ray_Here]

I get that comment a lot. I usually only use the extension ladder for Xmas lights so this method works for me. I think pulleys would be great. Maybe we will get some comments on that front.

[@pillaryclinton6187]

But you still have to have a ladder to put your ladder up

[@Ray_Here]

True but I use my extension ladder so infrequently, I don’t care. It’s more important to me that it’s out of the way.

[@waynespringer4328]

Good Idea. WayneO

[@Ray_Here]

Thanks!!

[@Ironbuket]

Great method, I think Ill use this in my garage, But, having the brackets on different sides ( 4:53 ) triggered my OCD :P

[@Ray_Here]

Ha! I had to go back and watch that to see what you meant. I agree! Usually I like symmetry too! It just worked out that way. Thanks for the comment!

[@chipchrisman5240]

My ladder is much heavier than yours appears-I believe mine ways over 50lbs Louiville ladder/300lb rated). What is your opinion on fasteners for my ladder? Are your fasteners sufficient?

[@Ray_Here]

I would think so but I’m not a weight bearing expert. You could go with heavier hardware on the roller side. The hooks on the other side should be ok. Check the weight limit when you buy them.

[@Pyui85]

Nnice 👌🏾….

[@Ray_Here]

Thank you! I appreciate the comment!

[@nboldrini]

No need for two hooks. One straight into the joist should suffice.

[@Ray_Here]

You offer a goos alternative! Thanks for the comment!

[@zafraf4071]

Good idea but what if your joists run the other way

[@Ray_Here]

You could use a 1x4 as your base. Screw that into the joists at a 90° angle and then screw your ladder hanging structure to that. I think that would work.

[@jackiemartling]

where do u store the ladder that u used to mount the other ladder?

[@Ray_Here]

Under the overhead shelves.

[@thefpvlife7785]

Much easier if you mount 2 hooks on ropes/cables at each end. Done

[@Ray_Here]

Not following. Do you mean like a pulley system? Thanks for the idea.

[@FawziBreidi]

We need a ladder to get to the ladder. where do i hang the other one you used?

[@Ray_Here]

If you read the comments, you will see that I’ve answered that question a number of times. Thanks for watching!

[@wilcoxtactical3716]

Thats great but my garage ceiling is 15" tall.

[@Ray_Here]

That does create a challenge. How about a pulley system?

[@762531971]

My ceiling must be lower, having a heck of a time to get the second half aka hooks to hang low enough to have space between ceiling and hooks catching the last rung of the ladder.

[@Ray_Here]

Try sliding the extension out a bit. Then only hang the rung closest to the ceiling. I hope that works! If not, you will have to find a way to make the hooks hang lower by adding blocks to the ceiling and then putting the hooks in the blocks. Good luck!

[@762531971]

@@Ray_Here thinking just make a second set just like the first set and go from there.

[@malkiatsingh3297]

Great job but my ceiling is 10am half feet

[@Ray_Here]

Mine is 10’ as well. That’s why I need a small step ladder to get it down and put it away. I don’t use it very frequently so It’s not a problem. Thanks for the comment!

[@crosstheredlineagain]

so you need a ladder to get a ladder.....i need to buy a second one for this to work with my original one.

[@Ray_Here]

I get that comment a lot. I used my 6’ ladder to put the extension ladder away because I used it to put the pieces on the ceiling. I also keep a step stool in the garage which is what I always use to get the extension ladder down.

[@ToonTatto]

A ladder to get a ladder how do we store the other ladder and do we need a ladder for that ladder?

[@Ray_Here]

Ha! Great observation! I usually my ladder once or twice a year so using a step latter to get it down I’d worth the effort. One of my viewers is going to use this concept but add a pulley system. I may try that myself. Thanks for the bit of humor. I accept your premise.

[@daveshanton485]

Infinite loop :) would that create a hole in the universe?

[@nowayjose20]

A wooden dowel would do the same thing. And a fraction of the price.

[@Ray_Here]

Good suggestion!

[@andybrace4983]

Fab...you.....las

[@Ray_Here]

Thank you!

[@Wrench_Warrior]

Use wood instead of threaded rod

[@Ray_Here]

Good suggestion. Thanks!

[@mourisyounan9998]

You still need a ladder to hang a ladder to the ceiling?!

[@Ray_Here]

Dont use my extension ladder very often so I don’t care. I do use my light 3 step ladder often so I keep it on the wall. You can add a pulley system to get around that. Not worth the time and effort for me.

[@marthagarcia6280]

Yea, but you need a ladder to get the ladder

[@Ray_Here]

True, but I have a small 3 step lightweight ladder for that. I only used the 6’ ladder as I had it out to put the hardware on the ceiling.

[@bobfallis]

So, you need a ladder to put your other ladder away.

[@Ray_Here]

Ironic huh?

[@age_of_reason]

I wouldnt store a ladder in a place that could potentially kill someone. Wall is much safer.

[@Ray_Here]

Wall may be safer indeed. Thanks for watching and commenting with your thoughts.