Lady of Vines vs. Warsong Revenant: Finding the Best Sylvaneth Hero!

[@anthonykiousopoulos8872]

One mistake, it is +1 to unbind and banish for the Warsong, not -1 for the the enemy's rolls. "Add 1 to unbinding rolls and banishment rolls for this unit while it is wholly within 6" of any Awakened Wyldwoods."

[@gammafighter]

Thanks for pointing that out! I must have gotten it confused with the -1 wards aura!

[@ferixo5161]

Man I don't even play sylvaneth, but you present info in such a fun to listen to way

[@gammafighter]

Thank you! That means a lot to hear!

[@ChaseCrossing]

LoV even getting one single Health more would buff her immensely for a Lords of the Clan build with Alarielle. It would allow he to be revived which would really place her ahead of WSR in that singular case.

[@gammafighter]

That one extra health point would do a lot of work!

[@spiritofgroot1999]

Awwww you got my hopes up for LoV from the previous episodes. My only counter at the moment is that if you run a lot of kurnoth, they’ll get the 6+ on objectives anyway - so no extra bonus. That’s about it haha

[@gammafighter]

Hopefully we can get some changes in the battle tome if not the next battle scroll update. It's a great model with really cool abilities. The shooting weakness is just really too much to ignore. I will probably still run her and Warsong together in casual games!

[@spiritofgroot1999]

@@gammafighter well she can be brought back by the queen with 2 wounds now but the warsong is 10 points cheaper haha

[@gammafighter]

@@spiritofgroot1999 Look at that timing! BIG rules update. Hoping I can make a video on it tomorrow! I've definitely been thinking about it all day, lol.

[@anthonykiousopoulos8872]

I played Soulblight vs 60 Graveguard (lost by 4!), and the -1 to wards of the Warsong was clutch! Initially I was very pro Lady of Vines but lately in my lists I take the Warsong.

[@gammafighter]

Thanks for sharing your experience. Sounds like a fun game! That -1 to ward rolls is sooooo good against certain armies. I was really blinded by LoV when the faction pack was first released, but Warsong might be the real MVP.

[@arvarion5151]

Great video yet again! Still love the lady of vines. Maybe she will see more play in lords of the clan lists as she does count as a monster.

[@gammafighter]

Thank you! I love LoV as well. For fun games, I'm still happy to include her, but if I'm doing my best to win, I will usually choose Warsong over her.

[@anthonykiousopoulos8872]

Another point for the Warsong is that because his ward is an ability, it frees up a spell slot for him. With the LoV you know that one of her spells is always the +5 ward. So for example, a Warsong and a Branchwych have 3 spells. One Warsong spell is kept for an Endless spell, one for the Treesong and the Brachwych is there to cast treesong if needed otherwise she casts one of the other spells/endless spells. With the LoV and a Branchwych, you do not have the luxury of the extra cast. One is the Ward, one the endless and one treesong. No flexibility.

[@gammafighter]

That's a great point! If you have to save one cast for LoV's warscroll spell, it effectively makes her a 2-cast wizard compared to Warsong.

[@HardyHeath]

The warsong revenant adds +1 to unbind and banish rolls, so it's a buff for him, not a debuff for the enemy

[@gammafighter]

Thanks for pointing that out! I added a correction in the description. I reviewed the Warscroll as I was making the slides for the video and I just totally biffed it for some reason, lol.

[@HardyHeath]

Your comparison was still very good. LotV feels very underpowered for her role. I've tried both of them in several games and the warsong fits the wizard role very well. And as you've said, the points saved almost always gives you a unit of tree revenants or gossamid archers

[@l337haxz0rn00b]

In order to be guarded the rev needs to be baby sat by a unit. Lady of vines might be a monster but you can't shoot her if she's in wood. Rev can be shot in the woods because it flys. I think this means the lady is actually cheaper if you care about keeping them safe. Also lady counts as a wood so she will auto-heal herself if she does get caught out and survives.

[@gammafighter]

That's a good point. I really like the Lady of Vines, so I'm ok with hiding her in the woods against some matchups. She doesn't need to be out in the open to function, plus the AWW we summon are obscuring so we can choose where to hide her. I don't think that's a big downside for the Warsong Revenant, though. I definitely want to babysit him since he's so weak, lol.

[@afairy]

I play LoV, not because she's good or better, but in the hopes she gets changed to count for all awakened wyldwood needing abilities.

[@gammafighter]

That would be a great buff. I was surprised they changed that from 3rd edition. Even just the combo that it unlocks with Dryads and spellcasting would be huge!

[@bianerovcorbulo5354]

if you look page 24 of the GHB you''ll see that the guarded heroes rules doesn't apply for monster and warmachine.

[@gammafighter]

Oh, I see- I misread the exclusion text on the rule. Thanks for pointing that out! Sometimes I'll re-read the rule before I make a video to make sure I have it correct, but then by re-reading I actually misinterpret it, lol.

[@bianerovcorbulo5354]

@@gammafighter I’ve made the same mistake, because if you only watch on the app, the rule doesn’t specify "except monsters and war machines "

[@melchoriuz8116]

I would love to see an improvement here by comparison the roles in the games. They are so different that a comparison makes no sense in my opinion. Pure stats are not really helpful-

[@gammafighter]

I think it was worth taking a look at because they are both support wizards who can provide wards to nearby allies. Do you have any specifics on what I could have changed? I'm happy to learn! Thanks for watching and sharing your feedback!