Lagoon 450 attacked by orcas

While sailing on a Catamaran, Lagoon 450 into the Strait of Gibraltar we were attacked by orcas.
Specail thanks to the Tarifa Radio Coast Station for advicing us in this situation!
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[@socket_error1000]

This is only happening in this region outside Gibraltar. Orca learn this behavior and it normally starts as a response to some event. It seems logical to assume that one of the local pods had contact with the rudder of a sailboat that resulted in some traumatic event. Maybe a calf was struck and killed or even a matriarch. Such an event would have been traumatic. It is even possible that a young calf could have been hung up and dragged along by a sailboat for some time. In any event; as a result they have started treating these appendages on passing sailboats as threats and try to break them off. They are not attacking the people or any other part of the boat so the root cause is clear.

[@travel_sim]

arguably , but quite possible🤔I think that's how they study the world

[@socket_error1000]

@@travel_sim We do know that orca tend to use hunting techniques common to regional pods and rarely adopt new ones. This is thought to be because it is a learned behavior taught to new pod members. They have been seen teaching juvenile orca how to use hunting techniques. This is also why it is hard on Orca populations when their normal food supply is depleted as they don't have a ready source of new food to switch to because they have always hunted a select regional diet, fish, mammals, (other)dolphins, etc and have not learned techniques for hunting other food sources in their region. Some pods can hunt many different food types but these tend to be ocean pods that encounter a larger variety. In my region they stick primarily to salmon and other fish. Even seals and sea lions are a rare snack for them (unfortunate because this would help the salmon population). The decline in local salmon populations, mostly due to neglect of salmon streams and over development, has led to an endangered species designation for them in the Puget Sound region (NW USA).

[@travel_sim]

@@socket_error1000 maybe hunting, but still doesn't feel right, why don't they finish the hunt🤔and something it seems to me that the current cardboard boats are not a big problem for them.

[@socket_error1000]

@@travel_sim I was using the hunting techniques to demonstrate that they teach these behaviors to each other and they can become generational behaviors within the pod. I don't think they are hunting the sailboats but simply treating the rudder itself as a threat because of some past negative encounter with a sailboat rudder. Sailboat rudders are typically long and strait, unlike the more square shape normally seen on a propellor driven boat. They would be easily discerned and the sailboat rudders are what are being targeted in these attacks. Even in the one that sank it was because of the damage to the rudder and leaks caused there that led to the loss of the vessel. It should be noted that there are no reports of them attacking the keel of the sailboats either, a much larger and more prominent feature. This makes it less likely this is just playful hooligan behavior of juvenile orca, as some have suggested, as they are not randomly targeting different areas of the boats nor any variety of boats. If these were random attacks I think we would have cases where sport fishermen and pleasure boaters would be reporting hostile encounters with orca when adrift in these waters.

[@alanlashbrook6442]

No. They are just bored. Wise up and stop virtue signaling.

[@funitoo]

Don't interact with orcas, stay away from the sides of the boat - copy that we are going to the edge of the boat and film them

[@jeffgee6319]

😂

[@brettclark2067]

Just plain dumb

[@ChristinaMcKay]

Exactly what I thought.

[@orlandomando8486]

Not doing anything won't save your life...

[@59582NE]

So film them might save you?

[@KS-gd3uj]

In Hawaii, the sharks have become "trained" to chase boats on the North Shore of Oahu. There are several "shark diving" and "cage" tour companies that take people offshore 1 mile to swim the with sharks. The sharks (Galapagos, Tiger, and reef usually, occasionally great white) are attracted to the sound of the boat motors, because many of these tour companies feed or chum the sharks to attract them. There are many boat tour operators in the Tarifa region offering Orca tours - if they are chumming the waters, this may be why the Orcas attacked your boat. The tour boat companies profit, but puts the non-tour boaters at risk of attack.

[@niksuch4169]

Great White, Tiger and Orcas are very intelligent so it's quiet clear that they could as if you are saing, the sound of a boat with feeding. Not only the tourist guided but also from fisherboats there's always a "treat" for them. There are records of schools of orcas besieging tuna fishermen. Especially the fishermen in very small boats from the African side. One or the other came back with only a skeleton.

[@rhystekely5622]

Spear fishers are having the same issues here in Australia. The shark cage tourism has trained the great whites to follow boats and associate them with food. So now everyone that uses boats in the area are at risk.

[@bobross5079]

Brah ,. good knowledge right there ;)

[@surfercanarias]

Ok bro but the truth is Orcas protect their natural Feeding zone ( BIG TUNAS). Some orcas was attacked with arpons by fishermans. Sorry my english is bad Im spanish

[@sailingdev]

in San Andres is the same but with manta rays. they will come to you and you can lift them and touch them almost like pets lol is just nuts

[@possum9562]

Very well ORCA straighted

[@craigbmm4675]

witty

[@philgray1023]

Naughty possum!

[@picterpreterearth]

AW CAn u grab my camera so I can CH ALKA this up on my bucketlist, and pass me that fORK Huh 'cause I'm gonna eat some pOrk AH!

[@ChristopherNips81]

I was doing my RYA Yachtmaster in Marbella, Spain in 2021 and we took several voyages through the straights. The first time we heard a mayday for an orca attack just 5 NM from our position. We saw them get helicoptered off their small sailboat. The next trip a month later we were in La Liñea and SEVEN cats were in the marina for rudder repairs. As we departed, a family monohull was getting ready to head north as we were heading east back into the Med. As they were checking out, they were asking the marina about attacks. Sure enough, we heard their mayday over the radio less than an hour later. This has been going on for years, but it was very common during that time.

[@alandavies8431]

Great to hear from the horses mouth ,very much apprieciated to hear the reality.make sure its all well documented too as its great info as ur there to witness it,gotta love fresh info 😘

[@momsmushroomsjodyfoster5786]

This is incredible! Imagine the raw power of these majestic creatures ❤

[@momsmushroomsjodyfoster5786]

Does anyone know or have Theory on why they do this? I'm very intrigued to understand. Do they want to eat the humans? Do they view them as a threat? They're irritated by the sound of the engine frequency it's putting off? Maybe the engine scares away their prey?

[@fritty9927]

@@momsmushroomsjodyfoster5786they are just curious animals

[@jeffoneill3429]

@@fritty9927There is likely much more to this than just being curious IMO.

[@pacific7775]

M80s being thrown near them may have changed their tune

[@wydryfly]

At least you know there’s no sharks around when they’re around. 😅

[@jplockport1]

false thats like saying dolphins dont swim with sharks lol and they do

[@wydryfly]

@@jplockport1 false, dolphins don't eat sharks, killer whales eat the livers of sharks. sharks disappear when Orcas appear. fact!

[@philgray1023]

@@jplockport1 And dolphins are not all sweetness and light either.

[@mikecarnivale7304]

ID curious to find out if every single one of these boats that keep getting attacked by orcas are using a certain type of depth sonar or the same brand of depth sonar. I'm wondering if there's equipment that's putting out a certain frequency thats driving the orcas crazy.

[@ct1762]

nah. its all basically one of 4 frequencies. its just food. they are trying to get people to throw them food. not that difficult to figure out.

[@HRkapitan]

@@ct1762 What food would you give them, a can of sardines from the fridge, maybe a banana or an apple

[@paddlefar9175]

@@HRkapitan A Salmon? ... or a Chihuahua. No sorry, that last one would just be me, in my dream, throwing the neighbour’s Chihuahua overboard for peeing on my ankle during the day.

[@ct1762]

@@HRkapitan what? how would an Orca know what food you have? but yes, sardines would be perfect . its the fact that they are waiting for food. not that deep or complicated.

[@Icarus_II]

@@ct1762 They aren't waiting to be thrown food, these orcas have a specific diet and they are perfectly capable of getting it for themselves. The sound of the engines are irritating them in some way. In the video they were told to shut off the engines and wait. After a few hours the orcas left, then when they turned their engine back on , the orcas returned.

[@meadmaker4525]

For instances like this, they should equip a hydrophone beneath the hull that can be activated to create an unpleasant frequency when this sort of thing occurs. Harmless to the animals and saves damage to the boat, not to mention people's lives. It was only a few months ago that orcas attacked a monohull and everyone on board was killed. Simply floating there, playing dead, and hoping they don't sink the boat isn't really good enough. This is happening way too often not to take some sort of creative action to deter the orcas from pursuing this behavior. Thus far, I think the hydrophone would be the best possible idea.

[@brendanukveteran2360]

Hydrophones receive - they do not transmit. You mean some kind of [expensive !] sonar. Sonar has never deterrred any whale or similar form approaching sea going vessels. Orcas are curious animals and they are interacting with somehing in their space ....;and I for one would have been very concerned if I had been on that boat....big powerful fish vs manmade structure in deep water....some experts think the Orcas are wanting the engines to turn the props so they can "enjoy" the prop wash...might be tru and it might not but either way - not an enjoyable encounter.

[@WOTArtyNoobs]

@@brendanukveteran2360 The answer might be an LRAD system fitted for underwater propagation. LRAD are extremely uncomfortable for human ears because the volume is intense. They fixed LRADS on ships being attacked by pirates so that they could broadcast intense noise at a distance. It seems that the Orcas are focusing on the rudders and the centerboards, so it might be necessary to have removable boards fitted.

[@Antipodean33]

They've heard about the shit build quality of those lagoons and are testing the bulkheads to see if it's seaworthy or not

[@kay834]

lol exactly - glad someone said it. they want the shittty lagoons on the bottom of the ocean

[@sunroy1]

We charted a Lagoon 450 a few years ago. I know those windows in the berth. I’d be very intimidated seeing orcas swimming around the hulls.

[@thomashigdon5015]

Must have been a new orca TikTok challenge. What’s wrong with sea life these days!

[@MrRaeberz]

Too much human plastic monsters in the ocean.

[@celiagisbert9493]

Some orcas are starting to attack ships in response to a aggresions by poachers in Spain

[@imdurmac1]

🤣🤣😂🤣😂

[@asabove_sobelow_333]

Curious to know how their behavior changed, if at all, when you turned off the engine/electronics and their behavior when they returned after you restarted the engine? Did you notice a change in where they were hitting the cat, if more hit the boat at one time or how often they hit and where? I look forward to your reply.

[@DeeDeevanGogh]

You ask too many questions. Please try to keep it to one question per comment. Thank you.

[@Omega-wi6fl]

Nah... nothing they just wanted trouble from the start.

[@autumnryn]

It says at the end they came back when they switched the engines on.

[@MartinezC.]

​@DeeDeevanGogh you must be Russian KGB

[@DeeDeevanGogh]

@@MartinezC. Close. I fish professionally all over the world. Much like the KGB what we do requires covert intel and it's all top secret. #SlavaRussia

[@waitaminute2015]

The Robertson family was sunk by orcas in 1972. His story doesn't focus on the orcas, but this is one example that this isn't new. I don't remember the name, but another survival story from the 80s was the result of something hitting his sailboat. If this is a learned behavior, it could be its been passed to more generations than we think. Have the recent accounts mentioned if their motor was on at the time of the attack, or does it matter?

[@khaelamensha3624]

They only attacks when motors are off. Orcas knows that a turning screw is not fun. Last theory is it 8s fun for them, so playing rather than attacking. If 15 orcas wanted to sink this boat, not sure it will take very long.

[@anthonylove821]

What happened to the robertsons? They survive or killed by the orcas?

[@waitaminute2015]

@@anthonylove821 I don't remember the whole story but the father survived to tell the story. I know I saw an interview on KZbin but don't remember which channel.

[@RoySATX]

The Orca in that area have a history of this, they've sent many sailboats in for repairs and have sunk a few. And they are actively teaching this behavior to the calves. It's been going on for years and is getting worse, no sign the Orca are getting bored of it yet.

[@Chwodnacoc]

Humans follow them to take the fishes they’re supposed to hunt, and attack them if orcas try to get some from those fishing companies, so they have to do what they have to do. These pots are close to extinction already.

[@kampflabor2227]

Maybe they are bored with the people loitering on their sea.

[@boatlifescotland]

They sunk reportedly two boats, one of the boats with structural damage before even the incident with the orcas happened. There was never an “attack” as what marine biologists would account as attack on any boat. This are interactions that unfortunately cause damages to the boats and more unfortunately two to sink. But no human life lost yet. I’m myself a sailor and I have to say that I don’t understand sailors still using this passages solo and not in convoys. The orcas only interact with single boats, not with convoys or more than two boats. I know it’s not completely unavoidable to use this area but at least don’t attend the passage with a single boat. There are also measures that keep the orcas of the boat like towing a dinghy behind and the orcas plat normally with the dinghy instead of the sailboat. A real attack would be that the orcas would jump onto the deck to damage the structure and to sink it in like they do with whales. Sadly no one knows if this interactions are intentionally or just out of curiosity or training of the calves. Also is a decline in whales being observed in this area, might be a reason why orcas use sailboats as substitution or it’s even a revenge for us fishing their food away (which I personally doubt because they would attack most likely the fishing boats and not sail boats). Also I hope that people don’t start reacting violent towards the orcas by using fireworks, guns or even pouring diesel or engine oil into the sea. To make a pod of orcas angry won’t end up well for the boat and crew though. We normally see only 1/3 of the entire pod, mostly one or two adults and the calves, the pod is most likely three times bigger as what we see, when they get angry and really try to sink a boat it will happen for sure. I doubt that (expect maybe a steel or aluminium yacht) will be able to withstand a hit of a jumping orca. This would mean a hit of 6 tons punctual onto the hull, I doubt that the structural integrity will withstand this force, which would cause the boat to break apart and sink, but even if it would withstand this punctual force, it would definitely flood the boat by sinking it in and the boat, because most likely the doors might be open will take on water which will also result in sinking the boat… each way the outcome of a real attack would be devastating for the boat and crew…

[@lucplisson2115]

Some of the Orcas in this region have a history of being part of the U.S. Navy U.S. Navy Marine Mammal Program (NMMP), target identification, search for drifting divers and neutralization of nautical vectors... a few decades ago, killer whales of the MK xx series did not return to their enclosure, including one positioned off Morocco. they transfer their "gains" to other lineages and to young people.

[@alexmaness4138]

Can we shoot them if my family is under attack?

[@humanbean1424]

If I was there, i wouldve gotten into the waters so they can sense my positive energy.

[@freddybeltran5148]

This has been happening in coasts of Spain and Portugal since at least 2 years

[@mateobarrett6829]

Orcas are highly intelligent creatures. The Mediterranean Sea is basically empty due to overfishing at this point, and Orcas are intelligent enough to realize HUMANS are to blame. They're starving, and they know exactly why. They seem to attack the boats particularly when the engines are on, as moving boats are a threat to their food. As we destroy our oceans, the intelligent species that live within it aren't going to play nice anymore.

[@bargepoled]

Yes and they are teaching their young to do it. One theory is that they know humans are to blame for the lack of fish in the area so they are seeking revenge

[@bargepoled]

@@janm.j9924 well they are very intelligent!

[@freddybeltran5148]

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[@OmmerSyssel]

@@bargepoled why should such a bright animal attack sailing boats which doesn't fish? If they're starving wouldn't they seek other hunting grounds instead of wasting energy on sailing vessels, which they have no interest in after sinking? More likely a new sort of entertainment, like playing baseball with seals without eating them.

[@NZL50505]

I heard these attack orcas have been trained by the local repair boatyards

[@davidhakes3884]

Hahaha, just as I suspected, !!!

[@Veldtian1]

😆😆😆

[@Martin37vg]

Exactly what i thought Wonder what they are getting paid per rudder.

[@NZL50505]

@@Martin37vg apparently the going rate is 10kg of sardines

[@m.gertrudish.g.7630]

Very clever chaps!

[@MomsTravelTeam]

Oh my gosh - this must have been so scary!

[@ceschias3733]

For the safety of all other pods of orcas that have nothing to do with this accidents, they should be identified and taken care of. We should develope immediately a deturant for this behavior, before they claim a victim and have no other option.

[@adrenazanetti3660]

I wonder if you weren’t inadvertently in a nursery or birthing area? This seems to be happening more and more with orcas

[@Cyndy101]

good point!!!

[@grzegorzfajfer3987]

OREK, ORKOWIE TO BYLI W WŁADCY PIERŚCIENIA

[@davethebrave2459]

Respekt ,wie ruhig ihr geblieben seid.Da hätte soviel passieren können,von irreparablen Schäden bis zur Versenkung.

[@Bill23799]

If I was a cruiser I would keep some fireworks on board with waterproof fuzes. When I was a kid we called them Cherry Bombs and M-80's. Tie a few to rocks , light them and throw them far as you can from the ship. The sound will drive them off and give them a headache . Oh and don't tell Greenpeace you did it.

[@andreasnoraas1429]

Scary and cool all the same time

[@dc1544]

Are the rudders white? Black? would be nice to know what color rudder are being attacked most.

[@talulatilly]

Was thinking the same

[@jackfntwist]

I was thinking the same. Maybe paint them the color of their predators, or a foreign color like bright red?

[@dc1544]

@@jackfntwist I do not think they have predators except men. Maybe a bright color could work.

[@helderferreira1610]

Now the nightmare will be to fix the boat in tanger. Good luck and lots of patience

[@OmmerSyssel]

No sensible German would be that naive... 💰🐖💰

[@georgespiese7388]

That’s what i do when i hear some sounds. Could your motor be making them agitated.

[@fraa888grindr6]

Orcas, in the Straight of Gibraltar, have been attacking and sinking boats for over a year (2022-2023). It's thought possibly over competition for fish with fishing vessels operating in the straight.

[@OmmerSyssel]

Then why don't they attack fishing vessels? They are bright enough to notice the obvious differences between such vessels and how they act in open sea. No sailing boats are busy fishing like stationary fishing boats ...

[@fraa888grindr6]

@@OmmerSyssel they have, though smaller ones. They're large brained, intelligent mammals - they're not going to attack something they can't successfully dominate. Similar to their experience in nature, they coordinate attacks on species where they've a clear advantage, whether by size, speed, health, or circumstance. Orcas generally avoid other species that pose a serious threat i.e the male sperm whale or pilot whale, unless those whales are sick/injured. So, likewise, orcas coordinate attacks on smaller sea vessels whom they 1) see as a threat and 2) likely can dominate. Orcas, in the Straight of Gibraltar , are the only orcas throughout the world to be documented attacks a sea vessel. It's a completely isolated phenomenon.

[@jackfntwist]

Whales have been attacking boats for many centuries. There's no reason necessary. They are just oceanic pests that are aggressive and "territorial" (water version).

[@567davefair]

couldn't some form of radio frequency that orca find very unpleasant but not damaging be transmitted out from the hull to send them away?

[@thinkcasting3182]

Yes, Frequency 7.62

[@koozer7261]

that’s what I thought, maybe something like a sonar you can drop into the water which emits a frequency that they don’t like, as long as it doesn’t make them worse that is !

[@bertplank8011]

Obviously the Coast guard should arm up with a large calibre rifle and firei if neceassary ....Once they become emboldened this could become a serious life threatenin problem....nip it in the bud. Its like the croc problem in Aussie....they USED to move away rapidly now theyre taking lives every year in some gruesome incidents too.

[@lcarus42]

@@thinkcasting3182 I was thinking the good ol M80

[@susanb4816]

Or something they find soothing and nonthreatening

[@dylanbenjaminwalter2896]

Could it have been as simple as them scratching themselves?

[@theodoresmith5272]

No. This is repeat behavior. Many many sailboats have been attacked. Several have sunk. Pretty clear this pod doesn't like sailboats.

[@BostonsF1nest]

No lol they’ve literally ripped the rudders off boats. It happens often

[@dylanbenjaminwalter2896]

@@BostonsF1nest I wonder if it's because they get fed. There are zero acts of aggression recorded between human ls and Orcas in the wild. And the encounters happen on a daily basis all around the world. No doubt that they'd scan whoever fell in the water and identify them. Seems they either want attention, have been fed from boats or aren't aware of the humans. Mostly at night right?

[@vancekeith5642]

Curious to why the engine isn't on and your underway attempting to leave the area?

[@michelles1517]

Yeah exactly

[@alandavies8431]

Gotta respect our fellow apex preds😂😂❤❤

[@alandavies8431]

Dont fuck with orcas .

[@alandavies8431]

@Steve Scott

[@margaretep.]

Wow! Das war aber ein Abenteuer, Gott sei dank, alles hatte ein gutes Ende, liebe Grüsse!

[@OmmerSyssel]

Ganz große Kino 😱😆

[@Niesnutzer]

Use a waterproof floodlight (flashlight) with minimum output of around 20.000 lumens to scare them away

[@aphilippinesadventure9184]

Where can you buy a flashlight with 20k lumens???

[@Niesnutzer]

Acebeam

[@MonkPetite]

Nonsense, they will bite it

[@Niesnutzer]

Do you have any idea how bright current high-end flashlights are? Even at daytime brighter than the sun at a distance of a few meters

[@My_Dawg_Is_My_Ears]

@@Niesnutzer I thought they were illegal in most countries? Certainly can’t but in the UK

[@ghalihitmi]

That's scary😮i often go there fishing on a tiny 5mt center console... As he stated they r 7nm south west Spartel, Already outside the strait of gibraltar, atlantic waters, totally different from the area between spartel and gibraltar where there many interactions with orcas have been reported

[@MonthlyFailsVideoResearching]

Hey Tapati Hamburg, do you have an email address at which we could contact you regarding this video? We would be interested to discuss a license to use this video if this is generally possible? (i.e. via email) 🙂 Cheers, Felix

[@glamdring0007]

There's a reason they're called killer whales and not ocean ponies...

[@iroc341]

Thanks, Ron!

[@jackfntwist]

By the comments descriptions, I think they're disgruntled ocean unicorns.

[@paulvr3158]

'Whale Killers' actually, it's a meaning lost in translation.

[@stevescott7171]

As a curiosity I wonder if anything like the shark shield would have any effect on the way the Orcas interact with boats?

[@Steve-cs8nd]

Worth a try

[@D.M.ggww21]

Amazing animals. And so graceful. And they know what there doing.

[@edhall9656]

They know you went to SeaWorld

[@soulblack621]

😂😂

[@marcbloch1963]

They only attack lagoons as they have figured out how cheaply they are built….🤣

[@willknight1005]

Orcas hate defective bulkheads and poor quality 👍

[@philiptowell3281]

Who doesn’t like chewing plastic things? Such a nice sensation

[@illegalwidget267]

If they did attack you, you wouldn’t be here

[@Joe90V]

The music over the top is really calming, don't know what all the fuss is?

[@MonkPetite]

According to the presented study’s the orcas behaviour is trained due to fishermen. Apparently they where fishing here and orcas waited for the fish to be hauled up to their depths to catch some fish. Not the sea is empty and orcas don’t have any thing to feed on. So now they nock on the door of any vessel.

[@jaeljade3609]

exactly.

[@SledPemberton]

Probably the fishermen were feeding them with their waste catch. Doesn't take much to alter an animal's behavior.

[@philgray1023]

@@SledPemberton I was on a commercial fishing vessel. Because of quotas and restrictions on the kind of fish we were allowed to catch we were throwing back a continual stream of around half a tonne of "by catch" every net haul. Forced by governments to do that, unless you want to have your boat confiscated and go to jail.

[@celiagisbert9493]

You were so lucky to have such a close encounter with them! There is people paying fortunes to swim with them 🤣🤣 I'm sorry about your rudder though 😅

[@lisahyde1157]

Well that is one way to look at it. Lol

[@Sailing-alma]

Ich habe gesehen das ihr eine starlink Antenne habt funktioniert die gut?

[@MegaPixel404]

May be time to build an extremely loud underwater speaker attached to a variable frequency generator and see if a certain frequency at very loud volumes drives them away.

[@suesaines7443]

Silly question - could the boat not sail away? Or would that be more dangerous? Would be interested to know

[@meghanmoss8227]

I don't think there was enough wind to sail. I'm assuming they didn't leave until the orcas were gone to avoid injuring them with the motor.

[@jdcrawford]

I think an Orca can swim pretty fast

[@00ooCoraoo00]

Wie aufregend und wunderschö zu sehen in Freiheit und in ihrer Welt wo sie hingehören.Love them!!

[@zendesigner]

they should be culled

[@kreandi]

Wenn Menschenleben auf dem Spiel steht, dann hört der Spaß so langsam auf. Aber wer sie liebt, darf gerne zu den Orcas ins Wasser hüpfen.

[@OmmerSyssel]

Einfach dumm

[@00ooCoraoo00]

@@kreandi deine Meinung. Meine Meinung ist, dass das Gewässer den Orcas gehört und der Mensch dort zu Gast ist.

[@00ooCoraoo00]

@@OmmerSyssel Was meinst du?

[@stefflus08]

Was the depth sounder on?

[@Max-uu2gs]

Once we freed Willey, he told his new friends, Result ocean "Planet of the orcas!!! "

[@simoneconsciousobserver3105]

Wow, I have heard of Orcas attacking vessels. How horrific that must have been

[@jeffhodge7272]

Talk about a helpless feeling. Can't get way from them. That's a 40+ ft.boat too. They're pretty brazen.

[@supertuscans9512]

I agree a 45’ boat is a fair sized boat. I’m not sure if it’s a cat but if it is, it’s a really big boat.

[@MrSilus2000]

​@@jeffhodge7272This particular boat weighs like 35,000 pounds the orca can't do shit even if it wanted

[@jeffhodge7272]

@@MrSilus2000 The sure can damage to the rudder.Then you have no way to control and you become driftwood. 😏

[@MrSilus2000]

@@jeffhodge7272 are they really gonna come close to the propeller though?

[@ziggybender9125]

Back when the military was testing new sonar technology off the waters of Kauai, Hawaii I was on the cliffs above Shipwreck's Beach for the sunset when me and my friends witnessed something I've never heard of before. From our vantage point we had a pretty clear view of the entire horizon of ocean, The Humback Whales, The Orca's, and The Dolphins were everywhere you looked and behaving strangely. Everything seemed to be jumping out of the water as often as possible like they were trying to escape the sonar or something, then some of the Humpbacks started positioning themselves head facing towards the ocean floor with their tails above water and would violently smack their tails against the water surface 20-30 times per session. Then the sky started doing it's sunset thing and changing colors while all these ocean animals everywhere you looked continued to jump consistently as the Ocean surface reflected the sunset colors but broken up by the splashing, as it got dark a Comet came through the atmosphere and flared up into a big fireball in the dusky sky before disappearing almost instantly with the Ocean animals still jumping everywhere. Only me and one other member of the group saw the Comet at the end before we left but we all left in complete awe of what we just saw. My theory ever since has been related to the military sonar testing happening during that time, doesn't surprise me if there's some anger towards boats by whale populations.

[@altergreenhorn]

Military sonar for them is like you have bombs dropnig near you all the time.

[@John_Doe....]

knowing this i would turn of all electrics to see what happens.. (also, dive in and make friends 😃), they seem to be curious young females, they are not attacking, just checking the seaworthiness of the ship 😊

[@eeeffert6042]

where you livin now? kauai?

[@ziggybender9125]

@@John_Doe.... All of our phones were dead from camping at Polihale Beach over the weekend so all the electronics of ours were already dead (otherwise we'd have video 100%). Trust me though you would not have jumped in, the amount of action in the water made it look pretty likely you might get landed on by a heavy animal freaking out.

[@ziggybender9125]

@@eeeffert6042 What does that have to do with anything?

[@richardfelton4292]

Did you try turning off your depth sounder?

[@sailing1stwatch]

What would happen if you turned on the engine? Would it deter them?

[@joshellis2290]

I was thinking the same thing. Perhaps blasting some Megadeth on the speakers as well? LOL

[@PauloSantos-rm1mt]

In Portugal many sailing boats have been damaged, two were sunked. Orcas destroy the rudders, boats loose control. It is a sad situation, that has a strong impact in the pleasure of sailing. When you sail along the Portuguese coast, you never know when they are coming. There is some fear. For the damage, for loosing control, and for the life threatening. As I said two sailing vessels sunked..

[@Steve-cs8nd]

They must be stopped. Doing nothing is not an option.

[@horse-lover68]

I did not understand everything what they talked in the radio - did the coast guard offer help?? What if the orca's had sunken she vessel?? I don't want to be in a plastic rescue thingi with 15 orca's arround me which just sunk my boat?? Did the coat guard say they will come and help you???

[@christopheripad477]

It wasn’t the Coast Guard, it was a radio station that was listening on Ch16. They did offer advice, these 2 decided to ignore some of it.

[@1971efc]

Are there not flash bangs that can be thrown into the water to scare then away?

[@ZANGOJOE]

It's one thing to have sharks around you, but a complete different and more frightening thing when you have highly intelligent killers circling your boat.

[@sephysaurus]

I am relieved that only your toe was injured and that the animals were also ok. I have seen a few videos of these kinds of events with Orcas recently. So many animals play and train. I suspect if your boat was unoccupied, they will have played with it nonetheless. Fascinating behaviour. Thank you for recording it. I was so afraid for you in that moment, it must have been so scary.

[@gabrianbartholomew5297]

They are attacking the boat, they’ve attacked several in this region. Definitely not playing

[@sephysaurus]

@@gabrianbartholomew5297 you know, I am starting to believe that too

[@humanbean1424]

Nothing scary about this. These are gentle creatures. I would put my baby directly into the waters and would trust that nothing would happen. People are so ignorant.

[@sephysaurus]

@@humanbean1424 it seems they have sunk a couple of boats now. They don't seem gentle when they play seal tennis.

[@humanbean1424]

@@sephysaurus We're not seals.. We are intelligent beings, and Orcas are our cosmo relatives. Orcas can sense our auras because we share the same wave link. Namaste, Satnam 🙏.

[@johncastagna9279]

Wouldn’t it make sense to start the engines and sail away?

[@supertuscans9512]

An Orca can swim two and a half times faster than any cruising Cat that has ever been built.

[@CalledUntoHoliness]

The Little one was carefully observing and learning how to destroy boats lol.

[@philanderphillips2309]

"They're attacking the hull." "How can they attack the hull man, they're animals?!".

[@dafroz2479]

Maybe they were using the rudders to remove parasites.

[@bccradventures84]

Wonder if a person could throw one of them rubber ball bouy things out into the water and they would make go “play” with it and leave the boat alone?

[@philgray1023]

Or a giant inflatable flamingo or unicorn. I think that would be a goer.

[@jackfntwist]

Like a lead projectile that travels very fast.

[@JamesDoylesGarage]

Any guess why? And what might this mean into the future?

[@edl617]

I heard of some cruisers making a wide circle to the west just to keep away from this area.

[@rosamariamarquez2946]

A ver....como van unas orcas a poder dañar un barco de crucero??? Es surrealista

[@whistlerlife7180]

Yes, a wise move as this has been known for quite a while. Would not a good skipper avoid hurricanes, pirates, the pacific gyre & the sargasso sea? I think it is somewhat the 15 Minutes of Fame on KZbin factor😎

[@TRACKERV]

Just curiosity on the orcas part. If that many of them had been truly attacking, we would never have seen that film.

[@youtooaromatherapyyoga2991]

I agree! They’re one of the ocean’s top predators and if they wanted they’d have done way more damage! Why are they filming over the side of the boat when they’ve been specifically told not to?

[@macman1469]

Orcas showing you don't have to be a human to be an arsehole .

[@gkemplen]

Maybe because humans in boats are depleting their food source. Not sure if they can figure that out but it’s a thought.

[@JonDunnmusician]

I have read a lot of ignorant comments over the years but this one may take the cake

[@crazyfish9977]

🤡

[@Ellifiknow]

I heard that he was standing on the deck yelling, "Orcas suck!!!", before this happened.

[@LoriHolmquist]

Wow!

[@humbertomonteiro6742]

They have already sunk 2 sailboats On the coast of Portugal... 😮😮

[@whistlerlife7180]

anyone die? they have insurance? competent sailers? have the proper repair materials for offshore sailing & know how? appropriate offshore boat? Sailing is not mall shopping, there are risks, still pirates too. *Ships hitting whales have killed at least 12 in Canada this year & injured many more...

[@Mach1Greeble]

@@whistlerlife7180 Not much repair work too be done when a whale swims off with your rudder and leaves a gaping hole in your boat.

[@OmmerSyssel]

@@whistlerlife7180 it's not a question of competences or adequate behaviour. These vessels are not constructed for attacking creatures ...

[@whistlerlife7180]

@@Mach1Greeble read 'Nigel Calders repairs at sea' lots that could be done if you are prepared & understand there are many possible risks in offshore sailing. Some boats are inherently weaker/lighter in design/construction and are easier to damage & harder to repair ie spade rudders, bolt on keels, balsa cored hulls etc

[@whistlerlife7180]

@@OmmerSyssel Yes I agree, as the owner of a 49' 24 ton Colin Archer for 26 year, out board rudder on Gudgeon/pintles (no hole in hull for steering tube), encapsulated ballast in the solid hull, I would feel more secure, from deadheads, semi- submerged objects ie containers, groundings etc as well. I would also try to alter course to avoid any hazard that might sink or endanger my crew & boat; hurricanes, pirates, poorly charted reefs/shallow water, Icebergs, the Sargasso sea....

[@TheButlerNZ]

A friend of mine doing a solo crossing of Cookes Straight (New Zealand) to deliver his 30ft yacht to the top of the South Island for Xmas sailing. He was in calm weather when the oat was becalmed... He was resting at the tiller when it hove over to one side.. he tried to straighten it but it was hard over.. He looked over the side to find he was being "Attacked" by an Orca nearly the length of the yacht... The gentle giant had found a nice sharp object to scratch his belly on (keel and rudder) rather than having to swim 10k to the nearest rocks... Once it had had a good scratch it loped away, probably quite happy with itself. Orca are big dolphins. They are extremely intelligent. They don't attack solid objects like a boat (They can tell way more about a boat hull with a few clicks that you could with your hands). That's why there are NO documented reports of wild, free-living orcas ever having intentionally attacked humans. We get them quite a lot in Wellington. Often a mother will bring a calf into the harbour and take it round the coastline (possibly as it's a more sheltered training ground for beach pickings). There's some stunning footage of one in about 5ft of water under a wharf and another with a guy swimming with them (not recommended, one may get curious what we taste like)/

[@legrainproduction2760]

interesting !

[@ryankeen6756]

I think if they was going to get curious they would of by now

[@TheButlerNZ]

@@ryankeen6756 I like meat... mmmmmm Bacon !!!! but every now n then I give those "fake meat" things a try just to remind me how good real meat is.... Let's hope an Orca doesn't go "well if a shark can stomach them, maybe a quick entrée de surfer...

[@ryankeen6756]

@@TheButlerNZ or maybe they do eat humans just leave no remains so we'd never know

[@TheButlerNZ]

@@ryankeen6756 Or maybe they wear the skins an assimilate among us. Orca infestation...

[@rodneysmart9774]

Salmon flavored hull paint was a bad idea.

[@chrisruthford4492]

12 gauge shotgun, or a bang stick on a pole would put an end to that behavior.

[@paisteplayer1040]

That was my first thought.. loaded with slugs

[@americanpatriot8402]

You need long poking devices to show them it will hurt if you do this.

[@shellymilligan2953]

It’s their home!!!

[@jackfntwist]

@@shellymilligan2953 It's not their home. It belongs to everyone.

[@suparerksoponpis4450]

They might need help. I saw one clip that they stop the boat and then the boat follow them to see one of them being tangle with string net. And a guy on the boat cut it to free the one.

[@jackfntwist]

interesting theory. they are trying to turn the boat, maybe?

[@finncarlbomholtsrensen1188]

I think to remember an incident, many years ago, where a sailboat got attacked by orcas and the man abord sailed in a rescue raft for about a month before being saved?

[@ATAP...AnotherTime]

This happens when a boat injures a orca... They all defend

[@sebastianimages]

It's only a few of the pod taking part and it seems to me these are not being very aggressive. It could be your hulls and rudders make for a great "aquatic back scratcher". If they were truly attacking they would be ramming you quite a bit faster than they are moving here, and those gentle bumps would be a hell of a lot more traumatic.

[@jackfntwist]

Thank you for your human explanation of animal behavior. Biting fiberglass rudders off is just playful curiosity.

[@RoySATX]

If you are the one on the boat I'm sure it would appear to be an attack. My neighbor's cat plays aggressively according to them, but my bleeding shin is proof of an attack.

[@jeffhodge7272]

@@jackfntwist How does he explain the boats sinking? Biting the rudder and breaking it sure as he'll wouldn't sink it.

[@davepersich3035]

Generally causes a bad leak on the rudder shaft, can even split the hull. If the bilge pumps can't cope the boat will eventually sink.@@jeffhodge7272

[@alejandrovidal_TWP]

Orcas have been attacking sailboats in the east of the Atlantic Ocean, from Galicia to marroco. This issue is under investigation but, by the time nobody have an answer. The hipotesis about the behavior sugest a play or a training for teach the hatchlings how to hunt.

[@rosamariamarquez2946]

La respuesta es simple, quieren hundir la embarcación y comerse a las personas a bordo. Atacan al igual que a una ballena, no es que practiquen, están directamente atacandote como a ellas.

[@SailProMarina]

They are playing and need to be " deterred " from this behaviour. My friends off Portugal shot flares at them and they left quickly.

[@jackfntwist]

Moby Dick was written in 1850. Fishermen know this has been happening for many centuries.

[@ideapowerfulweapon]

@@SailProMarina I think this issue will be solved eventually by sailors using politically incorrect measures.

[@renatofigueiredo603]

Wow! 4 hours. Generaly they use only 30 minutes. Unfortunately we still don't know why they are attacking the boats.

[@AhmedYoussef-kd9nc]

A frequency sound device would probably work as a deterrent

[@stefanmargraf7878]

I f it is a more serious attack, i would recommend something else: detonating Birdbangers (Pyroknallpatronen, Umarex, P1, Blitzkartusche), shot by a flare pistol into the water. They detonate in the water after a few seconds swimming and do no harm to the animals beside of the loud bang. There have been live threating attacks. I believe they learned that those boats are evil, because of an accident with an orca baby and a boat. The problem is, that aggressive behaviour is learned by the others, meanwhile.

[@craigbmm4675]

yup my thoughts too . flare into the water .. or gun shots

[@philgray1023]

I wondered if they like chili oil. It spreads like magic on water. Breathing it in is about the least fun you can have.

[@rustykilt]

There is no real aggression. they seem to be more inquisitive. but it is frightening.

[@jackfntwist]

No aggression? You seem to not understand how strong fiberglass / metal is.

[@D.M.ggww21]

What freaks me out. There so smart.

[@suckit5092]

“Yea, they have all one breath, so that man hath no preeminence over beast, for all is vanity.”

[@dickenscider7328]

As a sailor who has fortunately sailed through this area without incident. I think a simple solution would be to rig up some sort of electrical discharge to the rudder, ( similar to an electric fence), they will quickly learn through non lethal pain to avoid boats. Again an electric fence will dissuade a 2 ton bull even if it’s turned off once it has been zapped. I dread to think what would happen if Orca started to damage and sink boats off the US coast?👉👉

[@davidc.9933]

Great, except a fence is insulated from the ground, and the bull becomes ground contact. Comprende, boomer?

[@MonkPetite]

Nonsense

[@dickenscider7328]

Yeah! Obviously neither of you have heard of an electric eel . Why don’t you think of a better solution then, ‘pricks!’

[@catamaranstingray5464]

Welder on board for ocean panda!

[@youmakeitreal]

How do electric eels hunt?

[@mojoneko8303]

I've sailed the coast of Alaska for months at a time for 20+ years. I've had several Orcas come very close to my boat on many occasions but I've never had one actually make contact with it. Up here in the summer the Orcas are more interested in feeding on schools of salmon than messing with boats unless your a commercial fisherman with a net full of Salmon.. I think these Orcas in the Straits of Gibraltar are bored and have created a new game. Sail Boat Tipping. 🙂 Maybe if you fired off an air horn or even an air cannon under water that would drive them off. Good Luck

[@Cyndy101]

I agree!

[@peterd1459]

That's another reason why I love my steel boat.

[@rualho]

O 450 tem tem o saildrive antes do leme. Porquê parar o motor? Nunca baixar velas, deve ligar motor e acelerar.

[@captainwin6333]

Take some kind of underwater sonic device that plays extremely loud sounds at various frequencies then note which one's make the whales leave the area.

[@jackfntwist]

Yeah like a shotgun.

[@editingreality4779]

Something must have happened. These beautiful but dangerous creatures don’t just attack your vessel. Did they hit one while sailing or did one get tangled up into their anchor. Something is wrong here and I bet these orcas are trying to save one of their own family members. Probably one is caught up in their anchor line or the boat hit one.

[@michaelreed9805]

If this had been an actual attack there would be no doubt about it. You would know right away. Curiosity from a marine animal this big will do some damage...but a actual attack would disassemble your craft pretty quick

[@samcarrs]

If your bulkheads weren’t already cracked they are now.

[@stedebonnet1340]

I wonder if a loud UW horn would spook them away. But I guess it could just piss them off too :)

[@Sam-hf8nq]

Was thinking the same thing. Some kind of frequency that would cause them to move far away but wouldn't injure them.

[@stedebonnet1340]

@@Sam-hf8nq I worked on a dive boat once and we had a nice underwater speaker you could actually play music on. When it was time to get the divers back on board, we played the theme from Jaws. Worked like a charm!

[@Bill23799]

The loud noise I would make is drop an M-80 firework overboard tied to a rock. Mini Depth Charge.

[@Davebohl4]

I think an M 80 or two in the water will get them to move along pretty quickly

[@muffdiver4973]

Exactly what I was thinking.

[@aikidoisthebombyeah]

why didn't you just harpoon one... teach it a lesson...

[@russbates493]

luv it , was thinking the same, it will stop that behavior pretty quick

[@edl617]

Until one leaves the water and belly flops on to your Boat

[@SailingMarly]

I’m not sitting on my boat while a monster eats it. Shut the camera off do what ya gotta do

[@Hugging_Cactus]

sir richard harris actually made a movie about this kind of thing in 1979. God rest his soul ❤

[@scotttyner5375]

Get some Flex Seal tape so you can fix leaks from the outside!!