Lagom Casa 65 CL & P64 | Grinder Comparison

In this video, I’m comparing the new Lagom Casa 65 CL and the P64 grinders to see their differences for both espresso and filter coffee. I’ll test both grinders based on grinding speed, noise levels and the amount of fines produced in the grind. I’ll brew coffee using both grinders and do a taste test to see how they impact flavour for espresso and filter coffee.
Equipment I'm using: Lagom Casa 65 CL, Lagom P64, Fellow Aiden, Fellow Stagg EKG, Acaia Pearl
Coffee:
Ethiopia - Washed Processed
Tasting notes - Orange, Grape
Region - Guji
Altitude - 1900 - 2150m
Light Roast
Costa Rica - Honey Processed
Tasting notes - Lavender, Grape
Altitude - 1800 - 1900m
Light Roast

[@forcefieldsound]

Thank you for these videos, they are so thoughtful and well done. You are the @loopop of the coffee world!

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Option-O Did a great job on the Mizen Omni Burrs, I had the original version of those that weren't sandblasted, I enjoyed them a lot more than the similar looking SSP Cast (v2) in 64mm which were probably my least favorite burrs. One thing I noticed and enjoyed on the Omni burrs is that it usually gave a nice clean lingering aftertaste.

[@patrickhopkins5626]

I think the big piece we aren't talking about is your comparisons are between flat and conical burrs. There are distinct use cases for both, often dependent on the desired outcome in the cup. It's interesting to see the places the Casa shines vs Ode 2 and P64, specifically confirming that the modern light-roast drinker (drip and espresso) should take solace in a well built, well intentioned conical grinder in the Casa.

[@warlockshadowbolt]

Amazing videos! I've watched every single one. Keep it up! 👍

[@SimonAndrewCoffee]

Thanks so much for your kind words and support!

[@thoughtsforthemind]

Great vids, thanks! Keep em coming :)

[@Cenot4ph]

interesting to see how this compares with the femobook a68, which imo is the current kind of conical with respect to price/performance. judging by your comparison it seems the casa 65mm prefers lighter roasts instead of more traditional medium to dark, which could explain why your 64 outperforms in terms of body and sweetness. The femobook has more balance in this regard wth quite good body and sweetness for medium to dark and it light roast capable

[@DKnight2121]

Still deciding to get either the specialita or the casa

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Casa should have less retention and is better for dual purpose I believe. Good for pourover or espresso. Specialita is alright, nice and quiet but has a decent amount of retention and flavour clarity is more blended, with higher body and likely more fines, which works for traditional espresso and milk drinks but not so well for pourovers, the adjustment system also sucks going back and forth from espresso to brew coffee.

[@avexdevil]

great video. i have a 65cl coming next week too, good to know it does 99% of what the p64 does at roughly 1/3rd the price and more interestingly it's a conical! Curious what was your process for filtering out the fines? did you use a kruve or something?

[@SimonAndrewCoffee]

I don’t have the kruve sifter so I used the fellow prismo filter to shake out fines, some boulders slipped through 😂

[@thoughtsforthemind]

How seasoned are both sets of burrs?

[@SimonAndrewCoffee]

I’ve gone through over 3kg with the p64 and close to 500g with the casa.

[@7Miralas]

What burrs inside p64? Thanks

[@SimonAndrewCoffee]

using the mizen 64om

[@ciruscoffee4290]

Hi, Big difference between this 65cl burrs and the 48mm ?

[@SimonAndrewCoffee]

Unfortunately I don’t have the 48mm burrs to compare. Ordered the Casa with 65CL burrs

[@w1ndsurf0rd13]

I got the 65CL in the mail today and swapped them for the 48MS - once I got it dialed I think I got more nuanced flavor from the same coffee I’d had earlier with the 48MS. Kinda hard to compare directly as the swap does take a few mins but maybe I’ll pre grind and try it out. Did note that for the bean I was using, the dialed setting of 6.0 on the 48MS translated to 7.6 on the 65CL (for the same profile/recipe/shot time). First shot I tried at 6.0 got me 11g out in 99 seconds lol

[@ciruscoffee4290]

@@w1ndsurf0rd13 waw! What a Big change on grind setting between the 2 burrs !

[@nickr9784]

I swapped mine yesterday. Once I re-zeroed it, the grind settings where identical

[@thefuturetom]

@@nickr9784 interesting. My settings are very different. But, I'm starting to wonder if I never properly "zeroed" the 48... My espresso grind is close to 6-6.5 on the 65, which is a larger number than I expected as I was ~4.5 on the 48. Still figuring out my drip settings, but seems somewhere between 10.5-12 at the moment.

[@MrKerner1111]

How would you say the Casa compares to the Fellow Ode flavour wise (SSP 64)

[@SimonAndrewCoffee]

I don’t have the SSP burrs in my Ode2 grinder, just the gen 2 burrs. With the omni burrs in the p64, I think the ode2 with SSP UM burrs would offer more clarity.