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the BRUTAL take down of a Hans Christian 38T - Ep 237 - Lady K Sailing

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Lady K Sailing

Lady K Sailing

Күн бұрын

This week we talk about a cheap sailboat - a Hans Christian 38T for $37,000 US dollars when a good one is $130,000. What's wrong with the boat? Why is it so cheap? Does it need a new marine diesel engine? Does it need new sails? Can you buy a bad boat and fix it up to go sailing?
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@DefaultUser61
@DefaultUser61 Жыл бұрын
Video idea: list of the tools you bring on a cruise/passing. Love your content, keep it up!
@reellove6710
@reellove6710 Жыл бұрын
Another great video Tim. From your video, I believe that there might be a surface compass in the pedestal. That being said, after owning boats for 50+ years, here is my rule of thumb: Make an estimate of what you anticipate it will cost you to put your new toy into seaworthy condition. Then multiply that figure by two. The do not be disappointed when you find out that the actual cost was twice that number. And don't forget the aggravation from not being able to find parts, scraped knuckles, knocked noggin, and just about everything else you will do to yourself. If you're going to have to do heavy repairs, figure in a trip or two to the hospital for good measure. Then there is the time. Ahhh the time working on Serenity and not on the water sailing. Triple all estimates. For whatever it is worth, I thought you were being kind with your $100K estimate. I was more than double your figure and that was before outfitting for safety items (life raft, EPIRB, MOM, life jackets, harnesses, etc.). All in all, I have found that it is far less expensive to buy a boat where someone else has done all of the work that is ready to go. Even then you are going to find stuff that will need your attention. Thanks again.
@f0ster444
@f0ster444 6 ай бұрын
I’m the guy who acquired this boat. The assessment wasn’t bad but off on many major issues. The sails for example were quite new (5 years old Norrh Sails). The engine has 5000 hours but runs great, minus the raw water inlet pump that was trashed and needed replacing. The interior took about a week of sweat time to get right: all the hardware was I. The boat. A new stove was free on craigslist with tanks. the decks need resealing or removing, will do this job later this summer. They leak in three places. The compass pedestal needed sealing up. And yes there was a compass because it’s a worm gear set up. New compass and pedestal guard cost $300 from Minnie’s and a face book marketplace. Bottom needs paint but no blisters, will do this in a few months. Chain plates leak and need replacing or restoring TBD on that one. the fiberglass scratch’s are not cracks and will be a few days of glass work, sanding and painting. The boat had some nice VDO gauges on board and I’ll have an electronics package put in soon. All in all this boat with parts and buying it will cost me $15-$20k. I bought it for $5k after some asshole stole the dodger (the police know who it is). So yeah all you guys who were scared of this boat missed out on a diamond in the rough. This wasn’t my first Taiwanese blue water boat, I fully restored an amazing Norseman 447 a few years ago too. So I know what I’m doing. This HC needs work for sure but they’re built so incredibly well and this boat will be worth more than what I paid when I’m done. Thanks to Lady K for the review but it wasn’t accurate and for a little sweat equity this boat will be a beauty again in a matter of months.
@paultrott3120
@paultrott3120 4 ай бұрын
So you bought a boat that was listed for $37k for $5k because the dodger was stolen? 🤔
@lombasto
@lombasto 3 ай бұрын
Can you show us some update pics when it's done?
@akaszd_fel_magad
@akaszd_fel_magad 9 күн бұрын
And you made wishes to a jin too...
@akaszd_fel_magad
@akaszd_fel_magad 9 күн бұрын
If you can do work that costs me for like $70k (just parts), for $10k-$15k, then I happily pay to do the work, you can earn profit too, assuming that the job will be done in the same quality as I do myself...
@bowdezaufa2609
@bowdezaufa2609 Жыл бұрын
I purchased a HC33 last year in close to this condition. I've replaced the entire teak deck with fiberglass and gelcoat. New yanmar 30hp and am 3 months into completely rebuilding the companion way. Next will be the bottom job and new chain plates. I can see how this would be scary to people that do not know how to do the work. But for other that love these boats ..it's a labor of love.
@mikemalone2834
@mikemalone2834 Жыл бұрын
What happened to the Southern Cross 31 review?
@zzzsydneyhom1379
@zzzsydneyhom1379 Жыл бұрын
I have a 1986 HC 43T that I bought cheaply and refurbished and you are as usual way off the mark Mr. Lady K. Why people actually think that your opinions are worthwhile is a mystery... 1. The wooden blocks that you criticise as being a showpiece are actually 316 stainless steel blocks with ornamental teak cheeks. I added one recently and the 2023 versions are exactly identical and are fully functional. 2. The deck on all Hans Christians were originally 1 inch old growth Burmese teak. I sanded mine down, and replaced the screws and sikaflex, which took me a month to do, and now it looks like new, and is almost ¾ inch, which is thicker than a newly laid teak deck, which is typically ½ inch. 3. I replaced my pressurised alcohol stove with a modern alcohol stove and oven, which cost $700, because I didn't want gas on a yacht with deep bilges. I love my stove! 4. The original heads on Hans Christians were Raritan not Jabsco. I rebuilt one of mine this year with a kit that was easily available and cost $82 and it works perfectly. The second head on my yacht works fine... 5. There was no Black Water tank on these yachts, and all yachts of this era were pump outs. Your ignorance of this fact is staggering and very revealing... 6. My engine is the original Mercedes Diesel and is still going strong. A compression and mechanical check will easily tell what you can't tell by eyeballing it. Without seeing it in the flesh, this yacht looks like a steal to me, and if you put off the poor people who trusted you, you have done them a great disservice. If you are reading this potential buyers, I suggest that this yacht is a gift, and if you are at all handy, and have some time, you can have a fabulous yacht for possibly six months work, and maybe ten to twenty grand as long as the engine checks out ok. I love my Hans Christian and it has never let me down, having sailed all around Australia and the Pacific for the past 9 years...
@roadboat9216
@roadboat9216 Жыл бұрын
Agree with what you are saying. I have owned 5 pretty serous cruising boats. Up to 46’. A school that I taught sailing for in San Francisco, had a HC 38. The most noteworthy memory on it was when I was coming back in the approaches to the GG Bridge from off shore. We hit the ebb unfortunately. Which set up some steep 3+ meter seas. We were sailing dead down Wind with standard sail. The note worthy part is how the boat tracked in those conditions………like it was on rails. You could let go of the helm for minutes. Never sailed a boat that could do that in these conditions. My Alberg 35 would take a good amount of steering, My K Peterson 44 would too MY Cal 46 was the best for this but that HC 38 could really track, but did have a heavy helm. 15 grand? Yeah 25 yrs ago. Been there done that. Ha ha. Nice boat for a younger person with good ambition and some knowledge.
@thomas_dries
@thomas_dries Жыл бұрын
It's funny, this specific boat is on my favorites list on Boat Trader and as someone who knows nothing about boats it looked totally fine to me. If I had the money fully saved up, I may have even considered buying this one. After seeing this video it's clear to me I still have a lot to learn.
@zzzsydneyhom1379
@zzzsydneyhom1379 Жыл бұрын
I have critiqued Mr Lady K's list of flaws above, so have a look mate. If I was near the west coast of the USA and wanted a new yacht I would seriously consider buying this yacht, after having already refurbished an unloved one. These are literally built like Brick Shithouses...
@zzzsydneyhom1379
@zzzsydneyhom1379 Жыл бұрын
@@antoncarmoducchi6057 No information is better than bad information, masquerading as expert opinion...
@Mar-vu9nx
@Mar-vu9nx Жыл бұрын
Hi Synthulhu_Modular. I have one H.C. It will need some repairs. It is in central America. Did you have some time. For sailing during a few weeks. I would like to go to French Guiana. Repairs will start around end of september. 2/3 months.
@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24
@bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24 Жыл бұрын
@@antoncarmoducchi6057 How's yours?
@louisfbrooks
@louisfbrooks Жыл бұрын
Really interesting walk through of a potential boat purchase. I would like to see more of these.
@danratsnapnames
@danratsnapnames Жыл бұрын
please make more video's about boats to stay away from and things to watch out for.. its very usefull for those of us trying to save and trying to judge what we can or cannot afford..
@doningle9352
@doningle9352 Жыл бұрын
I refinished the brightwork on an old Tollycraft half that size. That was 25 years ago, but I feel the pain as if it were yesterday. I love the Hans Christian boats, but I wouldn’t touch this one with a whisker pole. and I absolutely agree about your assessment of double Enders in general. Solid content sir as always. Keep up the good work!
@user-lk3dg3vl7w
@user-lk3dg3vl7w Жыл бұрын
Great Vid Tim. Maybe next one should be on dealing with mould on a boat and the damage it causes. Rectification works required. George
@talllivingsmall
@talllivingsmall Жыл бұрын
This is the most informative, honest, and helpful post I’ve seen in a while. You need to want a long difficult project and enjoy doing work more than sailing otherwise expect to be in boat yard hell. Oh, don’t forget yard fees and transportation costs to a yard where you are allowed to do the work yourself!
@ClintWadsworth
@ClintWadsworth Жыл бұрын
Several sailboats were in a horseshoe bay. Early in the morning the wind came up directly into the bay. My friend got going and warned the others. Everyone got going and sailed away to the next destination. The exception was the Hans Christian that came in 24 hours after everone else. It was a relatively short leg. The skipper said he almost lost the boat because it couldn't tack out of the bay until condiions lightened. This has been my experience with this model. So, don't count on doing anything but tradewind sailing. Otherwise you will be disappointed and motoring home.
@peterllewellyn8835
@peterllewellyn8835 Жыл бұрын
I bought an 84 HC 38 ten years ago. Look out for the six hardwood blocks that lie between the chain plates and the hull interior. Mine were rotting due to rain water ingress. Hard to replace. Also rot under the bowsprit. Plus assume the balsa deck and cabin top cores have rotted due to water ingress through the teak screws. Plus check the sink drain area which is around the waterline and once compromised by rust can slowly sink your boat even in a Marina. Otherwise the HC is wonderful, particularly as a live aboard.
@fredmercury1314
@fredmercury1314 Жыл бұрын
This boat looks like a boat someone bought to renovate, before they realised how much work it was going to take to renovate.
@shanechostetler9997
@shanechostetler9997 Жыл бұрын
Not to mention the cost😊
@stephenhunter70
@stephenhunter70 Жыл бұрын
It's that or it was brought as an "investment" and not to actually use! Which brings to mind the (sarcastic) definition of B'O'A'T!
@NorthSideNorm
@NorthSideNorm Жыл бұрын
Smaller boats sub 30ft. They aren't as roomy but can and do get the job done. Great video as usual and always looking forward to the next one.
@jaysonlima7196
@jaysonlima7196 7 ай бұрын
Cruised on and off on a Catalina 30 for about a decade (pretty much all of my 30s) definitely doable especially if you keep the crew small and live simple.
@pootsman6722
@pootsman6722 Жыл бұрын
Video idea: Boat with all the gear already on vs none. So maybe one with water maker, solar, lithium, arch, davits etc vs naked standard boat and whether you actually save money. Do you save, or is it in the price of the listing!?
@kenjones4167
@kenjones4167 Жыл бұрын
Been following you for some time and absolutely love your videos. You were spot on with this vid and I was more than impressed. Keep up the good work.
@jackwalby6257
@jackwalby6257 Жыл бұрын
Deck project is huge manageable. Having done a recore on a Pearson 31 the owner discovered that doing a Plasdeck refit was cheaper than the yard doing a awlgrip non skid job. The out come was fabulous. Engine wise I've become a fan of Beta diesel replacement. I as broker sold a Tayana 37 that had davits on its stern and they worked great. All about the intended use. Crossing oceans I'm still a Swan fan. A motorsailor episode would be great.
@CaptainAction
@CaptainAction Жыл бұрын
Hi Tim, it’s at my marina and will take a look at it next week after I get back from the island :)
@patraic5241
@patraic5241 Жыл бұрын
This one is right on the edge. If you are someone who has all the needed skills and experience in rebuilding a sailing vessel (as opposed to refitting) and burning desire to save this one then maybe. Sadly this one looks to be past the point of no return for most folks. There are $30k boats out there in Way better condition that are better candidates for refit. You might as well build one from scratch.
@ChrisHarding-lk3jj
@ChrisHarding-lk3jj Жыл бұрын
When buying anything that needs massive repairs the best way to look at it is can it be done for nearly the same price as one ready to go. The main difference is everything will be new on the one needing repairs and the one that is ready to go you still don't know how much life is left in the parts and systems.
@hxhdfjifzirstc894
@hxhdfjifzirstc894 Жыл бұрын
Plus it'll be done the way YOU want... but it seems like a lot of work, just to break even. Maybe a better idea for someone's second or third boat (when they already know what they want and what they hate).
@RonaldJHElzenga
@RonaldJHElzenga Жыл бұрын
Thanks, great review. Next? You did teak deck headaches?! ;-) What to do about leakages?..temporary solutions and the better permanent ones. Moisture on board? Sail a longkeeler backwards well? All kind of positions for your dinghy..the pro and conts?
@somebody1869
@somebody1869 Жыл бұрын
Episode idea: Considering Sailing Uma has proven that long distance voyaging, long term living aboard an electrically propelled boat is possible, do you think there is a practical use case in an electric conversion of coastal cruiser that seasonally does the ICW and crossing to the Bahamas on an electric boat? Whether it’s possible is no longer up for debate. Only the matter of is it practical? Ignoring cost for a moment, what would you feel is required to safely take you and your family across the Gulf Stream and through the islands and back.
@hxhdfjifzirstc894
@hxhdfjifzirstc894 Жыл бұрын
Not up for debate? I reject the idea on its face.
@somebody1869
@somebody1869 Жыл бұрын
@@hxhdfjifzirstc894 the fact that it has been done proves that it’s possible. Uma has multiple ocean crossings under their belt. I still don’t think it’s practical since i know what these systems cost. However, having converted my sailboat to electric 9 years ago, I also know the benefits of a fully integrated system. In my mind, I t’s not practical on two counts: 1) cost. A decent, reliable in all conditions electric propulsion system is more expensive than a diesel. 2) at this point, it still requires a bit too much from the boat owner in terms of in-depth knowledge of how the system functions. But then again, if they can liberate the space in their brain occupied by diesel engine maintenance regimes, they could probably fill it with the details of their specific system, like knots-to-watts tables and the increased need for marinas and slips with power available for charging en route.
@amunderdog
@amunderdog Жыл бұрын
About 100k for refit was my thought also. Plus the cost of labor, hardstand, Living where the boat is. Probably better be prepared for 200K.
@williewonka6694
@williewonka6694 Жыл бұрын
I bought a Baba 35 on Ebay in much worse shape than this for 26k. Five years of refit she is a head-turner and sails beautifully. Hopefuly, someone with the money, time, skill and drive will get this boat, instead of a penny-pinching pipe dreamer. Those people ruin boats.
@charliemcgrain
@charliemcgrain Жыл бұрын
Same as buying a car: what you save upfront you pay out over time. If you enjoy the work and your objective is to work on the boast rather than sail then you can save a ton of money and just add an extension to the kitchen in your house. That said, you will really get to know the boat by doing all of the work yourself, she will be a true friend and you will need a friend since your wife will have left you for a guy who remodels kitchens.
@davidherr7085
@davidherr7085 Жыл бұрын
Another great educational video, thanks! I have learned so much from these episodes that I take notes. ...I would love to see you make a video about the perfect island hoping sailboat for older novice sailors who want to retire and sail off into the Caribbean. One that is comfortable, safe, easy to handle, and is less then 100k. I'm being selfish and want you to pick a boat for my wife and I. lol. I imagine Bennetou will be the one you might pick.
@Monkeywrenchmotorcycles
@Monkeywrenchmotorcycles Жыл бұрын
I bought a very similar project earlier this year, a 1980 Baba 30, and I think your assessments are correct if your talking about a typical “pay to do anything on your boat” type person. For someone with any skills it’s a good buy. I did a lot of work myself on mine and saved quite a bit, only relegating the work I couldn’t do myself, to experts ie bottom paint. It definitely won’t end up any cheaper than buying a ready to cruise boat but I’ll know every part of it by the end and can fix things the right way and buy the best parts since I’m not spending it all at once. The boats in the water and sailing currently but it’s still a work in progress
@madman2803
@madman2803 Жыл бұрын
For the record, the designer of the Baba 30, Robert Perry, is still active and available for designing and consulting work. He is very approachable and extremely knowledgeable.
@LouisBackover
@LouisBackover Жыл бұрын
Got the Baba30 too. It's actually the one featured on YT "Learning The Lines" ep 114. Not a lot of maintenance to deal with yet thankfully. Sailed her home 1600 miles solo.
@Monkeywrenchmotorcycles
@Monkeywrenchmotorcycles Жыл бұрын
@@LouisBackover awesome. Yeah I had to finish the repower from the original VP to a Beta 20, new stuffing box, new bottom paint, new head, and some other stuff. She’s sailing now and working on replacing the old running rigging and putting new electronics on her. It’s SOOO fun to get all 3 sails out and get her moving along at 7kt!
@Dryer_Safe
@Dryer_Safe Жыл бұрын
The way I would look at it, is - what is the hull condition, what would be a fair price for a barebones hull in that condition, and what else can be salvaged. As Captain Q would say, 10 points because it floats. It is clearly a project boat. On the other hand, how turnkey - really - is the 130K one? I very much doubt you can easily find a true turnkey blue water sailboat on the used market. There will be some amount of refitting no matter the starting price.
@dougjohnson1199
@dougjohnson1199 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting! I've considered both of these boats, and after rebuilding a Cheoy Lee Cadet some years ago, I'd opt for the more expensive one. Amazing how I drooled over both these boats for a week or so, only to find your video.
@susanc.8009
@susanc.8009 Жыл бұрын
Exterior teak on an old boat is likely very grainy and if the boat was kept in a hot climate, it is probably also moldy. Teak trim can be made to look good with epoxy and paint, but a deck of it will likely have to be pulled up and there well may be rot in the deck caused by the many screw holes.
@JK-photo77
@JK-photo77 Жыл бұрын
I saw this pop up as well and contemplated how long it would be before it was relisted for 50k after someone thought they could do all the work. If you had a place to work on it and had a 10 year plan when to sail it, there is your boat.
@thepigwillfly5869
@thepigwillfly5869 Жыл бұрын
The compass isn't "missing", it looks like a Edson steering pedestal with the top removed. Notice the wheel isn't mounted, that is why. The compass would sit in the missing portion of the pedestal.
@troyortego4655
@troyortego4655 6 ай бұрын
sailed across the sea of cortez in an Albin Ballad along with an HC 38... gale force winds... we surfed with wind on the quarter up to 12 knots... hand steering on the tiller of course.. hove to for a bit during the night to get some rest... pulled into Mazatlan and they were rattled... surprised by that...she being so well equipped... perhaps we just got lucky...
@teddybearisms2505
@teddybearisms2505 2 ай бұрын
Even the little 33s are nice, 2 good sized beds. Nice forwards head with a real shower.
@kimonharamis7812
@kimonharamis7812 10 ай бұрын
I live in Long Beach. Next time I go paddle boarding, I’ll check it out.
@MrCybernick
@MrCybernick Жыл бұрын
What are your up coming plans are you off to the bahamas this year . Do please let us all know..
@johnhayes3314
@johnhayes3314 Жыл бұрын
Keeping in mind that buying a sail-ready boat means you can finance it as ready, otherwise your 100k out of pocket.
@hansjensen7823
@hansjensen7823 Жыл бұрын
Chainplates, new wiring, plumbing, prop and shaft, cushions, bottom work, it’s a huge pass by me even if it was free.
@TheFossilFiend
@TheFossilFiend Жыл бұрын
nothing is more expensive than a free boat!
@SailingCISO-ty1lm
@SailingCISO-ty1lm Жыл бұрын
Too much stuff to fix agreed. Good analysis. It's so easy to fall in love with how they look and logic goes out the window. 130k and two years later your still working on it. Just coordinating yard time can be challenging.
@nigelwolstenholme9835
@nigelwolstenholme9835 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I am currently in the market for a 40ft + boat. I am going to go look at a carter 42, a racing cruiser, and this has certainly given me food for thought. Best regards, Nigel.
@mikenagy938
@mikenagy938 7 ай бұрын
So Tim if you know anything about hull shape and how they act in the water, you know this canoe stern means it will be slow. While a sugar scoop tricks the water to think your boat is longer, a canoe stern fools the water into thinking the boat is shorter. Don't ask me to explain it, it just is.
@pl7868
@pl7868 11 ай бұрын
Great video ! started working on sailboats with Dad when i was 12 , old now and have re-planked ect... a few old boats in life time , some things like the rigging when it's out of the water , because your having to do the bottom job anyway , pulling the mast and making up new rigging is not that big a job , but you have 6 to 12 months sentences of work in video , like redo the deck and while it's out the thru hulls , then rebuild or replace the engine and wiring , then months of things like systems an setting it up , if your married an 25 both making more money than God then this is the boat for you if you like it , it's a clean sheet , if your old and spend the summer watering the yard because your wife talks so much you have a choice of sitting down or fainting or looking busy outside this is not the boat for you 🙂
@colrodrick8784
@colrodrick8784 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. I love every single one. I'm a cat sailor by preference, but your reviews are totally awesome.
@TerraOptimal
@TerraOptimal 10 ай бұрын
Another great breakdown, I'm leaving so much from your channel. Great content! An idea for the next episode; if you're already at the Annapolis boat show interview vendors, builders, showgoers young and old asking what do they like/hate most about the sailing lifestyle.
@mariuszkijowski2180
@mariuszkijowski2180 Жыл бұрын
Another great video Tim! Usually you try to encourage people to go small go now but here you did a great job with providing your honest opinion and potentially making a cold shower for some new sailors. All the best :)
@AdamHaldeman-kt6em
@AdamHaldeman-kt6em Жыл бұрын
Speaking of classic looking double-ended boats can you make a video on the Fisher series, specifically the 34 and 37? I know you did a Motorsailer video a while ago, but it was focused on Nauticat.
@upstatemichael3850
@upstatemichael3850 Жыл бұрын
Uncanny...I just saw one of these this week while strolling the docks at a marina in Sidney on Vancouver Island. The wife and I had no idea of the make, but undeniably an HC now that I've seen your video. Never have I seen so much teak!
@kjaubrey4816
@kjaubrey4816 Жыл бұрын
I bought a 1976 Catalina 22. I used it to live on while traveling for jobs. Reading through various cruising forums I have heard the arguments for the capability and also many against the capability of the Catalina 22. Mine is in need of a good deal of work but the dreamer in me would love to hop across the Gulf on her one day but I know that is probably a horrible idea.
@danielboughton3624
@danielboughton3624 Жыл бұрын
That was a good list and you have a sharp eye. My take is you spend a little and you can go sailing. Maybe you watch the weather and do short trips on nice weekends but hey, you have a boat. The other thing is if you were to spend the 100k to put it in ship shape you would have new sails, rigging, and motor which the other boat would not have. Take the slow route if you need/want. Spend an extra 10k each year on new stuff. Sail it a bit and in the off season fix a thing or two and then you are sailing. If it was on the east coast I'd buy it and enjoy it no problem. It's in the water so presumably you can get take if for a test drive and shake out the sails and fire up the motor. It's an old diesel so all we need is a battery, a fuel supply, and a motor that runs. No electronics required. A survey will also fill in your priority list and act as your final go/no-go on this boat.
@craigh8850
@craigh8850 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely loving your channel. Love your focus on boats. My suggestion for a video, which I haven't seen you cover, is boat resale value. When I buy a boat I'm also thinking about how easily I can sell it. There are a lot of cheap boats out there but when you want to move on they are really hard to sell. I would rather pay more money up front for a brand that will keep better value and sell easily than buy the least expense boat I can find. I would love to see a video looking at which brands keep there value and are desirable.
@Freetheworldnow
@Freetheworldnow Жыл бұрын
Definitely a good exemple of a wreck not even worth free... I really like your videos and your sens of humour! Half a forest of teak...Can you imagine the cost of undoing and then redoing piece by piece all the decking and extras!?? And as it leaks, you will require to destroy the whole interior, imagine that... The weight really surprised me. Sounds like a double hull! I agree of the proposition about a video where you would talk about tools, equipment and mandatory spare parts needed for offshore getaways. God Bless.
@FlyNineVictor
@FlyNineVictor 5 ай бұрын
Video idea: moving from a trailer sailer to your first in the water boat. How big, and all the other consideration.
@UndoneEV
@UndoneEV Жыл бұрын
A 43 Foot HC Ketch just sold in SD for 42k. I looked it over and wanted it to be my forever ship but the timing wasn’t right and yeah it was gonna need 50 to 100k to dial it in….probably was for the best that it slipped away but damn, I think about it every day…. Boat Sickness…..
@DennisAdamsballnchain90
@DennisAdamsballnchain90 Жыл бұрын
Video: how about an episode of the trials and/or pitfalls of buying a freshwater Great Lake boat to be homeported on the coast. Will the freshwater boat fall apart in the salt water? What are the things to look out for or be concerned with about this boat in it’s new salty environment? As a new buyer, how can you get burned in this situation?
@danthomas3808
@danthomas3808 Жыл бұрын
A good friend of mine is a yacht broker. One of the honest ones in the business. Which is why he did so well in the business. Years ago he told me a litt.e pearl of wisdom that has proven right over and over. He said that, "You are going to spend. X amount of money for a certain style and brand of boat weather you spend it up front and get one ready to go, or buy a fixer upper handyman special. You will spend the same amount to get the boat to Bristol condition. "
@basilbrushbooshieboosh5302
@basilbrushbooshieboosh5302 Жыл бұрын
Great info. Thanks
@Belegnole
@Belegnole Жыл бұрын
Just a thought. If you feel that you are running out of ideas for boats then maybe trip ideas are in order. Such as you now have a boat, what's next. Passports, route planning good destinations vs popular ones. How to deal with money, banking in foreign countries. Good supply strategies, including foods. and on and on...
@adamlockwood331
@adamlockwood331 Жыл бұрын
This is truly a great one. I found an old beat up HC last year and i've be so temped to buy it . This Video set me strait. Thanks.
@alyk
@alyk Жыл бұрын
Omg i love this episode. I am a huge Hans Christian fan they give these pirateship vibes. And the best model (36) has the bathroom in the front which just makes sense to me.
@AlaskaRog
@AlaskaRog Жыл бұрын
Great video! I noticed that boat online several days ago.
@thomaspancoast275
@thomaspancoast275 Жыл бұрын
I looked at that boat in san pedro. Its not bad. If you can not do a little work on a boat dont get one.
@edsonarantes7500
@edsonarantes7500 Жыл бұрын
Great analysis very informative.! Thank you.
@brianm925
@brianm925 Жыл бұрын
Episode suggestion: Where do full-timers go during the hurricane season? If I sell everything and live this life, where do I go June-November?
@drew6116
@drew6116 Жыл бұрын
you can go to the Northeast, or even to the Pacific. Whatever, I sure wouldn't want to hang up my winch handle for months either!
@animapulcra9205
@animapulcra9205 Жыл бұрын
Next episode content? Your input on why there's such a huge value spread between self-built/one-offs/highly modified vs serial manufactured boats would be extremely valuable. Here in Europe self-builds/highly modified/one-offs are tough sell and thus keep their value poorly.
@scottpeterd
@scottpeterd 5 ай бұрын
Going to push back on the Nissan. These are industrial engines, not the agricultural or motive. Made to run 24/7/30. They were marinized by Simpson Power in Vancouver, CA. They can last well over 50 years. Full rebuild kits with liners, pistons, rings, bearings are under $2k. Injectors are simple to rebuild at $80 a pop. The injector pumps never need servicing. Exhaust elbows are available new for around $200. Engine mounts are about $1,000. So looking at $3500 forma full rebuild if you do the labor. Transmission is a standard BW 71. About $3000 for a full rebuild.
@alanjohnson2613
@alanjohnson2613 Жыл бұрын
I grew up sailing and cruising prior to blackwater tanks. I agree they are necessary.
@livingforsail
@livingforsail Жыл бұрын
Love the channel! This sounds like a familiar story :) I am all for saving a classic old boat and am working on a pretty big refit of an '89 Liberty 458 but oh man, that will be a ton of work! I don't think that you mentioned the deck core that is surely rotten on this boat given all of the screw heads that are exposed on the tired teak decks. Add a 20-30 more boat bucks for that repair (probably even more these days...) I am working on my decks now over on my channel and have been blown away by the amount of water that I am finding in with the failed ply and balsa... They only made 31 of the Liberty 458, but they are a bit of a cult boat and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts. Cheers.
@julioerodriguez6097
@julioerodriguez6097 Жыл бұрын
Tim, there's also a Hans Christian here in Honolulu for sale (It is listed in Yachtworld). They asking $79.5 K (tax not included) but It needs a lot of work . Aloha from Hawaii!
@frankmaloney3717
@frankmaloney3717 Жыл бұрын
Great info
@LifeProducersofNewJerseyLLC
@LifeProducersofNewJerseyLLC Жыл бұрын
I love fiberglass. Wood is work. Tearing apart the wood to get to various parts of the boat gets stupid fast. Just ask yourself if you had a leak on the deck around a window, what would you have to take apart to get to fix that leak?
@mememe5231
@mememe5231 Жыл бұрын
Great video! I’d say if you are willing and capable, also have the time. In two years you would have a better vessel. Then what’s available for the price.
@jonymanay
@jonymanay Жыл бұрын
Couldnt for the winch like take the chain holder pulley bit off and put it on the new winch and save some cash not having to replace the chains. And dealing with a blackwater tank if you spill it or cut it open you would write off the boat. My old man had some weird issue where when you used the toilet this bad stink would waft through the boat. I think he used a bleach cleaner or something and the seals maybe leaked when youd flush the toilet. I think he changed the system but boy it was bad one whole summer.
@robertsigsworth8229
@robertsigsworth8229 Жыл бұрын
I'm 71 years old now, been messing about in and with boats since the age of about 6. Over the years I have had a lot of yachts, buy em., do em up sell for a profit (not counting my own labour costs) and get a bigger one. I have a rule of thumb, like Lady K Sailing I work out all the costs excluding my own labour, work back and that is the price I offer on the boat. Unfortunately the demand for second hand boats especially the mass produced craft of the late 70's upto the mid 90's and even pedigrees like Hans Christian, Swan etc. has fallen off a cliff edge. So looking at what seems like a bargain most likely will not be. looking at a reasonable sale value of most yachts, and working back on the cost of a refit even with second had parts it has reached a stage were the seller would have to pay you to take it away or give it away. The boat I have now has new sails, new electrics, a new to me recond. engine and new berth cushions, It is a trailer sailor, I bought another boat, sold it and refurbished the trailer. I know for a fact I will get more money scraping it & selling all the good bits separately, than the price the total package would be listed at today, and thats a good little boat with nothing else to spend on it. Read reellove670's comments and totally agree, there are so many good boats with every electric on them, electric winches recent sails etc, etc. and a buyers market, so buy one of them, there will still be something that needs doing!
@horacioruigomez1137
@horacioruigomez1137 Жыл бұрын
muy buen video, veo varios videos de proyectos de restauracion de barcos donde terminan gastando mas de lo que vale el barco, sin cuantificar el tiempo y trabajo personal invertido. a veces dan pena ver esos veleros abandonados, y en mas de una oportunidad estuve tentado con alguno, pero haciendo cuentas objetivas, en muchos no se justifica ni aunque te los regalen. Un saludo.
@capt.anthony8169
@capt.anthony8169 Жыл бұрын
Absolute great content! Thank you!
@thomasfro
@thomasfro Жыл бұрын
Video idea: what options do you have for sailboats with lift/swing keel that you can put on a trailer after your car. What are the drawbacks with such a boat design, except the obvious weaker keel structure?
@mjf1036
@mjf1036 Жыл бұрын
Great run down and critique. While these Hans are beautiful and capable I am saving my $ for a cruiser from the early 21st century. Florida and the Carib are my destinations.
@sailingbrewer
@sailingbrewer Жыл бұрын
She's also built in Taiwan and they are well known for not sealing the teak decks back then so the deck coring is most likely rotted too. In general with 70's teak deck boats assume they are bad
@erikrasmusson762
@erikrasmusson762 Жыл бұрын
would love to see an episode about what catamarans are best for solo sailing
@denden549
@denden549 Жыл бұрын
Love your videos. I'd like to see an episode on Morgan Out Island 41
@paulscott5402
@paulscott5402 Жыл бұрын
Love your videos. Want to get a job selling yachts so I can keep finding more about it.
@johnboy3216
@johnboy3216 Жыл бұрын
Next episode; What sailboat does Johnboy and Tiffany need to buy? We want room,security and after signing all the paperwork, knowing we bought the right one!
@johnboy3216
@johnboy3216 Жыл бұрын
@@brownnoise357 Thank you for your reply. Lot more knowledge just taken in. Specifically the horsepower! That’s what stuck first. Definitely not interested in electric power for sailing or for the dingy. I definitely see the benefits of solar power for keeping batteries charged as well as daily living on the water but not for propulsion. Thanks again.
@pohjoinenkala9301
@pohjoinenkala9301 Жыл бұрын
I've had electric propulsion for more than 20 years on my 24-footer. Sails are the main engine, auxiliary is for docking manoveurs usually. Then, it is a daysailer not an ocean crossing yacht 😮 just wanted to tell electric is silent, easy to mantain and clean. Sailing in a hurry, dinghy needs to plane? Ok. Range is definately an issue with batteries when motoring.
@johnboy3216
@johnboy3216 Жыл бұрын
@@pohjoinenkala9301 I definitely would like no noise and can see so many benefits of electric propulsion but starting out I’m going to go with the fuel propulsion.
@gnsmk357
@gnsmk357 Жыл бұрын
Well done. The question one would have to answer is the rebuilding of this the point or is boating? As a Retired person looking to buy the perfict boat. Would like to see some go into how to refit an older boat with the best high end options out there. To refit a 50ft boat like a 2000. with see keeper and ever other sail for you gear. Disabled with means to so. Not a fan of the newet boats.
@joesmith1142
@joesmith1142 Жыл бұрын
i bought a 15k fixer upper sailboat and am doing all the work myself. its daunting and very expensive even with the right skillset. ive gained a tremendous amount of experience and knowledge doing the work over the paset 5 years. i would not even pay 15k for this one UNLESS, i had very deep pockets, a tremendous amount of free time and a cheap and affordable place to haul out and work on this boat for 1-3 years, or more. ideally someone would gut this boat and rebuild her from the ground up.
@jamescraig791
@jamescraig791 Жыл бұрын
Episode Topic: 10 year full-time live aboard “nothing off limits” - Cruising boat for a couple’s round-the-world (milk run) loop and 65 degrees +/- (Patagonia to Iceland). Allures 45.9 v Garcia 45 Exploration, Passport 480 Voyager v Outbound 46, others? Cheers mate.
@nkolchenko
@nkolchenko Жыл бұрын
Nissan Diesel. I might be too young for that. :-D I know only about Yanmar and Volvo. Thank you for your videos they are really useful.
@run14me
@run14me 2 ай бұрын
I have been offered a free Hans Christian 34 that is in much worse shape, but still needs everything. What do you think about that? Because even though it is free it has to be hauled out and put on the hard in San Diego or trailered to a more reasonable place to work on… So in essence I am at 37.000 off the top, unless i choose the inconspicuous storage and haul it for about 5 k here in San Diego, with no real option to be able to work on it from where it is at…
@wdentondouglas
@wdentondouglas Жыл бұрын
For the next video will you talk about Catalina and Hunter? These boats are everywhere and they've been in production so long that it's hard to know which models a trash and which are treasure.
@robertball7954
@robertball7954 Жыл бұрын
Dont have a boat never had one. I have interest in sailing and I find you to be very informative...now on to this boat your discription of the black water tank...no I would walk away and not even take it for free...
@Gone2TxInspect
@Gone2TxInspect Жыл бұрын
Been watching this one
@gregorykau5834
@gregorykau5834 Жыл бұрын
Great analysis. IMHO, the best buyer for this boat might be someone with plenty of space -- e.g. a boat slip they own -- who wants to slowly convert this boat into a floating condo and also learn a ton about boats during that (years-long) process.
@enzovegiard5053
@enzovegiard5053 Жыл бұрын
What about sailing permits and what happens wend it expiring check in an out of the USA and new decal for 30 feet and more thank for your work I like it👍
@stanleybest8833
@stanleybest8833 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't be the least worried about hauling and servicing a 4 cylinder Nissan Kiki motor. It would be doubtful if it was installed with raw water cooling, dirt was in the oil, it was abused by an owner, or apon disassembly, it turned out nor to be a lucky. Remember, it's bolted to a Borg Warner drive, so substitution is pretty easy.
@jasonmcintosh2632
@jasonmcintosh2632 Жыл бұрын
I still miss your original theme song... that was so cool...
@markcampbell7577
@markcampbell7577 Жыл бұрын
The full keel is a euphemism for keeling design backwards.
@Seafariireland
@Seafariireland Жыл бұрын
Food for lots and lots of brain scratching! But, it would make a fine ship in the end!!! SkipRay, Kerry, Ireland.
@xmarksthespot5188
@xmarksthespot5188 Жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a video on the James Wharram catamarans . It is a viable option for some people !
@brandonnorthern632
@brandonnorthern632 Жыл бұрын
I would like to hear your opinion on Dufour and they’re forward galley.
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