Battlescroll Update Dec 2024: How the New Rules Impact Sylvaneth!

Emergency video with my immediate thoughts on the December 2024 Battlescroll update!
Double Turn Rules changes
Seasonal Rules changes
Drycha / Spite Revenant changes
Tree Lord / TLA changes
And the many many possibilities that lie before us as Sylvaneth players!
Link to my Damage and Durability spreadsheet (make a copy for your personal use):
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[@gammafighter]

I originally recorded this video normally and it was taking many many hours to upload. I ran this through an encoder and uploaded it in just 10 minutes. Let me know if the quality tanks!

[@xavierwong1889]

Great video, the image quality seems fine to me. Really looking forward to playing more spite revs and twistweld. Desperately trying to find a way to play without Belthanos since I can’t decide how to paint the beetle

[@Healadin]

@@xavierwong1889 Oh, the stress of chosing a color scheme! I experience the same thing, resulting in a lot of grey armies 😅

[@xavierwong1889]

It’s a good point on the rev efficiency, but to me the conversation isn’t on the efficiency of an arch rev added to a reinforced unit, but instead a regular unit plus the rev vs a reinforced unit. Gives an extra quick unit, slightly cheaper, and still has decent enough damage to punch up into a lot of flank skirmishes

[@gammafighter]

Yeah, if you don't have enough points available to add another unit of Kurnoths or reinforce an existing one, an Arch Rev is a cheaper way to boost the damage. If we're talking about just one unit of Kurnoth Scythes, we might also consider the Arch Rev's damage and tanking capabilities. At that point, the extra 1-2 damage she brings will make a pretty significant percentage increase. But at that point, you might be better off bringing Dryads to screen, Gossamids to harass, Spite Revenants to screen, etc. It might be worth, but there is lots to consider. The model looks fantastic though! So if you just want to put it on the table, it's definitely worth it!

[@phillytalent1051]

Great Takes on the new rules!

[@xEternalEnigmax]

So glad there is potential for other lists, been wanting to get into the army but I don't care for lists with most of the points sunk into heroes.

[@gammafighter]

I'm exactly the same way. I wouldn't mind running a bunch of Tree Lords, but having 2 heroes make up over the half the army isn't my style. Are you currently playing with a different list?

[@solosam47]

I’m really happy with the points on sylvaneth now. This really opened up the field! I’m wanting to build my 2k around lady of vines so all thumbs up here.

[@gammafighter]

She's one of my favorites! If you find a list that does well, be sure to share it!

[@Healadin]

Making your own list, would it be any good or fun to run a block of 20 Dryads and/or 10 Spite revs and give them "Special Assignment" for increased rend. Comboed with the spell to add rend to an AWW, they can actually hit surprisingly hard. If you run "Forrest Folk" they even go up to 3 rend! Dryads being a Bodyguard and having 2 rend (spell and "sub-faction"), being -1 to hit and wound and being -1 attack makes them SO durable, and in return they will do damage to those that choose to charge them surprising your opponent. Guarding a WSR or Lady, you could even factor in a ward save on top of all the debuffs.

[@gammafighter]

That sounds like a meme, but it also sounds incredibly fun and annoying, lol. It's possible that mass dryads standing on objectives with 3-piece AWW giving a huge -1 to hit and -1 to wound aura, LoV and Warsong giving wards and stacking rend is the optimal strategy, but we will never find out because no one wants to buy, build, and paint 80 dryads. Nobody can hit you and you just kill them with 164 papercuts and 50 objective control on each point. You should try it on Tabletop Simulator!

[@alejandrosandoval4066]

Uhh!!! The promised video! Hahaha im going to watch it right now!

[@ramonruiperez906]

What a good video

[@earnestwanderer2471]

Take what you like... hope for the best, or use loaded dice if you really care about winning 😁

[@gammafighter]

I don't care if I lose, as long as my army looked totally sweet doing it!

[@PartNinja]

Crazy idea here - get rid of the double turn... Appreciate your videos. I'm coming over from 40k and going Sylvaneth as my first army.

[@earnestwanderer2471]

GW is clearly trying to get rid of the double turn, without actually getting rid of the double turn, by discouraging players from taking it. The result is increased nonsense to keep track of... am I the underdog? By how much? Etc.

[@Cerve909090]

​@@earnestwanderer2471 Because in AoS the double was just stupid. These are great changes. In AoS3 good players were not picking the double if they were not sure to slam on it, because now its opponent turn to get the opportunity for a double. In AoS4 you were pushed to pick the double, because your oppo will NOT take it for the sake of battletactics. So you were doing your double, and the oppo were not doing it (because he is low in points now and cannot afford to sacrifice a BT). That was silly and completely unfair, and AoS4 was becoming a stupid game where the first do the double the first is winning. NOW, with these changes, picking the double is again a choiche that requires good planning and execution. Finally we can use the brain again.

[@jasonmangelsen7136]

I think Arch rev buffs Belthanos as well, not sure if it helps make them relevant or not though, lol.

[@gammafighter]

Good point! I always forget about Belthanos being Kurnothi. But his damage is lower than a reinforced unit of Scythes, so the efficiency results would be worse than when the Arch Rev buffs 2 units of Scythes. Unless you bring 2 units of Scythes and Belthanos and keep them all within her range.