$80,000 - Do You Need An Aft Cabin Sugar Scoop Sailboat? Ep 223 - Lady K Sailing

[@mememe5231]

I would say a separate shower stall is a necessity for a live aboard. In my opinion 😅 . Thanks for the time and effort!

[@ushillbillies]

We have a 99 Catalina 380 , its pretty well designed , a dedicated shower bay and walk around master queen are clinchers for us.. and it weighs in at 19500 pounds . I feel we got lucky considering how green we were..

[@sailingUPBound]

The sugar scoop slap can be annoying in the aft cabin. One step up from that is the retractable swim platform. The Beneteau center cockpits have an awesome aft cockpit with portlights, walk around queen/king beds, master head with separate shower (44 even has a tub!). The safer feel of the center cockpit is ideal on the open ocean. The flat deck area behind the cockpit is great for doing exercises, fishing, storing bikes, etc

[@RModillo]

The sugar scoop feature reminds me of a certain variety of German toilets. I am tempted to buy one and call it "inspection shelf."

[@samanthamariereynolds69]

My Islander Freeport has a folding set of stairs to get in and out of boat. I love it! The bedroom works great for us now. Once my kid gets bigger we will get a bigger boat. But for now I love my boat

[@PyeGuySailing]

I've lived on a 40ft boat for years now, we only use 25-30ft of it and the rest just stored building supplies and stuff. We're going to be downsizing because it's a waste of space and I'm paying for boat I don't use. I'm looking at 30ft boats so I find it funny that 35ft isn't "enough boat". It's funny how two people can look at the same boat and have wildly different views on its utility 😂

[@heathersweeney7130]

Thank you so much for making these videos! I’m bingeing them all preparing to buy and have found them so so so helpful! Cheers!

[@saltlessshakedowns4999]

If you haven't gone to the new channel Historsea... Do It! Excellent start and great content right off the bat.

[@iwashpowercleaning7724]

It all started here for me and today I enjoy the blue ocean leaving. Thanks for sharing and being real…

[@LadyKSailing]

OMG

[@iwashpowercleaning7724]

@@LadyKSailing Today we are in Antigua and going Guadaloupe. I still remember the day when we watched the great episodes of you going to the bahamas…

[@rossprentice4975]

The split in the mattress in the fwd cabin is for a leecloth

[@HinnerkBaltic]

I can’t help you with the aft cabin in an older boat. But if it’s about the accessibility of your boat there are few possibilities that might help a bit. You can add a wood and stainless bathing plattform to your transom (a lot of Hallberg Rasseys around here have it). There are a lot of different models available. If that is not enough, what about a couple of good steps and a changed pushpit (if that is the right word?). Should be possible to get for under 2000 (€, not a clou what it would cost in Canada). As a boat builder I can tell you that it is possible to laminat a sugar scoop on your classic plastic, it may also stretch your waterline a bit and therefore must be quite tough. With some boats (double backstay and a locker between your transom and cockpit) you could cut the transom and have a staircase big enough to sit on leaving up to your deck. This has to be built quite heavy, too. Your cutting your transom, right? I would estimate both changes around 10 000 each ( €, again). And you may disturb the beautiful lines of your boat. If you love your boat and everything else is right and you don’t have the money for a production boat with a sugar scoop and walk through transom maybe with some creativity you can find a way to make it at least easier to climb up and have some place to put your cans on while climbing…

[@danielscott4514]

I have friends with a 1980s vintage Beneteau (narrow transom, no sugar scoop) and they did exactly that (the wood/stainless platform option). It seems to be quite a common thing to do with older boats. For clarity (for people other than HinnerkBaltic reading this), these platforms are hinged so that they fold up against the transom while sailing, and they have wire stays to support the weight of people standing on the platform when folded down. I believe the term for one of these platforms is a "duckboard".

[@jimwatkins1453]

Love your channel! Could you do an episode on lake or coastal boats for beginners who want to build their skills before taking on a bigger boat with further destinations? Many thanks!

[@kenhart8771]

Thanks for the reviews.

[@svmagnolia]

Another great video, and you hit on two of the reasons why I love my Hunter 410! You left out the separate shower stall, though- no more wet head! I'll check out your other channel, and thanks for the informative boat videos.

[@lyfandeth]

I discussed a failure on a five year old boat with the actually company's owner. He was baffled and agreed that part simply couldn't wear that quickly. When he learned the boat was in regular use, like a charter, he said Oh! That explains it. Charter boats age and wear 5-10x faster than private ones. Beware of a charter boat that has not had an extensive refit.

[@WillN2Go1]

You're making a great point here, and I'm not sure brokers understand just how important a selling feature these things are. Otherwise I think sugar scoop and aft cabin would be right up front in every listing. I think I've got a typical situation for that big wonderful sugar scoop. I can step aboard like the Admiral, but as soon as I get to the cockpit, I'm having to crawl in through the clears like a plumber under a house. Fortunately the first owner got a folding wheel (a $1000 option.) "It's manageable, even without those cool features." Another good point. Every boat I've ever been on has some 'issue.' Nevertheless, you are sailing; you just get used to it. There's always some kind of 'fix' that could make it better.... In the end it's a boat, you're sailing, so what if it's a bit more difficult than staying in your grandparents' condo. In my DIY kayak I had an even better ocean view than the $2m homes up on the Palos Verdes cliff. I figured something out about the big aft cabin in my Hunter 456. (I don't know if I've already shared this latest brain storm (fever?).) There's about 4-5' (140 cm?) above the bed. If I build a box raising the bed 16 or so inches (40cm?), I can use that huge space for storage. Maybe even get the asymmetric bag in there. Definitely stow those two big deck pads, Should clear out all the floating stuff in my main cabin and forward berth. I'll let you know how it goes.

[@curtisn6980]

Our boat was set on stands for a week, right next to that Delphia. It looks like it may be a nice boat but it is obvious it's been there a while and every system onboard must be getting tired. I'd honestly look at it but you'll need some money to get her sailing reliably. It is not under cover at all. Standing/running rig is sitting in the salt air with how many years of sailing already on it... Boats, like houses don't do well just sitting for years. And If you've never been to the southern Caribbean get ready for sticker shock... If it cost 2k in the US, +50% it for Grenada. Or pay $4 a pound shipping plus brokerage.

[@jackwalby6257]

Always love it when you think outside the Beneteau, Catalina, Jeanneau box. Bringing up Bavaria and Delphi is a plus. I'm still the older Swan, Baltic, Hallberg Rassey guy. Not buying a car but think closer to a house. Double wides are fine if that's what you can afford, no knock on people that own one. I right now couldn't afford one. But if I have around that 100k to drop I'm going old school top end which probably was maintained by a fanatic.

[@brianrogers6059]

Had a Hunter 380, big boat for its length with a large aft stateroom, but not an island birth. Hunter Passage 42 or 430 can be had for under 100k from the mid 90's and have a large aft island berth. One thing I will say about sugar scoops on a wide transom is stern slap by waves. I went so far to actually purchase a fabric/foam device to help keep the noise down and do not recall what it was called. Not a big fan of the B&R rig, but feel the build quality is on par with any Ben or Jen, Catalina seems to be a notch or two up.

[@andrewh9286]

Have a 2000 hunter 410 with an aft cabin and sugar scoop- love it

[@jeffp2142]

I looked at the Delphia and did a live video chat tour with the broker about a month ago. The pictures on the listing are not current and the boat needs work. From what I recall, it’s been on the hard for 3 years in Grenada after the owner’s cruising plans changed. I think the price was over $100k, so at $80k still seems like a good deal since these boats don’t come up for sale often in the US. There’s also another Delphia I was considering in SoCal, but ended up going with an IP350 (thanks to Tim) that better suited my needs. Happy to connect any interested parties to either of the two brokers I’ve previously communicated with regarding the Delphia.

[@Methoes123]

That Delphia 40 is beautiful and the price is crazy! Good Price! Shouldn't last long at that price!

[@chriscrum7310]

I am currently in the exact same situation only this would be my first sailboat - but i pretty quickly got to the sugar scoop and an islandish berth. personally im saving up to the 100k anything under that seems to be a huge project boat - I dont mind fixing and maintaining but i would rather not spend a year rebuilding it from the keel up

[@aaronnunn5240]

I have been through this, and still have the old girl too. I went from 32ft Motorsailor 1969 to a beneteau oceanis 400 1994. It was the next step.

[@thefreewheelinms]

Benteau was always ahead of the game. My 1987 First 305 has a sugar scoop and a huge aft cabin believe it or not. It also sails like a dream. Too small for a livaboard but a fantastic coastal cruiser (and racer too).

[@DegatagaTawodi]

Glad to see y’all getting at it still

[@michaeltaniwha]

Look at the mid to late 90’s Pacific Seacraft built Ericson 380. Solidly built 38ft racer cruiser with large aft cabin, sugar scoop, separate stall shower and a large lazarette. All boats are a compromise, but the Ericson ticks most of my boxes and $$.

[@andyp594]

Catalina 380. I would be all over one and will be when I win the lottery!

[@richardtaylor4875]

I own one and love it!

[@Petarstar69]

A 2006 Delphia 37 does that greatly for 55k € in Italy and it’s really nice and easy to sail, you’d better try one if interested about that kind of boat

[@Marshal_Dunnik]

You're more likely to find a roomy aft cabin on a boat with a center cockpit, which of course has other advantages

[@michaeldobrowolski5472]

Great show!!! way too go !!

[@mikegrindstaff]

I am buying a 40ft+ sailboat somewhere in California in August of this year for three of us sail to Australia and Indonesia with room for a couple more people. I have it narrowed down to a few boats, but it would be great to chat about it to be more sure I will be getting a boat we won't regret.

[@cases2939]

Awesome vid.

[@DarkSevariant]

I Don't Trust the Sugar Scoop. Anyone with a Dinghy, Has Quick Access to your Home. It's Basically Leaving Your Front Door Open. I Do Like the Aft Cabin, Though :)

[@anton_to_adventures]

thanks.

[@Carlos_Verhaak]

You really like those French boats, Tim. I won't discuss they're make suitable marina boats, but should you aim something further..... I'd find it difficult to join your liking for Beneteaus / Jeanneaus. You make a great job with your videos. Thanks

[@LadyKSailing]

thanks for watching!

[@waltobringer2928]

Hi again!

[@6800891]

What's the feasibility of fabricating a sugar scoop on the back of a straight transom?

[@johnboyes3844]

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[@billbergquist4722]

No mention of Hunter?

[@CharlesFlahertyB]

@49s Improper use of "begging the question"

[@bigredinfinity3126]

i'd rather a decent duck board with davits than a sugar scoop .Uou can load onto the duck board and if it is to heavy just which it up with the davits

[@mark224466]

Hey Bud, great videos. Can you do a video on where to store your boat in the Caribbean please? Winter storage, moorings, service, repairs, parts. Just an idea. Thanks

[@wmstone3914]

Great Episode… How about best 3 cabin boat for a family… yes of course any cat is great but how about the best monohull?

[@DarioDiLello-y9m]

Hi Tim, I'm a new viewer and I am hooked on your videos. My first boat was a 1981 Hunter 37 Cutter which I sold years ago. I am getting the sailing bug again. It's a sickness, I know. I do have a question, i am looking to purchase a boat around the 38 to 42 range. Have you ever considered a show on which vessel has the best location to install a generator, not a portable one? I am also in agreement that my boat needs a scoop and aft center line cabin. Last thought, which sails better, Catalina, Hunter, etc. Thanks for listening Dario D

[@SalingSamantas]

Thank you for leaving a comment on my video this week Tim I really appreciate you taking the time to watch.

[@LadyKSailing]

I do it cause I love you 🥰 heheheh seriously: great video friend!

[@SalingSamantas]

@@LadyKSailing well I know that comments help your ch6 also so I'll make it a point to leave as many as I can.

[@1cooledge]

Brother, you make me want to quit my job and go. I do not even know how to sail. Thanks

[@JeffCalloway]

same here. I am 60 and ready to retire

[@deesmith5220]

can you mount a wind vane on a boat with the sugar scoop/swim platform?

[@stevesteel6066]

Are you ever going to go sailing again? Thanks for the videos

[@shainester]

Very good episode. I’m not a fan of the older classic plastics without a easy entry point like a walk through transom and the aft cabin with a queen or even king mattress would be dreamy. Also a separate shower stall and proper nav station / desk area would be key. You just can’t find those on the older boats, say before late 90’s or 2000.

[@shainester]

*you can’t find all of those on the older boats.

[@normanplotkin8105]

See a Catalina 34mii Has sugar scoop and aft cabin for under $100k. Many available in the states.

[@RichardSwinton]

Please do a vid on my favorite boat the Beneteau 473 . I want one badly. Talk with u later

[@markamsterdam539]

Nice video

[@michaelclark5796]

Have you ever done a video like this for good Great Lakes boat? One of my sailing instructors recommended a Catalina 30 Tall Rig for cruising the lakes for a couple or small family. What other boats would you recommend I consider? Any videos you've already done that would be a good reference?

[@free1beer]

Wouldn’t almost any center cockpit from the ‘90’s onward fit this criteria?

[@dirtyeric]

Being a dinosaur, I am not a fan of sugar scoops or walk through transoms. Sailed many production boats, but I'm an old school weirdo (currently trapped on Catamarans - bigger is not always better) whose goal is to circumnavigate again and 'accidentally' forget what I am doing when I get to the South Pacific and South East Asia. A 31-38 foot Center Cockpit Ketch with a Cutter Rig if possible. Saving my pennies for a lovely little Contest I have found...

[@GrampalettasCamp]

Sometimes those low priced boats have 7’ draft. Great in the ocean but not in ICW or Bahamas. You can put your own small sugar scoop on..See Sailing Turtle on YT

[@steveporter3929]

Complete non-sailor here , (but would like to do the Florida/ Caribbean thing one day) so this question may be dumber than crap. Would it be feasible to mount a small jib crane on the stern to help getting fuel cans, groceries, etc on board without the sugar scoop? Obviously this would not help with swimming but I can't swing the 80 to 100 thousand dollar price tag of the "nice" boats.

[@danielscott4514]

Small cranes are sometimes seen on boat decks for hauling out the boat's tender (dinghy) and setting it down on the foredeck in front of the mast. I think for fuel cans and groceries, messing about with a crane just isn't worth it (they're not particularly heavy items). All the live-aboard yachties I know just stand up in their dinghies while alongside their yacht and lift fuel/water cans and bags up onto the deck. If there are waves rolling through the anchorage and the yacht is pitching up and down, you'll find that the bow (front) and the stern (back) of the boat will be lifting up and down considerably (six feet or so isn't uncommon if you've been stuck in the unfortunate situation of having swell through your anchorage - something yachtspeople avoid the vast majority of the time, because it sucks trying to cook and sleep on a boat that's moving a lot). But, when you're in that situation - sugar scoop or not - you'll find yourself tying your dinghy off at the side of the boat, about halfway along, where the deck isn't flying up and down - and you'll be standing in the dinghy lifting your stuff onto the side-decks.

[@waltobringer2928]

Hello!

[@anonymous-dk1wb]

I live on a 26 and sure want a upgrade 😂

[@ulisesvidana5440]

What do you think about a Catalina 400?

[@petarpetrov8269]

I always wondered why boats need underwater fittings ? I have 5 and i m pissed can i remove em all ?

[@Morrisfactor]

Very well produced and edited! The two 35's are just too small (in my opinion) and I'm not so sure about the 2007 Bavaria (I think they were going nearly bankrupt at that time and so I question the quality). That leaves the Jeanneau 39 as the best of the group (though I personally think that older boats were better built and certainly had better capsize ratios - but alas, no sugar scoops).

[@Mechone11]

351/352 is a better deal and comfortable for a 35 it's beam us 12.6 vs 343 is 11.4. Aft cabin is bigger than a queen

[@joshuabeggs1756]

Which charter companies would you buy from?

[@eknuds]

I would want a dive platform.

[@jonmorey1760]

Is there a big difference in how a Catalina 380 would sail vs a Beneteau 45 foot?

[@nonormies2837]

Im late to the game as an enthusiast. Definitely gonna frequent your new channel

[@LadyKSailing]

Steel Bruce Roberts

[@sterling19]

Would it not be possible to cut through the dividing wall on the split aft cabins to create a large single?

[@LadyKSailing]

Yes on some models. Others this is in the design and load bearing.

[@andyp594]

Would you really drop that much coin on a boat then turn around and chop it all up to make what you wanted in the first place? Better off getting the free boatyard junker and rebuild it to what you want in my opinion.

[@WojciechP915]

I would like a gilded stern gallery with room for two chase guns. Can I get this on a 40 footer?

[@vanessabryan786]

Beam yes 😂

[@philiporourke7896]

Great vid, dude. Thanx.

[@nonormies2837]

Kinda a mind blower for only 5 ft more deck length. Are we gonna see you change it up? 😂

[@alcibiadesmarcialneto922]

Charters boat are so well maintained as rental cars. They must be in running conditions only. Hull, deck, mast, etc. may be worned out and hidden from amateur’s eyes!

[@LadyKSailing]

This is misleading.

[@alcibiadesmarcialneto922]

@@LadyKSailing Have you ever seen how drunk boaters, mainly Russians, treat charters’ boats? So let's agree to disagree!

[@SSBN506]

One of my friends picked up a 2007 Beneteau 39..somthing that was ex charter. His opinion was the boat had a bit of ware as it was just used a lot. Most privet boats get used once a week Mabey. Charter boats get used every day so it looks very lived in. But it was mechanically in very good shape.

[@alcibiadesmarcialneto922]

@@SSBN506 sorry dude, but I didn’t say that charters’ boats are lemons, but some are. After a good survey, mainly structural, I would buy one if the price is fair. As you should know engines on sailboats are secundary, so they are not the main issue. I don’t know anyone that treat rental things as personal ones.

[@SSBN506]

@@alcibiadesmarcialneto922 I agreed with you... Where did you get the lemons comment from? I did no say that.

[@Methoes123]

I'm looking at a Ted Hood Yawl 46ft Core 10 Steel and it's Gorgeous! He wants 119,000 .

[@HalcyonGuitars]

If you buy a 30-50k$ boat and take care of it, will you be able to get most of that back on a resale?

[@LadyKSailing]

No. Not ever. Boats that sell well on resale are boats that take good pictures and meet demand.

[@HalcyonGuitars]

@@LadyKSailing Thanks. So basically even used boats depreciate immediately upon purchase…

[@SSBN506]

@@HalcyonGuitars Covid and a hot boat market has pushed prices up for almost all boats for a bit. I sold my 1986 Catalina 30 for 4000 more that I bought it for 10 years ago. Other than that two or three year window boats always go down in value.

[@davem5333]

​@@HalcyonGuitars If a used boat immediately depreciates on purchase you overpaid.

[@simonmoody2649]

No , not a chance, it's 10% of boat value per year to look after a good boat .Generally boats in that price range need more. If you keep it 5 years expect to pay out around 25000 on upgrades and maintenance. meanwhile it has depreciated. The 25 thou spent will not add one cent to its value . I own a beautiful old boat . Just added a new old reconditioned diesel and some other stuff . Spent 17000 did all the work my self If I got the pros in it would be 35000 , boat is worth around 20000 , it's all about living the dream, If the were cheap and easy, every body would have one.

[@disabledarmyveteran]

Sounds like a Captain Ron scenario buying a boat out of country and sailing it back to country of origin. Good luck with that people.

[@johnnyd7507]

I did exactly that and it was no big deal at all. After 9/11 too. Right after. Immigration and customs were nothing. A fun adventure. Buy from a reputable broker and get a good survey. Get someone known as “a deal breaker”. They will look at the boat thoroughly.

[@SP-wg5pn]

I see you changed your intro song .. what happened to the old lady k song? It was catchy who sang that anyway?

[@LadyKSailing]

Hey it was great! I agree. It was written by a friend of the Lady K channel way back when but alas, he was a friend of "the misses" back then. It wouldnt be right to use it now as he was her friend and she is no longer part of the channel.

[@cesargonzalez5376]

🤗🤗🤗🤗

[@АнатолийЛукиян-л1з]

Cool info! Please consider boat for 150k usd budget like 45-49 feet boat. Or contact me for individual consulting please.

[@jameshuggins7320]

Guy fiery light

[@jmsask]

👍

[@ratusbagus]

What do sugar scoops scoop when sailing for days on end in energetic following seas off one or other quarter? All design features have overheads.

[@tcknapp1984]

I'm going to be supremely disappointed if you don't mention the Catalina 28. 20 k for a nice example and it has a full aft cabin and sugar scoop

[@mojrimibnharb4584]

Misuse of "begs the question."

[@lyfandeth]

Flg, title, changing them, any other work or caveats with a boat from non-US ports?

[@ratusbagus]

What, the walk around island beds that you fall off of off watch without trying and failing to install effective all round Lee cloths?🤣 All design features have overheads.

[@Thomas..Anderson]

Isn't this "Buy the ex-charter boat" tip in contradiction with episode 204 (kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGOxgKBnodCkfqM).

[@moehornung]

Lose the necklace 😊

[@susanc.8009]

No, you don’t need a sugar scoop. A telescoping SS ladder on a simpler designed boat will do just fine unless you are very fat and unfit.

[@planet4allofus]

How about my Moody 422 or if you can find it the 425 version. Center cockpit with seats long enough to let me sleep streched out at being 6'3". Sugarscoop at the back and aft cabin , 2 side bunks and v-birth. , bluewater ready. Yes it was US $100K with brand new Yamaha 9.9 and 10' Highfield dingy. Newish 75 Hp Yanmar with 800 hrs.

[@ReiMonCoH]

That’s the thing really… don’t go camping, that’s miserable. It’s your house, so set it up like your house