Fursuits | The Furry Drama Wheel

[@_Wyzteria_]

i'm not a furry, but i can't help but be so invested in furry drama, it's like a soap opera for me..

[@wintershock]

As a furry it is like a soap opera. Sometimes it’s just straight up funny too.

[@piklan89]

Based pfp

[@LilfoxTheHybridHylian5967]

Tbh, don't blame you

[@themyofmy]

the first step: denial

[@_Wyzteria_]

@@piklan89 word 🔥

[@riotwire]

98% of fursonas are just wolves with different recolors and furries get up in arms about designs looking similar lmao

[@paracuna]

Ong like you do you and all, but it feels like anything that isn't a wolf or a fox feels 10 times more original already, those are just my thoughts tho, I just wish we got to see more than just that.

[@LilacMonarch]

Yeah I have no problem with them, I love wolves and foxes. But with ones that saturated with OCs you really can't claim a design is too similar to yours that's not fair to anyone. Don't do it in general either, whatever species you go with, leave people alone lol

[@DFunct905]

@@LilacMonarch My fursona is a rainbow colored fox who wears a scarf tied on the left! You stole my character!

[@LilacMonarch]

@@DFunct905 l000l

[@LilfoxTheHybridHylian5967]

Well....I mean. Some ppl take originality seriously Can't blame em But sometimes people need to realize that not everyone is trying to rip off their designs.

[@Damacles1776]

Imagine being in a part of your life where you are typing into a forum "It was I who made the Confederate Flag Fursuit"

[@chip4039]

Ridiculous

[@Mai.Calico]

Imagine being in a part of your life where you have a protogen profile image. ( ͠° ͟ʖ ͡°)

[@Damacles1776]

@@Mai.Calico I know, USB stick prices are crazy rn

[@donovanlocust1106]

​@@Mai.Calico I'm p sure one is worse than the other

[@Mai.Calico]

@@Damacles1776 All I can hope is that it's just a phase.

[@sarrakitty]

The thing with Vex is so goddamn stupid. It's a fairly generic werewolf design with natural looking fur colors. Vex doesn't own the concept of a big muscular werewolf, lol. Maybe the maker WAS trying to ride the coattails of popularity with a similar design, but they still don't deserve the level of shit they got about it.

[@LilacMonarch]

Yeah it's really dumb. It's like trying to claim someone's rainbow sparkledog is copying you. Bro everyone makes those

[@DakotaWolf666]

It's like people who put "don't copy my fursona" when their fursona is just a blue fox

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@DakotaWolf666 Bonus points if they're half red, half blue, but the red side has a blue eye, and the blue side has a red eye, and they wield a flaming sword that's also half red, half blue. The funniest part is that I'd still have to be more specific if I was pointing anyone out.

[@ao9688]

Tbh the “knockoff” looks better than Vex’s.

[@rustyshackleford1697]

For real. I have a pretty generic Husky character and though I've seen similar but not 100% identical to my Sona I don't freak out because you know...I didn't invent huskies. Lmao

[@foxbuns]

breasts are not *inherently* sexual, however they are a part that is *socially sexualized*. when the part is enlarged to the point of no longer being natural proportions for 99% of humans, it is the act of enlarging the body parts (you don't add massive pendulous breasts if you do not want them to be noticed and stared at), which makes it proof of being fetishized. a fetish is literally defined as a specific body part being highlighted and focused on for sexual desire, and what is the point of enlarging them til they can no longer be ignored, if not focusing on it for sexual desire.

[@foxbuns]

@Rat_in_a_bucket exactly!! Totally okay to be into, uh, whatever that fursuit is catering to. Just dont force unwilling, nonconsenting people, especially children, to have to see your fetishes because you want to be an edgy weirdo in a public space.

[@firepelt3180]

I agree. I'm all for people doing this type of stuff. What I'm really against is walking around public areas with children in suits like THAT.

[@foxbuns]

@@firepelt3180 definitely. & that's why "not inherently sexual" is such an invalid point; 2 things can be true at the same time.

[@ayoomike]

cushions Incase they fall while skateboarding duh

[@LilacMonarch]

@@ayoomike wouldn't that be putting them on the knees and/or elbows? ...please tell me that's not a fetish people actually have

[@nottartaglia]

i mean, looking at Fionas fetishes she posts on her twitter, it is extremely hard to believe its not fetish related. shes literally into hyper. shes not a bad person (from what ive seen) and actually seems to be pleasent, but people claiming the suit has no sexual links is just outrightly false

[@GenericMcName]

Honestly, I love your simplified thumbnail version of your fursona to an obsessive degree. He's a marketable plushie.

[@Electrolux219]

Same here. I wanna see it more

[@fish914]

Oh boy i love man-made horrors beyond my comprehension.

[@steventalvinzvestal420]

Funny humans am I right?

[@MisterJohnDoe]

This don't know, this seems pretty comprehensive.

[@vultusalbus4216]

Shadow Wolfess barely compares to that man from Quebec who regularly does his Sonic The Hedgehog plush and has been doing it for 30 years

[@MollyMargolisBillCipherIsBae]

Hey! Im glad you covered at least one of the hyperboob suits. As a woman who has seen one in person, I felt incredibly uncomfortable around it. I saw the argument of both sides, but as Twitter tends to do, of course they made a false equivalency and argued in incredibly bad faith based in viewing oneself as the only victim in an effort to defend these types of suits. Look, I’m not against you if you’re in favor of these suits, just please don’t claim that being against them is misogyny.

[@sarrakitty]

I think that's an entirely valid feeling to have. People shouldn't act like they have the right to tell you how to feel about that style of suit. I tend towards being more accepting of them personal... Though if I'm being honest, I feel like it depends on the proportion of the suit in question. Fiona's kinda goes over the line to where it's clearly intended to be sexy or a physical representation of hyper kink. I'm not gonna badmouth her for wearing it, the furry fandom being the furry fandom there are plenty of kink positive and explicitly sexualized spaces that would welcome a suit like that and I'll admit one of my own 'sonas has somewhat similarly exaggerated proportions. So I of all people would be sympathetic towards her.. Buuuuut I just feel like people should be mindful of where they are wearing a suit like that and if anything else, at least dress or cover it appropriately. I don't think it makes one a misogynist at all to ask questions about where this would be appropriate.

[@MollyMargolisBillCipherIsBae]

@@sarrakitty right, like, I have an inside joke about my primary sona that I’ve had for years because whenever I drew her, I kept on accidentally drawing her with larger boobs. Since then, I’ve gotten way better at proportions, and stuff. The problem for me is when the hyper boob suits are worn in public, non-sexualized spaces. Like, for example, at the same con with the boob suit, the main floor of the dealers den was selling vore and transformation items. It’s incredibly uncomfortable when you’re just walking around and trying to have a good time. That same con even had a separate NSFW floor, so to me, it felt like there was no excuse for selling those items on the main floor. I just have to wonder why it can’t be like other non-furry conventions where those aspects are in a separate area explicitly meant for them. (Edit: I think I should clarify that I will never be making her or any of my characters as a boob suit. Despite the fact that my main sona does have assets on the mid-larger end of the scale (I’m not talking about hyper size. I’m talking about realistically proportional ones), I don’t feel that having a boob suit would accurately represent her, and again, I feel uncomfortable around them. If they were more realistic proportions, I’d be less inclined to be uncomfortable around them. As it stands, though, most that I’ve seen have been so disproportionate to the body that it’s obvious it’s for fetishization.)

[@MustardCrow]

I remember in some other video about the horse fursuit, I said that it was not representation of curvy women and I got called a misogynist 😭😭😭

[@ao9688]

People conveniently forget that bimbofication and hyper-whatever is a fetish.

[@LilacMonarch]

It's a literal fetish, "kink shaming" is not misogyny. Also fetishes are not acceptable in public sfw places.

[@Chococodile]

On the dreadlocks issue, my opinion as a black furry with a fursona that has dreads, I personally do not care if someone puts dreads on their fursona or oc, whether or not they are black or white etc. I know some folks will disagree and I understand that it's typically associated with our people and I admittedly come from the standpoint of not having dreads cuz my hair is too short (I literally have the Cleveland Brown hairdo) so I don't care as much.

[@skaardd]

Cultural appropriation is merely imitation which is the sincerest form of flattery. Exporting and propagating one's culture is one of the greatest things you can do, look what Japan has given the world and the economic boon it is to them to have so many foreigners interested in their culture.

[@LilacMonarch]

@@skaardd Yeah I have never understood the "cultural appropriation is harmful" argument. Saying people can't share their culture with the world is incredibly sad. I can understand in cases where it's specifically being done in a mocking way, but if there's not any clear malice then leave people alone. Especially with something as simple as doing hair. Literally anyone can make dreads and no one race "owns" them.

[@rebellupus6484]

​@@skaardd I've noticed it's mostly white people who enforce this "cultural appropriation" shaming when people are sharing cultures. As if they have the right to speak on those other cultures behalves. :/

[@StariTheAstronaut]

People are reluctant to share their culture in a world where they don't feel welcome. Places literally have to have laws in place so black people don't get discrimated against for their own natural hairstyles. But that goes for any culture really and people not even educating themselves on anything they're taking

[@KnightOfTheWired]

​@@skaarddbut how can a hair style belong to one single culture, when it was style of hair that had utilitarian uses. The Greeks had curly and even course hair, while sailing it was best to keep your hair manageable, so dreading was a common practice to keep clean when you cant be washing every day. The early dutch vikings would do the same, because it was useful. It just seems like an ignorant opinion that only exists in the west.

[@yourhope5410]

Tbh I really don’t like the oversexualized Fursuits, it feels like they are fetishizing people’s bodies and when they are worn in public it’s involving non-consenting parties in a kink which isn’t cool. Also your ending song is Ghost by Nelward, right? I love that song!!

[@RedReign]

GOD the whole ripoff fursuit thing gives me anxiety. a couple days ago i saw a suit in a video that looked almost *exactly* like my own fursona. i've only recently started drawing digitally again but tbh now i'm scared of posting any art of my sona because i don't wanna get immediately cancelled/accused of straling my own character

[@LilfoxTheHybridHylian5967]

Well change up the design a bit

[@swiggydswirl330]

The classic episode of South Park, "Simpsons Did It," and Yourmoviesucks's video on "Kimba The White Lion," would help you illustrate how to combat these accusations. Basically, when you have a premise that is not all that unique, there is destined to be an overlap in how that premise is personally used. Something like color composition to style a specific anthropomorphic character in a pleasing way to the eyes would mean there is a limited pool of colors to choose from. That is completely normal and any artist who accuses another of stealing their art when the design is based on a broad premise, uses complimentary colors, and is meant to be recognizable, should probably get over themselves. At this point in history, everything has been inspired by the past. Obviously don't openly plagiarize someone else's work, but also don't limit your creativity because of the fear of a coincidence happening. Tldr; If someone accuses you of stealing their art and you know you didn't, break down why they think it's stolen and call them out for their bs

[@billcipher8645]

​@@LilfoxTheHybridHylian5967 why should they change their design and not the person they saw with a similar one? That's the problem, they can coexist without changing anything as they were similar ideas sparked by different people with no influence on each other

[@Chordata-flyer]

When it comes to similar designs, its way more respectful for the OG designer to message the maker privately and ask them to talk to the commissioner about small detail changes that would set the newer character apart more clearly. Be adults about it, damn.

[@LilacMonarch]

Yeah immediately jumping to a callout post is incredibly petty and immature. At least try to talk to them directly first

[@Chordata-flyer]

@@LilacMonarch exactly. Keep reciepts in case they try shit or ignore you and THEN post the call out.

[@MettaFTW]

im iffy on that werewolf suit situation...

[@camiblack1]

Seriously, it was a realistic werewolf suit, there's not going to be a ton of variation to it.

[@sarrakitty]

I can see Vex's argument on this but I end up on the suitmaker's side. You shouldn't be able to lay claim to a fur pattern that could occur naturally on a real animal and tell anyone else they aren't allowed to have that pattern on their own suit/sona.

[@Chordata-flyer]

​​@@sarrakitty i think the better way to have handled that would be for Vex to privately message both maker and commissioner about making design tweaks to set the suits apart more clearly. Maybe a different eye color, a bit more white, etc..etc...

[@neonbat666]

That's exactly what I was thinking! "I'm so popular they're biting my style" Like, dude, they're a gray/brown bara wolf. There's tons of memes in the fandom about how common that sona archetype is!

[@Constylations]

Damn, didn't know the dreadlocks issue was that big As a black furry (even tho I'd much rather stay by the edge of the Furry Community circle) IMO I don't really see the problem, hairstyles, clothes, all that. As long as it's not in malicious intent and in many instances; design choice, I believe it's fine. You're creating what you want and inspiration is gonna come from many sources I don't like this idea of gatekeeping these kinds of design choices and I'm gonna reiterate; it's only my opinion. I understand there's tensions and all that, there's no avoiding that. But all n all, I'm just amazed that this issue is common / big (tho I do simultaneously live under and on top of a rock when it comes to internet stuff, especially things about the furry community since I keep my distance) Reminds me when I had a nasty encounter with this petty individual who tried to throw as much mud on my name as possible. One of their many failed allegations was about how my sona having dreads and "dark colored skin" is racist and made claims that I was posing as a black person because of that. Luckily I was able to shut down their claims with a simple pic of my arm. They quickly went silent lol (and yeah I have braids, not dreads yet since mah hair needs to grow out more) To close off, very great video, always happy to see an upload from you about these wild topics ^^

[@LilfoxTheHybridHylian5967]

Agreed

[@OmicronBravo]

Jesus, never expected a drama wheel on a fucking FURSUIT

[@undeaddoeinc.407]

I almost was a roommate to Magnus waaayyy back in 2013-14. But he said I could only live there is I had s*x with him. I told him no and he said I didn't have a choice threatening to r*p* me.... Needless to say I blocked his number and never looked back. Edit: By roommate I mean living in the same apartment NOT a con roommate

[@vaporean_boylove.0w083]

Mathafucka sounds so unhinged! Glad you blocked and never looked back. Dude ain't right!

[@stephanniemorin]

I'm sorry that happened

[@Smidgefishh]

I love the vex one lmao my guy my fursona is a white sparkly cat, should I go yell at everyone who has a white sparkly cat sona? no that would be childish and ridiculous. vex's sona is nothing but the most basic wolf imaginable.

[@wintershock]

Same. Like I have two fursonas. My main one being a basic goat and my other actually being a somewhat unique wyvern. I’m not going to get mad at someone for also having a basic goat fursona. In fact I will likely try to befriend them because we look similar.

[@kkngd391]

​@@wintershockomg are you a goat as well?

[@wintershock]

@@kkngd391 yeah

[@LilfoxTheHybridHylian5967]

That's why I make my Sona with an original design...so I don't get into crap like this....but ppl need a wake up call...... coincidences happen

[@lepreking]

Felt, my main sona is just an orange bobtail cat. The most unique thing about him is his markings, if even that. It just comes with the territory

[@nachgeben]

It's worth noting that dreadlocks might've originated with the Greeks formally, but all races have used them. All races have the presence of kinky, curly hair, and back when, that was the best way to handle it.

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

Some people think dreadlocks originated in India

[@TheDigitalApple]

The vikings were also believed to have dreads.

[@flunkiebubs2002]

The ancient Celts wore their hear locked and braided

[@AHylianWarrior]

The fact is dreadlocks existed in all of human society but has become stereotypically associated with black people and I don't know why they're buying in to the stereotype. Dreadlocks were often a thing with poor people too who didn't wash their hair and it would become so tangled they'd turn in to dreads with the most extreme example turning into "Polish plaits". It's so dumb trying to claim a hairstyle

[@SarsTheSecond]

@@flunkiebubs2002 Kelts, Slavs, Germans, ect.

[@seasluggy]

I think the fiona suit is sexual, I remember at the time looking at their twitter, and seeing hyper booba art. It was a fetish character. Just imagine a kid seeing that :(

[@arandomidiot1593]

Yeah the suit is 100% designed to be sexual…the character it’s based on is an OC made for porn art.

[@arandomidiot1593]

And I’m not saying I think the suit’s owner is a bad person or had nefarious intentions with regards to wearing the suit out in public, I just think she was being bone-headed about the whole thing, did something stupid and got salty about the backlash. I think her biggest mistake was putting the bikini on…no matter how busty(or flat!!) you are, wearing a _string bikini_ in a public place that’s not a pool, beach, or area directly surrounding them(like a boardwalk) is inappropriate. If she had the more modest outfit on from the start I feel like it wouldn’t be as big of a deal.

[@seasluggy]

@@arandomidiot1593 that’s the thing, like if your suit is made for fetish reasons, at least wear a shirt or something, because a bikini is just like your trying to show it off. And the way people where straight up lying and saying it’s not a fetish character and that women can naturally like that. Like of course women can be like that, but why wear the bikini.

[@GreyWolf09]

@@strugglinglawl damn that sounds messed up

[@vanilla_labelle]

you need to make a video called "Lawsuits: infamous legal battles in the furry community"

[@SandraMicroline]

I am still horrified to have met at least one of the people featured in this video. There's a ton of good people in the fandom (why would anyone stick around if there wasn't) but I've run in to legitimate nut cases and creeps on more than a few occasions.

[@arandomidiot1593]

Which one, if you don’t mind me asking??

[@drakenbakken]

Fursuit maker here- On similar suits the idea that generic characters are copying each other is hilarious, how many white wolves are there? How about a generic husky? If Nintendo isn't going after peoples custom pokemon fusonas all these people can get over it lol One thing I think should've been mentioned is the absurd amount of scamming in the trade right now

[@Pansagebkl]

im honestly surprised Liquid Sunshine Studios didn't make it onto here what with metal in fursuit heads and general hostile behavior towards some customers but the DHC situation is honestly much worse by comparison

[@wubbinz]

what kind of metal

[@saintsheepy6682]

Not just metal, someone said they once found 🐰💩 in the fluff used to make the suits. 🤢

[@tarobug2560]

Personally I 5ink that, while it could have been done more respectfully, the ‘do not hug’ list was actually brilliant and well needed. There are a lot of reasons people would want to avoid interacting with a big expensive sex toy and that should be just as well-respected as people who *use* those big expensive sex toys. Like, I feel this fandom is so pro-sexuality that they forget to support the people who don’t *want* to engage with sexual material. They refuse to acknowledge that there is a time and a place and there *are* some things that step over the line of socially acceptable. Hyper suits, kink and fetish gear, kink and fetish material in the dealer’s den- it’s all made this fandom into less of a welcoming community and more of a weird little sex cult. That isn’t to say those sorts of material shouldn’t exist at all, just that it should not be in shared, public spaces that are specifically welcoming to all ages. Again, time and a place. (And swinging back to my first statement: *NO MATTER HOW CLEAN YOU THINK YOUR SUIT IS YOU CANNOT REMOVE CUM FROM FOAM, POLYFIL OR FAUX FUR*)

[@zeosummers3984]

it isn't a sex cult?

[@tarobug2560]

@@zeosummers3984 it isn’t, no. There’s a large part of the fandom (most of it, realistically) that doesn’t have much interest in sexual material at *all*.

[@kylepenguinlover6806]

i really appreciate that when talking about nsfw topics you just say it how it is instead of beating around the bush or going "haha peeny funny" because it is SO exhausting to listen to...

[@TheRoseBoy11]

The great furry drama never disappoints in how much there is and how DEEP the rabbit hole goes.

[@LilacMonarch]

hehehe the rabbit hole

[@DFunct905]

LOL It goes all the way to Benji's Bejroom.

[@LightCrib2]

@@DFunct905 lmao bejroom

[@TheRoseBoy11]

@@LilacMonarch pun entirely intended.

[@Frick8375]

@@DFunct905bruh 💀

[@spaced0utt420]

Amazing video! It always baffles me how some of these people are allowed at cons. Like the confederate flag suit, the n*zi suits, growley, and many more, also on the note remember when they tried to make a con for those who were banned from most other cons lol. It’s a shame how many controversial people are in the fandom but I guess those people are bound to pop up everywhere :/

[@wubbinz]

why are there so many nazis in the fandom?

[@daisydusk4179]

You constantly both break and restore my faith in the furry fandom (through telling of the cursed never-ending drama while being a logical and informative member of the fandom). Thank you lmao

[@obvioustubist2481]

I love the choice of LISA: The Painful OST you played during the Carpet Samples segment!

[@viaspiderz]

thing is that a lot of suiters are murrsuiters and you'd have no idea they were one until you found their twitter or if they told you. in most cases mursuiters tend to be cleaner than a lot of ppl who aren't murrsuiters as well

[@Chordata-flyer]

It makes sense. No sane person wants to bone while wearing something dirty. Just gross. Being festidious about cleanliness is how people who participate in that sort of thing stay safe and healthy.

[@Techyena]

This, not enough ppl say it. But any responsible murrsuiter cleans their suit frequently, that weirdo arguing that there’s fluids crusted to them- no… that’s just nasty. Pretty sure uncleanly murrsuiters are disliked and ostracized by other murrsuiters too. Bodily fluids clean out of synthetic fur, it’s not blood

[@rubyy.7374]

@@Techyena I remember a friend telling me about how he had a friend who worked at a convention center. He said the most polite, easy to work with people were actually from the BDSM community. That stuck with me.

[@blazichaos7181]

​@@rubyy.7374 Not even just that, I heard that apparently NSFW commisioners tend to be more polite compared to SFW commissions. And the very idea that someone who might commision bowser being railed by a yoshi could be more polite and easier to work with then someone who simply gets a fox commission scares me. To be fair it makes sense in many cases, we're talking about people who are already ostracised by a lot of people, coming of as weirdo/assholes is just trouble and they know it. Espically for the BDSM community who's entire foundation is consent and communication since you know, one wrong step and they could very much be in hot water. depending on how intense the BDSM is.

[@SimpleNicks]

i wanna watch this I really do but god I cant take more DHC drama, so here's a comment to boost, a fat like, and I shall return another day

[@LilfoxTheHybridHylian5967]

Fair enough

[@fellowsinner9683]

Carpet samples is like an unbelievable creepypasta inspired by FNAF, but Is a real ass man

[@honeybun3484]

The history of dreadlocks, understandably, is complex. The earliest written reference of locks is found in Vedic scriptures, holy Hindu texts dating back to 1500BC, in which Lord Shiva's hair is referred to as 'jata', a sanskrit word meaning “twisted locks of hair”

[@crow1an]

Fursuits are the fandom's border between rich and poor.

[@wubbinz]

rich old ceos

[@nanaki5308]

you literally just have to take one look at fiona's furaffinity to see its 100% a fetish suit, its clearly all for a fetish

[@bellahexdanna3220]

The one thing I will say is I plan to market my suits to individuals with medical conditions, I plan to make my suit with ease of use bladder relief plans like the suit being in to or more parts like a set of pants and shirt. I don't want to me mistaken with a mursuit because I have a medical condition and want to suit.

[@CrankyCanine]

Omg thats a really great idea!!! I fully endorse this

[@gigachad4291]

Dreadlocks and Races? Bruh it is a cartoon dog, that boy has no race 💀💀😊

[@Dearon_]

Yes, I agree gigachad

[@Rhyolite-hyena]

Presenting as an anthro animal has so many good perks. No dismissing someone bc of race, just welcome their choices.

[@Shi_Okami161]

As a person who is a furry fighting over people trying to copy your character is a pain in the butt, I've had to make multiple changes to where I've gotten to the point where some have to stop but ill get a few here and there and will end up calling them out for the obvious reason but at the end of the day it's the personality that they can't copy of my character.

[@rac1equalsbestgame853]

I didn't want to get reminded of Carpet Sample like that...

[@donovanlocust1106]

No one does

[@rac1equalsbestgame853]

@@donovanlocust1106 Just hearing "carpet sample" made me flinch...

[@BlisaBLisa]

bro that comparison between a masculine looking fursuit and the very fetishy horse one is so ridiculous lmao, people put boobs on their fursonas all the time (obviously since there are female furries and the sona is meant to represent them) I dont think anyone would care if you put titties on the fursuit, but the insane proportions are obviously fetishy. i doubt people would be cool with a fetishy masculine fursuit either

[@StavDev]

My heart dropped when I heard "carpet sample"... That shit is horrifying

[@rossjohnstone4689]

I had to admit, never expected a drama wheel on the suits some of us choose (or can afford) to wear. But the more you look into it, the more layers there are to it.

[@middknyte]

As a black guy, I really don't care if you wanna wear dreads, "space buns", or a crew cut. Fictional or irl. I honestly feel like someone getting offended over something like that has too much time on their hands.

[@kalypsokallista3085]

As someone with large sets, I feel like the furry community does tend to fetishize women with larger assets, especially bigger women. Seeing something like that doesn’t make me feel included, it makes me uncomfortable myself. That’s just my opinion according to how it makes me feel.

[@Thomas_times_two]

8:40 Ultrakill mentioned 🤖 🤖 🤖 🤖 🤖 🤖 🤖 🤖 🤖 🤖 🤖 🤖 🤖

[@Proot-ts3jb]

8:56 She had no need to apologize she did nothing wrong. Never bow down to the mob

[@LilacMonarch]

Agreed

[@realgreyfish]

omg the outro music choice is top tier i love nelward sm

[@curechan164]

“Wheel of drama , with your host lagovirt”

[@magnus1383]

This makes me feel like I would NOT do well in the furry art community if people throw full tantrums and go immediately public when they SUSPECT that something was copied. Things looking similar happens a lot when you use basic fur patterns common on specific animals and breeds and generic colors. DM the fursuiter before going public. I just make funky little aliens and robots and sometimes take requests, I don't need the drama. Most artists would agree with me that making a public drama before reaching out privately would potentially get you blacklisted _along with_ the client. Characters looking similar happens a lot, even with non-natural looks. There are so many alien and monster designs that look alike, even with the huge amount of freedom available in designing them. I really don't think it's worth the drama to immediately go public over it, especially against an individual rather than a company. "I'm so distinctive and unique they have no choice but to bite my style" As an artist who doesn't really have a style, I don't want to say this, but _what style?_ Be humble. If anyone came at me with that energy, they'd have reduced any chance at a genuine conversation so badly. Even after talking it out, they'd be in the bad books fr.

[@LocalToaster.]

I did NOT expect to all of a sudden see minos prime in this video that just made me burst out laughing

[@scuderiadoggo378]

Furry drama: we have lots of drama within the furry community F1 drama: hold our driver's championship trophy. Believe me, F1 community has lots and I mean lots of drama and controversy than Furry community. The controversial 2009 Singapore Crashgate is one of them.

[@REfan2002]

Babe, wake up! New Lago vid is up.

[@Koplerio]

For the Anthrocon 2022 points ... I think the main issue is the amount of clothing present on the suit. One thing I've very much noticed... you either wear no clothing and have it basically be fluff- or you at least wear shorts and shirts. Anything inbetween is seen as questionable, if not outright sexual. Then again, most people don't care ... unless it's in a space specifically made to be childfriendly. And for a childfriendly space... you probably want more clothing that none when exagerating parts of a body that are deemed unsafe for children to see bare by current social standards.

[@endo1709]

the part with LoloFennec, I actually saw that when it started lmao, I defended Nymeria and responded with the argument that its a damn hair style and anyone can use it, LoloFennec did actually call me a racist and blocked me on twitter for saying such an outrageous thing about a hair style, still blocked lmao its pretty funny thinking back on it

[@Ambiino]

Ayyyyy, that’s my video of Fiona. (I was waiting for a friend of mine! I think that was the day of the Fursuit Parade) She’s an absolute sweetheart and I’m only upset that I didn’t know about her sooner or got to hug her. It was my second AC overall, I didn’t see her in 2018, (it’s my local con and I was too busy and broke for AC2019) so I never knew suits like that existed and especially so that I’m not knee-deep into the furry fandom to know everyone or everything that goes on within (I’m more drawn to anime). I was shocked, in a good way, lol my caption was ambiguous so my fault there. I didn’t expect my video to get grabbed up my normie Twitter either. People thought I wasn’t a fan of the suit but like??? I am lol just not probably as vocal as they want me to be. If Fiona wanted me to take down the video I definitely would. I do hope to run into her this year and give her a hug.

[@sarrakitty]

While I have some slight reservations of a suit like that in a space that's supposed to be all ages, the things I've seen people say towards Fiona are just wrong... like especially one that Benji mentioned in the video, the accusation of being a zoophile. That's messed up to accuse someone of being that without actual evidence. Also, honestly... I do kinda like the suit, I just find it to be clearly adult oriented. Interesting to hear some context behind the video! People will always assume the worst or fill in their own biases so I guess they assumed you were against it too.... :(

[@Ambiino]

@@sarrakitty Even at AC22 there were some mutterings about Fiona being a zoo and I did distance myself when I did see her suit after being told, I was skeptic and didn’t want to take from my con experience while with friends and wasn’t shown proof (cause I also didn’t ask, I’m there to have fun with friends I see 3 days out of a year) There was Duke who looked so Daddy but like??? I saw nothing wrong with the suit because anime cosplayers will have ass cheeks and breasts out and kids go to anime conventions too and I don’t see anyone causing a stink over that. Sounds ignorant but that’s just me. 🥲

[@sarrakitty]

@@Ambiino Sorry to hear about that... I genuinely hope those rumors are not true because we sure as hell don't need any more of that nastiness in this fandom. And yeah, the same sort of rules apply in cosplay IMO. I'm fine with it if it's the time and place.

[@DFunct905]

I like how you try to be respectful of the people you cover even if it seems you disagree with them.

[@Toast-com]

Your videos are nice to listen to in the background.

[@CongregationGDReal]

that ultrakill reference was godly

[@brimstonesulfur5013]

I love the hyperboob horse

[@rougevulpes]

I saw the confederate flag suit irl at Anthrocon. The guy was already banned and tried to sneak in with his big ass trump sign and we watched him get thrown out by security. Pretty fun memory.

[@SebastianSeanCrow]

1:25 I remember this and I remember someone interviewing this guy and he pulled out the typical southern heritage but like you know how many southerners from the deep Deep South I’ve seen condemn that flag? A lot. We all know what it is

[@mangledmetal1]

So, I wanted to kind of speak on the Fiona fursuit (not the other Fiona drama, just the fursuit alone). I’m a woman, and I honestly do not have an issue with Fiona’s suit having such large breasts at all. Generally, I don’t have an issue with suits having breasts or muscles, etc. regardless. At the same time, I do agree with others that the early hours of Anthrocon might have not been the best place for such a suit to be strutting around in some skimpy bikini, considering that Anthrocon is generally a family friendly convention. I saw other photos of Fiona wearing a *somewhat* more modest dress, which I feel was far more appropriate than a bikini for a family convention. At the end of the day though, not my suit, not my choice.

[@sarrakitty]

I like taking this approach to it because it's not like "ew bad I don't like this, ban it" but clearly I think it's better to be considerate about where you wear a suit like that and how you dress it.

[@Techyena]

This ^^^^

[@sven2722]

It's literally meant to be s3xual I don't see how people are defending this. I don't believe how I have to state that such large breasts isn't realistic and is likely a fxtish.

[@mangledmetal1]

@@sven2722 I’m sure it’s sexual in nature, which is why I said I don’t think it’s a good idea for the suit to be prancing around during the daylight hours of a family friendly convention. Still, I don’t have a problem with the suit. I don’t care about what an adult chooses to do in their free time or how they choose to express themselves. I do think there’s a time and place, though, as I said.

[@sven2722]

@@mangledmetal1 There's also kids there just please stop denying that it is s3xual.

[@szczesciar]

I'm both a furry and a minor and I have to say that the Fiona Maray drama was caused rightfully. I wouldn't feel comfortable being even near a fursuit like that, and I never understood the idea of one adding even just big breasts to their fursuit (I'm not saying that all fursuits have to look either masculine or androgynous, but I mean people that make their fursuit look like they're used purely for fetish/sexual reasons because of how big the fursuiter makes them (see: Fiona's character)) or the same for masculine/male fursonas and fursuits. I see it as just cosplaying your character, and if you are going to cosplay it in public you will choose to go with a safe option and not... that. Even when I was making a fursona I wasn't sure how much clothing would be "acceptable" (wanted to go with a hoodie, wasn't sure if shorts/pants would be required since it looked normal without them) but then went with just a very long shirt that covered up the body - and then I see fursonas/fursuits like that and rethink who here is the one with stranger/rarer values of what clothing on a fursona/fursuit is acceptable

[@agudgorl]

The fact that the confederate flag suit is named after my home state deeply offends me.

[@momolovescoffee3820]

The short version of this video : If YOU exist in the furry fandom, then there will be drama/issues! :D

[@JinxedShapeshifter]

Okay, so I'm not a person of color so my opinion probably isn't of use to anyone but dreadlocks have existed for so long, acting like it's exclusive to a specific community is gatekeeping certain other cultures (hippies, for example). White Vikings had them. They originated in Greece, as mentioned in the video. Tuffnut from How To Train Your Dragon has dreadlocks. Like it seriously feels like this is a furry specific issue. I have never seen it literally anywhere else. Dreadlocks existed long before the cultures they're associated with, AND originated in predominately white countries in Europe. I feel like furries just make issues out of everything. Again I'm white as fuck so take this with a grain of salt, but seeing people deny historical context behind things for the sake of accusing other people of bigotry just ain't it chief.

[@lovelylesbian5135]

If you really knew history, you would have known that viking is a job title who were mostly farmers and could have been any race and the *matted strands of hair* (not locs) they did have was only a few on the bottom, near the nape of their neck.

[@JinxedShapeshifter]

@@lovelylesbian5135 I was literally researching dreadlocks while I was writing my original comment lol. Dreadlocks can form from matting. Hell, someone else in this very comment section mentioned that. Either way, my point was that locs are not exclusive to any one culture, both historically and now. Also, Vikings were generally white. I know this because they originated in Scandinavia, which is a very predominantly fair-skinned area of the world. I very much so did my research before posting my original comment lol.

[@sarenswiftfoot9811]

I have a tattoo of a paw print in an ink splat with my fursonas colors on my hip, I put it there because it's supposed to be a cutie mark of my special interests, art and the furry fandom. I was not aware that a paw print on the hip had any meaning, I'd never seen or heard of anyone having a paw print tattoo there so I thought nothing of it. I'm honestly so upset right now, knowing that the tattoo I love and has a lot of meaning for me could be associated with such a horrible thing makes me feel sick, I don't know what to do with this information

[@superbat6965]

He said the unholy s word in the first 2 and a half minutes, he's got my clap and three-quarters for the bravery.

[@SebastianSeanCrow]

9:48 it ended the day I lost my health insurance for becoming the ripe old age of 26

[@Gramfel]

Im trying so hard not to be a know it all, but... thats not the cobfederate flag, its the battle flag of virginia 1:17

[@ginny3098]

Still used by racists

[@thatjokerperson7062]

3:16 "He dIdNt hAvE PeRmIssIoN" like bro... whos he gonna ask permission from?

[@kender121]

7:20 yeah same as vikings never has braided hair or dreads ..... hair is not really about culture you can find any hair style in mostly any culture or its roots, if we go down that mostly all humans came from africa you can water it down just to people wanting to make an argument.

[@irinore]

My guy, your taste in music is excellent

[@AceyBeeArt]

I should know better then to eat breakfast while watching a video like this...

[@SebastianSeanCrow]

11:15 actually yeah like that **IS** a double standard If there’s a problem with the over exaggerated mare then there **SHOULD** be a problem with the over exaggerated male tiger

[@pippingtonne]

protip: if it's a fullsuit and they're wearing a pair of shorts-- and only a pair of shorts-- its probably a murrsuit that doesnt have a hide-away hole

[@ChokyDaWerehusky]

The having similar fursuits thing is really serious. I remember two people having a skull-face-wolf character and one wanted to get a fursuit. The other person found out and threatened to set the person on fire, while wearing a fursuit.

[@marksierra3522]

Holy shit. It's so wild seeing a fb "friend" come up on one of your videos.

[@wubbinz]

i swear to god all furries must be rich old ceo's if they can throw away thousands of dollars on costumes

[@TheDigitalApple]

One fursuit is so controversial you need a wheel to explain it!

[@Fivirex]

Ay, where the werewolve content at?

[@arandomidiot1593]

Saw the thumbnail and I REFLEXIVELY recoiled when I saw that suit. Jeez.

[@sparkyfolf9487]

The cultural appropriation argument is the dumbest argument in my opinion. I'm sure wearing a sertain hairstyle or wearing a sertain outfit is not hurting anyone, but some people out there are offended over people liking other cultures.

[@octaneplusultra9881]

Carpet Sample = SCP change my mind

[@eminempreg]

The whole wolf loc thing seems like a bunch of people just wanting to white knight. Like, I'm a black woman, I will defend black hairstyles to my grave, but some non black person putting locs on their wolf OC isnt affecting anyone. I mean it just shows they like the style, which I'd much rather see than people assuming its inherently dirty or whatever. It's not even like she's using it to denote the character as any racist stereotype like a weed smoking Rastafarian man for example. LIke it's literally just a style the character has..its a wolf, it has no race. Hell, it makes me excited that there is a fursuit maker that knows how to properly replicate that style on a fursuit, cuz I'm sure there's black people out there who'd love to have a suit with hair texture representitive of their own.

[@vintagecivet]

Agreed. Good take.

[@souldoggo]

6:53 I was OG Patch. needed a jumpscare warning on the matthew situation lmao 🤢 when i sold patch to the current owner, dealing with Matthew was genuinely traumatic. dude not only is a big fat scammer but he doesn't respect boundaries. even after informing him i was both uncomfortable and a minor at the time of selling that suit, he continued to sexually harass, flirt, and threaten me with physical violence 😀 what the actual hell is wrong with that guy? i wish i knew. Patch's actual owner is so sweet and i hate that all of that had to happen, they didn't deserve to have to deal w Matthew at all. bro then had the actual audacity to commission a ripoff and continue to lure children into his apartment. gross 💀💀

[@lilmaple072]

The whole similar fursuit thing worries me a bit as someone who's fursona is very basic and simple, like I'm not tryna copy anyone and I don't want to be accused of doing so if I ever commission someone. Like I can entirely describe my fursona in a sentence; Orange and white blue-eyed housecat with glasses, blue jeans and a red sweater with an asexual flag pin. There's likely a lot of similar fursonas out there, I aint copying anyone I just chose a look that speaks to me :/

[@RATTOXIDE]

Completely unrelated to the topic, but loving the usage of Hylics music ✌️✌️

[@m.nic.5080]

The “copying fursonas” thing is such bullshit. I had a character who I was constantly accused of copying from someone else’s OC. Putting aside the fact that my character was neon green and the one I allegedly copied from was red, not to mention mine was a kangaroo and theirs was a fox, and the fact that mine was created in 2011 and the other person’s was created in 2013, they both had big ears and a similar name and the other artist was more popular than me, so therefore I MUST have copied them, according to the fandom. The person they accused me of copying was a shitbag irl too, I didn’t want to be associated with them in any way. After enough of this I sold the suit with character rights. Someone several countries away will have to deal with the copying accusations now lmao.

[@MegaWizarrd]

8:41 Ah a fellow Ultrakill enjoyer

[@sharkmintz]

loving this avatar you're using!!

[@DeDe_JvxJ]

Man been waiting for Benji to watch a video

[@simplenlocal]

i like it how when i stop paying attention to what furries do because im not one, only to get hit with the most super villain type drama i have ever seen

[@crazybobby14]

One thing I don't understand is the bullshit drama with "Cultural Appropriation" like honestly, that mentality by itself is completely racist as hell in my opinion. Its like a person that wants to be completely in Hinduism and wants to have a bindi, but can't because people say that they don't look Indian enough. Oh right, because their skin color should look like tikka masala. Same goes that dreads are only for black people because that is black people stuff. Like what?! Don't they take a moment to listen to themselves? That mentality still baffles me to this day. We should be accepting that we are all different. But instead, almost everyone is saying that we are all the same, while they label everything and deciding what others should be.

[@yeetsus5449]

Hairstyles should not be locked behind gates of "cultural appropriation" , and nobody will tell me otherwise

[@Blumoon09]

Exactly, it's trying to stop racism with racism, which just makes more racism.

[@theMyRadiowasTaken]

​@@Blumoon09u cant be racist against yt ppl lol

[@Blumoon09]

@@theMyRadiowasTaken that makes about as much since as the decision made by EA

[@theMyRadiowasTaken]

@@Blumoon09 what decision

[@Blumoon09]

@@theMyRadiowasTaken all of them

[@garfunny6929]

the Disco Elysium soundtrack is a good touch

[@rien6841]

Carpet Samples is a real life creepypasta

[@MothGuyz-]

Literally

[@usov656]

You know, I'm not a furry, but ever since the times of good old Something Awful raids into fur affinity, DeviantArt and Tumblr profiles, furry drama is easily the most entertaining kind, mostly because 9 outta 10 times nobody has to do anything, it simply manifests on its own, and almost everytime it's a pot meet kettle thing.

[@Katsupazu]

Fun how i'm still mentioned in these dramas even years after i left the fandom😂 kinda sad that this one incident is the only thing my character is remembered by. F for Braxton